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Hey Chip, why would you kick a woman when she’s down?
 Quoting: Dame


Honestly.. it's because the many times we all helped her up and gave her advice...she never took it and fell again...and again...and again.

For God's sake her fuckin Go Fund Me drive has a picture of an elderly Aunt on it...why? Is it because it's her best pic...or because...well...it has more sympathetic value?

I know truth never gets along with emotions. Especially when it comes to women. Oh the fuck well.
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You show where >you< helped her up and provided any good advice since you claim such were your actions.


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Hey Miggy why don't you apply at 7-11 they need help NOW. They will hire anyone. You could be working by Friday.
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God will provide.
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No he wont....... Its up to OP....full stop. Her change should come from `within` not from outside.
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I absolutely hate the term “toxic masculinity” telling males by virtue of their being born male that they are to deny themselves any feelings of masculinity for fear of being thought toxic, and telling women to fear men because all males have the propensity to poison you. I mean that’s what toxic means right.

Where’s the toxic feminity? There are many many horrible women that use their feminity to poison others! There are bad men and bad women, but to label and entire gender as toxic is stupid and irresponsible!!!! Boys now a days are told from birth penis bad, penis toxic.

Btw I am female and have lived a long enough life, met enough people to know masculinity is not toxic, my husband is 6’4” of pure Iowa farmboy, masculine to the core and one hot ass mo**** fu*****. For you to say masculinity is toxic is a sign of your jealousy that only soy boys find you attractive. I pity you that you’ve excused your failings by saying masculinity is toxic.
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I absolutely hate the term “toxic masculinity” telling males by virtue of their being born male that they are to deny themselves any feelings of masculinity for fear of being thought toxic, and telling women to fear men because all males have the propensity to poison you. I mean that’s what toxic means right.

Where’s the toxic feminity? There are many many horrible women that use their feminity to poison others! There are bad men and bad women, but to label and entire gender as toxic is stupid and irresponsible!!!! Boys now a days are told from birth penis bad, penis toxic.

Btw I am female and have lived a long enough life, met enough people to know masculinity is not toxic, my husband is 6’4” of pure Iowa farmboy, masculine to the core and one hot ass mo**** fu*****. For you to say masculinity is toxic is a sign of your jealousy that only soy boys find you attractive. I pity you that you’ve excused your failings by saying masculinity is toxic.
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hf Now THIS is a REAL WOMAN!
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Hey Chip, why would you kick a woman when she’s down?
 Quoting: Dame


Honestly.. it's because the many times we all helped her up and gave her advice...she never took it and fell again...and again...and again.

For God's sake her fuckin Go Fund Me drive has a picture of an elderly Aunt on it...why? Is it because it's her best pic...or because...well...it has more sympathetic value?

I know truth never gets along with emotions. Especially when it comes to women. Oh the fuck well.
 Quoting: Chip



Hey man, you have to hand it to her....almost $2,000 in just ONE DAY! And all this despite the many warnings.

Sure beats what the guys on the street corners make with their cardboard signs...
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Honestly.. it's because the many times we all helped her up and gave her advice...she never took it and fell again...and again...and again.

For God's sake her fuckin Go Fund Me drive has a picture of an elderly Aunt on it...why? Is it because it's her best pic...or because...well...it has more sympathetic value?

I know truth never gets along with emotions. Especially when it comes to women. Oh the fuck well.
 Quoting: Chip


That picture was taken last year. I don't allow myself to get photographed often because I know I'm not very pretty. I've probably been photographed 10 times in the past 2 decades.

But last year just before she died, my aunt (who raised us)invited us to her home because she wanted us all to be together one last time before she died of cancer.

I love that photo. It means the world to me. It means even more to me since her husband (my father) died 7 weeks ago.

I have no idea why you are always so hateful to me.

Can you just lay off me, already?

When I finally get back on my feet and am successful once again I imagine you'll still find major flaws with me and point them out as abusively as you have done so for the past 15 years Ive been here.

Do you think I don't realize I have been weak the past several years?

Do you think it doesn't suck to have fallen from a successful life that included wealth to a minimum wage employee who hikes to and from the bus stop every morning?

But I get up every morning and I do it.

Exactly what helpful advice have you given me time and time again?

NONE!

You've just been a bitter, critical mess of a man who, for some reason, hates me.

Well, I'm trying.

Are you up at 3 in the morning working on resumes, taking assessment tests and putting in applications all over your city?

And in an hour I will shower and put on makeup and go catch the first bus of the morning to head out which will take 45 minutes for me to arrive at my first job interview in order to be the first in line.

Please do me a favor and avoid my posts from now on.

You are a cruel man with no sense of compassion or empathy. I hope you never fall the way I did. Don't think it can't happen to you. It can- literally overnight.
 Quoting: Miggy


I have to say Miggy.... you are always a victim in something.... Has anything ever gone right in your life?? It would be refreshing to hear...

Also with a thread like this and you are lets face it...Asking for money... You have to be UP for scrutiny...Wouldnt you agree...??

I have my own personal oppinion o this thread and it wouldnt sit comfortably with many... But I think this thread should herald a change in how GLP views the whole Go fund me thing...
 Quoting: Cynical Realist


Cynical, a couple of pages back I was brutally honest about my life. For 30 years I never considered myself a victim of anything. It was a good life- filled with hard work but also joy and happiness.

I was able to give to others and also to the communities I lived in. I believe I'm close to doing that again.

Things happened.

Yes, go ahead and scrutinize all you like. Chip has done so for 15 years now.

I understand you defending him. I'm just tired of it and wish he'd leave me alone.

If you'd like to hear about all the good things I've experienced in my life I would be happy to share.
 Quoting: Miggy


Wow, you actually admit you've been pulling this same routine for 15 years here? Oh well, they say confession is good for the soul.
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If we are to help people it's by giving them tools (not criticism). Chip's style is abrasive and abusive, a reflection of his own issues.

Here is the chart of relationship spectrum:
[link to www.thehotline.org (secure)]

Building healthy relationships depends on some positive coping skills.
 Quoting: MissCleo


There is a lot of wisdom being shared in this thread. For some reason miggy has brought out some good and some not so good in us.

I do appreciate Chip responding to my post. Most guys wouldn’t respond with a direct answer.

I get weary, especially when it comes down to issues blamed on women. As if men are the only souls without guilt. 1doh1

I remain on team Miggy. You’ve got this Miggy, keep moving forward
 Quoting: Dame


I agree.

Violent words against women is abuse. Toxic masculinity is defined as: domestic violence, using domestic violence to settle issues, boys will be boys excuse, dismissing emotions or emotional outbursts as wrong, treating women as weaker or other objectifying descriptors like fragility.

Toxic masculinity usually is an indication of personality disorders and relates back to unhealthy behavior. There is a cycle of domestic violence that everyone needs to be aware of.

Of course Chip has PTSD from being a cop, that's common. Hope he gets some help. Unfortunate when people have a chip on their shoulder like that the only one who will knock it off is Robert Conrad, and he's dead. (chip on his shoulder, get it, haha).
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Toxic masculinity.... liberal snowflake much? There were no violent words against Miggy!!! He calling out a serial pan handler.
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I have Chip on ignore but I know his type.
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I absolutely hate the term “toxic masculinity” telling males by virtue of their being born male that they are to deny themselves any feelings of masculinity for fear of being thought toxic, and telling women to fear men because all males have the propensity to poison you. I mean that’s what toxic means right.

Where’s the toxic feminity? There are many many horrible women that use their feminity to poison others! There are bad men and bad women, but to label and entire gender as toxic is stupid and irresponsible!!!! Boys now a days are told from birth penis bad, penis toxic.

Btw I am female and have lived a long enough life, met enough people to know masculinity is not toxic, my husband is 6’4” of pure Iowa farmboy, masculine to the core and one hot ass mo**** fu*****. For you to say masculinity is toxic is a sign of your jealousy that only soy boys find you attractive. I pity you that you’ve excused your failings by saying masculinity is toxic.
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hf Now THIS is a REAL WOMAN!
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Men can piss and garage and do all kinds of manly things, so can women, that's not toxic. There is HUMAN BEHAVIOR that is TOXIC. Fact.
[link to www.thehotline.org (secure)]
There are some of the behavior to decide for yourself.
Domestic violence is NOT ok. That includes abusive language and being demeaning to others, there is no need for that, ever.

Men use violence to teach women a lesson. That's NOT ok.
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That picture was taken last year. I don't allow myself to get photographed often because I know I'm not very pretty. I've probably been photographed 10 times in the past 2 decades.

But last year just before she died, my aunt (who raised us)invited us to her home because she wanted us all to be together one last time before she died of cancer.

I love that photo. It means the world to me. It means even more to me since her husband (my father) died 7 weeks ago.

I have no idea why you are always so hateful to me.

Can you just lay off me, already?

When I finally get back on my feet and am successful once again I imagine you'll still find major flaws with me and point them out as abusively as you have done so for the past 15 years Ive been here.

Do you think I don't realize I have been weak the past several years?

Do you think it doesn't suck to have fallen from a successful life that included wealth to a minimum wage employee who hikes to and from the bus stop every morning?

But I get up every morning and I do it.

Exactly what helpful advice have you given me time and time again?

NONE!

You've just been a bitter, critical mess of a man who, for some reason, hates me.

Well, I'm trying.

Are you up at 3 in the morning working on resumes, taking assessment tests and putting in applications all over your city?

And in an hour I will shower and put on makeup and go catch the first bus of the morning to head out which will take 45 minutes for me to arrive at my first job interview in order to be the first in line.

Please do me a favor and avoid my posts from now on.

You are a cruel man with no sense of compassion or empathy. I hope you never fall the way I did. Don't think it can't happen to you. It can- literally overnight.
 Quoting: Miggy


I have to say Miggy.... you are always a victim in something.... Has anything ever gone right in your life?? It would be refreshing to hear...

Also with a thread like this and you are lets face it...Asking for money... You have to be UP for scrutiny...Wouldnt you agree...??

I have my own personal oppinion o this thread and it wouldnt sit comfortably with many... But I think this thread should herald a change in how GLP views the whole Go fund me thing...
 Quoting: Cynical Realist


Cynical, a couple of pages back I was brutally honest about my life. For 30 years I never considered myself a victim of anything. It was a good life- filled with hard work but also joy and happiness.

I was able to give to others and also to the communities I lived in. I believe I'm close to doing that again.

Things happened.

Yes, go ahead and scrutinize all you like. Chip has done so for 15 years now.

I understand you defending him. I'm just tired of it and wish he'd leave me alone.

If you'd like to hear about all the good things I've experienced in my life I would be happy to share.
 Quoting: Miggy


Wow, you actually admit you've been pulling this same routine for 15 years here? Oh well, they say confession is good for the soul.
 Quoting: FeedYourHead


There is a pattern to alcoholism. Yes. And it's a lifelong struggle to beat it. Most people die.

Showing compassion is an art.
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I absolutely hate the term “toxic masculinity” telling males by virtue of their being born male that they are to deny themselves any feelings of masculinity for fear of being thought toxic, and telling women to fear men because all males have the propensity to poison you. I mean that’s what toxic means right.

Where’s the toxic feminity? There are many many horrible women that use their feminity to poison others! There are bad men and bad women, but to label and entire gender as toxic is stupid and irresponsible!!!! Boys now a days are told from birth penis bad, penis toxic.

Btw I am female and have lived a long enough life, met enough people to know masculinity is not toxic, my husband is 6’4” of pure Iowa farmboy, masculine to the core and one hot ass mo**** fu*****. For you to say masculinity is toxic is a sign of your jealousy that only soy boys find you attractive. I pity you that you’ve excused your failings by saying masculinity is toxic.
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hf Now THIS is a REAL WOMAN!
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Men can piss and garage and do all kinds of manly things, so can women, that's not toxic. There is HUMAN BEHAVIOR that is TOXIC. Fact.
[link to www.thehotline.org (secure)]
There are some of the behavior to decide for yourself.
Domestic violence is NOT ok. That includes abusive language and being demeaning to others, there is no need for that, ever.

Men use violence to teach women a lesson. That's NOT ok.
 Quoting: MissCleo

Not all men only SOME men....... This a part of the problem.... We are all lumped together as one.
IF YOU HAVE A FEVER DO NOT LOWER IT WITH MEDS.... A FEVER IS AN IMMUNE SYSTEM RESPONSE TO A PATHOGEN (VIRUS, BACTERIA ETC..) IT MEANS YOUR IMMUNE SYSTEM IS WORKING PROPERLY....DONT USE DRUGS TO LOWER YOUR TEMP.
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I absolutely hate the term “toxic masculinity” telling males by virtue of their being born male that they are to deny themselves any feelings of masculinity for fear of being thought toxic, and telling women to fear men because all males have the propensity to poison you. I mean that’s what toxic means right.

Where’s the toxic feminity? There are many many horrible women that use their feminity to poison others! There are bad men and bad women, but to label and entire gender as toxic is stupid and irresponsible!!!! Boys now a days are told from birth penis bad, penis toxic.

Btw I am female and have lived a long enough life, met enough people to know masculinity is not toxic, my husband is 6’4” of pure Iowa farmboy, masculine to the core and one hot ass mo**** fu*****. For you to say masculinity is toxic is a sign of your jealousy that only soy boys find you attractive. I pity you that you’ve excused your failings by saying masculinity is toxic.
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hf Now THIS is a REAL WOMAN!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74661623


Men can piss and garage and do all kinds of manly things, so can women, that's not toxic. There is HUMAN BEHAVIOR that is TOXIC. Fact.
[link to www.thehotline.org (secure)]
There are some of the behavior to decide for yourself.
Domestic violence is NOT ok. That includes abusive language and being demeaning to others, there is no need for that, ever.

Men use violence to teach women a lesson. That's NOT ok.
 Quoting: MissCleo

Not all men only SOME men....... This a part of the problem.... We are all lumped together as one.
 Quoting: Cynical Realist


There are certain behaviors that ALL humans have. We all have them. It's nothing new. Humans behave. Some do it poorly. How simple is that?

We all have emotions too. We all communicate. Some do those poorly too.

To be better humans we learn to have better behavior, it's more fruitful. That doesn't mean that we don't sin or slip or regress. Thus Jesus. And God is our only judge.

We have 4 choices:
1. remain in the same situation
2. the situation just goes away (rarely).
3. we make positive progress to change the situation
4. we change our behavior completely.
That's it, just 4 options. Simple psychology.

Miggy shows that she moves, a lot. So she's making progress but needs to change completely. She knows this.

I we were to judge everyone on the past 15 years how would that turn out? Most people stay in the same situation.
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I have to say Miggy.... you are always a victim in something.... Has anything ever gone right in your life?? It would be refreshing to hear...

Also with a thread like this and you are lets face it...Asking for money... You have to be UP for scrutiny...Wouldnt you agree...??

I have my own personal oppinion o this thread and it wouldnt sit comfortably with many... But I think this thread should herald a change in how GLP views the whole Go fund me thing...
 Quoting: Cynical Realist


Cynical, a couple of pages back I was brutally honest about my life. For 30 years I never considered myself a victim of anything. It was a good life- filled with hard work but also joy and happiness.

I was able to give to others and also to the communities I lived in. I believe I'm close to doing that again.

Things happened.

Yes, go ahead and scrutinize all you like. Chip has done so for 15 years now.

I understand you defending him. I'm just tired of it and wish he'd leave me alone.

If you'd like to hear about all the good things I've experienced in my life I would be happy to share.
 Quoting: Miggy


Wow, you actually admit you've been pulling this same routine for 15 years here? Oh well, they say confession is good for the soul.
 Quoting: FeedYourHead


There is a pattern to alcoholism. Yes. And it's a lifelong struggle to beat it. Most people die.

Showing compassion is an art.
 Quoting: MissCleo


Showing compassion is not an art, it's a quality and one I wholeheartedly embrace. Being a willing accomplice in ones "addiction", whether with those holding cardboard signs on street corners OR in cyber-world is not a way to show compassion.

I would suggest that is what we are witnessing here but honestly, I think it more sinister.

There is compassion but then there are those who USE that compassion to take money from unsuspecting good folks. My compassion in this instance is for those folks...for you even and it is there even if you don't want it. I keep trying to walk away from this thread but damn it, when I see someone using peoples kind hearts against them it really makes me angry. I know it's really none of my business and you are all grown folks but it still bothers me. Oh well, this sort of thing has gone on since time began and my few words won't stop it. Just know one thing, my motivations are not to be mean, in fact they are the exact opposite.
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All this being said, everyone deserves their bottom. Hitting bottom usually sparks change.
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All this being said, everyone deserves their bottom. Hitting bottom usually sparks change.
 Quoting: MissCleo


True, they do deserve their bottom....problem is, if people keep handing them crutches they never quite reach that bottom.

Editing to add an epiphany moment for myself.... that bottom you speak of has to sometime be reached by those with the giving hearts who allow themselves to be taken advantage of.

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All this being said, everyone deserves their bottom. Hitting bottom usually sparks change.
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True, they do deserve their bottom....problem is, if people keep handing them crutches they never quite reach that bottom.
 Quoting: FeedYourHead


Alcoholism usually results in losing a job, then family, then home... there is a clear pattern, then most of them die. Few of them make it. AA helps. 12 steps is a scheduled program to help people cope with alcoholism. Dependency is a huge habit to break.

Kicking someone when they are down doesn't help them reach bottom quicker. just sayin.
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hf Now THIS is a REAL WOMAN!
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Men can piss and garage and do all kinds of manly things, so can women, that's not toxic. There is HUMAN BEHAVIOR that is TOXIC. Fact.
[link to www.thehotline.org (secure)]
There are some of the behavior to decide for yourself.
Domestic violence is NOT ok. That includes abusive language and being demeaning to others, there is no need for that, ever.

Men use violence to teach women a lesson. That's NOT ok.
 Quoting: MissCleo

Not all men only SOME men....... This a part of the problem.... We are all lumped together as one.
 Quoting: Cynical Realist


There are certain behaviors that ALL humans have. We all have them. It's nothing new. Humans behave. Some do it poorly. How simple is that?

We all have emotions too. We all communicate. Some do those poorly too.

To be better humans we learn to have better behavior, it's more fruitful. That doesn't mean that we don't sin or slip or regress. Thus Jesus. And God is our only judge.

We have 4 choices:
1. remain in the same situation
2. the situation just goes away (rarely).
3. we make positive progress to change the situation
4. we change our behavior completely.
That's it, just 4 options. Simple psychology.

Miggy shows that she moves, a lot. So she's making progress but needs to change completely. She knows this.

I we were to judge everyone on the past 15 years how would that turn out? Most people stay in the same situation.
 Quoting: MissCleo


I understand what you are saying, and whilst I agree there some of the principles you mention..Its not simple Psychology.

ok..

but needs to change completely. She knows this.

WoW... Are you saying that...these types of repeat threads by OP are part of the problem?? If so I would take my hat off to you and totally agree...

These threads have purley and simply shown how toxic a GO fundme has and can become, it always morphs into something toxic.. The real issues are never properly tackled and they fester on...
One poster said... Im in the `Miggy Camp` What does that mean when you break it down..... Conflict, confrontation?? One thing it isnt... its not working on a solution....

So to Keep this on track and not a constant derail... I would hope OP comes back with her vision and possible practice solutions in getting out of this self abuse cycle.
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All this being said, everyone deserves their bottom. Hitting bottom usually sparks change.
 Quoting: MissCleo


True, they do deserve their bottom....problem is, if people keep handing them crutches they never quite reach that bottom.

Editing to add an epiphany moment for myself.... that bottom you speak of has to sometime be reached by those with the giving hearts who allow themselves to be taken advantage of.
 Quoting: FeedYourHead


Bah. Eventually they all hit bottom, whether it's via a slippery slope or a slippery staircase, and all the help in the world (financial, "advice", whatever) won't change a thing. Change comes from within.

And, you are mistaken that people are being taken advantage of. Either Miggy needs help, or she doesn't. And, it's a personal choice to help...or not help. But, judging the circumstances around her needs, based on past situations, doesn't change the needs. Even if it's cyber-panhandling, she has an apparent need.

If I give the homeless guy on the corner a Twenty, I don't do a background check on him. Nor does it stop me from giving him more on other occasions, even though he's been doing it for months, or years. His demons are his own, and even if he uses that 20 to feed his demons, it's not up to me to judge.
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Men can piss and garage and do all kinds of manly things, so can women, that's not toxic. There is HUMAN BEHAVIOR that is TOXIC. Fact.
[link to www.thehotline.org (secure)]
There are some of the behavior to decide for yourself.
Domestic violence is NOT ok. That includes abusive language and being demeaning to others, there is no need for that, ever.

Men use violence to teach women a lesson. That's NOT ok.
 Quoting: MissCleo

Not all men only SOME men....... This a part of the problem.... We are all lumped together as one.
 Quoting: Cynical Realist


There are certain behaviors that ALL humans have. We all have them. It's nothing new. Humans behave. Some do it poorly. How simple is that?

We all have emotions too. We all communicate. Some do those poorly too.

To be better humans we learn to have better behavior, it's more fruitful. That doesn't mean that we don't sin or slip or regress. Thus Jesus. And God is our only judge.

We have 4 choices:
1. remain in the same situation
2. the situation just goes away (rarely).
3. we make positive progress to change the situation
4. we change our behavior completely.
That's it, just 4 options. Simple psychology.

Miggy shows that she moves, a lot. So she's making progress but needs to change completely. She knows this.

I we were to judge everyone on the past 15 years how would that turn out? Most people stay in the same situation.
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I understand what you are saying, and whilst I agree there some of the principles you mention..Its not simple Psychology.

ok..

but needs to change completely. She knows this.

WoW... Are you saying that...these types of repeat threads by OP are part of the problem?? If so I would take my hat off to you and totally agree...

These threads have purley and simply shown how toxic a GO fundme has and can become, it always morphs into something toxic.. The real issues are never properly tackled and they fester on...
One poster said... Im in the `Miggy Camp` What does that mean when you break it down..... Conflict, confrontation?? One thing it isnt... its not working on a solution....

So to Keep this on track and not a constant derail... I would hope OP comes back with her vision and possible practice solutions in getting out of this self abuse cycle.
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There are basic principles of thought.
Problem, reaction, solution. (eat, pray, love) and this is most common. But this principle also creates dependency and lacks creative thinking which we need to actually stop the cycle.

Psychology is very simple, we are human, we only have 72 different behaviors. Not that complex.
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All this being said, everyone deserves their bottom. Hitting bottom usually sparks change.
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True, they do deserve their bottom....problem is, if people keep handing them crutches they never quite reach that bottom.
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Alcoholism usually results in losing a job, then family, then home... there is a clear pattern, then most of them die. Few of them make it. AA helps. 12 steps is a scheduled program to help people cope with alcoholism. Dependency is a huge habit to break.

Kicking someone when they are down doesn't help them reach bottom quicker. just sayin.
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All true but the FIRST STEP in anyone healing as you well know is to first acknowledge they have the problem BUT at least equally important if not more so, that person MUST want help.
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All this being said, everyone deserves their bottom. Hitting bottom usually sparks change.
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True, they do deserve their bottom....problem is, if people keep handing them crutches they never quite reach that bottom.

Editing to add an epiphany moment for myself.... that bottom you speak of has to sometime be reached by those with the giving hearts who allow themselves to be taken advantage of.
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Bah. Eventually they all hit bottom, whether it's via a slippery slope or a slippery staircase, and all the help in the world (financial, "advice", whatever) won't change a thing. Change comes from within.

And, you are mistaken that people are being taken advantage of. Either Miggy needs help, or she doesn't. And, it's a personal choice to help...or not help. But, judging the circumstances around her needs, based on past situations, doesn't change the needs. Even if it's cyber-panhandling, she has an apparent need.

If I give the homeless guy on the corner a Twenty, I don't do a background check on him. Nor does it stop me from giving him more on other occasions, even though he's been doing it for months, or years. His demons are his own, and even if he uses that 20 to feed his demons, it's not up to me to judge.
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Exactly, change comes from within.

It takes more energy to be dependent or mean and hateful than carefree/stressfree by changing the circumstances.
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Honestly.. it's because the many times we all helped her up and gave her advice...she never took it and fell again...and again...and again.

For God's sake her fuckin Go Fund Me drive has a picture of an elderly Aunt on it...why? Is it because it's her best pic...or because...well...it has more sympathetic value?

I know truth never gets along with emotions. Especially when it comes to women. Oh the fuck well.
 Quoting: Chip


I appreciate such a direct answer, thank you.

Women do tend to give in to emotions more than men. It can be a weakness, but it can also be a strength. God’s plan for our lives make a man and a woman the perfect match. Today’s society alienates us from each other.

I can understand your position. Sometimes, enough is enough, even when somebody has hit rock bottom. I responded to her because I too spent 30 years loving the wrong guy. Rebuilding my life wasn’t pretty

Kicking a person when they are down, I am sure nothing good comes from it though

Let’s hope Miggy makes it this time, and never looks back
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If we are to help people it's by giving them tools (not criticism). Chip's style is abrasive and abusive, a reflection of his own issues.

Here is the chart of relationship spectrum:
[link to www.thehotline.org (secure)]

Building healthy relationships depends on some positive coping skills.
 Quoting: MissCleo


Lol. You're a stupid cunt. We all know you hate men. So you're whole point is lost in your desire to eat pussy and flourish in a a giant pool of rubber dicks.

You don't have a clue how "I am". All you know is what I show you.

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Yeah, you and your flying monkeys all know that I hate men. ok.
whatever.

Have a nice day.
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Its all there in front of me..... The reason I love GLP so much...... It never fails....chuckle
IF YOU HAVE A FEVER DO NOT LOWER IT WITH MEDS.... A FEVER IS AN IMMUNE SYSTEM RESPONSE TO A PATHOGEN (VIRUS, BACTERIA ETC..) IT MEANS YOUR IMMUNE SYSTEM IS WORKING PROPERLY....DONT USE DRUGS TO LOWER YOUR TEMP.
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All this being said, everyone deserves their bottom. Hitting bottom usually sparks change.
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True, they do deserve their bottom....problem is, if people keep handing them crutches they never quite reach that bottom.

Editing to add an epiphany moment for myself.... that bottom you speak of has to sometime be reached by those with the giving hearts who allow themselves to be taken advantage of.
 Quoting: FeedYourHead


Bah. Eventually they all hit bottom, whether it's via a slippery slope or a slippery staircase, and all the help in the world (financial, "advice", whatever) won't change a thing. Change comes from within.

And, you are mistaken that people are being taken advantage of. Either Miggy needs help, or she doesn't. And, it's a personal choice to help...or not help. But, judging the circumstances around her needs, based on past situations, doesn't change the needs. Even if it's cyber-panhandling, she has an apparent need.

If I give the homeless guy on the corner a Twenty, I don't do a background check on him. Nor does it stop me from giving him more on other occasions, even though he's been doing it for months, or years. His demons are his own, and even if he uses that 20 to feed his demons, it's not up to me to judge.
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Fine...I have "demons" too...NOW, GIVE ME MONEY!

Thanks!

Seriously, my concerns had nothing to do with a "past". It has to do with the OBVIOUS lies being told but hey, as I said earlier you folks are all grown people, it's not my job to save you from yourselves. You guys have fun and for those who did at least engage in discussing this, thanks.

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All this being said, everyone deserves their bottom. Hitting bottom usually sparks change.
 Quoting: MissCleo


True, they do deserve their bottom....problem is, if people keep handing them crutches they never quite reach that bottom.

Editing to add an epiphany moment for myself.... that bottom you speak of has to sometime be reached by those with the giving hearts who allow themselves to be taken advantage of.
 Quoting: FeedYourHead


Bah. Eventually they all hit bottom, whether it's via a slippery slope or a slippery staircase, and all the help in the world (financial, "advice", whatever) won't change a thing. Change comes from within.

And, you are mistaken that people are being taken advantage of. Either Miggy needs help, or she doesn't. And, it's a personal choice to help...or not help. But, judging the circumstances around her needs, based on past situations, doesn't change the needs. Even if it's cyber-panhandling, she has an apparent need.

If I give the homeless guy on the corner a Twenty, I don't do a background check on him. Nor does it stop me from giving him more on other occasions, even though he's been doing it for months, or years. His demons are his own, and even if he uses that 20 to feed his demons, it's not up to me to judge.
 Quoting: NawtyBits


Fine...I have "demons" too...NOW, GIVE ME MONEY!

Thanks!

Seriously, my concerns had nothing to do with a "past". It has to do with the OBVIOUS lies being told but hey, as I said earlier you folks are all grown people, it's not my job to save you from yourselves so this time instead of just trying to stay out of this thread I'm just going to put the whole thing on my ignore. You guys have fun and for those who did at least engage in discussing this, thanks.
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Trouble is.... EVERYONE ELSE is engaging...... Except OP.
IF YOU HAVE A FEVER DO NOT LOWER IT WITH MEDS.... A FEVER IS AN IMMUNE SYSTEM RESPONSE TO A PATHOGEN (VIRUS, BACTERIA ETC..) IT MEANS YOUR IMMUNE SYSTEM IS WORKING PROPERLY....DONT USE DRUGS TO LOWER YOUR TEMP.
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Its all there in front of me..... The reason I love GLP so much...... It never fails....chuckle
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You are so BAD...now, GIVE ME MONEY damn it! rockon
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True, they do deserve their bottom....problem is, if people keep handing them crutches they never quite reach that bottom.

Editing to add an epiphany moment for myself.... that bottom you speak of has to sometime be reached by those with the giving hearts who allow themselves to be taken advantage of.
 Quoting: FeedYourHead


Bah. Eventually they all hit bottom, whether it's via a slippery slope or a slippery staircase, and all the help in the world (financial, "advice", whatever) won't change a thing. Change comes from within.

And, you are mistaken that people are being taken advantage of. Either Miggy needs help, or she doesn't. And, it's a personal choice to help...or not help. But, judging the circumstances around her needs, based on past situations, doesn't change the needs. Even if it's cyber-panhandling, she has an apparent need.

If I give the homeless guy on the corner a Twenty, I don't do a background check on him. Nor does it stop me from giving him more on other occasions, even though he's been doing it for months, or years. His demons are his own, and even if he uses that 20 to feed his demons, it's not up to me to judge.
 Quoting: NawtyBits


Fine...I have "demons" too...NOW, GIVE ME MONEY!

Thanks!

Seriously, my concerns had nothing to do with a "past". It has to do with the OBVIOUS lies being told but hey, as I said earlier you folks are all grown people, it's not my job to save you from yourselves so this time instead of just trying to stay out of this thread I'm just going to put the whole thing on my ignore. You guys have fun and for those who did at least engage in discussing this, thanks.
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Trouble is.... EVERYONE ELSE is engaging...... Except OP.
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Oh come on man, every actor gets a commercial break between scenes!
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Bah. Eventually they all hit bottom, whether it's via a slippery slope or a slippery staircase, and all the help in the world (financial, "advice", whatever) won't change a thing. Change comes from within.

And, you are mistaken that people are being taken advantage of. Either Miggy needs help, or she doesn't. And, it's a personal choice to help...or not help. But, judging the circumstances around her needs, based on past situations, doesn't change the needs. Even if it's cyber-panhandling, she has an apparent need.

If I give the homeless guy on the corner a Twenty, I don't do a background check on him. Nor does it stop me from giving him more on other occasions, even though he's been doing it for months, or years. His demons are his own, and even if he uses that 20 to feed his demons, it's not up to me to judge.
 Quoting: NawtyBits


Fine...I have "demons" too...NOW, GIVE ME MONEY!

Thanks!

Seriously, my concerns had nothing to do with a "past". It has to do with the OBVIOUS lies being told but hey, as I said earlier you folks are all grown people, it's not my job to save you from yourselves so this time instead of just trying to stay out of this thread I'm just going to put the whole thing on my ignore. You guys have fun and for those who did at least engage in discussing this, thanks.
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Trouble is.... EVERYONE ELSE is engaging...... Except OP.
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Oh come on man, every actor gets a commercial break between scenes!
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...Costume change?? ..perhaps... But the actor will be the same ;-)
IF YOU HAVE A FEVER DO NOT LOWER IT WITH MEDS.... A FEVER IS AN IMMUNE SYSTEM RESPONSE TO A PATHOGEN (VIRUS, BACTERIA ETC..) IT MEANS YOUR IMMUNE SYSTEM IS WORKING PROPERLY....DONT USE DRUGS TO LOWER YOUR TEMP.
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I’ve donated but i would love to see OP get over $2k. She only needs $40 more.





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