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Who will be “caught away in clouds to meet the Lord in the air,” and how does this happen?

 
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From Augustine to Barth, no church father, doctor, theologian, pope, or biblical scholar, new or old, with any esteem, has ever argued for the rapture. Up until the 1830’s, when a man named John Darby invented the idea of the rapture, this doctrine did not exist anywhere in the teachings of the church.

That’s really important. The rapture did not exist until the 19th century. In other words, for 90% of church history NO ONE believed in the rapture.

Seriously… no one!
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This is untrue. It is true of a pre-Trib rapture, but not true of one at all.

Besides, it is clearly in scripture. When understood properly, and not thought of in terms of things like ‘left behind’ it can be seen in the bible.
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07/19/2019 01:22 PM
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Since the Bible wasn’t written yet when Paul said those words , he was predicting that the Spirit of Jesus would cause the Holy Bible to be written where we have met the Lord in the spiritual air and are forever with the Lord.
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Since the Bible wasn’t written yet when Paul said those words , he was predicting that the Spirit of Jesus would cause the Holy Bible to be written where we have met the Lord in the spiritual air and are forever with the Lord.
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Yeah, that’s lovely EXCEPT Paul only adds to what Jesus already said about his return in the gospels.
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Jesus is with us now with the Holy Bible.
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To ascend is to be at rest.
Just winging it.
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If only 144,000 JWs are saved, and God preordained this, then how come it’s ‘God’s will that none should perish’?
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If those saved is a fix number who's this?
"After this I saw, and look! a great crowd, which no man was able to number, out of all nations and tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, dressed in white robes; and there were palm branches in their hands. And they keep shouting with a loud voice, saying: “Salvation we owe to our God, who is seated on the throne, and to the Lamb.”

,,,,,,,,the angels were standing around the throne and the elders and the four living creatures, and they fell facedown before the throne and worshipped God, 12 saying: “Amen! Let the praise and the glory and the wisdom and the thanksgiving and the honor and the power and the strength be to our God forever and ever. Amen.”
13 In response one of the elders said to me: “These who are dressed in the white robes, who are they and where did they come from?”So right away I said to him: “My lord, you are the one who knows.” And he said to me: “These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. That is why they are before the throne of God, and they are rendering him sacred service day and night in his temple; and the One seated on the throne will spread his tent over them. They will hunger no more nor thirst anymore, neither will the sun beat down on them nor any scorching heat, 17 because the Lamb, who is in the midst of the throne, will shepherd them and will guide them to springs of waters of life. And God will wipe out every tear from their eyes" rv7:9

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Not a single goddamned Jehovah’s Witness will be “caught up”

I can assure you of that
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07/19/2019 05:19 PM
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Christ is coming again soon, you are a living soul. The choice is eternal life or eternal death.
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Drink your Kool Aid and go be with Jeebus...I am so happy I woke up and became Heathen Odinist. Hail the Gods and Goddesses of the Aryan Folk!
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Not a single goddamned Jehovah’s Witness will be “caught up”

I can assure you of that
 Quoting: James Michael Martin 38249617


You should not take the place of the eternal judge, for you are a simple human being like me. Christ is the one who decides who is saved. So you can assure no one of anything.
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Not a single goddamned Jehovah’s Witness will be “caught up”

I can assure you of that
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Not a single goddamned any of you will be "caught up"... you are all delusional.
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Not a single goddamned Jehovah’s Witness will be “caught up”

I can assure you of that
 Quoting: James Michael Martin 38249617


Not a single goddamned any of you will be "caught up"... you are all delusional.
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You will have a big surprise.
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The unsaved will not be going to a large fire and burning and be tortured forever, the Bible teaches that they will be dead for eternity. So wherever you were when Moses was leading the Israelites out of Egypt it is the same place you will be for eternity if you are not accepted by Christ.
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Drink your Kool Aid and go be with Jeebus...I am so happy I woke up and became Heathen Odinist. Hail the Gods and Goddesses of the Aryan Folk!
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What is their solution?
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Re: Who will be “caught away in clouds to meet the Lord in the air,” and how does this happen?
Not a single goddamned Jehovah’s Witness will be “caught up”

I can assure you of that
 Quoting: James Michael Martin 38249617


You should not take the place of the eternal judge, for you are a simple human being like me. Christ is the one who decides who is saved. So you can assure no one of anything.
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He's actually right, no 'damned' person is going to heaven.
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Re: Who will be “caught away in clouds to meet the Lord in the air,” and how does this happen?
Not a single goddamned Jehovah’s Witness will be “caught up”

I can assure you of that
 Quoting: James Michael Martin 38249617


You should not take the place of the eternal judge, for you are a simple human being like me. Christ is the one who decides who is saved. So you can assure no one of anything.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77779303


He's actually right, no 'damned' person is going to heaven.
 Quoting: DGN


Jesus is the judge, the result is eternal life or eternal death.
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Re: Who will be “caught away in clouds to meet the Lord in the air,” and how does this happen?
Not a single goddamned Jehovah’s Witness will be “caught up”

I can assure you of that
 Quoting: James Michael Martin 38249617


You should not take the place of the eternal judge, for you are a simple human being like me. Christ is the one who decides who is saved. So you can assure no one of anything.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77779303


He's actually right, no 'damned' person is going to heaven.
 Quoting: DGN


Jesus is the judge, the result is eternal life or eternal death.
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Yes the choice is everything or nothing at all.
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I am not a Jehovahs witness, but I have had conversations with some of those guys, I think they are very genuine people, and certainly more in tune with Gods plan than most. But how they can think that the creator Jesus is not God amazes me. All things were created by the Word of God. God said let there be light, and there was light. God speaks and it is. This is the Word of God in action. All things were created by God we all agree on that. And in Isaiah it tells us that. Christ is the Word of God, he is the judge and he is the creator of all things.
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The Bible also tells us that God was alone during the creation which means that anyone or anything that was there is ,was, and will always be God. According to the Bible Christ was there.
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Can anyone explain how all things were created through Jesus even if he was not present during the creation? Or how the Word of God could be missing during the creation? There is a verse in Isaiah that tells us that God was alone during the creation. But Jesus was present for he had to be as all things were created through him. That tells us who he is. He is the creator, he is the Judge, he is God.
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The Bible also tells us that God was alone during the creation which means that anyone or anything that was there is ,was, and will always be God. According to the Bible Christ was there.
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Yes the only thing Jehovah created was Jesus, to who all other creating was delegated to;
"Then I was beside him as a master worker.
I was the one he was especially fond of day by day;
I rejoiced before him all the time;
I rejoiced over his habitable earth,
And I was especially fond of the sons of men." Pr8:30

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I am not a Jehovahs witness, but I have had conversations with some of those guys, I think they are very genuine people, and certainly more in tune with Gods plan than most. But how they can think that the creator Jesus is not God amazes me. All things were created by the Word of God. God said let there be light, and there was light. God speaks and it is. This is the Word of God in action. All things were created by God we all agree on that. And in Isaiah it tells us that. Christ is the Word of God, he is the judge and he is the creator of all things.
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Jesus is Jehovah's spokesman, his word and first creation, Jehovah delegated creating everything to Jesus;
"He rescued us from the authority of the darkness and transferred us into the kingdom of his beloved Son, by means of whom we have our release by ransom, the forgiveness of our sins. He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation; because by means of him all other things were created in the heavens and on the earth, the things visible and the things invisible, whether they are thrones or lordships or governments or authorities. All other things have been created through him and for him. Also, he is before all other things, and by means of him all other things were made to exist, and he is the head of the body, the congregation. He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that he might become the one who is first in all things; 19because God was pleased to have all fullness to dwell in him, and through him to reconcile to himself all other things by making peace through the blood he shed on the torture stake, whether the things on the earth or the things in the heavens." Col1:13

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EASY!

Your social media where you have followers gets posted to the cloud on the web.

Boom.

The A.I. is running the show until i go back.
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EASY!

Your social media where you have followers gets posted to the cloud on the web.

Boom.

The A.I. is running the show until i go back.
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Hey thanks for taking care of business before you left.
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For this is what we tell you by Jehovah’s word, that we the living who survive to the presence of the Lord will in no way precede those who have fallen asleep in death; because the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a commanding call, with an archangel’s voice and with God’s trumpet, and those who are dead in union with Christ will rise first. 17;Afterward we the living who are surviving will, together with them, be caught away in clouds to meet the Lord in the air; and thus we will always be with the Lord. 1Thes4:13
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very few
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Remember Lucifer is the Prince of the Power of the Air.
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Remember Lucifer is the Prince of the Power of the Air.
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Yes which basically means emptiness, nothing.
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Behold, I tell you a mystery





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