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Electric Car-Owners Shocked: New Study Confirms EVs Considerably Worse For Climate Than Diesel Cars

 
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Electric Car-Owners Shocked: New Study Confirms EVs Considerably Worse For Climate Than Diesel Cars
According to the study directed by Christoph Buchal of the University of Cologne, published by the Ifo Institute in Munich last week, electric vehicles have "significantly higher CO2 emissions than diesel cars."

That is due to the significant amount of energy used in the mining and processing of lithium, cobalt, and manganese, which are critical raw materials for the production of electric car batteries.

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Not the mention the gasses given off when the battery catches on fire.

Li-Po/Li-Ion batteries are never 100% safe.
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everyone on the electric car hype because of that snake oil salesman musk i see hydrogen cars being the future of cars
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Not to mention the disposal of all those lithium batteries which have the potential to burst into flames...
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everyone on the electric car hype because of that snake oil salesman musk i see hydrogen cars being the future of cars
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How'd that work out for the blimps?
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Same environmentalist feel good bs but they'll never admit they are wrong even when scientifically proven. I've long wondered about this for cars and even smaller items like electric hand dryers. Ok, so you're saving paper, but is there any consideration of the emissions from the manufacturing of plastic housings, electric motors, and the generation of the electricity to run the dryers? Not to mention the aspiration of water particles into vapor, adding bacteria to the air, and the standing water on the floor?
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Liberals Leftists NEVER think about potential consequences beyond the initial 'feel good' thought.

Tax the rich!! (All the rich leave, no one left to tax!)

Socialism great! (Nobody works without incentive, mass starvation!)

Free Healthcare! (Standard of care in the shitter, waiting times outrageous, death panels decide whether you live or die!)

White man racist! Punish white man! (White man gains pride, decides commies can take helicopter ride!)

Take away guns! (No one left to defend against criminals, tyranny or invaders!)

Hate Speech! (Prison time for tweets!)

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everyone on the electric car hype because of that snake oil salesman musk i see hydrogen cars being the future of cars
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he is the PT Barnum of our times
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there is an older study saying this too. Will post link if I can find
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They should just build electric power lines on the streets and make cars ride along them like a trolleybus.

Here, I solved all your pollution problems in one post.
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Been saying that for years.
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everyone on the electric car hype because of that snake oil salesman musk i see hydrogen cars being the future of cars
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Instead of Hydrogen, think Anhydrous Ammonia or NH3. More stable, remains a liquid at lower pressure, more H to utilize. For either combustion or cells.
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They should just build electric power lines on the streets and make cars ride along them like a trolleybus.

Here, I solved all your pollution problems in one post.
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Why "they," why not you yourself? Are you not capable?
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Re: Electric Car-Owners Shocked: New Study Confirms EVs Considerably Worse For Climate Than Diesel Cars
Yeah, all the Rare Earth Mining and pollution in China just to get a battery with a relatively short useful life.

Solar Panels, cell phones, electric cars, all pollute the hell out of the Earth.


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Re: Electric Car-Owners Shocked: New Study Confirms EVs Considerably Worse For Climate Than Diesel Cars
According to the study directed by Christoph Buchal of the University of Cologne, published by the Ifo Institute in Munich last week, electric vehicles have "significantly higher CO2 emissions than diesel cars."

That is due to the significant amount of energy used in the mining and processing of lithium, cobalt, and manganese, which are critical raw materials for the production of electric car batteries.

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Electric cars are actually coal cars!
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everyone on the electric car hype because of that snake oil salesman musk i see hydrogen cars being the future of cars
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How'd that work out for the blimps?
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Us Marine corps working with GM for the new Chevy Colorado as a forward observer are hybrid hydrogen

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don't forget about all the cobalt in the batteries. electic cars will always be crap. but they will push them on us anyway.
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Re: Electric Car-Owners Shocked: New Study Confirms EVs Considerably Worse For Climate Than Diesel Cars
everyone on the electric car hype
because of that snake oil salesman musk
i see hydrogen cars being the future of cars
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i see gasoline or diesel powered cars,
being the future for cars,
and least for the next few thousand years.
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Its not only the mining. Think about how inefficient the electric grid is, it gets converted to very high voltage and stepped back down, then goes.into some DC inverter at the car charger then into the charge controller and into bunches of cells in the battery, their are losses on each of these steps.
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hydrogen..one of the most abundant elements on earth..burns clean..that's what we need.
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Everyone should drive a Diesel.

They are very good for the environment, less refining of the fuel than gasoline and they last longer.

Many countries use diesels except America sadly.
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everyone on the electric car hype because of that snake oil salesman musk i see hydrogen cars being the future of cars
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How'd that work out for the blimps?
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Ah much safer now, you can do it yourself .. ooo noo it might explode

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there is an older study saying this too. Will post link if I can find
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IF you live in a city and drive only IN the city they make sense.
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This has been known for years, It takes more to make one, than a hummer and fuel for ever!
More green fail, Does it ever stop with these people?

And requires a large electric load to charge = to running a home 5 tone AC all day plus.

As of 2014 all new parking lots in Los Angeles must have 10% of spaces for electric charging. The percent was to increase every year! I don't know the percent now? 20-30%. I have not built a parking structure in the last 5 years. I did read the code in 2014.
This is a huge cost to install and demand on the electric grid that already runs at 125+% during peak summer days and hours.

To the point that schools and business power is required to be interrupt able and load shedding is implemented. Stage 1 AC cooling reduced 5%
so rooms are 3-5 degrees warmer, 2nd stage same as above but 10%, 3rd stage 25% AC off no cooling, The next stage is overload of the utilities and brown or black out.
Add in cost for Daylight harvesting lighting control required 5+k and continued maintenance 1k a year. For all small retail business.

Solar power same shit another eco terrorist environmental fails.

Parking structure 4 story one example, the batteries used for the storage of the electrical for emergency lighting 40 each 12v must battery's must be stored in a room with AC temperature must not exceed 75 degrees at all times or void warranty of $40k battery's So we cool the inverter rooms with utility supplied electrical to keep it cool for a system that is rarely used. Note where I work we have several of these, None in working order, That is no emergency lighting in a collage campus WTF. No money for batteries. But the AC is still on 24/7 365.

We have thousands of solar trash cans, They have a compactor built in cost $2k each for a fucking trash can! None work!!! And we pay for maintenance anyways.
We also have solar roll off dumpster compactors, Another fail don't work at night when the real clean up is done!

Solar is great if you use the power created directly or have no other options, Most residential with 2 working people only benefit for a few hours a day 5-7pm when you are home, the pay back for the cost is becomes decades not years.

The waste far outweighs the benefit. But they believe it is a good thing .
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Where does the electric come from. If you convert 1000 btu of fossil fuel into electricity you lose 50 % from the conversion. If you were to use fossil fuels to power efficient internal combustion engine you could have 70% of energy available
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They should just build electric power lines on the streets and make cars ride along them like a trolleybus.

Here, I solved all your pollution problems in one post.
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That’s already a thing. Electric trucks seen new, but it’s been around for 100 years.

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They are not shocked. They don't wanna know.lalasheep

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Re: Electric Car-Owners Shocked: New Study Confirms EVs Considerably Worse For Climate Than Diesel Cars
Not the mention the gasses given off when the battery catches on fire.

Li-Po/Li-Ion batteries are never 100% safe.
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Battery tech advances almost monthly.

"Electrics" are here and they aren't going away.





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