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Is it true that NASA lost the plans for the moonlanding?

 
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Is it true that NASA lost the plans for the moonlanding?
I find this hard to believe?

Whats the explanation?

Hard to believe everything you read on the web..]

Must be a logical explanation though..

Scientific answers only please.. No theorists..
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Re: Is it true that NASA lost the plans for the moonlanding?
Nothing?? :(
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Re: Is it true that NASA lost the plans for the moonlanding?
I find this hard to believe?

Whats the explanation?

Hard to believe everything you read on the web..]

Must be a logical explanation though..

Scientific answers only please.. No theorists..
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Yes and no. A pretty major portion of everything is available in the library of Congress.

That said though, for a variety of reasons the old plans, blueprints, and et cetera are essentially useless for going back.

There's a very large and diverse selection of very valid reasons why this is the case but, the two big ones are:

1. Technology has moved on.

We would literally have to train and bring up a whole new crop of engineers and rebuild very inefficient factories and processes just to reuse the old plans as they are. This would cost just unholy amounts of time and money and only net us clones of the old stuff at the very best.

2. By today's standards the Apollo everything is entirely environmentally unacceptable and too dangerous to even allow to fly anymore.

The types and amounts of hazardous and or outright banned materials etc involved in building those systems Their launch infrastructure and actually launching everything is almost crazy. Hell even the ground elements of that program are just insanely illegal from a worker health and safety standpoint alone. Combine that with the actual spacecraft being death traps and there's just no way. We got very lucky to only have as little go wrong as did originally.

Finally: the second you even try to START fixing any of these issues by updating anything right down to god damn rivets production processes and less cancerous paint... Guess what?

You now have to requalify EVERYTHING because you won't be able to change one thing here and there.


Trying to revive apollo would give us something basically useful for nothing more than astronaut day trips like the original at a just unbelievably massive cost.

It's actually far far cheaper to do what we're doing than trying to revive a flying antique death trap and environmental disaster.
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07/21/2019 06:56 PM
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Re: Is it true that NASA lost the plans for the moonlanding?
and...

all of the technology

and...

all of the telemetry data

and...

the ability to get through the VanAllen Belt

and...

the ability to ever do it again...


The whole thing is Total Fucking Bullshit
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Re: Is it true that NASA lost the plans for the moonlanding?
No.


and...

all of the technology

and...

all of the telemetry data

and...

the ability to get through the VanAllen Belt

and...

the ability to ever do it again...
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07/22/2019 03:28 AM
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Re: Is it true that NASA lost the plans for the moonlanding?
and...

all of the technology

and...

all of the telemetry data

and...

the ability to get through the VanAllen Belt

and...

the ability to ever do it again...


The whole thing is Total Fucking Bullshit
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77784254


and the blueprints for the lander and rovers
some original footage was erased apparently not worth keeping.
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07/22/2019 03:32 AM
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Re: Is it true that NASA lost the plans for the moonlanding?
there is no such thing as a moon.

Its a hologram
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07/22/2019 03:36 AM
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Re: Is it true that NASA lost the plans for the moonlanding?
I find this hard to believe?

Whats the explanation?

Hard to believe everything you read on the web..]

Must be a logical explanation though..

Scientific answers only please.. No theorists..
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77559063


Yes and no. A pretty major portion of everything is available in the library of Congress.

That said though, for a variety of reasons the old plans, blueprints, and et cetera are essentially useless for going back.

There's a very large and diverse selection of very valid reasons why this is the case but, the two big ones are:

1. Technology has moved on.

We would literally have to train and bring up a whole new crop of engineers and rebuild very inefficient factories and processes just to reuse the old plans as they are. This would cost just unholy amounts of time and money and only net us clones of the old stuff at the very best.

2. By today's standards the Apollo everything is entirely environmentally unacceptable and too dangerous to even allow to fly anymore.

The types and amounts of hazardous and or outright banned materials etc involved in building those systems Their launch infrastructure and actually launching everything is almost crazy. Hell even the ground elements of that program are just insanely illegal from a worker health and safety standpoint alone. Combine that with the actual spacecraft being death traps and there's just no way. We got very lucky to only have as little go wrong as did originally.

Finally: the second you even try to START fixing any of these issues by updating anything right down to god damn rivets production processes and less cancerous paint... Guess what?

You now have to requalify EVERYTHING because you won't be able to change one thing here and there.


Trying to revive apollo would give us something basically useful for nothing more than astronaut day trips like the original at a just unbelievably massive cost.

It's actually far far cheaper to do what we're doing than trying to revive a flying antique death trap and environmental disaster.
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^^^^^^^^^
Textbook example of blowing it out of your ass.

This dude knows naught of what he speaks.

What a bullshitter.
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07/22/2019 03:37 AM
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Re: Is it true that NASA lost the plans for the moonlanding?
Also a lack of Nazis.
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Re: Is it true that NASA lost the plans for the moonlanding?
there is no such thing as a moon.

Its a hologram
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Re: Is it true that NASA lost the plans for the moonlanding?
Textbook example of blowing it out of your ass.

This dude knows naught of what he speaks.

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Well said, the amount of babble that one vomited forth, was enough to Gag a Maggot.

All of the design documentation is still around; all of it, just existing in new formats and not available by typing Google.

Case in point, a non working AGC was brought back to life, and all the documentation was available, schematics, the works, right down to blue prints for the connector pins.

A group of young Engineers working for NASA disassembled an F-1 and were blown away by the craftsmanship (opps I said craftsman ... f.u. Berkley). They think they could 3d print one with fewer parts, and they had all the Rocketdyne documentation.

Launchers still use RP-1 and Lox ... What has been lost are a lot of the line workers notes, Notes as to construction methods and sequencing.

Could we do it today? Providing you can find skilled trades people, with out doubt we could ... ahhh but you knew there was a butt coming. You've got to build the infrastructure, jigs, stands, supply chains etc etc.

The will to spend the money isn't there.

why build and Apollo launcher when you could be like the USSR and just build Volkswagen launchers .. build 'em on an assembly line, one model, in any color you want so long as it's black ... thats a joke ... Oh wait, we do build Volkswagen launchers .. we just call it SpaceX .... Oh and one other thing ...

Every unit built, bit an F-1 or S1-c, has to be flight qualified. Because you used an approved set of plans doesn't mean you did it right or didn't f'up. Everything gets tested.
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Re: Is it true that NASA lost the plans for the moonlanding?
And the moon rocks

And the footage

And the technology to get through the belts


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Re: Is it true that NASA lost the plans for the moonlanding?
And the moon rocks

And the footage

And the technology to get through the belts
epiclol
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They've not lost the Lunar Samples, and the same people have been caring for and sending out samples for the last 38 years. They're stored in two different places now, no longer held in vacuum now, but then, that ship sailed long ago when it was found that soil from the flight crews over gloves causes scratching of the SRC lid seals, letting some oxygen in.

They did misplace the Slow scan tape, and they've been upfront about that.

Ah the Belts ... The flight crews did NOT go through the center of the belts but rather, skirted the areas of lower density. it's also been shown, time and time again, that Alum shell and plastic and phenolic resin ablative coatings actually resisted the majority of cislunar radiation.

Then again, you're not going to hear that from "Billy Bob's house of Van Allen Belt Schooling"
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Re: Is it true that NASA lost the plans for the moonlanding?
Didn't they record over all the original tapes, claiming that they had to reuse them for financial reasons?

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Re: Is it true that NASA lost the plans for the moonlanding?
GLP is pro Moon landing pro US lies
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Re: Is it true that NASA lost the plans for the moonlanding?
And the moon rocks

And the footage

And the technology to get through the belts
epiclol
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They've not lost the Lunar Samples, and the same people have been caring for and sending out samples for the last 38 years. They're stored in two different places now, no longer held in vacuum now, but then, that ship sailed long ago when it was found that soil from the flight crews over gloves causes scratching of the SRC lid seals, letting some oxygen in.

They did misplace the Slow scan tape, and they've been upfront about that.

Ah the Belts ... The flight crews did NOT go through the center of the belts but rather, skirted the areas of lower density. it's also been shown, time and time again, that Alum shell and plastic and phenolic resin ablative coatings actually resisted the majority of cislunar radiation.

Then again, you're not going to hear that from "Billy Bob's house of Van Allen Belt Schooling"
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76725771


Missing rocks [link to www.google.com (secure)]

Missing footage

[link to www.google.com (secure)]

Belts


[link to 21stcenturywire.com (secure)]


But you're right
Present me your willow for I seek your truffles
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Re: Is it true that NASA lost the plans for the moonlanding?
I find this hard to believe?

Whats the explanation?

Hard to believe everything you read on the web..]

Must be a logical explanation though..

Scientific answers only please.. No theorists..
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77559063


They lost them by accident.
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07/22/2019 08:21 AM
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Re: Is it true that NASA lost the plans for the moonlanding?
I find this hard to believe?

Whats the explanation?

Hard to believe everything you read on the web..]

Must be a logical explanation though..

Scientific answers only please.. No theorists..
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77559063


they had a garage sale and gave them to a Boy Scout chapter in Alabama
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Re: Is it true that NASA lost the plans for the moonlanding?
Textbook example of blowing it out of your ass.

This dude knows naught of what he speaks.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32554609


Well said, the amount of babble that one vomited forth, was enough to Gag a Maggot.

All of the design documentation is still around; all of it, just existing in new formats and not available by typing Google.

Case in point, a non working AGC was brought back to life, and all the documentation was available, schematics, the works, right down to blue prints for the connector pins.

A group of young Engineers working for NASA disassembled an F-1 and were blown away by the craftsmanship (opps I said craftsman ... f.u. Berkley). They think they could 3d print one with fewer parts, and they had all the Rocketdyne documentation.

Launchers still use RP-1 and Lox ... What has been lost are a lot of the line workers notes, Notes as to construction methods and sequencing.

Could we do it today? Providing you can find skilled trades people, with out doubt we could ... ahhh but you knew there was a butt coming. You've got to build the infrastructure, jigs, stands, supply chains etc etc.

The will to spend the money isn't there.

why build and Apollo launcher when you could be like the USSR and just build Volkswagen launchers .. build 'em on an assembly line, one model, in any color you want so long as it's black ... thats a joke ... Oh wait, we do build Volkswagen launchers .. we just call it SpaceX .... Oh and one other thing ...

Every unit built, bit an F-1 or S1-c, has to be flight qualified. Because you used an approved set of plans doesn't mean you did it right or didn't f'up. Everything gets tested.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76725771


So they are blowing more smoke up our asses by claiming that
they WILL go back to the moon.

This is the third or fourth administration that promised a
return moonshot.

So we have the pattern of lies over decades of policy-makers.

By a very slight leap of logic we could deduce that the original claim of landing on the moon was the original lie.
-Science and scientific claims depend on repeatability, and
extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.





GLP