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Be Nicer to BUGS: Insects feel chronic pain after injury

 
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Associate Professor Greg Neely and his team of pain researchers in the Charles Perkins Centre have found compelling evidence that insects feel persistent pain after injury.

Scientists have known insects experience something like pain since 2003, but new research published today from Associate Professor Greg Neely and colleagues at the University of Sydney proves for the first time that insects also experience chronic pain that lasts long after an initial injury has healed.

The study in the peer-reviewed journal Science Advances offers the first genetic evidence of what causes chronic pain in Drosophila (fruit flies) and there is good evidence that similar changes also drive chronic pain in humans. Ongoing research into these mechanisms could lead to the development of treatments that, for the first time, target the cause and not just the symptoms of chronic pain.
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I killed a spider in my bathtub yesterday. I didn’t want it to bathe with me.
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my parents always said bugs cant feel pain


I guess they were wrong.
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What is REALLY odd to me....

Is that deep down...I think I all ready knew.
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Mirror test
A baboon looking in a mirror

The mirror test – sometimes called the mark test, mirror self-recognition test (MSR), red spot technique, or rouge test – is a behavioural technique developed in 1970 by psychologist Gordon Gallup Jr. as an attempt to determine whether an animal possesses the ability of visual self-recognition.[1] The MSR test is the traditional method for attempting to measure self-awareness. However, there has been agreement that animals can be self-aware in ways not measured by the mirror test, such as distinguishing between their own and others' songs and scents.[2] On the other hand, animals that can pass the MSR do not necessarily have self-awareness.[3]

In the classic MSR test, an animal is anaesthetised and then marked (e.g., painted, or a sticker attached) on an area of the body the animal cannot normally see. When the animal recovers from the anesthetic, it is given access to a mirror. If the animal then touches or investigates the mark, it is taken as an indication that the animal perceives the reflected image as itself, rather than of another animal.


ANTS passed the mirror test

meaning they recognized themselves.

[link to www.animalcognition.org]

Ants

In 2015, scientists published research11 that suggests some ants can recognize themselves when looking in a mirror. When viewing other ants through glass, ants didn’t divert from their normal behaviors.

However, their behavior did change when they were put in front of a mirror. The ants would move slowly, turn their heads back and forth, shake their antennae, and touch the mirror. They’d retreat and re-approach the mirror. Sometimes they would groom themselves.


ANTS are SELF AWARE
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I propose this


at one time BUGS were the dominant species on earth

they evolved and are now space fairing too

(mantis)

the rest that remained here are MUCH smarter than we know

and have learned to live with the earth in perfect balance and harmony


imagine a REAL "BUGS LIFE"
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I'll make sure to stomp the cockroaches twice from now on, then.

Happy?
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TRUE STORY


on one of my ABDUCTIONS

(yes you heard me right)((details added upon request))

2greys took me into a room

and there was a giant MANTIS

no joke

they told me he wanted to meet me personally.

As I approached...the MANTIS began to twitch excitedly
...

I got a little nervous.
The greys reassured me

and told me he just wanted to touch me

So....(NO joke)...as I walked up to him....he stuck out one claw

just thrust it out like he wanted to shake hands

so I touched it with my open palm.

Next thing I know....my brain is flooded with imagery of these mantis bugs
crawling all over each other in tunnels on another planet.

He told me that's how they communicate

by TOUCH.

100% serious
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TRUE STORY


on one of my ABDUCTIONS

(yes you heard me right)((details added upon request))

2greys took me into a room

and there was a giant MANTIS

no joke

they told me he wanted to meet me personally.

As I approached...the MANTIS began to twitch excitedly
...

I got a little nervous.
The greys reassured me

and told me he just wanted to touch me

So....(NO joke)...as I walked up to him....he stuck out one claw

just thrust it out like he wanted to shake hands

so I touched it with my open palm.

Next thing I know....my brain is flooded with imagery of these mantis bugs
crawling all over each other in tunnels on another planet.

He told me that's how they communicate

by TOUCH.

100% serious
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77215693


Well, they can't hear anything except ultrasonics with their one ear... Basically so they could hear bat echolocation signals and hide.

I raised (~150) mantis nymphs hatched from a pregnant female years ago. Coolest pet ever. They were like little excited puppy dogs running to see me when I would enter the room... They would tap on the glass to basically ask to be held, and would literally just sit on a shoulder and watch TV for hours in awe...

baby-mantis

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TRUE STORY


on one of my ABDUCTIONS

(yes you heard me right)((details added upon request))

2greys took me into a room

and there was a giant MANTIS

no joke

they told me he wanted to meet me personally.

As I approached...the MANTIS began to twitch excitedly
...

I got a little nervous.
The greys reassured me

and told me he just wanted to touch me

So....(NO joke)...as I walked up to him....he stuck out one claw

just thrust it out like he wanted to shake hands

so I touched it with my open palm.

Next thing I know....my brain is flooded with imagery of these mantis bugs
crawling all over each other in tunnels on another planet.

He told me that's how they communicate

by TOUCH.

100% serious
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77215693


Well, they can't hear anything except ultrasonics with their one ear... Basically so they could hear bat echolocation signals and hide.

I raised (~150) mantis nymphs hatched from a pregnant female years ago. Coolest pet ever. They were like little excited puppy dogs running to see me when I would enter the room... They would tap on the glass to basically ask to be held, and would literally just sit on a shoulder and watch TV for hours in awe...

:baby-mantis:
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is it really that much of a stretch to think they could hiding intelligence?
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ever see bees vs wasps?

its brutal

and surprisingly....human


the wasps go for the babies

the bees give their lives defending

down to the very last bee.
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I'd never just injure an insect. Like Soros, I bought and deployed an army of nematodes to go out, infiltrate from the inside, kill and move on. Mosquitos and Roaches, on the other hand, don't get much sympathy. They have plenty of other things to bother besides me and risk their fate, usually winning hands down. Still, one fights on.

Then where's your compassion? Their lifespans are short. One's sitting there next to you, a wasp is stumbling about, a stinkbug is slowly turning over to die on its back, the worm or poisonous hard-shelled thing you accidentally cut in half. Bugs are amazing and they all need to be there and I wish it weren't so, the whelps from no-see-um bites, I mean. They can run 2" long on me, no kidding. Fun to watch the poison take hold, then ebb. It's painful yet instantly recoverable. NOW.

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I'd never just injure an insect. Like Soros, I bought and deployed an army of nematodes to go out, infiltrate from the inside, kill and move on. Mosquitos and Roaches, on the other hand, don't get much sympathy. They have plenty of other things to bother besides me and risk their fate, usually winning hands down. Still, one fights on.

Then where's your compassion? Their lifespans are short. One's sitting there next to you, a wasp is stumbling about, a stinkbug is slowly turning over to die on its back, the worm or poisonous hard-shelled thing you accidentally cut in half. Bugs are amazing and they all need to be there and I wish it weren't so.
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I agree


Proverbs 6:6
Go to the ant, thou sluggard; consider her ways, and be wise:
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ANTS are SELF AWARE
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But are they up to making improvised explosive devices with doorbells?
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TRUE STORY


on one of my ABDUCTIONS

(yes you heard me right)((details added upon request))

2greys took me into a room

and there was a giant MANTIS

no joke

they told me he wanted to meet me personally.

As I approached...the MANTIS began to twitch excitedly
...

I got a little nervous.
The greys reassured me

and told me he just wanted to touch me

So....(NO joke)...as I walked up to him....he stuck out one claw

just thrust it out like he wanted to shake hands

so I touched it with my open palm.

Next thing I know....my brain is flooded with imagery of these mantis bugs
crawling all over each other in tunnels on another planet.

He told me that's how they communicate

by TOUCH.

100% serious
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77215693


Well, they can't hear anything except ultrasonics with their one ear... Basically so they could hear bat echolocation signals and hide.

I raised (~150) mantis nymphs hatched from a pregnant female years ago. Coolest pet ever. They were like little excited puppy dogs running to see me when I would enter the room... They would tap on the glass to basically ask to be held, and would literally just sit on a shoulder and watch TV for hours in awe...

baby-mantis
 Quoting: AkashicRecord®


is it really that much of a stretch to think they could hiding intelligence?
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Oh, they don't hide it at all. They are very smart and inquisitive. You can watch and see what they are looking at and focusing on. If you observe them over many months, there's zero doubt whatsoever.

They seem to have an excellent memory capacity. Upon finding a tiny hole in which to escape, it only took one time for them (as babies) to immediately run back to the exit when placed back into confinement in a different area.

Approaching them while holding something unfamiliar showed complex discernment and reasoning traits, the mantis was able to realize a demarcation between myself and the foreign object. Something unintelligent wouldn't be able to discern between the separateness of objects, etc. in that way...

Oh, and they also love watermelon...as weird as that is. They never eat anything but bugs, but watermelon chunks are an interesting and unexpected treat. (When I ran out of wingless fruit flies in,the winter, they ate raw beef in a pinch...)

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Mirror test
A baboon looking in a mirror

The mirror test – sometimes called the mark test, mirror self-recognition test (MSR), red spot technique, or rouge test – is a behavioural technique developed in 1970 by psychologist Gordon Gallup Jr. as an attempt to determine whether an animal possesses the ability of visual self-recognition.[1] The MSR test is the traditional method for attempting to measure self-awareness. However, there has been agreement that animals can be self-aware in ways not measured by the mirror test, such as distinguishing between their own and others' songs and scents.[2] On the other hand, animals that can pass the MSR do not necessarily have self-awareness.[3]

In the classic MSR test, an animal is anaesthetised and then marked (e.g., painted, or a sticker attached) on an area of the body the animal cannot normally see. When the animal recovers from the anesthetic, it is given access to a mirror. If the animal then touches or investigates the mark, it is taken as an indication that the animal perceives the reflected image as itself, rather than of another animal.


ANTS passed the mirror test

meaning they recognized themselves.

[link to www.animalcognition.org]

Ants

In 2015, scientists published research11 that suggests some ants can recognize themselves when looking in a mirror. When viewing other ants through glass, ants didn’t divert from their normal behaviors.

However, their behavior did change when they were put in front of a mirror. The ants would move slowly, turn their heads back and forth, shake their antennae, and touch the mirror. They’d retreat and re-approach the mirror. Sometimes they would groom themselves.


ANTS are SELF AWARE
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Nice "code" lol
G-d's Light is impenetrable armor to real BUGS <mirror>.
Squashing ignorance is as easy as enlightening yourself to the truth and then saying "NO".

The Light of Lights is darkness transmuted.

Namaste
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Proverbs 6:6
Go to the ant, thou sluggard; consider her ways, and be wise:
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If you want to be so much like an insect then dying and letting the current ones take over would be much more efficient than trying to...dare I say it...ape their behavior.
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on one of my ABDUCTIONS

(yes you heard me right)((details added upon request))

2greys took me into a room

and there was a giant MANTIS

no joke

they told me he wanted to meet me personally.

As I approached...the MANTIS began to twitch excitedly
...

I got a little nervous.
The greys reassured me

and told me he just wanted to touch me

So....(NO joke)...as I walked up to him....he stuck out one claw

just thrust it out like he wanted to shake hands

so I touched it with my open palm.

Next thing I know....my brain is flooded with imagery of these mantis bugs
crawling all over each other in tunnels on another planet.

He told me that's how they communicate

by TOUCH.

100% serious
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77215693


Well, they can't hear anything except ultrasonics with their one ear... Basically so they could hear bat echolocation signals and hide.

I raised (~150) mantis nymphs hatched from a pregnant female years ago. Coolest pet ever. They were like little excited puppy dogs running to see me when I would enter the room... They would tap on the glass to basically ask to be held, and would literally just sit on a shoulder and watch TV for hours in awe...

:baby-mantis:
 Quoting: AkashicRecord®


Awwwww
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Bugs feel pain but a fetus doesn't???
If I am going to be damned...I am going to be damned for who I really am!
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Bugs feel pain but a fetus doesn't???
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Feti feel lots of pain. Have you seen an abortion take place?
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God has a sense of humor.
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Tell them to stop invading my space and I will stop crushing them. Evil bastards.
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Tell them to stop invading my space and I will stop crushing them. Evil bastards.
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Bugs were here long before you were, bucko.
"We're not scaremongering, this is really happening." - Thom Yorke

"We are accidents waiting to happen." - Thom Yorke

"We are the Universe figuring itself out." - Me

"At this point the same could be said of our ability to put humans in space at all. We destroyed the technology about 6 years ago, so now we (as in the United States) no longer have the ability to put any humans in space. There are no working space shuttles, there is no working infrastructure with a functional vehicle capable of putting humans in space. Companies including SpaceX and Boeing are trying to restore that capability by inventing new technologies that are hopefully easier to reuse, but at the moment the United States is grounded and has been for 6 years now."

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What is REALLY odd to me....

Is that deep down...I think I all ready knew.
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I'm convinced they do feel a kind of fear as well.

I don't know if they know they are about to die, but there is some brain signal telling them to run as fast as their little legs can run.

That's why I try to trap and release.

Except ants. Those little bastards just keep coming no matter how clean my place is.
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What is REALLY odd to me....

Is that deep down...I think I all ready knew.
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I'm convinced they do feel a kind of fear as well.

I don't know if they know they are about to die, but there is some brain signal telling them to run as fast as their little legs can run.

That's why I try to trap and release.

Except ants. Those little bastards just keep coming no matter how clean my place is.
 Quoting: Cat in the Tin Foil Hat


Yes, they experience fear and the typical fight-and-flight behaviors associated. Why else would a cockroach run away from you? (There are exceptions, though.)
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I remeber once I had posted the "bug" image on a thread from my cellphone:

bug

...so I showed it to the mantis and let her crawl on the screen. She tried to attack and catch it! After a few tries she gave up, so I tested this again with YouTube videos of other mantis and bug videos. It was rather fun.

:)
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I imagine that lower life forms have a soul trapped in that body. The faster I kill it, the faster it is released to the next higher plain of consciousness. That and I just really hate roaches man....they skeeve me out like nothing else!!!


xxxcite
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The rules are, when you smash a bug make damn good and sure it got hit by a tank. NO CHRONIC PAIN, or any pain at all, follows.
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I exterminate bout 900 black flies every day from the garden
sub veste, invenimus in homine. Sub hominem, invenimus ejus nucleus.
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I'll make sure to stomp the cockroaches twice from now on, then.

Happy?
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Stomp then twist .
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i try to release them if i can, or kill quickly.

bugs have much higher intelligence than 'smart' humans realize.

just watch them a bit, and they do all the things a scared human would do.