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DOWSPLOSION! NEW DOW RECORD 7/12! 27,239.27 +151.19 (0.56%) DOWSPLOSION!

 
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HERE WE GO!

just a few short weeks ago glp said it was the end of america and the dow crash was happening, and here we are now on the verge of yet another record breaking high!

proving once again, glp has the WORST financial advice in the history of the web.


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THANKS TO YOUR FAVORITE MAGA PRESIDENT!

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UPDATE 7/11

26,961.75 +101.55(0.53%)


(The Dow Jones Industrial Average's highest closing record is 26,828.39)

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My team color isn't red or blue. It's GOLD.

Truth is schilling in the empire of retards.

"Yep but for now we dub you toast guy." - AC520845

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Let me know when the climate STOPS changing, then i'll be worried.
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My team color isn't red or blue. It's GOLD.

Truth is schilling in the empire of retards.

"Yep but for now we dub you toast guy." - AC520845

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Let me know when the climate STOPS changing, then i'll be worried.
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when something contracts and expands so violently and uncontrollably it usually means they're dying, in this case not even the computer's algorithms will save it eventually
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when something contracts and expands so violently and uncontrollably it usually means they're dying, in this case not even the computer's algorithms will save it eventually
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it's actually been flowing up and down gently like an ocean.

it's the sound of people, not you, making money.

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My team color isn't red or blue. It's GOLD.

Truth is schilling in the empire of retards.

"Yep but for now we dub you toast guy." - AC520845

*PROCLAIMED PROPHET OF THE DOW* ®

Let me know when the climate STOPS changing, then i'll be worried.
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Carsh! Carsh! Carsh!
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Capitalism is as strong today as never before.
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Carsh! Carsh! Carsh!
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whatever
My team color isn't red or blue. It's GOLD.

Truth is schilling in the empire of retards.

"Yep but for now we dub you toast guy." - AC520845

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Let me know when the climate STOPS changing, then i'll be worried.
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Ppt been working hard to keep a frenzy, apparently tptb not ready for the natural drop.

People are tapped out again on credit, housing market has stalled out. No one wants to buy at the top of the market.

Y guess... 27000 then another slap down to 24000. Then again until the fall where it will stairstep down to the cliff.
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DOW to the Moon!!!

Hope y'all made money when I quoted AMD stock at $18 would go up to $30 within 6 months...

Watch CAT stocks. They were in the low $120's and will rise to $150+ with a trade deal from China...

Here are the Markets:

[link to www.marketwatch.com (secure)]
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Ppt been working hard to keep a frenzy, apparently tptb not ready for the natural drop.

People are tapped out again on credit, housing market has stalled out. No one wants to buy at the top of the market.

Y guess... 27000 then another slap down to 24000. Then again until the fall where it will stairstep down to the cliff.
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speak for yourself.

this is the first time i've been debt free in my life. even paid my car off.

but keep projecting and failing with your ridiculous doom scenarios.

we are going to 30,000

bank of it.

5a
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DOW to the Moon!!!

Hope y'all made money when I quoted AMD stock at $18 would go up to $30 within 6 months...

Watch CAT stocks. They were in the low $120's and will rise to $150+ with a trade deal from China...

Here are the Markets:

[link to www.marketwatch.com (secure)]
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thank you for bringing common sense to the thread amongst the sea of dow doomtards.

peace
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Ppt been working hard to keep a frenzy, apparently tptb not ready for the natural drop.

People are tapped out again on credit, housing market has stalled out. No one wants to buy at the top of the market.

Y guess... 27000 then another slap down to 24000. Then again until the fall where it will stairstep down to the cliff.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 53652834


Doubt that. Fed is being pre-emptive and will not allow a recession on their watch. They will lower interest rates to prop up the market. Markets will rise until 2021...
Then the elections. If a demonrat wins, then the market goes down. If President Trump wins re-election then the market rallies up...
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I think the deficit and the Dow are in tandem of sorts...

1981 deficit 1 trillion, Dow 1000

2019 deficit 22 trillion, Dow 26,000 +/-

It's so exciting for my SJW friends...

Soon we'll all be holding equally worthless dollars created out of nothing...

THE DREAM OF EQUALITY WILL BE ACHIEVED!!!
Proverbs 3:5 Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
6 In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.

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Ppt been working hard to keep a frenzy, apparently tptb not ready for the natural drop.

People are tapped out again on credit, housing market has stalled out. No one wants to buy at the top of the market.

Y guess... 27000 then another slap down to 24000. Then again until the fall where it will stairstep down to the cliff.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 53652834


Doubt that. Fed is being pre-emptive and will not allow a recession on their watch. They will lower interest rates to prop up the market. Markets will rise until 2021...
Then the elections. If a demonrat wins, then the market goes down. If President Trump wins re-election then the market rallies up...
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this dude knows whats up.
My team color isn't red or blue. It's GOLD.

Truth is schilling in the empire of retards.

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I think the deficit and the Dow are in tandem of sorts...

1981 deficit 1 trillion, Dow 1000

2019 deficit 22 trillion, Dow 26,000 +/-

It's so exciting for my SJW friends...

Soon we'll all be holding equally worthless dollars created out of nothing...

THE DREAM OF EQUALITY WILL BE ACHIEVED!!!
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ok dr. paul.

wake me up when your dollar isn't worth anything.
My team color isn't red or blue. It's GOLD.

Truth is schilling in the empire of retards.

"Yep but for now we dub you toast guy." - AC520845

*PROCLAIMED PROPHET OF THE DOW* ®

Let me know when the climate STOPS changing, then i'll be worried.
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I think the deficit and the Dow are in tandem of sorts...

1981 deficit 1 trillion, Dow 1000

2019 deficit 22 trillion, Dow 26,000 +/-

It's so exciting for my SJW friends...

Soon we'll all be holding equally worthless dollars created out of nothing...

THE DREAM OF EQUALITY WILL BE ACHIEVED!!!
 Quoting: ChivalryKnight


ok dr. paul.

wake me up when your dollar isn't worth anything.
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My Morgan (1878-1921) and Peace (1921-1935) Silver Dollars (Lawful Currency) will be worth something.

Paper money after the global reset...anyone's guess.

Same thing for bonds and equity instruments.

They are going to short this market and take their profits and ride it into the ground!
Proverbs 3:5 Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
6 In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.

"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." Jefferson

Laughter is health to the bones so just do it!
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Just to be a good sport for your indulgence... 5* and green out to you bro.
Proverbs 3:5 Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
6 In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.

"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." Jefferson

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I think the deficit and the Dow are in tandem of sorts...

1981 deficit 1 trillion, Dow 1000

2019 deficit 22 trillion, Dow 26,000 +/-

It's so exciting for my SJW friends...

Soon we'll all be holding equally worthless dollars created out of nothing...

THE DREAM OF EQUALITY WILL BE ACHIEVED!!!
 Quoting: ChivalryKnight


ok dr. paul.

wake me up when your dollar isn't worth anything.
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My Morgan (1878-1921) and Peace (1921-1935) Silver Dollars (Lawful Currency) will be worth something.

Paper money after the global reset...anyone's guess.

Same thing for bonds and equity instruments.

They are going to short this market and take their profits and ride it into the ground!
 Quoting: ChivalryKnight


i've literally seen you all say the exact same shit about gold/silver for the last 2 decades.

and what did silver do? went up to like $40, and straight back down to $12.

you don't even see the "buy gold/silver" commercials anymore cause it's not even worth it.

but do what you will. i get your concept, it's just been proven wrong time and time again. you aren't going to be able to barter your gold or silver to any normal person for goods for the foreseeable future, but do your own thang doggie.
My team color isn't red or blue. It's GOLD.

Truth is schilling in the empire of retards.

"Yep but for now we dub you toast guy." - AC520845

*PROCLAIMED PROPHET OF THE DOW* ®

Let me know when the climate STOPS changing, then i'll be worried.
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Russell 1000 has reached all time high. Too bad the dem's didn't invest in January when it was at its lows of 1298. It is now at 1638...

401K's and IRA's/ROTH's to the moon...

21.8% up on my own 401K YTD and that's not including todays rally...
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Just to be a good sport for your indulgence... 5* and green out to you bro.
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back at you for being a good sport
My team color isn't red or blue. It's GOLD.

Truth is schilling in the empire of retards.

"Yep but for now we dub you toast guy." - AC520845

*PROCLAIMED PROPHET OF THE DOW* ®

Let me know when the climate STOPS changing, then i'll be worried.
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HERE WE GO!

just a few short weeks ago glp said it was the end of america and the dow crash was happening, and here we are now on the verge of yet another record breaking high!

proving once again, glp has the WORST financial advice in the history of the web.


keep watch!

current

26,755.84 +251.84 (0.95%)

(The Dow Jones Industrial Average's highest closing record is 26,828.39)

[link to finance.yahoo.com (secure)]
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lol
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HERE WE GO!

just a few short weeks ago glp said it was the end of america and the dow crash was happening, and here we are now on the verge of yet another record breaking high!

proving once again, glp has the WORST financial advice in the history of the web.


keep watch!

current

26,755.84 +251.84 (0.95%)

(The Dow Jones Industrial Average's highest closing record is 26,828.39)

[link to finance.yahoo.com (secure)]
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lol
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its true. it's damn true.

the medical/health advice ain't so great either.

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My team color isn't red or blue. It's GOLD.

Truth is schilling in the empire of retards.

"Yep but for now we dub you toast guy." - AC520845

*PROCLAIMED PROPHET OF THE DOW* ®

Let me know when the climate STOPS changing, then i'll be worried.
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the world going to hell in a hand-basket and the DOW is at +215
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I think the deficit and the Dow are in tandem of sorts...

1981 deficit 1 trillion, Dow 1000

2019 deficit 22 trillion, Dow 26,000 +/-

It's so exciting for my SJW friends...

Soon we'll all be holding equally worthless dollars created out of nothing...

THE DREAM OF EQUALITY WILL BE ACHIEVED!!!
 Quoting: ChivalryKnight


ok dr. paul.

wake me up when your dollar isn't worth anything.
 Quoting: 1-2-Follow


My Morgan (1878-1921) and Peace (1921-1935) Silver Dollars (Lawful Currency) will be worth something.

Paper money after the global reset...anyone's guess.

Same thing for bonds and equity instruments.

They are going to short this market and take their profits and ride it into the ground!
 Quoting: ChivalryKnight


i've literally seen you all say the exact same shit about gold/silver for the last 2 decades.

and what did silver do? went up to like $40, and straight back down to $12.

you don't even see the "buy gold/silver" commercials anymore cause it's not even worth it.

but do what you will. i get your concept, it's just been proven wrong time and time again. you aren't going to be able to barter your gold or silver to any normal person for goods for the foreseeable future, but do your own thang doggie.
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Yep, Gold and Silver is nice but it's so yesterday....

Look at the new LIBRA digital currency that will come out soon. Bitcoin is going up too...
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I think the deficit and the Dow are in tandem of sorts...

1981 deficit 1 trillion, Dow 1000

2019 deficit 22 trillion, Dow 26,000 +/-

It's so exciting for my SJW friends...

Soon we'll all be holding equally worthless dollars created out of nothing...

THE DREAM OF EQUALITY WILL BE ACHIEVED!!!
 Quoting: ChivalryKnight


ok dr. paul.

wake me up when your dollar isn't worth anything.
 Quoting: 1-2-Follow


My Morgan (1878-1921) and Peace (1921-1935) Silver Dollars (Lawful Currency) will be worth something.

Paper money after the global reset...anyone's guess.

Same thing for bonds and equity instruments.

They are going to short this market and take their profits and ride it into the ground!
 Quoting: ChivalryKnight


i've literally seen you all say the exact same shit about gold/silver for the last 2 decades.

and what did silver do? went up to like $40, and straight back down to $12.

you don't even see the "buy gold/silver" commercials anymore cause it's not even worth it.

but do what you will. i get your concept, it's just been proven wrong time and time again. you aren't going to be able to barter your gold or silver to any normal person for goods for the foreseeable future, but do your own thang doggie.
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Ecclesiastes 11:1 Cast thy bread upon the waters: for thou shalt find it after many days. 2 Give a portion to seven, and also to eight; for thou knowest not what evil shall be upon the earth.

(In short layman's terms: DIVERSIFY) Land, metals, animals - cattle, sheep, and live near the Amish and away from the cities when Babylon comes down and the welfare free stuff army goes ape-shit.
Proverbs 3:5 Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
6 In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.

"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." Jefferson

Laughter is health to the bones so just do it!
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ok dr. paul.

wake me up when your dollar isn't worth anything.
 Quoting: 1-2-Follow


My Morgan (1878-1921) and Peace (1921-1935) Silver Dollars (Lawful Currency) will be worth something.

Paper money after the global reset...anyone's guess.

Same thing for bonds and equity instruments.

They are going to short this market and take their profits and ride it into the ground!
 Quoting: ChivalryKnight


i've literally seen you all say the exact same shit about gold/silver for the last 2 decades.

and what did silver do? went up to like $40, and straight back down to $12.

you don't even see the "buy gold/silver" commercials anymore cause it's not even worth it.

but do what you will. i get your concept, it's just been proven wrong time and time again. you aren't going to be able to barter your gold or silver to any normal person for goods for the foreseeable future, but do your own thang doggie.
 Quoting: 1-2-Follow


Yep, Gold and Silver is nice but it's so yesterday....

Look at the new LIBRA digital currency that will come out soon. Bitcoin is going up too...
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the future, conan?

TRUMP-wng1
My team color isn't red or blue. It's GOLD.

Truth is schilling in the empire of retards.

"Yep but for now we dub you toast guy." - AC520845

*PROCLAIMED PROPHET OF THE DOW* ®

Let me know when the climate STOPS changing, then i'll be worried.
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Anything to throw off the smell of tptb stench
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ok dr. paul.

wake me up when your dollar isn't worth anything.
 Quoting: 1-2-Follow


My Morgan (1878-1921) and Peace (1921-1935) Silver Dollars (Lawful Currency) will be worth something.

Paper money after the global reset...anyone's guess.

Same thing for bonds and equity instruments.

They are going to short this market and take their profits and ride it into the ground!
 Quoting: ChivalryKnight


i've literally seen you all say the exact same shit about gold/silver for the last 2 decades.

and what did silver do? went up to like $40, and straight back down to $12.

you don't even see the "buy gold/silver" commercials anymore cause it's not even worth it.

but do what you will. i get your concept, it's just been proven wrong time and time again. you aren't going to be able to barter your gold or silver to any normal person for goods for the foreseeable future, but do your own thang doggie.
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Ecclesiastes 11:1 Cast thy bread upon the waters: for thou shalt find it after many days. 2 Give a portion to seven, and also to eight; for thou knowest not what evil shall be upon the earth.

(In short layman's terms: DIVERSIFY) Land, metals, animals - cattle, sheep, and live near the Amish and away from the cities when Babylon comes down and the welfare free stuff army goes ape-shit.
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i don't live in 2019 the way a 2000 year old fairy tale tells me.
My team color isn't red or blue. It's GOLD.

Truth is schilling in the empire of retards.

"Yep but for now we dub you toast guy." - AC520845

*PROCLAIMED PROPHET OF THE DOW* ®

Let me know when the climate STOPS changing, then i'll be worried.
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The Libra like the Bitcoin alternative currencies are like a Ron Paul campaign... designed to fleece the sheep and get folks excited but they are not truly going anywhere long term.

The BRICS currency block (Brazil, Russia, India, China) is tackling the control of the petro-dollar.

The dizzying numbers on the Dow are a result of hyper inflation and a balloon that needs equity on the other side of the asset ballance sheet to keep the ponzi scheme going for the elites to keep building their bug out bunkers.... just sayin'.....
Proverbs 3:5 Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
6 In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.

"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." Jefferson

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Re: DOWSPLOSION! NEW DOW RECORD 7/12! 27,239.27 +151.19 (0.56%) DOWSPLOSION!
the world going to hell in a hand-basket and the DOW is at +215
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Tptb are tightening their grip around our necks and they throw us a bone to make us quiet - can't let the world see that we don't stand behind any of them.