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Whiskey Tango Foxtrot

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Yea, so my son hacked my pacemaker...
To set the background, I have a cardiomyopathy and my doc implanted a pacemaker/ defibrillator years ago due to the possibility of sudden cardiac failure. I am not dependent on it but it is there for emergency. I have had it long enough to have 3 replacements because the battery only last 4-5 years. Well the newest one is readable from home. They sent me home with an interrogation device that reads my data and sends it in nightly for analysis through wifi. Pretty cool huh?

My son works cyber security for a branch of the Gov. I won't go into details but he is an ethical hacker. They combat criminal hacking obviously. He had heard that it was possible to hack my new device so attempted it and succeeded. I got rid of the interrogation device they gave me and told them I will make appts for device interrogation when needed.

However anyone close enough to intercept my RF signal could do it through wifi. I dont pretend to know how this is done but my son told me they would really have to know the interrogation protocol of my device to adjust the settings, shock me or shut it off. He did get in far enough to read notes left on my diagnosis within the device. It was kind of cool but real creepy also. Still not sure how I feel about it.
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I’d be a little bit nervous, probably wouldn’t dwell on it, but yeah that’s creepy.
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I’d be a little bit nervous, probably wouldn’t dwell on it, but yeah that’s creepy.
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Yea that's pretty much the way I am feeling now.
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I didnt mention that even with the interrogation device, no one could exactly hack and talk to my device real time. But they could upload a new protocol that would take effect when the 2 talked again.
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Hey thanks for the pin. I thought this was pretty interesting. Even if it is a little unnerving.
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Certain things, they should stay the way they are. You ought to be able to stick them in one of those big glass cases and just leave them alone.
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Build a faraday vest and wear it. will cut down on signals
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Found this article on it. I never knew it was a thing. Sounds like it can be done with other medical devices also maybe?

[link to www.healthline.com (secure)]
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Your son "hacked" your "pacemaker"?

Dude that is WAY too much information.
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 Quoting: Chip


That was my first reaction haha
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That was my first reaction haha
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jay

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Fear the time when strangers will be able to hack your vehicle while driving at 70 mph.
Make America Strong Again
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Build a faraday vest and wear it. will cut down on signals
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I actually wondered about something like that even before I knew this. Simply because it only takes a magnet to shut it off. I can't go through metal detectors and whatnot.
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Your son "hacked" your "pacemaker"?

Dude that is WAY too much information.
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Lol
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Fear the time when strangers will be able to hack your vehicle while driving at 70 mph.
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Damn. That is a scary thought. Ain't technology great?
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Fear the time when strangers will be able to hack your vehicle while driving at 70 mph.
 Quoting: RepublicofTexas


Damn. That is a scary thought. Ain't technology great?
 Quoting: Whiskey Tango Foxtrot


When your life depends on it...somebody you love needs to be on the bleeding edge to protect it.

"I don't give a tuppenny fuck about your moral conundrum, you meat-headed shit-sack." ~Bill the Butcher

"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." ~Arthur C. Clarke

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So Wait... Iran can hack your pacemaker?
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Hey thanks for the pin. I thought this was pretty interesting. Even if it is a little unnerving.
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so can "they" fix this meaning only they would have access to the code ?
i find this beyond unnerving.
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hory-shet
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Yeh
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Re: Yea, so my son hacked my pacemaker...
Sadly, this can be easily done by someone who knows what they are doing in terms of knowing about SDR stuff.

All someone needs to do is get a list of the providers who manufacture these devices (who offers them aka company), do some research to get FCC details (ton of info about the device > frequency it operates > etc.. I probably said a little too much.

It is quite scary.
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Hey thanks for the pin. I thought this was pretty interesting. Even if it is a little unnerving.
 Quoting: Whiskey Tango Foxtrot


so can "they" fix this meaning only they would have access to the code ?
i find this beyond unnerving.
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Not sure. But my son said any hacker would have to be a Medtronic tech also to make it work. I really hope they are working on some kind of security for it. This just happened this weekend so I am calling Medtronic in the morning to ask more questions.
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Kind of scary, makes you wonder if they already have kill codes embedded in these devices?

With that said, a lot of these newer vehicles have so many computers and wifi capabilities, it is SCARY. My brother in law tried to avoid a huge tumble weed on the highway in his new car and it auto-corrected and would NOT allow him to swerve into the other lane to avoid the object!!! FUCK THAT!!!
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Sadly, this can be easily done by someone who knows what they are doing in terms of knowing about SDR stuff.

All someone needs to do is get a list of the providers who manufacture these devices (who offers them aka company), do some research to get FCC details (ton of info about the device > frequency it operates > etc.. I probably said a little too much.

It is quite scary.
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That is pretty much what he was telling me. I didnt understand it but it didnt make me happy. Do you know if they are working at a solution for this?
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Hacker found dead just days before he was due to demonstrate how to kill someone fitted with a pacemaker at conference

26 July 2013

[link to www.dailymail.co.uk (secure)]
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Kind of scary, makes you wonder if they already have kill codes embedded in these devices?

With that said, a lot of these newer vehicles have so many computers and wifi capabilities, it is SCARY. My brother in law tried to avoid a huge tumble weed on the highway in his new car and it auto-corrected and would NOT allow him to swerve into the other lane to avoid the object!!! FUCK THAT!!!
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Holy shit. This tech seems to be moving too fast. That will get people killed.
Whiskey Tango Foxtrot

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Hacker found dead just days before he was due to demonstrate how to kill someone fitted with a pacemaker at conference

26 July 2013

[link to www.dailymail.co.uk (secure)]
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Wtf!? I would be a little more worried if I was a person of importance or had had enormous financial holdings. Imagine if OUR potus had one of these. He wouldnt have made it to inauguration.
Whiskey Tango Foxtrot

Certain things, they should stay the way they are. You ought to be able to stick them in one of those big glass cases and just leave them alone.
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So the device is designed to interrogate the rhythm not just shock your heart.


If you have a day or a week of abnormal heart rythm and it's turned off or it's not reporting, but its below the threshold of shocking, they need the rhythm information as a precurser to shock. You would never know it and it may need to be adjusted.

People sometimes have bad rythms and the devise does not fire, so without interrogating it they would not know to change the settings.

They need the reporting to adjust the settings to have proper function of the device so it will function correctly to pace or shock.

You want it on so it can be evaluated, it is a complex device.
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So the device is designed to interrogate the rhythm not just shock your heart.


If you have a day or a week of abnormal heart rythm and it's turned off or it's not reporting, but its below the threshold of shocking, they need the rhythm information as a precurser to shock. You would never know it and it may need to be adjusted.

People sometimes have bad rythms and the devise does not fire, so without interrogating it they would not know to change the settings.

They need the reporting to adjust the settings to have proper function of the device so it will function correctly to pace or shock.

You want it on so it can be evaluated, it is a complex device.
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Well I report for interrogation every 3 months this or so. It sounds like you work in the field. Do you not think that is sufficient? Would you think the need outweighs any potential danger?
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Re: Yea, so my son hacked my pacemaker...
Sadly, this can be easily done by someone who knows what they are doing in terms of knowing about SDR stuff.

All someone needs to do is get a list of the providers who manufacture these devices (who offers them aka company), do some research to get FCC details (ton of info about the device > frequency it operates > etc.. I probably said a little too much.

It is quite scary.
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That is pretty much what he was telling me. I didnt understand it but it didnt make me happy. Do you know if they are working at a solution for this?
 Quoting: Whiskey Tango Foxtrot


Negative. No one is currently working on a solution as far as I know. I honestly wouldn't even know how they would even come up with a solution.

This can go deeper situation wise. Your home device that plugs into your telephone line communicates with your pacemaker. (If you have one of those) The device sends the data to the clinic for the review of the data. (Not sure what the procedure is) If someone wanted, they could technically sit there and sniff the frequency looking for data to RECORD and then retransmit the data. Technically, not only can they trigger your pacemaker (if they truly know what their doing) they can also troll and flood the data to your clinic, your clinic will think there is something more wrong (your health) or will think there is malfunctions in which will lead to them wanting to conduct surgery on you to so call fix the device. There is just a ton of possibilities, but I'm sure no one would even want to take the time to go through all of that unless they were really going after someone or just plainly sick in the head.
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To set the background, I have a cardiomyopathy and my doc implanted a pacemaker/ defibrillator years ago due to the possibility of sudden cardiac failure. I am not dependent on it but it is there for emergency. I have had it long enough to have 3 replacements because the battery only last 4-5 years. Well the newest one is readable from home. They sent me home with an interrogation device that reads my data and sends it in nightly for analysis through wifi. Pretty cool huh?

My son works cyber security for a branch of the Gov. I won't go into details but he is an ethical hacker. They combat criminal hacking obviously. He had heard that it was possible to hack my new device so attempted it and succeeded. I got rid of the interrogation device they gave me and told them I will make appts for device interrogation when needed.

However anyone close enough to intercept my RF signal could do it through wifi. I dont pretend to know how this is done but my son told me they would really have to know the interrogation protocol of my device to adjust the settings, shock me or shut it off. He did get in far enough to read notes left on my diagnosis within the device. It was kind of cool but real creepy also. Still not sure how I feel about it.
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well, your stupid son is having his flesh stripped from him right now by medi-cabal T$ goons and you're definably next....

or, it's sunday and you're GLP'ing. you DO understand what's implied, correct?
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Sadly, this can be easily done by someone who knows what they are doing in terms of knowing about SDR stuff.

All someone needs to do is get a list of the providers who manufacture these devices (who offers them aka company), do some research to get FCC details (ton of info about the device > frequency it operates > etc.. I probably said a little too much.

It is quite scary.
 Quoting: zulu 76646999


That is pretty much what he was telling me. I didnt understand it but it didnt make me happy. Do you know if they are working at a solution for this?
 Quoting: Whiskey Tango Foxtrot


Negative. No one is currently working on a solution as far as I know. I honestly wouldn't even know how they would even come up with a solution.

This can go deeper situation wise. Your home device that plugs into your telephone line communicates with your pacemaker. (If you have one of those) The device sends the data to the clinic for the review of the data. (Not sure what the procedure is) If someone wanted, they could technically sit there and sniff the frequency looking for data to RECORD and then retransmit the data. Technically, not only can they trigger your pacemaker (if they truly know what their doing) they can also troll and flood the data to your clinic, your clinic will think there is something more wrong (your health) or will think there is malfunctions in which will lead to them wanting to conduct surgery on you to so call fix the device. There is just a ton of possibilities, but I'm sure no one would even want to take the time to go through all of that unless they were really going after someone or just plainly sick in the head.
 Quoting: zulu 76646999


Thank you! This is the first device that they sent me home with an interrogation unit. The actual fear I have is some asshole thinking it is funny to shock pacemaker patients. I knew the odds are super low. But I didnt think a world of idiots would be spitting in food to be sold to the public either. People are doing evil shit because they feel it's funny. I am waiting to see on the news that this is a new "joke" that hackers pull.
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