Rapture happens after Tribulation. Seriously. Get it in order, times are going to get very tough in the next 10-15 years.

god damnit glp, why won't you let me post scripture to back up my work.

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Because people like you continually attempt to spam the place with the same thing

at least it would be sound doctrine and not some psycho babble

true op


a lot of people get raptured through death before that

but there is only one caught while yet alive moment

lmao

you believe that hippy jesus died for your sins because someone ate an enchanted apple from the forbidden tree.

also... adam and eve had 2 sons
think about that...

And you believe that you sprang from a puddle of infected goo.

So tell us, have they ever reproduced that in the lab? Life from chemicals. Don't lie. But you will lie because that is all you have.

Watched a doco years ago about some guys doing just this.

Don’t remember much about it , just that it was huge news at the time.

Maybe I’ll google it later..

This is all just made up.

You're waiting for the Tribulation and "tough" times, however, the Bible has instructed those "with ears to hear" that Christians are to:

"...eagerly wait for a Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ" Philippians 3:20

"...awaiting eagerly the revelation of our Lord Jesus Christ" 1 Corinthians 1:7

"...looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Christ Jesus" Titus 2:13

"...keep yourselves in the love of God, waiting anxiously for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ to eternal life" Jude 1:21

"...Be like men who are waiting for their master when he returns from the wedding feast, so that they may immediately open the door to him when he comes and knocks." Luke 12:36

"For we through the Spirit, by faith, are waiting for the hope of righteousness." Galatians 5:5

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Such language. Your witness is corrupted and called into question. But then again, you're pushing untruth.

Rev. 20
And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They[a] had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection.

Actually the Rapture is in Revelation in Chapt.4.

" 4 After this I looked, and there before me was a door standing open in heaven. And the voice I had first heard speaking to me like a trumpet said, “Come up here, and I will show you what must take place after this.”

The "After this" is referencing the "Church Age" as summarised in the previous 3 chapters.
The "Church" is not seen or spoken of on Earth in Revelation after this.

A question to you.
If the advent of the Savior is unknowable and could happen at any minute, the Rapture can't only happen at an appointed time in the future.
How is this doctrine of "eminence" given by Jesus himself to be squared with your stance?

rapture tard
we all go together
the blessed get changed in a twinkle
the rest to the sides of the pit

The voice is clearly speaking to John, the author of the book of Revelation, whom is having the visions. The next verse, Rev 4:2 begins: "And immediately, I was in the spirit."

I, meaning an individual, to whom the voice was speaking, to whom everything is being revealed to.

There are two raptures! Both by benevolent aliens / angels of God.

The first is for the 144,000 before the antichrist's reign. The second is for the Great Multitude after the antichrist's reign. Do you want to understand and know the end times calendar supported by prophecies proved to be true until now by facts in history? So, watch this video, long, but worth watching (you then will save time for your own future):



However, there is a third rapture, during the second one, for those preventing this second one to take place. Those people will go to the 'winepress of God', aka 'jails' in space 1,600 stadia high (300 kms) around the earth in the ET spaceships headquarters, aka the four horses bridles' altitude.

If you claim to be an obedient Christian, then it doesn't matter what people say. It matters what the Bible says. And the Bible says after the Tribulation comes the Harpazo. That harpazo happens immediately after the Abomination of Desolation.

You can only have an Abomination of Desolation in a consecrated holy place. The word in the Greek is "hagia". The Holy Spirit left the Holy of Holies in 33-34 AD when Jesus died on the cross. That is what the Bible says. You cannot desecrate what is no longer holy. It doesn't matter if the Romans crushed the Temple in 70 AD as it was longer holy not relevant. This is Basic Theology 101. Try to keep up.

The book of Hebrews in the New Testament clearly states the Jesus is the veil of the Holy of Holies. Therefore no matter what happens, if a new Temple were built tomorrow, it would NEVER be consecrated. Never. Why?

Jesus was the one time perfect sacrifice for the sins of the whole world except blasphemy of the Holy Spirit which Jesus said can never be forgiven. This means there will never be another Holy of Holies as that would abrogate the action of Jesus on the cross that gave grace to all who would receive it and receive Jesus as Lord and Savior.

You cannot desecrate what is never consecrated. Judaism is a false religion that has nothing to do with the Israelite religion. Look up the differences. They are distinct. 1 John 2 says if you reject Jesus you have neither Jesus nor YHWH (YAHWEH).

Do you know what happens in the Bible when you kindle "strange fire" to honor YHWH without permission? You are destroyed. See Leviticus 10. There will never be a consecrated Temple ever again. Thus there will never be a Holy of Holies within a Temple.

So what might accomplish the Abomination of Desolation? In what other place where the "carcass" is may the eagles or vultures be gathered? What is the hagia for Christian? What is the holiest place on the Earth?

It may be that the Antichrist erects an animated image of the Beast in the Tomb of Jesus in the Church of the Holy Sepulcre where he rose from the dead. That is the only holy place that had a carcass.

It was rennovated 2.5 years ago.

Everyone is foolishly waiting for Judaism which is a dead religion to erect a Temple which is abomination just to lay the first stone.

When in fact, tomorrow, the Antichrist could be revealed and could desecrate the holiest place on Earth. The only holy religion is Christianity so the only hagia can be on a recognized Christian site.

This word eagle is problematic as that word describes a carrion bird so the most likely translation is VULTURE. Thus a animal that eats the dead. Thus it is indicative of the Antichrist and his minions of Lucifer trying to pollute the place where Jesus body once laid.

What I propose is perfectly logical and plausible. What you have to do is verify it with the Bible.

There is no secret rapture on the Bible. The harpazo comes after severe apostasia such that even beheading happens of some Christians.

sorry but post trib is wrong. If it were true, then who would be left to go into the millennial kingdom to re-populate the Earth?

by the end of the tribulation of the few left on Earth, there will only be 2 groups:

goats---the ones who took the mark and who do not go into the millennial kingdom.

sheep--- those who did not take the mark because they came to the saving knowledge of Jesus.

if the sheep are raptured at the end and the dead in christ resurrected, then who would be left to re-populate Earth for Christ's 1000 year reign?

Nobody.

we know that the resurrected and raptured will no longer procreate:


Matthew 22:30 At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven.

that is why post-trib is false.

after the pre-trib rapture, there will be many who although left behind, will come to a saving knowledge of Christ as their saviour.-----those who make it to the end of the trib (sheep) will be the ones who go into the millennial kingdom and will be the ones who begin to re-populate the Earth.

How do you know the ones taken by the harpazo don't come back?

The further you go into Revelations, the less likely you understand what the TRINITY does.

As a Christian, the focus is on the harpazo and the TRINITY who took us...can return us.

Nope. Carcass and vultures are metaphors. The 'carcass' is those of the antichrist once defeated by Christ. The 'vultures' are the remaining fallen angels still on earth. They will grow on the power of their masters. That is why there will be three demonic spirits, three fallen angels taking the power on earth through politics, finance and media, once the rapture season has finished.

The Holy of the Holies is the NEW Jerusalem, the City of God come down to earth around 2075 after the long periods of 1) selection, 2) destruction and 3) construction.

*master (singular)

If you call me a tard, might I ask, since you're enlightened, when might we expect such a rapture?

Pre-trib and post-trib are both right. It depends on who you're talking about (and how you define Tribulations). The 144,000 will be taken BEFORE the antichrist's reign (Tribulations). The Great Multitude will be taken AFTER it.

Besides, a BIG NUMBER of Christians confuse the rapture with the resurrection which happens for the SELECTED ONES AMONG the Great Multitude AFTER the Millennia of God, those in the Book of Life NOT gave up from it AFTER the Last Judgment, provided that the 144,000 are already selected for that. So, NOT THE SAME TIME AT ALL for the rapture and the resurrection!

The raptured people will return to earth. The resurrected people won't. That is why they will be like angels because they WILL BE ANGELS IN SPACE!

Prove what you wrote using Bible verses, not opinion.

Prove what you wrote with Bible verses, not opinion.

The chronology of Matthew 24:

ANTICHRIST'S REIGN:

15 “So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination that causes desolation,’ spoken of through the prophet Daniel—let the reader understand

END OF ANTICHRIST'S REIGN:

22 “If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened.

FALLEN ANGELS' RETALIATION:

24 For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect.

FALLEN ANGELS' GROWTH:

28 Wherever there is a carcass, there the vultures will gather.

The 'abomination that causes desolation' is the use of nuclear weapons, the 'burning sulfur', the 'Second Death' (those of the souls) with radiations tormenting people 'forever' (i.e. a very long time). So, the antichrist (future Harry) will destroy Jerusalem (Holy City for the three religions of the Book) with an atomic bomb.

Now, again, if you want the larger picture of the end times, watch this:

As far as I understand, the Day of the Lord happens unexpectantly, and catches everyone off guard.

The rapture happens at the last trumpet, or 7th trumpet, which is when the saints and prophets inherit the Kingdom.

There is nothing in the Bible supporting your idea that the Abomination of Desolation involves nuclear weapons. The Abomination of Desolation involves a specific hagia "holy place" not the whole Earth.

Try again with valid exegesis.

So, Jesus was wrong when he said this?:

"Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come." Matthew 24:42

We just have to wait for the abomination of desolation?

Are you sure about that?

The word day is not pluralized. The DAY of the Lord only happens once. After the tribulation.

You're time line is late.
The tribulation already occurred.

Faith is returning.

GLP is one of the best examples of that.

Do you remember when there was no faith here? There was no confidence or trust. There wasn't any reason to have either.

The rapture will take place before the middle of 2020. I am not able to explain how I came by this, but I have some evidences of it.