Rapture is Biggest Lie In Prophetic History

Are you holy?

Are you perfect in all of your understandings of all of the Things of God?

Is it possible that you do not know everything?

OP, why do YOU say that Jesus Christ would want to reward His Church with being cast into the sufferings of The Wrath of God?

OP, do you believe in Jesus Christ?

Do you want OP to ruin his life?

Howso?

(In Christ-ian metaphysics)

God allowed the possibility of free will. Suffering is always an individual choice, to resist pain. Pain is the product of individual choice (not necessary for growth). That pain often leads to growth is called "Grace".



(In Christ-ian metaphysics)

Christ dying is the incarnation of God taking responsibility for sin (error, corruption), even though sin is the product of human choices, not the intent of God. The promise of God in the offering of Christ on the altar of Golgatha is that all it takes is to accept Christ as Lord and Savior to be spared from eternal torment. God's justice is perfect. God's mercy is also perfect, manifested in the option to be represented before God by Christ, as Christ. It is your choice whether to take this option. However, it is taught that none can ever measure up to the righteous standard of God, and so all are in need of Christ's mediation.



(In Christ-ian metaphysics)

All deserve to be destroyed, because all are corrupt. God offers mercy through Christ, the perfect and final sacrifice. It is written that some are raptured, some are saved throughout the tribulation period, a few are reborn to serve a purpose in the end times. That anyone is raptured or saved at all is the scandalous mercy of God.



You might be correct.

For those of you who would like to know more about the Rapture here are some interesting and well written Chick illustrated tracts on this important subject.

WHERE DID THEY GO?... [link to www.chick.com (secure)]

HERE HE COMES!... [link to www.chick.com (secure)]

LETS FLY AWAY!... [link to www.chick.com (secure)]

THINGS TO COME?... [link to www.chick.com (secure)]

why do you not know rapture is not part of prophesy... it was one of the mysteries held secret since the foundations of the world and was only revealed through Paul... GOD tells us through 2nd Timothy to "rightly divide the word of truth" ... you are not...

Are you?

No, I am a believer in Jesus Christ.

You?

I agree with the substance of your argument that God, in fact, allows (even purposes) the suffering of His people.

To say that the rapture is a complete lie is not Biblical.

It sounds like what you mean is that a Pre-trib rapture is a lie, and that is absolutely true.

There will be a rapture, but it will not occur until the end of time, after the man of sin has overcome the saints and killed most of us. There will be very few "remaining" (surviving) at the the return of Christ.

1 Thessalonians 4:15-17
For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

There will be a rapture. The dead saints bodies will be resurrected first, then those who are alive and surviving on the earth will be changed in the twinkling of an eye, and be caught up (raptured) to meet them in the air.

If you have to label it, it would be more accurate to call it a pre-wrath rapture. Once God catches us up in the air, the vials of His wrath will be poured out on the inhabitants of the earth.

That is where the pre-tribbers get confused. They confuse God's wrath with tribulation, which are not the same. We are not appointed to wrath (vials at the end) but to receive salvation. (1 Thessalonians 5:9) They interpret that verse as, "We are not appointed to suffer tribulation....," but that makes absolutely no sense, as you explained in your post. On the contrary, we are promised tribulation (even unto death) in multiple places.

Rapture is a fact. It can only be pre-millennial, since all warnings from Jesus to His people are that He can return at any moment. NO OTHER INTERPRETATION WORKS.

By the way, any Christian agreeing with OP, the person with the demonic sigil as their avatar, should consider the spirit behind the message that they're aligning with.

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Matthew 28:18-20
18 Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”

Mark 1:15
"The time has come," he said. "The kingdom of God has come near. Repent and believe the good news!"

Matthew 24:37-39
37 because just as it was in Noah’s time, so it will be when the Son of Man comes. 38 In those days before the flood, people[a] were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage right up to the day when Noah went into the ark. 39 They were unaware of what was happening until the flood came and swept all of them away. That’s how it will be when the Son of Man appears.

39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

1 Thessalonians 4:17 KJV
Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

2 Peter 3:7,10 KJV
But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. [10] But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
Revelation 21:10 KJV

And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God.

“Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the world” (Matthew 5:5).

They will perish, but you endure; they will all wear out like a garment. You change them like clothing, and they pass away (Psalm 102:26).

For I am about to create new heavens and a new earth; the former things shall not be remembered or come to mind (Isaiah 65:17).

Christians do not know the hour of the day of Christ coming and the JUDGEMENT of the wicked.

But, Satan does control the dark places (central banks, welfare state, warfare states) and in those places the Saints fail. We are not destroyed by them. The wicked are.

As for the Rapture, the Word of God says when he comes he will save his church, create a new heaven/new earth and the wicked will be destroyed.

The verse you are describing is describing today. As Satan gains more control over the governments, prosecuting Christians, etc (already happens today), that verse is describing the coming of God.

When the Lord returns we meet him in the air AFTER THE TRIBULATION - read the book

That is a distraction to keep people from 'discovering' the Beloved Disciple was a woman named Mary of Bethany. She wrote the two most important books in all of the NT.

Having all the 'current Churches' deny that is an attempt to keeps 'the Clergy' a 'men only' club. Just the RCC would fully implode as the Mary they hold up is not as important and the woman who will stand beside Christ as His wife for eternity.

The utter failure of the Canadian Government for the last 70 years can also be 'blamed on it being a mens club' will see a reversal where women have the reins. They will have the same loyalty to the World Bank that men have always had, it will just be hidden better through all the 'goodies' that can suddenly be afforded. More than a few countries would be wearing similar shoes.

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The 6th and 7th vials are poured out after the two witnesses have finished a ministry in Jerusalem that last 3 1/2 years.

This happen when the world is celebrating that there is safety now the two witnesses are dead.
1Th:5:2:
For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
Re:11:7-10:
And when they shall have finished their testimony,
the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them,
and shall overcome them,
and kill them.
And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city,
which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt,
where also our Lord was crucified.
And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half,
and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.
And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them,
and make merry,
and shall send gifts one to another;
because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.
Re:16:15-21:
Behold,
I come as a thief.
Blessed is he that watcheth,
and keepeth his garments,
lest he walk naked,
and they see his shame.
And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air;
and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne,
saying,
It is done.
And there were voices,
and thunders,
and lightnings;
and there was a great earthquake,
such as was not since men were upon the earth,
so mighty an earthquake,
and so great.
And the great city was divided into three parts,
and the cities of the nations fell:
and great Babylon came in remembrance before God,
to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.
And every island fled away,
and the mountains were not found.
And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven,
every stone about the weight of a talent:
and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great.

Where's OP? It looks like people want to debate him.

Thread: Two Raptures to happen not one.

:p

B/c Jesus straight up said... "Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness' sake, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. Blessed are you when others revile you and persecute you and utter all kinds of evil against you falsely on my account. Rejoice and be glad, for your reward is great in heaven, for so they persecuted the prophets who were before you." -Matthew 5:10-12

W/ suffering and torment comes salvation.

Hey dude, God allowed all this suffering to allow us to be happy.

Yet we are all still suffering.

Hmm... something doesn't add up.

The way I think about it is; would most parents allow their own kids to suffer knowingly?

No.

End of discussion.

Free will is obviously God's most important gift to humans. If the Rapture were true, then imagine 1 billion Christians suddenly disappear from Earth. That would w/o a doubt prove to even the greatest atheists and skeptics God exists and they would repent. To me that's not how God operates. Never has been. Never will be.

Rapture is Biggest Lie In Prophetic History


It is, until it isn't.

I didn't know UK bots believed in anything besides Islam replacing your corporation contracts

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B/c the rapture was invented and popularized by John Nelson Darby. He lived from 1800-1882. If you went back in time and mentioned the rapture, Jesus would've never heard of it, none of his disciples, nobody until late 1800s.

To me if it says the Antichrist will make war w/ the saints and overcomes them... then it says "we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds", it says to me Christians will be nuked or a Holocaust happens to Christians and they're burned up and go into the clouds.

Some Christians do put the pre-trib rapture before all other prophetic beliefs. If the Antichrist appears and the pre-trib rapture is a lie, I see the Antichrist telling Christians, "Hey I can't possibly be the Antichrist... where's the rapture?" and Christians agreeing w/ it.

Most parents wouldn't allow their only son to be tortured on a cross either, but hey here we are! :D

It makes zero sense God allowed the biggest Biblical figures to be tortured then suddenly says okay no more torture for believers - BOOM! - rapture.

Look at history. Hebrews are the chosen ppl, yet half were tortured to death in WW2. If that's how God's closest ppl are treated, then what makes Christians think they'll have it any better?