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Anonymous Coward User ID: 78188777 United States 11/28/2019 10:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The Rapture is a uniquely Christian idea... so of course you must deny and oppose it... Jesus Christ does not also seize away suddenly and without warning others that do not believe in Him to Himself ... It is not a random drawing... You don't get to to say Yeah, me too, but the way I say... |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 78188777 United States 11/28/2019 10:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Daniel’s 70 Weeks Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78151239 The Precision of Prophecy Gabriel told Daniel that the interval between the commandment to rebuild Jerusalem until the presentation of the Messiah as King would be 173,880 days. The commandment to restore and build Jerusalem was given by Artaxerxes Longimanus on March 14, 445 B.C. Jesus presented Himself as King. It occurred on April 6, 32 A.D. March 14, 445 B.C. and April 6, 32 A.D. 173,880 days exactly, to the very day! [link to www.khouse.org (secure)] I quote this most astonishing example again only to attest to the high likelihood for Jesus' death and resurrection beginning the Church Age in 32 ad. Whether accurate or not and whether without any other basis or not, I seem to more and more be coming to the conclusion that a roughly but closely to 2,000 year time frame is required here, as God seems to be consistent 2,000 years Creation Adam to Noah, 2,000 years Noah to Christ, 2,000 years Christ 'til... so that would put us around 2032 for the Return of Christ. If so, then the 7 year Tribulation Time of Jacob's Trouble Daniel's 70th Week would probably begin sometime in 2025. I believe the Rapture to most likely be before the Tribulation begins, likely a very short time before, but maybe a little longer, but not years before, so probably several years yet if this is at all ballpark close. On the other hand, I'm good with getting out of here pronto if it be His Will. I remember 88 Reasons... So... no clue on day or hour.. but my best guess is we may have a few short years remaining, but I most certainly could be wrong. Consider those years His Patient Blessing for all those that will soon come to Believe in Him... |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 51514852 United States 11/28/2019 11:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Rapture is fake as many delusional see it. Here's what it really means, is God is going to give a pass to all those killed on mass arbitrarily, and it's up to the survivors to build a better earth. Floods have been done, I think this time, God might as well let us flip the switch. That way we now show some autonomy and can show that we are truly created in his image. |
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Colour Crusader User ID: 78241971 Germany 12/12/2019 04:47 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The important thing now, at this very critical stage in our planet's history, is what we can do to contribute to stability, clarity and peace. By focussing on a supposedly significant event in the future, is to be full of longing, of sadness because it is still a long way off, or resignation because we do not know the exact facts and feel helpless to influence them. This is EXACTLY THE SORT OF MIND SET WHICH THIS PLANET'S RULING POWERS WANT US TO BE IN. SO the only question remains; are we going to long for some future heaven, OR ARE WE GOING TO CHANGE OUR BEHAVIOUR AND CREATE HEAVEN ON EARTH. As our thoughts and worlds have immense power, we are (collectively) capable of this. So let's start. 2 things to consider about the supposed peace plan that has been in the works since Trump took office: Quoting: oatmeal 1) Israel turned 70 years old in 2018 and the Bible describes a generation will not pass before the 2nd coming of Christ happens after this re birth of Israel. The Bible also says a generation is 70-80 years and since the tribulation period is 7 years then by working backwards from Israels 80th anniversary would put that timeline of the second coming around 2028 meaning the tribulation will have to start between now and 2021. 2) The red heifer needed to dedicate the 3rd temple was born in August 2018 in Israel and has been certified as a perfect red heifer. The heifer must be sacrificed between its 3rd and 4th year which would mean the temple would have to be rebuilt between august 2021 and August 2022. A perfect red heifer is only born once in 2000 years. I believe there will be a period of time between the rapture of the church and the 7 year covenant being signed with Israel. This to me puts the rapture of the Church between now and 2021. What day or hour? I have no clue. Last Edited by Colour Crusader on 12/12/2019 04:51 AM Colour Crusader: may we fill the world with vibrant colour, constant critical assessment and deep compassion, moving ever forward towards a paradise of our own creating Thread THE WORLD WILL BECOME PEACEFUL, BEAUTIFUL AND ABUNDANT IF .. Thread: The world will become peaceful, beautiful and abundant IF .... Thread INCREDIBLE VOICES: THE MOST PERSONAL EXPRESSION OF THE HUMAN CONDITION Thread: INCREDIBLE VOICES, AND MUSIC WHICH COMFORTS AND INSPIRES IN DIFFICULT TIMES Thread: WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM? CHOOSE THE QUALITY WHICH HELPS Thread: HOW WE CAN SOLVE GLOBAL PROBLEMS BY CHOOSING A NUMBER BETWEEN 1 and 100 Thread: HOW FULFILLING IS YOUR JOB? WHAT IS YOUR VOCATION? DREAM ON ... Thread: IS YOUR JOB USEFUL, AND HAVE RECENT DEVELOPMENTS HELPED YOU TO REFLECT ON YOUR REAL VOCATION? Thread: QUESTION OF THE DAY Thread Thread: QUESTION OF THE DAY: SELF-REFLECTION IS ESSENTIAL FOR SURVIVAL |
Colour Crusader User ID: 78241971 Germany 12/12/2019 04:49 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OP: the rapture is not part of original Bible teachings, in fact the Bible itself is not original - not written by Jesus, not even by people who all know him. The new Testament includes only 4 books of the 50 to choose from (around 300 AD, Council of Nicea),and much has been censored (around 500, references to reincarnation removed). Since then, there has been much manipulation as a result of various translations (notably, the Scofield). In addition, our timeline is out by about 7 years. In view of all this, it seems erroneous to be discussing such details as if they are accurate. The important thing now, at this very critical stage in our planet's history, is what we can do to contribute to stability, clarity and peace. By focussing on a supposedly significant event in the future, is to be full of longing, of sadness because it is still a long way off, or resignation because we do not know the exact facts and feel helpless to influence them. This is EXACTLY THE SORT OF MIND SET WHICH THIS PLANET'S RULING POWERS WANT US TO BE IN. SO the only question remains; are we going to long for some future heaven, OR ARE WE GOING TO CHANGE OUR BEHAVIOUR AND CREATE HEAVEN ON EARTH. As our thoughts and worlds have immense power, we are (collectively) capable of this. So let's start. Edited to say: you are right about the second coming, and it is, relatively speaking, imminent, so your intuition is good. But it will not involve rapture of any sort. 2 things to consider about the supposed peace plan that has been in the works since Trump took office: Quoting: oatmeal 1) Israel turned 70 years old in 2018 and the Bible describes a generation will not pass before the 2nd coming of Christ happens after this re birth of Israel. The Bible also says a generation is 70-80 years and since the tribulation period is 7 years then by working backwards from Israels 80th anniversary would put that timeline of the second coming around 2028 meaning the tribulation will have to start between now and 2021. 2) The red heifer needed to dedicate the 3rd temple was born in August 2018 in Israel and has been certified as a perfect red heifer. The heifer must be sacrificed between its 3rd and 4th year which would mean the temple would have to be rebuilt between august 2021 and August 2022. A perfect red heifer is only born once in 2000 years. I believe there will be a period of time between the rapture of the church and the 7 year covenant being signed with Israel. This to me puts the rapture of the Church between now and 2021. What day or hour? I have no clue. Last Edited by Colour Crusader on 12/12/2019 04:50 AM Colour Crusader: may we fill the world with vibrant colour, constant critical assessment and deep compassion, moving ever forward towards a paradise of our own creating Thread THE WORLD WILL BECOME PEACEFUL, BEAUTIFUL AND ABUNDANT IF .. Thread: The world will become peaceful, beautiful and abundant IF .... Thread INCREDIBLE VOICES: THE MOST PERSONAL EXPRESSION OF THE HUMAN CONDITION Thread: INCREDIBLE VOICES, AND MUSIC WHICH COMFORTS AND INSPIRES IN DIFFICULT TIMES Thread: WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM? CHOOSE THE QUALITY WHICH HELPS Thread: HOW WE CAN SOLVE GLOBAL PROBLEMS BY CHOOSING A NUMBER BETWEEN 1 and 100 Thread: HOW FULFILLING IS YOUR JOB? WHAT IS YOUR VOCATION? DREAM ON ... Thread: IS YOUR JOB USEFUL, AND HAVE RECENT DEVELOPMENTS HELPED YOU TO REFLECT ON YOUR REAL VOCATION? Thread: QUESTION OF THE DAY Thread Thread: QUESTION OF THE DAY: SELF-REFLECTION IS ESSENTIAL FOR SURVIVAL |
oatmeal (OP) User ID: 77666173 United States 12/12/2019 04:53 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Edited to say: you are right about the second coming, and it is, relatively speaking, imminent, so your intuition is good. But it will not involve rapture of any sort. while we disagree about the rapture we agree that Christ is coming back soon. That is something to look forward too! oatmeal - Leave your user name in comments with green karma votes and ill return the favor. |
Colour Crusader User ID: 78241971 Germany 12/12/2019 10:44 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Indeed dear Oatmeal: may we rejoice in that, and in all commonly shared goals and perspectives which enhance our understanding and the progress of peace on this planet. Edited to say: you are right about the second coming, and it is, relatively speaking, imminent, so your intuition is good. But it will not involve rapture of any sort. Quoting: oatmeal while we disagree about the rapture we agree that Christ is coming back soon. That is something to look forward too! Last Edited by Colour Crusader on 12/12/2019 10:44 AM Colour Crusader: may we fill the world with vibrant colour, constant critical assessment and deep compassion, moving ever forward towards a paradise of our own creating Thread THE WORLD WILL BECOME PEACEFUL, BEAUTIFUL AND ABUNDANT IF .. Thread: The world will become peaceful, beautiful and abundant IF .... Thread INCREDIBLE VOICES: THE MOST PERSONAL EXPRESSION OF THE HUMAN CONDITION Thread: INCREDIBLE VOICES, AND MUSIC WHICH COMFORTS AND INSPIRES IN DIFFICULT TIMES Thread: WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM? CHOOSE THE QUALITY WHICH HELPS Thread: HOW WE CAN SOLVE GLOBAL PROBLEMS BY CHOOSING A NUMBER BETWEEN 1 and 100 Thread: HOW FULFILLING IS YOUR JOB? WHAT IS YOUR VOCATION? DREAM ON ... Thread: IS YOUR JOB USEFUL, AND HAVE RECENT DEVELOPMENTS HELPED YOU TO REFLECT ON YOUR REAL VOCATION? Thread: QUESTION OF THE DAY Thread Thread: QUESTION OF THE DAY: SELF-REFLECTION IS ESSENTIAL FOR SURVIVAL |
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Goodday User ID: 78281225 Egypt 12/25/2019 09:43 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 2 things to consider about the supposed peace plan that has been in the works since Trump took office: Quoting: oatmeal 1) Israel turned 70 years old in 2018 and the Bible describes a generation will not pass before the 2nd coming of Christ happens after this re birth of Israel. The Bible also says a generation is 70-80 years and since the tribulation period is 7 years then by working backwards from Israels 80th anniversary would put that timeline of the second coming around 2028 meaning the tribulation will have to start between now and 2021. 2) The red heifer needed to dedicate the 3rd temple was born in August 2018 in Israel and has been certified as a perfect red heifer. The heifer must be sacrificed between its 3rd and 4th year which would mean the temple would have to be rebuilt between august 2021 and August 2022. A perfect red heifer is only born once in 2000 years. I believe there will be a period of time between the rapture of the church and the 7 year covenant being signed with Israel. This to me puts the rapture of the Church between now and 2021. What day or hour? I have no clue. Rapture starts tomorrow!! |
GT Bighair User ID: 19353379 United States 12/25/2019 10:02 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If the 4th Temple is not consecrated, then how can it be profaned as the Abomination of Desolation? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72341210 besides that... we have not had AC for 7 years of NWO yet... that's 3 1/2 yrs of signs and wonders (Project Blue Beam )... and 3 1/2 yrs of world wide Christian persecutions including be-headings (Christian Martyrs)... This so called Rapture isn't until Jesus comes after ALL of these events... Even his very elect can be fooled so... We need to endure way worse than what we have had so far... Pray harder, Brothers and Sisters in Christ Yeshua' s precious name... yep and Amen. |
waterman User ID: 76803670 United States 12/25/2019 10:04 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What we need to watch for is the arrival of elijah....that’s how you will know the rapture is near. What day is the most likely day for elijah to arrive? The Jewish look for elijah every passover. Being israel is going for its third elections in a year without being able to form a government this makes 2020 passover a high watch time for the arrival of elijah...the third elections in Israel are March 2 2020 and it could take up to 70 days after that to form a government which would make passover 2020 the second week of April a high watch time for elijah -Heed the warning or endure the mourning Favor ain't fair |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 77017548 United States 12/25/2019 10:12 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Many Christians have suffered some kind of “tribulation” during the past. Did god allow these people to escape? No, they had to face the “tribulation” Jesus suffered the worst possible horrors. Did god allow his only begotten son to escape this horrific “tribulation”? No he had to face it head on. Why would anyone suspect that God is going to let us escape the tribulation or the Great tribulation. What makes us so special? Why do you think those who suffer the tribulation are awarded so greatly. It is because his people had to suffer through the tribulation before being Raptured. Sorry even though our generation is special to be born during this time, we are not special enough to escape the tribulation. Rapture happens the moment before Armageddon the last battle. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 77017548 United States 12/25/2019 10:24 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Nobody in The history of mankind has ever escaped any kind of “tribulation” including Jesus. Think about that for a second. Why would he start at this moment letting people escape any kind of tribulation including Daniels 70week including the Great Tribulation. Just no scripture base for either time period. But you can apply common sense instead of wishful thinking. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 77660835 United States 12/25/2019 10:48 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 2 things to consider about the supposed peace plan that has been in the works since Trump took office: Quoting: oatmeal 1) Israel turned 70 years old in 2018 and the Bible describes a generation will not pass before the 2nd coming of Christ happens after this re birth of Israel. The Bible also says a generation is 70-80 years and since the tribulation period is 7 years then by working backwards from Israels 80th anniversary would put that timeline of the second coming around 2028 meaning the tribulation will have to start between now and 2021. 2) The red heifer needed to dedicate the 3rd temple was born in August 2018 in Israel and has been certified as a perfect red heifer. The heifer must be sacrificed between its 3rd and 4th year which would mean the temple would have to be rebuilt between august 2021 and August 2022. A perfect red heifer is only born once in 2000 years. I believe there will be a period of time between the rapture of the church and the 7 year covenant being signed with Israel. This to me puts the rapture of the Church between now and 2021. What day or hour? I have no clue. NO.. But mostly because there is no Rapture. Its a man made construct. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 77660835 United States 12/25/2019 10:51 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The Rapture is a uniquely Christian idea... so of course you must deny and oppose it... Jesus Christ does not also seize away suddenly and without warning others that do not believe in Him to Himself ... It is not a random drawing... You don't get to to say Yeah, me too, but the way I say... There actually is no Rapture. |
waterman User ID: 76803670 United States 12/25/2019 10:57 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 1. The Bride.....who isn’t appointed to wrath and will be raptured 2. The tribulation saints who will have to wash their robes by having faith in Jesus and being a martyr during the tribulation ( beheading) 3. The 144,000 ( United northern and southern kingdom israel) 1. The bride will occupy heaven during the millennium 2. The tribulation saints will serve in the throne room during the millennium: Revelation 7: 14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. 15 Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them. 16 They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat. 17 For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes. 3. The 144,000 representing the reunited northern and southern kingdom will dwell on earth and the two anointed will have dominion over this worldly kingdom as the davidic levitic kingdom on earth will be reinstated and one anointed will be the earthly king and the other anointed will be the earthly high priest because in a davidic levitic kingdom the king can’t be high priest.....and as we see Jesus is in the throne room in revelation 7 with the tribulation saints. The heavenly melchelzedek order makes it possible for Jesus to be both King and High Priest and the United northern and southern kingdom will still have to have faith in Jesus for salvation....faith equal something hoped for without the evidence of seeing it..if Jesus ruled on earth nobody would need faith as they would see Jesus Last Edited by waterman on 12/25/2019 12:05 PM -Heed the warning or endure the mourning Favor ain't fair |
nineteeneightyfive User ID: 64558951 United States 12/25/2019 10:58 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Is it a the 3rd Temple? Do you know history? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72341210 See the Galilee earthquake of 363 AD When morons tried rebuild the Temple in defiance to YHWH who had not authorized it, it was destroyed. So much for a now 4th Temple. was it ever dedicated and completed? Exactly Beat me to the punch; it is the MANNER in which the Temple must be Rebuilt. The Dedication, etc...not simply a natural disaster, which is common for any structure! At any rate...this is a very interesting topic!! Kudos! A Coot is a Bird.... |
nineteeneightyfive User ID: 64558951 United States 12/25/2019 11:01 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Rapture is fake as many delusional see it. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 51514852 Here's what it really means, is God is going to give a pass to all those killed on mass arbitrarily, and it's up to the survivors to build a better earth. Floods have been done, I think this time, God might as well let us flip the switch. That way we now show some autonomy and can show that we are truly created in his image. Not disagreeing with you at all on this point, but I have to say -- this is my favourite version of Rapture, and has been a long time. No one ever brought this up to me before I had thought of it, this being many years ago!! Kudos! A Coot is a Bird.... |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 67511492 United States 12/25/2019 11:18 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Correct. We already know the timing in regard to the end-time sequence: Summary of Tribulation and Rapture Timing 1st half tribulation is 1260 days (rev 12:6) then the second half is 1290 days. Then the sun and moon darkened and we begin the 1-year Day of the Lord (Compare matt 24 with Acts 2:20) Then we go an additional 45 days and we get to the 1335 days. So total time span is 1260+1335 days = 2595 days after the covenant with many is confirmed. Jesus said the end times would be like the Days of Noah. What are the Days of Noah? 7 days sealed in the ark plus 40 days and 40 nights of rain and the ark is them lifted off of the earth. There is 3 rules in prophetic interpretation dealing with days: 1. When identifying the millennium (1,000 year "day") then a day is 1,000 years. In allegories and parables it always ends up being the 3rd day or the 7th day. These are the same day when considering that right now we are in the 3rd day from Jesus the 2nd Adam, and the 7th day from Adam, the 1st Adam. 2. When you are dealing with allegories and parables within that millenium, 1 day - 1 time - 1 year. So when Nebuchadnezzar heats up the oven 7 times, it means fiery tril for 7 years. 3. When the Bible says "40 days and 40 nights" or "mornings and evenings" the day cannot be expanded beyond a normal day. So the days of Noah are: 7 days and 40 days and nights. 7 * 365 + 40 days = 2595 same as 1260+1335 = 2595 above. What happens at the 2595 the day or the 1335th day? The Ark is lifted off the earth symbolizing the rapture of the saints. When you study this summary in detail, you see that the mystery of the end times timing and what happens is largely known but people don't listen and read and research to understand how the Bible repeats this timing over and over again hidden in plain sight. The first few posts of this thread go into more detail: Thread: Rapture Harpazo is 40 days into the Day of the Lord. and all we need to know now is when the covenant will be confirmed. Once that date is known, we know the rest of the schedule until the millennial kingdom is set up. |
~Newton's Own~ User ID: 77801149 United States 12/25/2019 11:37 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Only in America is this hogwash taught, thanks to Darby and Schofield. The rest of the worlds Christians have better sense and can read. A coward dies a thousand times, but the valiant need taste of death but once. Fear cuts deeper than swords. #Notmypresident. |
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