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Questioning Whether Islam Is Religion of Peace
By YOUSSEF IBRAHIM
July 9, 2007

(While the knee-jerk response is still to brand as "bigots" all those who call upon Muslims to confront and work against the violence engendered by Islamic teaching, Youssef Ibrahim is not afraid to stand up and speak the truth.)

The latest batch of attacks by Islamic terrorists raised fresh concerns among Muslims over what they fear may be "heinous attempts" to link terror with Islam.

British Muslims, who number 1.6 million, are reportedly funding advertising campaigns across Britain that proclaim Islam is "the religion of peace" — in the process also implicitly warning fellow Britons against criticizing their faith.

Yet a year ago, a weighty Muslim writer and pundit, Abdelrahman Al Rashed, manager of the pan-Arab TV network Al-Arabiya Television, famously launched a stormy debate when he opined, "While all Muslims are not terrorists, all terrorists are now Muslims."

Ever since, the question among Muslim scholars and activists is precisely how much of the terror inspired by Islam is due to the faith itself — and how much is due to the way it is being preached.

Clearly, the issue is enormously delicate, fraught with the pitfalls of prejudice and all sorts of other sensitivities.

But as hundreds of thousands of people from New York to Baghdad are butchered under Islam's banners, failing to tackle it head-on is unacceptable.

Reasonable Muslims now agree that when a religion veers so far off course, it loses immunity to inquisition. "We ought to go through very serious questioning and soul-searching," a founder of the Muslim Public Affairs Council, Dr. Maher Hathout, wrote on "The American Muslim" Web site Thursday. "How did we, as a group, fail to nip this ugly phenomenon in the bud?" he asks. "How did we indulge in the luxury of theoretical debates, and craft all kinds of euphemisms to let this go on, spill out, and grow?"

The bare facts are there for all to see: Over the past 40 years or so, Islam's millions of fanatical preachers and political operatives have represented the religion as one of an "oppressed" people, victimized for centuries by the multiple ogres of Christianity, Judaism, and secularism. Listen to many preachers, read several interpretations of the Muslim holy book, or go to a variety of madrassas from Pakistan to Saudi Arabia, and you will quickly learn that Islam's central value, bar none, is jihad.

Far from a religion of peace, these clerics have "weaponized" Islam's text and the Koran into a war manifesto against even fellow Muslims — as between Shiites and Sunnis.


Raising the bar further, most Muslim scholarship of today maintains the refrain that Islam is not meant to be another religion, but the most definitive of God's revelations to man. As Muslim children are told daily, the Prophet Muhammad is not only the last of God's prophets, but the most authoritative.

Thus, it follows that Muslims merit greater privilege. A Muslim, for example, may take any number of non-Muslim wives, but the reverse is illegal. Abandoning Islam is punishable by jail or death. No other religion is acceptable.

The next step in such a logical progression is clearly the necessity to force others to submit. Islam has become imbued with a kind of droit du seigneur — the extrajudicial, absolute rights of a lord of the manor — which cannot be argued with.

Saudis, for example — and this includes their most moderate and modernized leaders — feel it is perfectly natural to fund the building of hundreds of mosques in Europe, from London to Cologne, but cannot find a shred of logic in allowing the construction of a single church or Buddhist temple in Saudi Arabia, even though millions of Christian and Asian expatriates work there.

The scholarly journeys down such roads have served to legitimize the excessive aggression in hundreds of the religious edicts issued weekly by both legitimate and rogue Muslim scholars — including the charlatans of Al Qaeda, who decree that killing infidels is a Muslim duty.

A Saudi expert on Islamic movements, Mshari Al Zaydi, who is the opinion page editor of the Saudi daily Asharq Al-Awsat, went to the heart of the matter in a remarkable essay a few days ago, in which he pointedly noted that Saudi religious leaders have never issued an outright renunciation of the religious thinking of Osama bin Laden.

The most the Saudi religious establishment has done, Mr. Zaydi wrote, is to "mildly state that Mr. bin Laden was simply an ‘erroneous mujtahid,'" — a term referring to those qualified to issue juridical opinions and edicts such as fatwas — "as though this man was not responsible for setting the Muslim world ablaze, taking it back centuries and much farther than its original backwardness." In Egypt, Jordan, and Morocco, the Muslim Brotherhood contests for power based on a single slogan: "Islam is the solution." Could it be that their version of Islam is also the problem?

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USA GOV is the worst terrorist of the world and they are not muslim
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USA GOV is the worst terrorist of the world and they are not muslim
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Not even close, myrmidon.
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." ---C.S. Lewis
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"The next step in such a logical progression is clearly the necessity to force others to submit. Islam has become imbued with a kind of droit du seigneur — the extrajudicial, absolute rights of a lord of the manor — which cannot be argued with."

EXACTLY! LOT OF PEOPLE DOESN’T UNDERSTAND HOW DANGER IS ISLAM.

IT IS SAME LIKE COMMUNIST SYSTEM IN USSR.

IF YOU PROTESTED AGAINST COMMUNIST GOVERNMENT,

THEY LOCK YOU IN CELL FOR CRAZY PEOPLE WITH EXPLANATION

"ONLY CRAZY PERSON CAN BE AGAINST BEST SYSTEM ON THE PLANET."

DIFFERNCE IS "ISLAM WILL CHOP YOUR HEAD OFF"
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The god in the bible is a bigger Terr0ri$t, having killed 250000 thousand folks by his own hand!


No pack n fudge...If you want to hate....hate on your own time...

Islam IS a religion of piece and those pictures (and most presented on the web) are Dis-info and are most likely STAGED!


Get over yourself and try to understand that only about 26% of folks here and across America believe your vaunted attempts at HATE!

Looser
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The god in the bible is a bigger Terr0ri$t, having killed 250000 thousand folks by his own hand!


No pack n fudge...If you want to hate....hate on your own time...

Islam IS a religion of piece and those pictures (and most presented on the web) are Dis-info and are most likely STAGED!


Get over yourself and try to understand that only about 26% of folks here and across America believe your vaunted attempts at HATE!

Looser
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Do you have any proof that God killed anyone or that he even exists? Go ahead and post it.

Also...you might be right. Upon closer examination of this photo, these might be Mexicans dressed up like Muslims to make Jews look bad on this forum. laugh

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"Islam IS a religion of piece"

Yeah! 'Cause they will cut off a piece of you!
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." ---C.S. Lewis
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GOD

WHAT DO YOU HAVE IN YOUR HEAD?/??/

IRA CATHOLIC
ETA CATHOLIC
RED BRIGADES PROTESTANT
FARC, CATHOLIC
TAMIL TIGERS, HINDU, KILLED MORE THAN ALL OTHERS COMBINED
UNIBOMBER ATHEIST
STERN GANG, JEWISH , STILL GOING (UNDER DISGUISED)


JUST TO NAME A VERY FEW

GL
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The god in the bible is a bigger Terr0ri$t, having killed 250000 thousand folks by his own hand!


No pack n fudge...If you want to hate....hate on your own time...

Islam IS a religion of piece and those pictures (and most presented on the web) are Dis-info and are most likely STAGED!


Get over yourself and try to understand that only about 26% of folks here and across America believe your vaunted attempts at HATE!

Looser
 Quoting: Shhh 117656

ARE YOU SURE?

Kill those against Islam:
"The only reward of those who make war upon Allah and His messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be that they will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. Such will be their degradation in the world, and in the Hereafter," (Quran 5:33).

Slay non-muslims:
"Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful," (Quran 9:5).
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The god in the bible is a bigger Terr0ri$t, having killed 250000 thousand folks by his own hand!


No pack n fudge...If you want to hate....hate on your own time...

Islam IS a religion of piece and those pictures (and most presented on the web) are Dis-info and are most likely STAGED!


Get over yourself and try to understand that only about 26% of folks here and across America believe your vaunted attempts at HATE!

Looser



Do you have any proof that God killed anyone or that he even exists? Go ahead and post it. (snip)
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You proved my point! NEITHER EXIST!!

....All you have is photos and a bunch of talking points given to you by biased sources...our Gov!...

...When was the last time you SAW WITH YOUR OWN EYES a Muslem Terr0ri$t here on our soil?...OR ANY SOIL!!?

...let me guess, you haven't. You didn't on 911 and you didn't any time before or since on our soil...heck...they wern't even labled that 'till WE GAVE THEM THAT LABLE!!...convenient..

...I challaenge you to show me a document BEFORE 1992 that even states the word Al'quida....you can't because that word DIDN'T EXIST BEFORE WE CREATED THE WORD TO BE ASSOCIATED WITH THE WORD TERR0RI$T!!


Karma a Bitch and you will feel her wrath!
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"Islam IS a religion of piece"

Yeah! 'Cause they will cut off a piece of you!
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STFU
The CIA's "Operation Cyclone" - Stirring the Hornet's Nest of Islamic Unrest



Sun Oct 27 01:09:29 2002

[Zbigniew] Brzezinski not long ago revealed that on July 3, 1979, unknown to the American public and Congress, President Jimmy Carter secretly authorised $500million to create an international terrorist movement that would spread Islamic fundamentalism in Central Asia and "destabilise" the Soviet Union...

The CIA called this Operation Cyclone and in the following years poured $4billion into setting up Islamic training schools in Pakistan (Taliban means "student").

Young zealots were sent to the CIA's spy training camp in Virginia, where future members of al-Qaeda were taught "sabotage skills" - terrorism.

Others were recruited at an Islamic school in Brooklyn, New York, within sight of the fated Twin Towers.

In Pakistan, they were directed by British MI6 officers and trained by the SAS.

The result, quipped Brzezinski, was "a few stirred up Muslims" - meaning the Taliban.

The Wall Street Journal declared: "The Taliban are the players most capable of achieving peace. Moreover, they were crucial to secure the country as a prime trans-shipment route for the export of Central Asia's vast oil, gas and other natural resources."

No American newspaper dares suggest that the prisoners in Camp X-Ray are the product of this policy, nor that it was one of the factors that led to the attacks of September 11.

Nor do they ask: who were the real winners of September 11?

The day the Wall Street stockmarket opened after the destruction of the Twin Towers, the few companies showing increased value were the giant military contractors Alliant Tech Systems, Northrop Gruman, Raytheon (a contributor to New Labour) and Lockheed Martin.

As the US military's biggest supplier, Lockheed Martin's share value rose by a staggering 30 per cent.

Within six weeks of September 11, the company (with its main plant in Texas, George Bush's home state) had secured the biggest military order in history: a $200billion contract to develop a new fighter aircraft. The greatest taboo of all, which Orwell would surely recognise, is the record of the United States as a terrorist state and haven for terrorists.

This truth is virtually unknown by the American public and makes a mockery of Bush's (and Blair's) statements about "tracking down terrorists wherever they are."

They don't have to look far.

Florida, currently governed by the President's brother, Jeb Bush, has given refuge to terrorists who, like the September 11 gang, have hi-jacked aircraft and boats with guns and knives.

Most have never had criminal charges brought against them.

Why? All of them are anti-Castro Cubans. Former Guatemalan Defence Minister Gramajo Morales, who was accused of "devising and directing an indiscriminate campaign of terror against civilians", including the torture of an American nun and the massacre of eight people from one family, studied at Harvard University on a US government scholarship.

During the 1980s, thousands of people were murdered by death squads connected to the army of El Salvador, whose former chief now lives comfortably in Florida.

The former Haitian dictator, General Prosper Avril, liked to display the bloodied victims of his torture on television.

When he was overthrown, he was flown to Florida by the US government, and granted political asylum.

A leading member of the Chilean military during the reign of General Pinochet, whose special responsibility was executions and torture, lives in Miami.

THE Iranian general who ran Iran's notorious prisons, is a wealthy exile in the US.

One of Pol Pot's senior henchmen, who enticed Cambodian exiles back to their certain death, lives in Mount Vernon, New York.

What all these people have in common, apart from their history of terrorism, is that they either worked directly for the US government or carried out the dirty work of US policies.

The al-Qaeda training camps are kindergartens compared with the world's leading university of terrorism at Fort Benning in Georgia. Known until recently as the School of the Americas, its graduates include almost half the cabinet ministers of the genocidal regimes in Guatemala, two thirds of the El Salvadorean army officers who committed, according to the United Nations, the worst atrocities of that country's civil war, and the head of Pinochet's secret police, who ran Chile's concentration camps.

There is terrible irony at work here. The humane response of people all over the world to the terrorism of September 11 has long been hijacked by those running a rapacious great power with a history of terrorism second to none. Global supremacy, not the defeat of terrorism, is the goal; only the politically blind believe otherwise.
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The god in the bible is a bigger Terr0ri$t, having killed 250000 thousand folks by his own hand!


No pack n fudge...If you want to hate....hate on your own time...

Islam IS a religion of piece and those pictures (and most presented on the web) are Dis-info and are most likely STAGED!


Get over yourself and try to understand that only about 26% of folks here and across America believe your vaunted attempts at HATE!

Looser
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Spell Check is your friend:

How do you suggest that videos of beheading have been staged? Or that burning effigy's in the street have been staged? YOU are dis-info.
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USA GOV is the worst terrorist of the world and they are not muslim
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Exactly. The US government is the #1 terrorist, and uses Christianity (!) as its excuse. How "turning the other cheek" can become "blow them all up," I don't know.

The #2 terrorist is the Israeli government, which uses Judaism as its excuse.
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The god in the bible is a bigger Terr0ri$t, having killed 250000 thousand folks by his own hand!


No pack n fudge...If you want to hate....hate on your own time...

Islam IS a religion of piece and those pictures (and most presented on the web) are Dis-info and are most likely STAGED!


Get over yourself and try to understand that only about 26% of folks here and across America believe your vaunted attempts at HATE!

Looser



Spell Check is your friend:

How do you suggest that videos of beheading have been staged? Or that burning effigy's in the street have been staged? YOU are dis-info.
 Quoting: Gradient


Spell check this...FU

If you have an imagination then you can easily see how these could be staged....along with the OBL videos....sucks for the beheaded to be used in such a unproductive way...mere ploys, but to say that the possibilities aren't there is just stupid...

...funny how they always were a mask....hmmmm, I mean for folks that are so sure of what they believe in....I am suprised they didn't put a mask on the beheaded.

...the better consern/worry is the type of person/country that could stage these types of horrors...in the name of DEMOCRACY.

Now you two go play nicely in the sandbox and enough of this arguing over who is the worst enemy.
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The vast majority of people spend their lives as best they can while doing all they can to improve the lives and futures of their children. This applies to people of all faiths as well as people of no faith.

I think there are several conditions at play with Islam that have led to this 'perfect storm' of a religion defined by terrorism:

- History. The aggression and conquests in the name of Allah by the founder and prophet of Islam is a pattern and justification used by terrorists. Mohammed's own behavior is a yardstick that measures and sanctions the behavior of other Muslims.

- Poverty of Consciousness. This is predominately an insular culture that lives in the 10th century and attempts to force its 10th century vision on a 21st century population.

- Emphasis on the Material. There is an intense focus on the material plane by extremists.

- Moderate Muslims are suppressed through fear for their own lives.

- Hatred of others (non-muslims) is used to deflect attention away from themselves.
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The vast majority of people spend their lives as best they can while doing all they can to improve the lives and futures of their children. This applies to people of all faiths as well as people of no faith.

I think there are several conditions at play with Islam that have led to this 'perfect storm' of a religion defined by terrorism:

- History. The aggression and conquests in the name of Allah by the founder and prophet of Islam is a pattern and justification used by terrorists. Mohammed's own behavior is a yardstick that measures and sanctions the behavior of other Muslims.

- Poverty of Consciousness. This is predominately an insular culture that lives in the 10th century and attempts to force its 10th century vision on a 21st century population.

- Emphasis on the Material. There is an intense focus on the material plane by extremists.

- Moderate Muslims are suppressed through fear for their own lives.

- Hatred of others (non-muslims) is used to deflect attention away from themselves.
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GOD

WHAT DO YOU HAVE IN YOUR HEAD?/??/

IRA CATHOLIC
ETA CATHOLIC
RED BRIGADES PROTESTANT
FARC, CATHOLIC
TAMIL TIGERS, HINDU, KILLED MORE THAN ALL OTHERS COMBINED
UNIBOMBER ATHEIST
STERN GANG, JEWISH , STILL GOING (UNDER DISGUISED)


JUST TO NAME A VERY FEW

GL
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Bumping your post as you've pretty much already disproved this bullshit, and I don't think some people want to read this truth.
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The god in the bible is a bigger Terr0ri$t, having killed 250000 thousand folks by his own hand!


No pack n fudge...If you want to hate....hate on your own time...

Islam IS a religion of piece and those pictures (and most presented on the web) are Dis-info and are most likely STAGED!


Get over yourself and try to understand that only about 26% of folks here and across America believe your vaunted attempts at HATE!

Looser



Do you have any proof that God killed anyone or that he even exists? Go ahead and post it. (snip)


You proved my point! NEITHER EXIST!!

....All you have is photos and a bunch of talking points given to you by biased sources...our Gov!...

...When was the last time you SAW WITH YOUR OWN EYES a Muslem Terr0ri$t here on our soil?...OR ANY SOIL!!?

...let me guess, you haven't. You didn't on 911 and you didn't any time before or since on our soil...heck...they wern't even labled that 'till WE GAVE THEM THAT LABLE!!...convenient..

...I challaenge you to show me a document BEFORE 1992 that even states the word Al'quida....you can't because that word DIDN'T EXIST BEFORE WE CREATED THE WORD TO BE ASSOCIATED WITH THE WORD TERR0RI$T!!


Karma a Bitch and you will feel her wrath!
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"...When was the last time you SAW WITH YOUR OWN EYES a Muslem Terr0ri$t here on our soil?...OR ANY SOIL!!?"

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is'nt it kinda strange that since 911 there's been no islamic terrorism in the usa, because they would have no problems getting in, what with the borders wide open? A lot of them could easily disguise themselves as mexican and take a few thousand american citizens out with "suicide bombers".

It's probably because there never has been any islamic terrorists in the usa.
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ATTENTION! ATTENTION!

Islam Religion of Peace in action
............................................................

Convicted Adulterer Stoned to Death in Iran

Tuesday, July 10, 2007

TEHRAN, Iran — In a rare confirmation, Iran on Tuesday said a man convicted of adultery was stoned to death last week in a village in the northern part of the country, Iran's judiciary spokesman said.

Jafar Kiani was stoned to death in Aghchekand village, 124 miles west of the capital, Tehran, on Thursday, Ali Reza Jamshidi told reporters. It was the first time in years that Iran has confirmed such an execution.

"This verdict was carried out Thursday," Jamshidi told reporters.

Death sentences are carried out in Iran after they are upheld by the Supreme Court. Under Iran's Islamic law, adultery is punishable by stoning.

Jamshidi didn't elaborate on how the stoning was carried out, but under Islamic rulings, a male convict is usually buried up to his waist while a female criminal is buried up to her neck with her hands also buried.

Those carrying out the verdict start throwing stones and rocks at the convict until he or she dies.
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"Islam IS a religion of piece"

Yeah! 'Cause they will cut off a piece of you!

STFU
The CIA's "Operation Cyclone" - Stirring the Hornet's Nest of Islamic Unrest



Sun Oct 27 01:09:29 2002

[Zbigniew] Brzezinski not long ago revealed that on July 3, 1979, unknown to the American public and Congress, President Jimmy Carter secretly authorised $500million to create an international terrorist movement that would spread Islamic fundamentalism in Central Asia and "destabilise" the Soviet Union...

The CIA called this Operation Cyclone and in the following years poured $4billion into setting up Islamic training schools in Pakistan (Taliban means "student").

Young zealots were sent to the CIA's spy training camp in Virginia, where future members of al-Qaeda were taught "sabotage skills" - terrorism.

Others were recruited at an Islamic school in Brooklyn, New York, within sight of the fated Twin Towers.

In Pakistan, they were directed by British MI6 officers and trained by the SAS.

The result, quipped Brzezinski, was "a few stirred up Muslims" - meaning the Taliban.

The Wall Street Journal declared: "The Taliban are the players most capable of achieving peace. Moreover, they were crucial to secure the country as a prime trans-shipment route for the export of Central Asia's vast oil, gas and other natural resources."

No American newspaper dares suggest that the prisoners in Camp X-Ray are the product of this policy, nor that it was one of the factors that led to the attacks of September 11.

Nor do they ask: who were the real winners of September 11?

The day the Wall Street stockmarket opened after the destruction of the Twin Towers, the few companies showing increased value were the giant military contractors Alliant Tech Systems, Northrop Gruman, Raytheon (a contributor to New Labour) and Lockheed Martin.

As the US military's biggest supplier, Lockheed Martin's share value rose by a staggering 30 per cent.

Within six weeks of September 11, the company (with its main plant in Texas, George Bush's home state) had secured the biggest military order in history: a $200billion contract to develop a new fighter aircraft. The greatest taboo of all, which Orwell would surely recognise, is the record of the United States as a terrorist state and haven for terrorists.

This truth is virtually unknown by the American public and makes a mockery of Bush's (and Blair's) statements about "tracking down terrorists wherever they are."

They don't have to look far.

Florida, currently governed by the President's brother, Jeb Bush, has given refuge to terrorists who, like the September 11 gang, have hi-jacked aircraft and boats with guns and knives.

Most have never had criminal charges brought against them.

Why? All of them are anti-Castro Cubans. Former Guatemalan Defence Minister Gramajo Morales, who was accused of "devising and directing an indiscriminate campaign of terror against civilians", including the torture of an American nun and the massacre of eight people from one family, studied at Harvard University on a US government scholarship.

During the 1980s, thousands of people were murdered by death squads connected to the army of El Salvador, whose former chief now lives comfortably in Florida.

The former Haitian dictator, General Prosper Avril, liked to display the bloodied victims of his torture on television.

When he was overthrown, he was flown to Florida by the US government, and granted political asylum.

A leading member of the Chilean military during the reign of General Pinochet, whose special responsibility was executions and torture, lives in Miami.

THE Iranian general who ran Iran's notorious prisons, is a wealthy exile in the US.

One of Pol Pot's senior henchmen, who enticed Cambodian exiles back to their certain death, lives in Mount Vernon, New York.

What all these people have in common, apart from their history of terrorism, is that they either worked directly for the US government or carried out the dirty work of US policies.

The al-Qaeda training camps are kindergartens compared with the world's leading university of terrorism at Fort Benning in Georgia. Known until recently as the School of the Americas, its graduates include almost half the cabinet ministers of the genocidal regimes in Guatemala, two thirds of the El Salvadorean army officers who committed, according to the United Nations, the worst atrocities of that country's civil war, and the head of Pinochet's secret police, who ran Chile's concentration camps.

There is terrible irony at work here. The humane response of people all over the world to the terrorism of September 11 has long been hijacked by those running a rapacious great power with a history of terrorism second to none. Global supremacy, not the defeat of terrorism, is the goal; only the politically blind believe otherwise.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 244936
excellent post, but the lemmings still wont get the reality here, the elite know this, and so the lies go on!
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The god in the bible is a bigger Terr0ri$t, having killed 250000 thousand folks by his own hand!


No pack n fudge...If you want to hate....hate on your own time...

Islam IS a religion of piece and those pictures (and most presented on the web) are Dis-info and are most likely STAGED!


Get over yourself and try to understand that only about 26% of folks here and across America believe your vaunted attempts at HATE!

Looser



Do you have any proof that God killed anyone or that he even exists? Go ahead and post it. (snip)


You proved my point! NEITHER EXIST!!

....All you have is photos and a bunch of talking points given to you by biased sources...our Gov!...

...When was the last time you SAW WITH YOUR OWN EYES a Muslem Terr0ri$t here on our soil?...OR ANY SOIL!!?

...let me guess, you haven't. You didn't on 911 and you didn't any time before or since on our soil...heck...they wern't even labled that 'till WE GAVE THEM THAT LABLE!!...convenient..

...I challaenge you to show me a document BEFORE 1992 that even states the word Al'quida....you can't because that word DIDN'T EXIST BEFORE WE CREATED THE WORD TO BE ASSOCIATED WITH THE WORD TERR0RI$T!!


Karma a Bitch and you will feel her wrath!

"...When was the last time you SAW WITH YOUR OWN EYES a Muslem Terr0ri$t here on our soil?...OR ANY SOIL!!?"

:islmshoe:
London-born Richard Reid has been sentenced in the United States after admitting trying to blow up a commercial flight using bombs hidden in his shoes.
 Quoting: jarha


What was he doing in Israel one year before he tried to blow the plane:

Mr Reid is known to have flown from Amsterdam to Israel last year on the country's national airline El Al,...
tachik0ma
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The god in the bible is a bigger Terr0ri$t, having killed 250000 thousand folks by his own hand!


No pack n fudge...If you want to hate....hate on your own time...

Islam IS a religion of piece and those pictures (and most presented on the web) are Dis-info and are most likely STAGED!


Get over yourself and try to understand that only about 26% of folks here and across America believe your vaunted attempts at HATE!

Looser

ARE YOU SURE?

Kill those against Islam:
"The only reward of those who make war upon Allah and His messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be that they will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. Such will be their degradation in the world, and in the Hereafter," (Quran 5:33).

Slay non-muslims:
"Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful," (Quran 9:5).
 Quoting: jarha


"those who make war", do you expect them to sit down like stupid goyims and turn the other cheek will you "make war".

And I fully agree with the rest of that statement, as others do:
[link to abcnews.go.com]
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"Islam IS a religion of piece"

Yeah! 'Cause they will cut off a piece of you!

STFU
The CIA's "Operation Cyclone" - Stirring the Hornet's Nest of Islamic Unrest



Sun Oct 27 01:09:29 2002

[Zbigniew] Brzezinski not long ago revealed that on July 3, 1979, unknown to the American public and Congress, President Jimmy Carter secretly authorised $500million to create an international terrorist movement that would spread Islamic fundamentalism in Central Asia and "destabilise" the Soviet Union...

The CIA called this Operation Cyclone and in the following years poured $4billion into setting up Islamic training schools in Pakistan (Taliban means "student").

Young zealots were sent to the CIA's spy training camp in Virginia, where future members of al-Qaeda were taught "sabotage skills" - terrorism.

Others were recruited at an Islamic school in Brooklyn, New York, within sight of the fated Twin Towers.

In Pakistan, they were directed by British MI6 officers and trained by the SAS.

The result, quipped Brzezinski, was "a few stirred up Muslims" - meaning the Taliban.

The Wall Street Journal declared: "The Taliban are the players most capable of achieving peace. Moreover, they were crucial to secure the country as a prime trans-shipment route for the export of Central Asia's vast oil, gas and other natural resources."

No American newspaper dares suggest that the prisoners in Camp X-Ray are the product of this policy, nor that it was one of the factors that led to the attacks of September 11.

Nor do they ask: who were the real winners of September 11?

The day the Wall Street stockmarket opened after the destruction of the Twin Towers, the few companies showing increased value were the giant military contractors Alliant Tech Systems, Northrop Gruman, Raytheon (a contributor to New Labour) and Lockheed Martin.

As the US military's biggest supplier, Lockheed Martin's share value rose by a staggering 30 per cent.

Within six weeks of September 11, the company (with its main plant in Texas, George Bush's home state) had secured the biggest military order in history: a $200billion contract to develop a new fighter aircraft. The greatest taboo of all, which Orwell would surely recognise, is the record of the United States as a terrorist state and haven for terrorists.

This truth is virtually unknown by the American public and makes a mockery of Bush's (and Blair's) statements about "tracking down terrorists wherever they are."

They don't have to look far.

Florida, currently governed by the President's brother, Jeb Bush, has given refuge to terrorists who, like the September 11 gang, have hi-jacked aircraft and boats with guns and knives.

Most have never had criminal charges brought against them.

Why? All of them are anti-Castro Cubans. Former Guatemalan Defence Minister Gramajo Morales, who was accused of "devising and directing an indiscriminate campaign of terror against civilians", including the torture of an American nun and the massacre of eight people from one family, studied at Harvard University on a US government scholarship.

During the 1980s, thousands of people were murdered by death squads connected to the army of El Salvador, whose former chief now lives comfortably in Florida.

The former Haitian dictator, General Prosper Avril, liked to display the bloodied victims of his torture on television.

When he was overthrown, he was flown to Florida by the US government, and granted political asylum.

A leading member of the Chilean military during the reign of General Pinochet, whose special responsibility was executions and torture, lives in Miami.

THE Iranian general who ran Iran's notorious prisons, is a wealthy exile in the US.

One of Pol Pot's senior henchmen, who enticed Cambodian exiles back to their certain death, lives in Mount Vernon, New York.

What all these people have in common, apart from their history of terrorism, is that they either worked directly for the US government or carried out the dirty work of US policies.

The al-Qaeda training camps are kindergartens compared with the world's leading university of terrorism at Fort Benning in Georgia. Known until recently as the School of the Americas, its graduates include almost half the cabinet ministers of the genocidal regimes in Guatemala, two thirds of the El Salvadorean army officers who committed, according to the United Nations, the worst atrocities of that country's civil war, and the head of Pinochet's secret police, who ran Chile's concentration camps.

There is terrible irony at work here. The humane response of people all over the world to the terrorism of September 11 has long been hijacked by those running a rapacious great power with a history of terrorism second to none. Global supremacy, not the defeat of terrorism, is the goal; only the politically blind believe otherwise.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 244936


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London-born Richard Reid has been sentenced in the United States after admitting trying to blow up a commercial flight using bombs hidden in his shoes.


What was he doing in Israel one year before he tried to blow the plane:

Mr Reid is known to have flown from Amsterdam to Israel last year on the country's national airline El Al,...
 Quoting: tachik0ma 264216

[link to news.bbc.co.uk]
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The god in the bible is a bigger Terr0ri$t, having killed 250000 thousand folks by his own hand!


No pack n fudge...If you want to hate....hate on your own time...

Islam IS a religion of piece and those pictures (and most presented on the web) are Dis-info and are most likely STAGED!


Get over yourself and try to understand that only about 26% of folks here and across America believe your vaunted attempts at HATE!

Looser
------------------------------------------------------------

ARE YOU SURE?

Kill those against Islam:
"The only reward of those who make war upon Allah and His messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be that they will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. Such will be their degradation in the world, and in the Hereafter," (Quran 5:33).

Slay non-muslims:
"Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful," (Quran 9:5).
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"those who make war", do you expect them to sit down like stupid goyims and turn the other cheek will you "make war".

And I fully agree with the rest of that statement, as others do:

[link to abcnews.go.com]
 Quoting: tachik0ma 264216

tachik0ma, can you explain to us "how is war made on Allah and His messenger?"
jarha

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The god in the bible is a bigger Terr0ri$t, having killed 250000 thousand folks by his own hand!


No pack n fudge...If you want to hate....hate on your own time...

Islam IS a religion of piece and those pictures (and most presented on the web) are Dis-info and are most likely STAGED!

Get over yourself and try to understand that only about 26% of folks here and across America believe your vaunted attempts at HATE!

Looser
------------------------------------------------------------

Do you have any proof that God killed anyone or that he even exists? Go ahead and post it. (snip)

You proved my point! NEITHER EXIST!!

....All you have is photos and a bunch of talking points given to you by biased sources...our Gov!...

...When was the last time you SAW WITH YOUR OWN EYES a Muslem Terr0ri$t here on our soil?...OR ANY SOIL!!?

...let me guess, you haven't. You didn't on 911 and you didn't any time before or since on our soil...heck...they wern't even labled that 'till WE GAVE THEM THAT LABLE!!...convenient..

...I challaenge you to show me a document BEFORE 1992 that even states the word Al'quida....you can't because that word DIDN'T EXIST BEFORE WE CREATED THE WORD TO BE ASSOCIATED WITH THE WORD TERR0RI$T!!

Karma a Bitch and you will feel her wrath!

"...When was the last time you SAW WITH YOUR OWN EYES a Muslem Terr0ri$t here on our soil?...OR ANY SOIL!!?"
------------------------------------------------------------

:islmshoe:
London-born Richard Reid has been sentenced in the United States after admitting trying to blow up a commercial flight using bombs hidden in his shoes.

What was he doing in Israel one year before he tried to blow the plane:

Mr Reid is known to have flown from Amsterdam to Israel last year on the country's national airline El Al,...
 Quoting: tachik0ma 264216

What was he doing in Israel one year before he tried to blow the plane:

The scouting report describes an operative known as "Brother Abdul Ra'uff" who carries out the same trips.

An unnamed US official quoted by AP news agency says it is believed that "Abdul Ra'uff" and Richard Reid are the same man.

Like Mr Reid, the operative travelled on a British passport and was closely questioned by Israeli security.

"Brother Ra'uff" is said to have found exceptionally good targets for attacks in Israel and Egypt.
[link to news.bbc.co.uk]
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The god in the bible is a bigger Terr0ri$t, having killed 250000 thousand folks by his own hand!


No pack n fudge...If you want to hate....hate on your own time...

Islam IS a religion of piece and those pictures (and most presented on the web) are Dis-info and are most likely STAGED!


Get over yourself and try to understand that only about 26% of folks here and across America believe your vaunted attempts at HATE!

Looser



Do you have any proof that God killed anyone or that he even exists? Go ahead and post it. (snip)


You proved my point! NEITHER EXIST!!

....All you have is photos and a bunch of talking points given to you by biased sources...our Gov!...

...When was the last time you SAW WITH YOUR OWN EYES a Muslem Terr0ri$t here on our soil?...OR ANY SOIL!!?

...let me guess, you haven't. You didn't on 911 and you didn't any time before or since on our soil...heck...they wern't even labled that 'till WE GAVE THEM THAT LABLE!!...convenient..

...I challaenge you to show me a document BEFORE 1992 that even states the word Al'quida....you can't because that word DIDN'T EXIST BEFORE WE CREATED THE WORD TO BE ASSOCIATED WITH THE WORD TERR0RI$T!!


Karma a Bitch and you will feel her wrath!

"...When was the last time you SAW WITH YOUR OWN EYES a Muslem Terr0ri$t here on our soil?...OR ANY SOIL!!?"

:islmshoe:
London-born Richard Reid has been sentenced in the United States after admitting trying to blow up a commercial flight using bombs hidden in his shoes.
 Quoting: jarha

Jar-head...I know that you are simply trying to stirr up things here which makes for good debate..

...but can you not see that at any time YOUR MOM could admit to these kind of acts?...

...even if it was to just save the likes of even you.


If you believe these are true acts of Terr0ri$m....

...then your mom would make the wrong choice.
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Questioning Whether Islam Is Religion of Peace
By YOUSSEF IBRAHIM
July 9, 2007

(While the knee-jerk response is still to brand as "bigots" all those who call upon Muslims to confront and work against the violence engendered by Islamic teaching, Youssef Ibrahim is not afraid to stand up and speak the truth.)

The latest batch of attacks by Islamic terrorists raised fresh concerns among Muslims over what they fear may be "heinous attempts" to link terror with Islam.

British Muslims, who number 1.6 million, are reportedly funding advertising campaigns across Britain that proclaim Islam is "the religion of peace" — in the process also implicitly warning fellow Britons against criticizing their faith.

Yet a year ago, a weighty Muslim writer and pundit, Abdelrahman Al Rashed, manager of the pan-Arab TV network Al-Arabiya Television, famously launched a stormy debate when he opined, "While all Muslims are not terrorists, all terrorists are now Muslims."

Ever since, the question among Muslim scholars and activists is precisely how much of the terror inspired by Islam is due to the faith itself — and how much is due to the way it is being preached.

Clearly, the issue is enormously delicate, fraught with the pitfalls of prejudice and all sorts of other sensitivities.

But as hundreds of thousands of people from New York to Baghdad are butchered under Islam's banners, failing to tackle it head-on is unacceptable.

Reasonable Muslims now agree that when a religion veers so far off course, it loses immunity to inquisition. "We ought to go through very serious questioning and soul-searching," a founder of the Muslim Public Affairs Council, Dr. Maher Hathout, wrote on "The American Muslim" Web site Thursday. "How did we, as a group, fail to nip this ugly phenomenon in the bud?" he asks. "How did we indulge in the luxury of theoretical debates, and craft all kinds of euphemisms to let this go on, spill out, and grow?"

The bare facts are there for all to see: Over the past 40 years or so, Islam's millions of fanatical preachers and political operatives have represented the religion as one of an "oppressed" people, victimized for centuries by the multiple ogres of Christianity, Judaism, and secularism. Listen to many preachers, read several interpretations of the Muslim holy book, or go to a variety of madrassas from Pakistan to Saudi Arabia, and you will quickly learn that Islam's central value, bar none, is jihad.

Far from a religion of peace, these clerics have "weaponized" Islam's text and the Koran into a war manifesto against even fellow Muslims — as between Shiites and Sunnis.


Raising the bar further, most Muslim scholarship of today maintains the refrain that Islam is not meant to be another religion, but the most definitive of God's revelations to man. As Muslim children are told daily, the Prophet Muhammad is not only the last of God's prophets, but the most authoritative.

Thus, it follows that Muslims merit greater privilege. A Muslim, for example, may take any number of non-Muslim wives, but the reverse is illegal. Abandoning Islam is punishable by jail or death. No other religion is acceptable.

The next step in such a logical progression is clearly the necessity to force others to submit. Islam has become imbued with a kind of droit du seigneur — the extrajudicial, absolute rights of a lord of the manor — which cannot be argued with.

Saudis, for example — and this includes their most moderate and modernized leaders — feel it is perfectly natural to fund the building of hundreds of mosques in Europe, from London to Cologne, but cannot find a shred of logic in allowing the construction of a single church or Buddhist temple in Saudi Arabia, even though millions of Christian and Asian expatriates work there.

The scholarly journeys down such roads have served to legitimize the excessive aggression in hundreds of the religious edicts issued weekly by both legitimate and rogue Muslim scholars — including the charlatans of Al Qaeda, who decree that killing infidels is a Muslim duty.

A Saudi expert on Islamic movements, Mshari Al Zaydi, who is the opinion page editor of the Saudi daily Asharq Al-Awsat, went to the heart of the matter in a remarkable essay a few days ago, in which he pointedly noted that Saudi religious leaders have never issued an outright renunciation of the religious thinking of Osama bin Laden.

The most the Saudi religious establishment has done, Mr. Zaydi wrote, is to "mildly state that Mr. bin Laden was simply an ‘erroneous mujtahid,'" — a term referring to those qualified to issue juridical opinions and edicts such as fatwas — "as though this man was not responsible for setting the Muslim world ablaze, taking it back centuries and much farther than its original backwardness." In Egypt, Jordan, and Morocco, the Muslim Brotherhood contests for power based on a single slogan: "Islam is the solution." Could it be that their version of Islam is also the problem?

[link to www.nysun.com]


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The god in the bible is a bigger Terr0ri$t, having killed 250000 thousand folks by his own hand!


No pack n fudge...If you want to hate....hate on your own time...

Islam IS a religion of piece and those pictures (and most presented on the web) are Dis-info and are most likely STAGED!


Get over yourself and try to understand that only about 26% of folks here and across America believe your vaunted attempts at HATE!

Looser
------------------------------------------------------------

ARE YOU SURE?

Kill those against Islam:
"The only reward of those who make war upon Allah and His messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be that they will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. Such will be their degradation in the world, and in the Hereafter," (Quran 5:33).

Slay non-muslims:
"Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful," (Quran 9:5).
------------------------------------------------------------

"those who make war", do you expect them to sit down like stupid goyims and turn the other cheek will you "make war".

And I fully agree with the rest of that statement, as others do:

[link to abcnews.go.com]

tachik0ma, can you explain to us "how is war made on Allah and His messenger?"
 Quoting: jarha


I dunno, ask the half millions dead irakis.





GLP