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Stock markets breaking record highs, on hope that FED lowers rate.JUST DOES NOT MAKE SENSE!
I recall back in the 70 approx. when the market was booming the FED raised rates to keep things from overheating. Now the prospect of raising rates will kill the markets. Plus that yield curve inversion thingy where rates favor short term and discourage long term is a big RED FLAG!
Keeping all investors in check before they pull the rug out from under you.
Markets will crash when we go to war. There is no doubt that we will, it had been planned a long time ago!
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why not
it's the biggest gambling den in the entire world!
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meanwhile crypto is getting rekt.
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I recall back in the 70 approx. when the market was booming the FED raised rates to keep things from overheating. Now the prospect of raising rates will kill the markets. Plus that yield curve inversion thingy where rates favor short term and discourage long term is a big RED FLAG!
Keeping all investors in check before they pull the rug out from under you.
Markets will crash when we go to war. There is no doubt that we will, it had been planned a long time ago!
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I know right?


biggest pump and dump ever...



got silver?

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meanwhile crypto is getting rekt.
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Apollo is bouncing back. Met the Apollo team when I attended Bitcoin Ben's meetup in Blanco, Texas.
Nice group, researched their coin and found them pretty amazing.
Currently at $0.0021, this is earmarked for a 1000X return in the future. Mcafee is a big fan and supporter.
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They can't raise rates because it would render the US government insolvent.

They are monetizing the US debt directly and indirectly.
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And deutsche Bank is in the red too, right? popcornstoner
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I recall back in the 70 approx. when the market was booming the FED raised rates to keep things from overheating. Now the prospect of raising rates will kill the markets. Plus that yield curve inversion thingy where rates favor short term and discourage long term is a big RED FLAG!
Keeping all investors in check before they pull the rug out from under you.
Markets will crash when we go to war. There is no doubt that we will, it had been planned a long time ago!
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This time the economy is going to crash up, aka HyperInflation!!! Its only a matter of time, I wouldn't be surprised if we see the Dow hit 30k by years end.
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Re: Stock markets breaking record highs, on hope that FED lowers rate.JUST DOES NOT MAKE SENSE!
I recall back in the 70 approx. when the market was booming the FED raised rates to keep things from overheating. Now the prospect of raising rates will kill the markets. Plus that yield curve inversion thingy where rates favor short term and discourage long term is a big RED FLAG!
Keeping all investors in check before they pull the rug out from under you.
Markets will crash when we go to war. There is no doubt that we will, it had been planned a long time ago!
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This time the economy is going to crash up, aka HyperInflation!!! Its only a matter of time, I wouldn't be surprised if we see the Dow hit 30k by years end.
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That is true. Got my American Eagles safely stored. BTW, for those thinking of getting in on the chance of a lifetime and acquiring silver. Stick to American Eagle and or Canadian Maple leaves since they are recognized globally.10oz bars etc.may prove difficult to move.
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I recall back in the 70 approx. when the market was booming the FED raised rates to keep things from overheating. Now the prospect of raising rates will kill the markets. Plus that yield curve inversion thingy where rates favor short term and discourage long term is a big RED FLAG!
Keeping all investors in check before they pull the rug out from under you.
Markets will crash when we go to war. There is no doubt that we will, it had been planned a long time ago!
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This time the economy is going to crash up, aka HyperInflation!!! Its only a matter of time, I wouldn't be surprised if we see the Dow hit 30k by years end.
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There are no signs of Hyperinflation in the market. Inflation rates are hovering around 2%. Even when the rates hit 16%+, during the Jimmy Carter years, was not considered Hyperinflation...

There is no reason to think that an economy growing at 2%-3% can not grow 5%-6%. This will not cause Hyperinflation. The USA saw 5%+ growth during the Reagan Presidency. That was not Hyperinflation. Look at China, they were growing over 6% for years and they were not in Hyperinflation...

The EU and other Countries are lowering their Fund Rates in order to compete with the USA. This is stimulating their markets and not causing hyperinflation...

Lowering the USA's Fed Fund Rate 0.25% will not cause Hyperinflation...
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Re: Stock markets breaking record highs, on hope that FED lowers rate.JUST DOES NOT MAKE SENSE!
I recall back in the 70 approx. when the market was booming the FED raised rates to keep things from overheating. Now the prospect of raising rates will kill the markets. Plus that yield curve inversion thingy where rates favor short term and discourage long term is a big RED FLAG!
Keeping all investors in check before they pull the rug out from under you.
Markets will crash when we go to war. There is no doubt that we will, it had been planned a long time ago!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77695402


This time the economy is going to crash up, aka HyperInflation!!! Its only a matter of time, I wouldn't be surprised if we see the Dow hit 30k by years end.
 Quoting: Atlas Will Shrug 73952609


There are no signs of Hyperinflation in the market. Inflation rates are hovering around 2%. Even when the rates hit 16%+, during the Jimmy Carter years, was not considered Hyperinflation...

There is no reason to think that an economy growing at 2%-3% can not grow 5%-6%. This will not cause Hyperinflation. The USA saw 5%+ growth during the Reagan Presidency. That was not Hyperinflation. Look at China, they were growing over 6% for years and they were not in Hyperinflation...

The EU and other Countries are lowering their Fund Rates in order to compete with the USA. This is stimulating their markets and not causing hyperinflation...

Lowering the USA's Fed Fund Rate 0.25% will not cause Hyperinflation...
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Your inflation is 9.5% by your 1980 metrics and 5.5% by your 1990 metrics.
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Gold Standard on the horizon.
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I recall back in the 70 approx. when the market was booming the FED raised rates to keep things from overheating. Now the prospect of raising rates will kill the markets. Plus that yield curve inversion thingy where rates favor short term and discourage long term is a big RED FLAG!
Keeping all investors in check before they pull the rug out from under you.
Markets will crash when we go to war. There is no doubt that we will, it had been planned a long time ago!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77695402


This time the economy is going to crash up, aka HyperInflation!!! Its only a matter of time, I wouldn't be surprised if we see the Dow hit 30k by years end.
 Quoting: Atlas Will Shrug 73952609


There are no signs of Hyperinflation in the market. Inflation rates are hovering around 2%. Even when the rates hit 16%+, during the Jimmy Carter years, was not considered Hyperinflation...

There is no reason to think that an economy growing at 2%-3% can not grow 5%-6%. This will not cause Hyperinflation. The USA saw 5%+ growth during the Reagan Presidency. That was not Hyperinflation. Look at China, they were growing over 6% for years and they were not in Hyperinflation...

The EU and other Countries are lowering their Fund Rates in order to compete with the USA. This is stimulating their markets and not causing hyperinflation...

Lowering the USA's Fed Fund Rate 0.25% will not cause Hyperinflation...
 Quoting: DuckNCover


Your inflation is 9.5% by your 1980 metrics and 5.5% by your 1990 metrics.
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Not according to this article...

[link to tradingeconomics.com (secure)]


Don't use outdated metrics...

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I recall back in the 70 approx. when the market was booming the FED raised rates to keep things from overheating. Now the prospect of raising rates will kill the markets. Plus that yield curve inversion thingy where rates favor short term and discourage long term is a big RED FLAG!
Keeping all investors in check before they pull the rug out from under you.
Markets will crash when we go to war. There is no doubt that we will, it had been planned a long time ago!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77695402


This time the economy is going to crash up, aka HyperInflation!!! Its only a matter of time, I wouldn't be surprised if we see the Dow hit 30k by years end.
 Quoting: Atlas Will Shrug 73952609


There are no signs of Hyperinflation in the market. Inflation rates are hovering around 2%. Even when the rates hit 16%+, during the Jimmy Carter years, was not considered Hyperinflation...

There is no reason to think that an economy growing at 2%-3% can not grow 5%-6%. This will not cause Hyperinflation. The USA saw 5%+ growth during the Reagan Presidency. That was not Hyperinflation. Look at China, they were growing over 6% for years and they were not in Hyperinflation...

The EU and other Countries are lowering their Fund Rates in order to compete with the USA. This is stimulating their markets and not causing hyperinflation...

Lowering the USA's Fed Fund Rate 0.25% will not cause Hyperinflation...
 Quoting: DuckNCover

You do know that gas and food are not included in the Govts. inflation formula. Also, cheap money does not make a healthy market. The hyper-inflation will come when we go to war.
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I recall back in the 70 approx. when the market was booming the FED raised rates to keep things from overheating. Now the prospect of raising rates will kill the markets. Plus that yield curve inversion thingy where rates favor short term and discourage long term is a big RED FLAG!
Keeping all investors in check before they pull the rug out from under you.
Markets will crash when we go to war. There is no doubt that we will, it had been planned a long time ago!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77695402


This time the economy is going to crash up, aka HyperInflation!!! Its only a matter of time, I wouldn't be surprised if we see the Dow hit 30k by years end.
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There are no signs of Hyperinflation in the market. Inflation rates are hovering around 2%. Even when the rates hit 16%+, during the Jimmy Carter years, was not considered Hyperinflation...

There is no reason to think that an economy growing at 2%-3% can not grow 5%-6%. This will not cause Hyperinflation. The USA saw 5%+ growth during the Reagan Presidency. That was not Hyperinflation. Look at China, they were growing over 6% for years and they were not in Hyperinflation...

The EU and other Countries are lowering their Fund Rates in order to compete with the USA. This is stimulating their markets and not causing hyperinflation...

Lowering the USA's Fed Fund Rate 0.25% will not cause Hyperinflation...
 Quoting: DuckNCover


Your inflation is 9.5% by your 1980 metrics and 5.5% by your 1990 metrics.
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hesright

Did you know that the CPI has been adjusted twice since the 1980's? Why this is important is that they have fundamentally changed how they measure inflation officially in order to better disguise it. The main point is that 80% of what is measured by the CPI is considered to be inelastic, this is a big problem since inelastic demand is never a good measurement of how prices fluctuate.

So how can the average person discover true inflation?? Look at how Real Estate has skyrocketed despite the fact that the overall condition of the housing has either stagnated or degraded. Inflation can also be found in the Higher Education ponzi scheme. Compare the rapid rises in these industries with the relatively modest wage growth (which is also screwed by the fact that the top earners continue to earn more).

It's time for you to wake up, or not. The choice has always been yours to make.

Oh and if you don't believe me, I honestly don't care. Anybody who can critically think can research all of this for themselves and they should. The only way to defeat ignorance is to acquire and apply knowledge.
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its whats called buffer trading. higher it goes, the harde it will hit. they trade up when they expect it go down. then wait for it to bottom out, then buy.

banks call it a pillow fund. trading houses call it a buffer trade, eithe name it means falsely inflating the price due to whats coming
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Anyone who doesn't get tbat the markets have been manipulated since at least 9/11 have not been paying attention.

Big wheels trade on algorithms not real time.
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Just more money in the hands of the richest among us.

This is free money for Wall Street CEOs to boost earnings and increase their year end bonuses.
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This time the economy is going to crash up, aka HyperInflation!!! Its only a matter of time, I wouldn't be surprised if we see the Dow hit 30k by years end.
 Quoting: Atlas Will Shrug 73952609


There are no signs of Hyperinflation in the market. Inflation rates are hovering around 2%. Even when the rates hit 16%+, during the Jimmy Carter years, was not considered Hyperinflation...

There is no reason to think that an economy growing at 2%-3% can not grow 5%-6%. This will not cause Hyperinflation. The USA saw 5%+ growth during the Reagan Presidency. That was not Hyperinflation. Look at China, they were growing over 6% for years and they were not in Hyperinflation...

The EU and other Countries are lowering their Fund Rates in order to compete with the USA. This is stimulating their markets and not causing hyperinflation...

Lowering the USA's Fed Fund Rate 0.25% will not cause Hyperinflation...
 Quoting: DuckNCover


Your inflation is 9.5% by your 1980 metrics and 5.5% by your 1990 metrics.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77371006


hesright

Did you know that the CPI has been adjusted twice since the 1980's? Why this is important is that they have fundamentally changed how they measure inflation officially in order to better disguise it. The main point is that 80% of what is measured by the CPI is considered to be inelastic, this is a big problem since inelastic demand is never a good measurement of how prices fluctuate.

So how can the average person discover true inflation?? Look at how Real Estate has skyrocketed despite the fact that the overall condition of the housing has either stagnated or degraded. Inflation can also be found in the Higher Education ponzi scheme. Compare the rapid rises in these industries with the relatively modest wage growth (which is also screwed by the fact that the top earners continue to earn more).

It's time for you to wake up, or not. The choice has always been yours to make.

Oh and if you don't believe me, I honestly don't care. Anybody who can critically think can research all of this for themselves and they should. The only way to defeat ignorance is to acquire and apply knowledge.
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It's all fucking fake. 95% of the purchasing power of the dollar has been lost since the creation of the (((Federal Reserve))).

CPI is "adjusted", inflation is "adjusted", Dow is "adjusted" = FAKE FUCKING FAKE.

Why is there even a tax system when dollars are literally created out of thin air? Just to take some of the worthless dollars away from the proles to maintain the illusion that we are actually funding the (((GOVT)))???
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This time the economy is going to crash up, aka HyperInflation!!! Its only a matter of time, I wouldn't be surprised if we see the Dow hit 30k by years end.
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There are no signs of Hyperinflation in the market. Inflation rates are hovering around 2%. Even when the rates hit 16%+, during the Jimmy Carter years, was not considered Hyperinflation...

There is no reason to think that an economy growing at 2%-3% can not grow 5%-6%. This will not cause Hyperinflation. The USA saw 5%+ growth during the Reagan Presidency. That was not Hyperinflation. Look at China, they were growing over 6% for years and they were not in Hyperinflation...

The EU and other Countries are lowering their Fund Rates in order to compete with the USA. This is stimulating their markets and not causing hyperinflation...

Lowering the USA's Fed Fund Rate 0.25% will not cause Hyperinflation...
 Quoting: DuckNCover


Your inflation is 9.5% by your 1980 metrics and 5.5% by your 1990 metrics.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77371006


Not according to this article...

[link to tradingeconomics.com (secure)]


Don't use outdated metrics...
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I don't any data from a site whose principal hides behind aliases.5a
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Its called greed, one of the 7 sins. Just par for the course since hope and change.
..too honest with myself for your own good
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I recall back in the 70 approx. when the market was booming the FED raised rates to keep things from overheating. Now the prospect of raising rates will kill the markets. Plus that yield curve inversion thingy where rates favor short term and discourage long term is a big RED FLAG!
Keeping all investors in check before they pull the rug out from under you.
Markets will crash when we go to war. There is no doubt that we will, it had been planned a long time ago!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77695402


This time the economy is going to crash up, aka HyperInflation!!! Its only a matter of time, I wouldn't be surprised if we see the Dow hit 30k by years end.
 Quoting: Atlas Will Shrug 73952609


There are no signs of Hyperinflation in the market. Inflation rates are hovering around 2%. Even when the rates hit 16%+, during the Jimmy Carter years, was not considered Hyperinflation...

There is no reason to think that an economy growing at 2%-3% can not grow 5%-6%. This will not cause Hyperinflation. The USA saw 5%+ growth during the Reagan Presidency. That was not Hyperinflation. Look at China, they were growing over 6% for years and they were not in Hyperinflation...

The EU and other Countries are lowering their Fund Rates in order to compete with the USA. This is stimulating their markets and not causing hyperinflation...

Lowering the USA's Fed Fund Rate 0.25% will not cause Hyperinflation...
 Quoting: DuckNCover


Your inflation is 9.5% by your 1980 metrics and 5.5% by your 1990 metrics.
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Wow. Didn't know real inflation is nearly 10%.
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The fact they cannot raise rates proves the Trump economy is pure grade a bullshit.

A strong economy can withstand rate hikes.
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The fact they cannot raise rates proves the Trump economy is pure grade a bullshit.

A strong economy can withstand rate hikes.
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Hey (((bankster))) we'll start with you then. Give all your shit to the (((govt))) and be a good citizen.
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This time the economy is going to crash up, aka HyperInflation!!! Its only a matter of time, I wouldn't be surprised if we see the Dow hit 30k by years end.
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There are no signs of Hyperinflation in the market. Inflation rates are hovering around 2%. Even when the rates hit 16%+, during the Jimmy Carter years, was not considered Hyperinflation...

There is no reason to think that an economy growing at 2%-3% can not grow 5%-6%. This will not cause Hyperinflation. The USA saw 5%+ growth during the Reagan Presidency. That was not Hyperinflation. Look at China, they were growing over 6% for years and they were not in Hyperinflation...

The EU and other Countries are lowering their Fund Rates in order to compete with the USA. This is stimulating their markets and not causing hyperinflation...

Lowering the USA's Fed Fund Rate 0.25% will not cause Hyperinflation...
 Quoting: DuckNCover


Your inflation is 9.5% by your 1980 metrics and 5.5% by your 1990 metrics.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77371006


Not according to this article...

[link to tradingeconomics.com (secure)]


Don't use outdated metrics...
 Quoting: DuckNCover

Then don't compare inflation in the 80's to inflation now. Apples, oranges based on vastly different metrics....
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my prognostication. yah, it doesn't mean anything now, but it will.

The ceiling is 28,200. Then it crashes slowly at first and within 6 months after it begins it will be down 50%.

Watch Japan. They start the decline.

not uncle intel or anything like that. It's just looking at too many graphs, reading too many reports, and comparing too man notes of visionaries. A mix of all, equally weighted.
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There are no signs of Hyperinflation in the market. Inflation rates are hovering around 2%. Even when the rates hit 16%+, during the Jimmy Carter years, was not considered Hyperinflation...

There is no reason to think that an economy growing at 2%-3% can not grow 5%-6%. This will not cause Hyperinflation. The USA saw 5%+ growth during the Reagan Presidency. That was not Hyperinflation. Look at China, they were growing over 6% for years and they were not in Hyperinflation...

The EU and other Countries are lowering their Fund Rates in order to compete with the USA. This is stimulating their markets and not causing hyperinflation...

Lowering the USA's Fed Fund Rate 0.25% will not cause Hyperinflation...
 Quoting: DuckNCover


Your inflation is 9.5% by your 1980 metrics and 5.5% by your 1990 metrics.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77371006


Not according to this article...

[link to tradingeconomics.com (secure)]


Don't use outdated metrics...
 Quoting: DuckNCover

Then don't compare inflation in the 80's to inflation now. Apples, oranges based on vastly different metrics....
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Americans could actually earn good returns on deposits back then.
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Re: Stock markets breaking record highs, on hope that FED lowers rate.JUST DOES NOT MAKE SENSE!
Well the trend from 1982 until now or 37 years was buy bonds like mad.

The reverse of the trend from 1945 until 1982, or 37 years, was sell bonds like mad.

In the above you can see the red dots?

The red lines are recessions.

Yield rates rise up and then there are recessions that follow.

Why do yield rates rise?

When there are more sellers than buyers of bonds the price to buy bonds collapses while the yields rise.

See that long period of time where yield rates went sideways from 2009 to 2015?

The zero barrier.

If it were possible for yield rates to drop below that line...They would have...Until they reached the maximum potential and then popped back up again.

Why didn't they drop below the zero line?

Lets say you go to work and after a 40 hour work week your employer demands you pay them 100 dollars.

That is what negative rates of return are.

Your employer invests 100 dollars into you.

You work and the return on that investment of 100 dollars is -100 dollars.

The FED does not set Interest rates.

Never did, Do not now, and never will.

Just like people do not actually pull rabbits out of hats or saw girls in half.

The net producers in the system are the supply of yield while the net consumers in the system are the demand for yield.

When the demand by the consumers becomes greater than the producers supply...The FED is forced to lower yield rates.

Well actually the consumers of yield are forced to do with less than they demand.

But why do yield rates rise then?

Exhaustion.

Money flowing into the bond markets begins to dry up.

Actually new credit creation begins to slow down.

This cuts off the supply of circulating credit flowing through the bond markets which turns the more buyers than sellers situation into the more sellers than buyers situation.

In that situation the price of bonds decrease while the yields increase.

The FED of course proffers excuses as to why they are then forced to raise rates.

They sell lies that you all trample over each other to buy.

From 1945 to 1982...Yield rates kept rising higher and higher from out of the Great depression/bankruptcy reorganization of the global trade system where yield rates collapsed into.

That is where we are headed.

Yield rates rising higher and higher....Higher highs and higher lows.

15 Dollar minimum wage?

Heard about that over the years?

Designed to force this inflation.

What is the purpose of the Carbon taxes?

How about the tariffs?

Well all these increases you all are crying about cause or demand prices to rise.

Higher prices force people to request more money from banks when they ask for loans.

I could go into long detailed descriptions...

But I will just fast forward to the key problem.

The labor component of this scheme.

I just do not think it exists.

Think of the work ethic around 1945 and the work ethic now.

37 years up followed by 37 years down.

That is 74 years.

The last 37 years you all have been growing weaker and weaker due to the globalization effect where you can live off the yield derived from labor in other parts of the planet.

That has reached maximum potential.

The ability to engineer rates lower and lower like what has been going on for the past 37 years is basically over.

At my location the revenue stream stopped 2014 to 2015....Hey right around where yield rates began to rise.

I thought that there would have to be government wage freezes at least.

Nope...

Everyone not directly impacted just continued on as though there was no problem.

Now all the budgets are being blown out.

Minor adjustments that could have been made in the past but were not lead to major corrections that will need to be made in the future.
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Re: Stock markets breaking record highs, on hope that FED lowers rate.JUST DOES NOT MAKE SENSE!
my prognostication. yah, it doesn't mean anything now, but it will.

The ceiling is 28,200. Then it crashes slowly at first and within 6 months after it begins it will be down 50%.

Watch Japan. They start the decline.

not uncle intel or anything like that. It's just looking at too many graphs, reading too many reports, and comparing too man notes of visionaries. A mix of all, equally weighted.
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Japan is a pure ethnic monoculture they have much more elasticity in reaction to trying circumstance. America is now less white than Uruguay.
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Re: Stock markets breaking record highs, on hope that FED lowers rate.JUST DOES NOT MAKE SENSE!
I recall back in the 70 approx. when the market was booming the FED raised rates to keep things from overheating. Now the prospect of raising rates will kill the markets. Plus that yield curve inversion thingy where rates favor short term and discourage long term is a big RED FLAG!
Keeping all investors in check before they pull the rug out from under you.
Markets will crash when we go to war. There is no doubt that we will, it had been planned a long time ago!
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Dipshits. Just because the stock market is good and billionaires are making money doesn't mean the economy is good for the other 99% of Americans.

Of course the stock market is breaking records making billionaires richer. It was the plan of Trump and his buddies all along to artificially stimulate the stock market so billionaires could inside trade and make themselves even richer and then when the steroids wear off they will pull out and leave the working man with the incredible debt thus completely destroying the middle class.

In the REAL ECONOMY that 99% of us are subject to... inflation is out of control, rent prices are skyrocketing, fresh produce and meat is going our of control, farmers are struggling so bad that half of them didn't even plant crops this year, anything imported is about to be taxed into oblivion, anything exported is being boycotted, price of metals are sharply increasing and the tRump/Putin administration is catering to Russian foreign powers to allow them to set up their shops all over America and corner certain markets.

The truth is the average American is feeling like we are already in a recession and headed straight for a big time depression worse then the 1920's

And just as the economy begins to show signs of collapsing from all the weight of tRumps's personal interests and reckless policies designed to fuck over the average American, the coward will be leaving office then blaming the collapse on Democrats and his uneducated brainwashed followers will mindlessly repeat his fake news propaganda instead of owning the truth that it was their ignorance of economics and support of bigotry, racism and hate that brought this about.

Russia will then basically own the U.S. and tRump supporters who claim to be "All America" will be bowing down to Putin as they have already started to do.

I miss the good old days when people believed what they heard and seen with their own eyes and ears instead of dismissing reality for the obvious fabricated narratives and flat out lies of a billionaire conman who inherited his fortune from daddy, lost it multiple times, got bailed out by TPTB multiple times, and who M.O. is to fuck over the little guy to get richer and then falsely claim he is fighting the establishment when he clearly IS the establishment to anyone with a half a brain.

tRump supporters will go down in history as the most UN-AMERICAN people to ever live in this great country.
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Re: Stock markets breaking record highs, on hope that FED lowers rate.JUST DOES NOT MAKE SENSE!
But but the economy is strong but but but wtf why a rate cut? but but but dadadadaa w0000hooo freakout!!!