Who will be “caught away in clouds to meet the Lord in the air,” and how does this happen? | |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 74896242 United Kingdom 07/19/2019 01:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | From Augustine to Barth, no church father, doctor, theologian, pope, or biblical scholar, new or old, with any esteem, has ever argued for the rapture. Up until the 1830’s, when a man named John Darby invented the idea of the rapture, this doctrine did not exist anywhere in the teachings of the church. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76805085 That’s really important. The rapture did not exist until the 19th century. In other words, for 90% of church history NO ONE believed in the rapture. Seriously… no one! This is untrue. It is true of a pre-Trib rapture, but not true of one at all. Besides, it is clearly in scripture. When understood properly, and not thought of in terms of things like ‘left behind’ it can be seen in the bible. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 28475994 United States 07/19/2019 01:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Since the Bible wasn’t written yet when Paul said those words , he was predicting that the Spirit of Jesus would cause the Holy Bible to be written where we have met the Lord in the spiritual air and are forever with the Lord. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 74896242 United Kingdom 07/19/2019 02:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Since the Bible wasn’t written yet when Paul said those words , he was predicting that the Spirit of Jesus would cause the Holy Bible to be written where we have met the Lord in the spiritual air and are forever with the Lord. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28475994 Yeah, that’s lovely EXCEPT Paul only adds to what Jesus already said about his return in the gospels. |
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DGN (OP) User ID: 76673672 United States 07/19/2019 05:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If only 144,000 JWs are saved, and God preordained this, then how come it’s ‘God’s will that none should perish’? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74896242 If those saved is a fix number who's this? "After this I saw, and look! a great crowd, which no man was able to number, out of all nations and tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, dressed in white robes; and there were palm branches in their hands. And they keep shouting with a loud voice, saying: “Salvation we owe to our God, who is seated on the throne, and to the Lamb.” ,,,,,,,,the angels were standing around the throne and the elders and the four living creatures, and they fell facedown before the throne and worshipped God, 12 saying: “Amen! Let the praise and the glory and the wisdom and the thanksgiving and the honor and the power and the strength be to our God forever and ever. Amen.” 13 In response one of the elders said to me: “These who are dressed in the white robes, who are they and where did they come from?”So right away I said to him: “My lord, you are the one who knows.” And he said to me: “These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. That is why they are before the throne of God, and they are rendering him sacred service day and night in his temple; and the One seated on the throne will spread his tent over them. They will hunger no more nor thirst anymore, neither will the sun beat down on them nor any scorching heat, 17 because the Lamb, who is in the midst of the throne, will shepherd them and will guide them to springs of waters of life. And God will wipe out every tear from their eyes" rv7:9 Last Edited by DGN on 07/19/2019 05:16 PM |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 77779303 Germany 07/19/2019 05:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Not a single goddamned Jehovah’s Witness will be “caught up” Quoting: James Michael Martin 38249617 I can assure you of that You should not take the place of the eternal judge, for you are a simple human being like me. Christ is the one who decides who is saved. So you can assure no one of anything. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 77779303 Germany 07/19/2019 05:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The unsaved will not be going to a large fire and burning and be tortured forever, the Bible teaches that they will be dead for eternity. So wherever you were when Moses was leading the Israelites out of Egypt it is the same place you will be for eternity if you are not accepted by Christ. |
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DGN (OP) User ID: 76673672 United States 07/19/2019 05:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Not a single goddamned Jehovah’s Witness will be “caught up” Quoting: James Michael Martin 38249617 I can assure you of that You should not take the place of the eternal judge, for you are a simple human being like me. Christ is the one who decides who is saved. So you can assure no one of anything. He's actually right, no 'damned' person is going to heaven. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 77779303 Germany 07/19/2019 05:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Not a single goddamned Jehovah’s Witness will be “caught up” Quoting: James Michael Martin 38249617 I can assure you of that You should not take the place of the eternal judge, for you are a simple human being like me. Christ is the one who decides who is saved. So you can assure no one of anything. He's actually right, no 'damned' person is going to heaven. Jesus is the judge, the result is eternal life or eternal death. |
DGN (OP) User ID: 76673672 United States 07/19/2019 05:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Not a single goddamned Jehovah’s Witness will be “caught up” Quoting: James Michael Martin 38249617 I can assure you of that You should not take the place of the eternal judge, for you are a simple human being like me. Christ is the one who decides who is saved. So you can assure no one of anything. He's actually right, no 'damned' person is going to heaven. Jesus is the judge, the result is eternal life or eternal death. Yes the choice is everything or nothing at all. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 77779303 Germany 07/19/2019 05:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I am not a Jehovahs witness, but I have had conversations with some of those guys, I think they are very genuine people, and certainly more in tune with Gods plan than most. But how they can think that the creator Jesus is not God amazes me. All things were created by the Word of God. God said let there be light, and there was light. God speaks and it is. This is the Word of God in action. All things were created by God we all agree on that. And in Isaiah it tells us that. Christ is the Word of God, he is the judge and he is the creator of all things. |
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wisconsin User ID: 77827765 United States 07/19/2019 06:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | . ... it will be SUDDEN which is what "soon" means ... so! ... . . Our family celebrates The Lord's Feasts: [link to www.grafted-promise.net] Fools and the dead don't change their minds. Fools won't and the dead can't. When you tear out a man's tongue, you are not proving him a liar. You are only telling the world that you fear what he might say. Quoting: CountryWise Amos 5:13 - Therefore at such a time the prudent person keeps silent, for it is an evil time. |
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DGN (OP) User ID: 76673672 United States 07/19/2019 06:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The Bible also tells us that God was alone during the creation which means that anyone or anything that was there is ,was, and will always be God. According to the Bible Christ was there. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77779303 Yes the only thing Jehovah created was Jesus, to who all other creating was delegated to; "Then I was beside him as a master worker. I was the one he was especially fond of day by day; I rejoiced before him all the time; I rejoiced over his habitable earth, And I was especially fond of the sons of men." Pr8:30 Last Edited by DGN on 07/19/2019 06:43 PM |
DGN (OP) User ID: 76673672 United States 07/19/2019 06:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I am not a Jehovahs witness, but I have had conversations with some of those guys, I think they are very genuine people, and certainly more in tune with Gods plan than most. But how they can think that the creator Jesus is not God amazes me. All things were created by the Word of God. God said let there be light, and there was light. God speaks and it is. This is the Word of God in action. All things were created by God we all agree on that. And in Isaiah it tells us that. Christ is the Word of God, he is the judge and he is the creator of all things. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77779303 Jesus is Jehovah's spokesman, his word and first creation, Jehovah delegated creating everything to Jesus; "He rescued us from the authority of the darkness and transferred us into the kingdom of his beloved Son, by means of whom we have our release by ransom, the forgiveness of our sins. He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation; because by means of him all other things were created in the heavens and on the earth, the things visible and the things invisible, whether they are thrones or lordships or governments or authorities. All other things have been created through him and for him. Also, he is before all other things, and by means of him all other things were made to exist, and he is the head of the body, the congregation. He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that he might become the one who is first in all things; 19because God was pleased to have all fullness to dwell in him, and through him to reconcile to himself all other things by making peace through the blood he shed on the torture stake, whether the things on the earth or the things in the heavens." Col1:13 Last Edited by DGN on 07/19/2019 06:51 PM |
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Perception_TDI User ID: 77808379 Belgium 07/19/2019 06:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Proud to be a music producer. [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] [link to soundcloud.com (secure)] [link to docu-stijn.bandcamp.com (secure)] [link to minepi.com (secure)] :sun: |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 77349451 Canada 07/19/2019 06:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | For this is what we tell you by Jehovah’s word, that we the living who survive to the presence of the Lord will in no way precede those who have fallen asleep in death; because the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a commanding call, with an archangel’s voice and with God’s trumpet, and those who are dead in union with Christ will rise first. 17;Afterward we the living who are surviving will, together with them, be caught away in clouds to meet the Lord in the air; and thus we will always be with the Lord. 1Thes4:13 Quoting: DGN very few |
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DGN (OP) User ID: 76673672 United States 07/19/2019 07:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yes which basically means emptiness, nothing. |
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