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if not for Oral Torah the Bible is impossible to understand and fulfill
Talmud and Kabbbala ARE are both Torah from Sinai,if not for Oral Torah the Bible is impossible to understand and fulfill
for example ITS WRITTEN IN THE BIBLE

" Speak to the people of Israel, and bid them that they make them fringes in the borders of their garments throughout their generations, and that they put upon the fringe of the borders a thread of blue"

HOW DO YOU MAKE THESE "FRINGES" HOW MANY ARE THERE ?
HOW ARE THEY TIED, WHAT COLOR ARE THEY ? WHERE DO YOU GET THE BLUE FRINGE FROM

WITH OUT Oral Torah the Bible is impossible to understand and fulfill

THINK ABOUT , THIS IS ONLY ONE EXAMPLE
THE ANSWER TO THESE QUESTION IS ONLY FOUND IN Talmud and Kabbbala, OF COURSE THERE IS A TRADITION CONCERNING THESE THINGS

God wrote the Torah in such a way it has to be learned from those who already heard
IE "Oral Torah"
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You still believe God needs your scriptures to prove Themselves rofl5
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There Are No Coincidences - there is synchronism, interconnectedness, nonlocality, retrocausality, subconscious telepathy, design-and-alignment, signs from GOD, and consequences. That is the title and subtitle of the prophesied (Revelation 5:1) "book/scroll sealed with 7 seals"/'Beyond Einstein Theories'. See [link to 7seals.blogspot.com] - only the returned Christ and Albert Einstein reincarnated could produce this. I've revealed scientific secrets hidden since the foundation of this world.

This booklet is the sequel/prequel to the Bible & Qur'an.
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Did it ever occur to you that either

1). God left the design up to them; or

2). They knew about fringes from their own culture or other cultures so it was a no brainer? Just had to use blue thread.
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Did it ever occur to you that either

1). God left the design up to them; or

2). They knew about fringes from their own culture or other cultures so it was a no brainer? Just had to use blue thread.
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ITS NOT LIKE THAT

The fringes Hebrews wore in Yemen more than 900 years ago are tied in the same way they tied them in Prague and Lithuania

and the Blue thread we use today is the same one that was found in Qumran and taught in Kaballa and Talmud

and worn today

ITS ORAL TRADITION

THE DYE IS FROM A PARTICULAR SNAIL secretion produced by sea snails in the family Muricidae originally known by the name Murex

THE ORAL TRADITION SAYS ONLY THIS DYE COULD BE USE OR THE
FRINGES 'DONT WORK'

THE TRADITION WAS PASSED ORALLY SINCE SINAI TILL time the wisdom was in fear of being forgotten so was written down



God DID NOT LEAVE the design up to them

IF TIED IN ANYWAY OUT SIDE OF THE ORAL TRADITION 'DONT WORK' AS WRITTEN SO HEBREWS FROM MARACCO TO NEWYORK
TIE THEM THESE SAME WAYS


THESE THING ARE VERY EXACTING , AND PHYSICAL EVIDENCE PROVES IT
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The Bible is blasphemy and idolatry
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[link to biblehub.net (secure)]
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The oral torah Ben Judah perserved the second temple judaism that was instituted by prophet Ezra

Thats why i dont understand early sadducees that rejected judaism
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I've read so many stories of what God did to bring the Bible to the world over tens of centuries, that many people died just trying to distribute bibles, and others temporarily had control of how it was perceived, that I know what you're saying is just words. The Bible is out there, because of God.
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I've read so many stories of what God did to bring the Bible to the world over tens of centuries, that many people died just trying to distribute bibles, and others temporarily had control of how it was perceived, that I know what you're saying is just words. The Bible is out there, because of God.
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In the talmud the rambam says G-d uses christianity and islam for the coming of the messiah

So that may support your claim who knows
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I've read so many stories of what God did to bring the Bible to the world over tens of centuries, that many people died just trying to distribute bibles, and others temporarily had control of how it was perceived, that I know what you're saying is just words. The Bible is out there, because of God.
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In the talmud the rambam says G-d uses christianity and islam for the coming of the messiah

So that may support your claim who knows
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No matter how many times people within mankind try to tie it up or control the masses on how to interpret it, he will always make ways for it to be available.
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I've read so many stories of what God did to bring the Bible to the world over tens of centuries, that many people died just trying to distribute bibles, and others temporarily had control of how it was perceived, that I know what you're saying is just words. The Bible is out there, because of God.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74483359


In the talmud the rambam says G-d uses christianity and islam for the coming of the messiah

So that may support your claim who knows
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77915141


No matter how many times people within mankind try to tie it up or control the masses on how to interpret it, he will always make ways for it to be available.
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God didnt need any self serving fake Talmud giving permission to have sex w/ 3 yr olds etc. Pharisees=ancient HITITTEs pretending to be biblical, Chosen blah blah
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I've read so many stories of what God did to bring the Bible to the world over tens of centuries, that many people died just trying to distribute bibles, and others temporarily had control of how it was perceived, that I know what you're saying is just words. The Bible is out there, because of God.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74483359


In the talmud the rambam says G-d uses christianity and islam for the coming of the messiah

So that may support your claim who knows
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77915141


No matter how many times people within mankind try to tie it up or control the masses on how to interpret it, he will always make ways for it to be available.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74483359


God didnt need any self serving fake Talmud giving permission to have sex w/ 3 yr olds etc. Pharisees=ancient HITITTEs pretending to be biblical, Chosen blah blah
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hesright
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I've read so many stories of what God did to bring the Bible to the world over tens of centuries, that many people died just trying to distribute bibles, and others temporarily had control of how it was perceived, that I know what you're saying is just words. The Bible is out there, because of God.
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In the talmud the rambam says G-d uses christianity and islam for the coming of the messiah

So that may support your claim who knows
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77915141



The Rambam is not in the talmud he is much later
BORN 1135 Died: December 13, 1204,
your referring to his book The Mishna Torah
there he says

THIS HERE IS SOME AMAZING WISDOM


If one day a king arises from the House of David, who is learned in the Torah and observes all the mitzvot in the same way that his ancestor David did, just as they are commanded in the Torah (Written and Oral), and who inspires all Yisrael to follow the Torah and takes steps to prevent violations of it, and who wages Adonai's Wars - this will be a strong indication that he is the King-Messiah; and if he succeeds in all of this and also rebuilds the Temple on its ancient site and gathers in all the scattered ones of Yisrael, then we will know that he really is the King-Messiah. This one will bring harmony to the World and cause all to serve Adonai together, as it is written: "...for then I shall turn all the nations back to speaking the 'pure language' [i.e. Hebrew], so that they will all proclaim Adonai's Fame and serve Him with a single purpose" (Tz'fanyah 3:9).

9. But if he does not succeed in accomplishing all these things, or if he is killed, then for sure he is not the one promised by the Torah and he should just be considered like any of the other legitimate kings of the Davidic dynasty who lived and died, and we may conclude that God caused him to arise only to test people's faith, as it is written: "...even some of the wise will err in their attempts to clarify the predictions, to explain them and to interpret them... until the End, because its time is yet to be fixed" (Daniyyel 11:35).

10. As for Yéshu the Notzri, who claimed to be the King-Messiah and was sentenced to death by the Synhedrion and executed, Daniyyel had already prophesied about him: "...sons of rebels among your own people will raise themselves and try to establish a 'vision' - but they will fail" (Daniyyel 11:14). Could there be any greater deception than christianity? All the Prophets predicted that the King-Messiah would redeem and rehabilitate Yisrael, will gather together again the scattered ones and strengthen their observance of the mitzvot - but that one brought about only the slaughter of Yisrael by the sword and the dispersal and persecution of the remnant, tried to alter the Torah, and caused most of the World to be lured into the service of an idol instead of Adonai.

11. A human being is not able to comprehend the Creator of the World's intentions, for our ways are not like His ways and our thoughts are not like His thoughts (compare Y'shayahu 55:8). In the event, though, all the words of Yéshu the Notzri and of that Yishma'elite who arose after him [Muhammad] have only served to prepare the way for the arrival of the King-Messiah, leading the whole World to serve Adonai together, as it is written: "...for then I shall turn all the nations back to speaking the 'pure language' [i.e. Hebrew], so that they will all proclaim Adonai's Fame and serve Him with a single purpose" (Tz'fanyah 3:9).
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I've read so many stories of what God did to bring the Bible to the world over tens of centuries, that many people died just trying to distribute bibles, and others temporarily had control of how it was perceived, that I know what you're saying is just words. The Bible is out there, because of God.
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In the talmud the rambam says G-d uses christianity and islam for the coming of the messiah

So that may support your claim who knows
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77915141



The Rambam is not in the talmud he is much later
BORN 1135 Died: December 13, 1204,
your referring to his book The Mishna Torah
there he says

THIS HERE IS SOME AMAZING WISDOM


If one day a king arises from the House of David, who is learned in the Torah and observes all the mitzvot in the same way that his ancestor David did, just as they are commanded in the Torah (Written and Oral), and who inspires all Yisrael to follow the Torah and takes steps to prevent violations of it, and who wages Adonai's Wars - this will be a strong indication that he is the King-Messiah; and if he succeeds in all of this and also rebuilds the Temple on its ancient site and gathers in all the scattered ones of Yisrael, then we will know that he really is the King-Messiah. This one will bring harmony to the World and cause all to serve Adonai together, as it is written: "...for then I shall turn all the nations back to speaking the 'pure language' [i.e. Hebrew], so that they will all proclaim Adonai's Fame and serve Him with a single purpose" (Tz'fanyah 3:9).

9. But if he does not succeed in accomplishing all these things, or if he is killed, then for sure he is not the one promised by the Torah and he should just be considered like any of the other legitimate kings of the Davidic dynasty who lived and died, and we may conclude that God caused him to arise only to test people's faith, as it is written: "...even some of the wise will err in their attempts to clarify the predictions, to explain them and to interpret them... until the End, because its time is yet to be fixed" (Daniyyel 11:35).

10. As for Yéshu the Notzri, who claimed to be the King-Messiah and was sentenced to death by the Synhedrion and executed, Daniyyel had already prophesied about him: "...sons of rebels among your own people will raise themselves and try to establish a 'vision' - but they will fail" (Daniyyel 11:14). Could there be any greater deception than christianity? All the Prophets predicted that the King-Messiah would redeem and rehabilitate Yisrael, will gather together again the scattered ones and strengthen their observance of the mitzvot - but that one brought about only the slaughter of Yisrael by the sword and the dispersal and persecution of the remnant, tried to alter the Torah, and caused most of the World to be lured into the service of an idol instead of Adonai.

11. A human being is not able to comprehend the Creator of the World's intentions, for our ways are not like His ways and our thoughts are not like His thoughts (compare Y'shayahu 55:8). In the event, though, all the words of Yéshu the Notzri and of that Yishma'elite who arose after him [Muhammad] have only served to prepare the way for the arrival of the King-Messiah, leading the whole World to serve Adonai together, as it is written: "...for then I shall turn all the nations back to speaking the 'pure language' [i.e. Hebrew], so that they will all proclaim Adonai's Fame and serve Him with a single purpose" (Tz'fanyah 3:9).
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Yes youre right thx, i was at work and my head is elsewhere that is exactly the tractate i was referring to
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I've read so many stories of what God did to bring the Bible to the world over tens of centuries, that many people died just trying to distribute bibles, and others temporarily had control of how it was perceived, that I know what you're saying is just words. The Bible is out there, because of God.
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In the talmud the rambam says G-d uses christianity and islam for the coming of the messiah

So that may support your claim who knows
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77915141



The Rambam is not in the talmud he is much later
BORN 1135 Died: December 13, 1204,
your referring to his book The Mishna Torah
there he says

THIS HERE IS SOME AMAZING WISDOM


If one day a king arises from the House of David, who is learned in the Torah and observes all the mitzvot in the same way that his ancestor David did, just as they are commanded in the Torah (Written and Oral), and who inspires all Yisrael to follow the Torah and takes steps to prevent violations of it, and who wages Adonai's Wars - this will be a strong indication that he is the King-Messiah; and if he succeeds in all of this and also rebuilds the Temple on its ancient site and gathers in all the scattered ones of Yisrael, then we will know that he really is the King-Messiah. This one will bring harmony to the World and cause all to serve Adonai together, as it is written: "...for then I shall turn all the nations back to speaking the 'pure language' [i.e. Hebrew], so that they will all proclaim Adonai's Fame and serve Him with a single purpose" (Tz'fanyah 3:9).

9. But if he does not succeed in accomplishing all these things, or if he is killed, then for sure he is not the one promised by the Torah and he should just be considered like any of the other legitimate kings of the Davidic dynasty who lived and died, and we may conclude that God caused him to arise only to test people's faith, as it is written: "...even some of the wise will err in their attempts to clarify the predictions, to explain them and to interpret them... until the End, because its time is yet to be fixed" (Daniyyel 11:35).

10. As for Yéshu the Notzri, who claimed to be the King-Messiah and was sentenced to death by the Synhedrion and executed, Daniyyel had already prophesied about him: "...sons of rebels among your own people will raise themselves and try to establish a 'vision' - but they will fail" (Daniyyel 11:14). Could there be any greater deception than christianity? All the Prophets predicted that the King-Messiah would redeem and rehabilitate Yisrael, will gather together again the scattered ones and strengthen their observance of the mitzvot - but that one brought about only the slaughter of Yisrael by the sword and the dispersal and persecution of the remnant, tried to alter the Torah, and caused most of the World to be lured into the service of an idol instead of Adonai.

11. A human being is not able to comprehend the Creator of the World's intentions, for our ways are not like His ways and our thoughts are not like His thoughts (compare Y'shayahu 55:8). In the event, though, all the words of Yéshu the Notzri and of that Yishma'elite who arose after him [Muhammad] have only served to prepare the way for the arrival of the King-Messiah, leading the whole World to serve Adonai together, as it is written: "...for then I shall turn all the nations back to speaking the 'pure language' [i.e. Hebrew], so that they will all proclaim Adonai's Fame and serve Him with a single purpose" (Tz'fanyah 3:9).
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Yes youre right thx, i was at work and my head is elsewhere that is exactly the tractate i was referring to
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Those people died carrying the bible with the New Testament out to the all the world. Just remember that.
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That’s convenient.
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That’s convenient.
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Isn't it? It's how the bible says that slavery is okay, but the talmud say nope?!
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In the talmud the rambam says G-d uses christianity and islam for the coming of the messiah

So that may support your claim who knows
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77915141



The Rambam is not in the talmud he is much later
BORN 1135 Died: December 13, 1204,
your referring to his book The Mishna Torah
there he says

THIS HERE IS SOME AMAZING WISDOM


If one day a king arises from the House of David, who is learned in the Torah and observes all the mitzvot in the same way that his ancestor David did, just as they are commanded in the Torah (Written and Oral), and who inspires all Yisrael to follow the Torah and takes steps to prevent violations of it, and who wages Adonai's Wars - this will be a strong indication that he is the King-Messiah; and if he succeeds in all of this and also rebuilds the Temple on its ancient site and gathers in all the scattered ones of Yisrael, then we will know that he really is the King-Messiah. This one will bring harmony to the World and cause all to serve Adonai together, as it is written: "...for then I shall turn all the nations back to speaking the 'pure language' [i.e. Hebrew], so that they will all proclaim Adonai's Fame and serve Him with a single purpose" (Tz'fanyah 3:9).

9. But if he does not succeed in accomplishing all these things, or if he is killed, then for sure he is not the one promised by the Torah and he should just be considered like any of the other legitimate kings of the Davidic dynasty who lived and died, and we may conclude that God caused him to arise only to test people's faith, as it is written: "...even some of the wise will err in their attempts to clarify the predictions, to explain them and to interpret them... until the End, because its time is yet to be fixed" (Daniyyel 11:35).

10. As for Yéshu the Notzri, who claimed to be the King-Messiah and was sentenced to death by the Synhedrion and executed, Daniyyel had already prophesied about him: "...sons of rebels among your own people will raise themselves and try to establish a 'vision' - but they will fail" (Daniyyel 11:14). Could there be any greater deception than christianity? All the Prophets predicted that the King-Messiah would redeem and rehabilitate Yisrael, will gather together again the scattered ones and strengthen their observance of the mitzvot - but that one brought about only the slaughter of Yisrael by the sword and the dispersal and persecution of the remnant, tried to alter the Torah, and caused most of the World to be lured into the service of an idol instead of Adonai.

11. A human being is not able to comprehend the Creator of the World's intentions, for our ways are not like His ways and our thoughts are not like His thoughts (compare Y'shayahu 55:8). In the event, though, all the words of Yéshu the Notzri and of that Yishma'elite who arose after him [Muhammad] have only served to prepare the way for the arrival of the King-Messiah, leading the whole World to serve Adonai together, as it is written: "...for then I shall turn all the nations back to speaking the 'pure language' [i.e. Hebrew], so that they will all proclaim Adonai's Fame and serve Him with a single purpose" (Tz'fanyah 3:9).
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Yes youre right thx, i was at work and my head is elsewhere that is exactly the tractate i was referring to
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Those people died carrying the bible with the New Testament out to the all the world. Just remember that.
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This could get complicated quickly if youd want it but christianity does have its martyrs and rcc history has its good parts just as it has brutal parts aswell though

Regardless Israel history is seperate from christianity and the mistake christianity is making is in the form of replacement theology and its mixing in with the tanakh. Thereby supressing Judaism and its history which didnt stop at the destruction of the Temple, trying to shove it under the rug doesnt make crooked things straight
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Also there is no commandments in the torah to preach to the entire world and convert and actually in the tanakh G-d is mad that Israel profaned G-ds name in the world
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THIS THREAD WAS ABOUT ORAL TORAH BUT SINCE THERE ARE THOSE THAT WANT TO TALK ABOUT CHRISTIONANITY

LET IT BE KNOWN THERE IS NO GET OUT OF HELL GO TO HEAVEN FREE CARD

EVEN JC CANT DO THAT FOR YOU !

DO GOOD AND TURN FROM EVIL WILL ALL YOUR HEART
AND REPENT OF SINS AND ALL WILL BE OK

words of warning Christianity is forbidden to je-wish people and some of its forms are idolatry and forbidden to gentiles according to the torah

“Shituf” ‎‎transliterated as “partnership” refers to as “Joining something else” to God as in “Trinitarian concepts”. Shituf is a word used in the Gamara to refer to Christians way of worship. The Descendants of Noah were not forbidden this ( Tosafot to Sanhedrin 63b. B’nei Noach are not forbidden shituf worship ( “Od Yisrael Yosef Beni Chai, Gaon Rav Yosef Shaul Natanson, HaRav Ha-Meiri) Rav Tzvi Hirsch Chayot in his work Tiferet Yisrael rules according to halacha that the Gentiles of our period have the “din” (judged/considered like) of a Ger Toshav because the Rama rules such as does Rabbeinu Tam and Rabbenu Yerucham that B’nai Noach are not forbidden to believe in shituf” (which is partnering something else with HaShem such as a subordinate deity or Demi-god). The Shituf believe in the one God… but mentally they cannot fully comprehend how to worship Him as a unique Oneness… the Acum (idolator) who does Avotah Zara (idol worship) does not know the one true God at all… Shituf is a quasi Idolator trapped in a world that eats unclean and does not observe the Shabbat… we can not expect them to be able to completely grasp the worship of one God without help (an intermediary)… this does not condone Shituf for the B’nei Noach it is saying the B’nei Noach is allowed Shituf, but can overcome it and remove himself from all types of Idolatry… if you don’t agree with Shituf (partnering something with God) then reject it and worship One true God as He was intended to be worshiped without the intermediary and make no mistake if you worship an intermediary as a god or consider it to be a coequal to God as in a Demi god you are an Idolator, but you are not the same type of Idolator as the Acum… these teachings come from authentic Torah scholars and Sages in Judaism… I’m just bringing this out so people are aware of the teaching and to help them understand about the different types of idolatry and why some disparately cling to worshiping
something other than one true God alone.
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THIS THREAD WAS ABOUT ORAL TORAH BUT SINCE THERE ARE THOSE THAT WANT TO TALK ABOUT CHRISTIONANITY

LET IT BE KNOWN THERE IS NO GET OUT OF HELL GO TO HEAVEN FREE CARD

EVEN JC CANT DO THAT FOR YOU !

DO GOOD AND TURN FROM EVIL WILL ALL YOUR HEART
AND REPENT OF SINS AND ALL WILL BE OK

words of warning Christianity is forbidden to je-wish people and some of its forms are idolatry and forbidden to gentiles according to the torah

“Shituf” ‎‎transliterated as “partnership” refers to as “Joining something else” to God as in “Trinitarian concepts”. Shituf is a word used in the Gamara to refer to Christians way of worship. The Descendants of Noah were not forbidden this ( Tosafot to Sanhedrin 63b. B’nei Noach are not forbidden shituf worship ( “Od Yisrael Yosef Beni Chai, Gaon Rav Yosef Shaul Natanson, HaRav Ha-Meiri) Rav Tzvi Hirsch Chayot in his work Tiferet Yisrael rules according to halacha that the Gentiles of our period have the “din” (judged/considered like) of a Ger Toshav because the Rama rules such as does Rabbeinu Tam and Rabbenu Yerucham that B’nai Noach are not forbidden to believe in shituf” (which is partnering something else with HaShem such as a subordinate deity or Demi-god). The Shituf believe in the one God… but mentally they cannot fully comprehend how to worship Him as a unique Oneness… the Acum (idolator) who does Avotah Zara (idol worship) does not know the one true God at all… Shituf is a quasi Idolator trapped in a world that eats unclean and does not observe the Shabbat… we can not expect them to be able to completely grasp the worship of one God without help (an intermediary)… this does not condone Shituf for the B’nei Noach it is saying the B’nei Noach is allowed Shituf, but can overcome it and remove himself from all types of Idolatry… if you don’t agree with Shituf (partnering something with God) then reject it and worship One true God as He was intended to be worshiped without the intermediary and make no mistake if you worship an intermediary as a god or consider it to be a coequal to God as in a Demi god you are an Idolator, but you are not the same type of Idolator as the Acum… these teachings come from authentic Torah scholars and Sages in Judaism… I’m just bringing this out so people are aware of the teaching and to help them understand about the different types of idolatry and why some disparately cling to worshiping
something other than one true God alone.
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There are also Halachic Laws that state that the Christians are to simple to not comprehend G-d without the form of a man and that it isn't idolatry because they are simpletons.
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GOD WANT THE HEART
THAT THE BOTTOM LINE
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The Rambam is not in the talmud he is much later
BORN 1135 Died: December 13, 1204,
your referring to his book The Mishna Torah
there he says

THIS HERE IS SOME AMAZING WISDOM


If one day a king arises from the House of David, who is learned in the Torah and observes all the mitzvot in the same way that his ancestor David did, just as they are commanded in the Torah (Written and Oral), and who inspires all Yisrael to follow the Torah and takes steps to prevent violations of it, and who wages Adonai's Wars - this will be a strong indication that he is the King-Messiah; and if he succeeds in all of this and also rebuilds the Temple on its ancient site and gathers in all the scattered ones of Yisrael, then we will know that he really is the King-Messiah. This one will bring harmony to the World and cause all to serve Adonai together, as it is written: "...for then I shall turn all the nations back to speaking the 'pure language' [i.e. Hebrew], so that they will all proclaim Adonai's Fame and serve Him with a single purpose" (Tz'fanyah 3:9).

9. But if he does not succeed in accomplishing all these things, or if he is killed, then for sure he is not the one promised by the Torah and he should just be considered like any of the other legitimate kings of the Davidic dynasty who lived and died, and we may conclude that God caused him to arise only to test people's faith, as it is written: "...even some of the wise will err in their attempts to clarify the predictions, to explain them and to interpret them... until the End, because its time is yet to be fixed" (Daniyyel 11:35).

10. As for Yéshu the Notzri, who claimed to be the King-Messiah and was sentenced to death by the Synhedrion and executed, Daniyyel had already prophesied about him: "...sons of rebels among your own people will raise themselves and try to establish a 'vision' - but they will fail" (Daniyyel 11:14). Could there be any greater deception than christianity? All the Prophets predicted that the King-Messiah would redeem and rehabilitate Yisrael, will gather together again the scattered ones and strengthen their observance of the mitzvot - but that one brought about only the slaughter of Yisrael by the sword and the dispersal and persecution of the remnant, tried to alter the Torah, and caused most of the World to be lured into the service of an idol instead of Adonai.

11. A human being is not able to comprehend the Creator of the World's intentions, for our ways are not like His ways and our thoughts are not like His thoughts (compare Y'shayahu 55:8). In the event, though, all the words of Yéshu the Notzri and of that Yishma'elite who arose after him [Muhammad] have only served to prepare the way for the arrival of the King-Messiah, leading the whole World to serve Adonai together, as it is written: "...for then I shall turn all the nations back to speaking the 'pure language' [i.e. Hebrew], so that they will all proclaim Adonai's Fame and serve Him with a single purpose" (Tz'fanyah 3:9).
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Yes youre right thx, i was at work and my head is elsewhere that is exactly the tractate i was referring to
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Those people died carrying the bible with the New Testament out to the all the world. Just remember that.
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This could get complicated quickly if youd want it but christianity does have its martyrs and rcc history has its good parts just as it has brutal parts aswell though

Regardless Israel history is seperate from christianity and the mistake christianity is making is in the form of replacement theology and its mixing in with the tanakh. Thereby supressing Judaism and its history which didnt stop at the destruction of the Temple, trying to shove it under the rug doesnt make crooked things straight
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Actually it was the RCC that did much of the killing in the earlier eras, at later times it was world Empires. So one could say, that God himself broke the power of Rome himself. The RCC would burn these people to the stake, torture them or their families. One man, while he was being burned to the stake, saw a vision and proclaimed while dying the they wouldn't be able to stop them in 100 years. 100 years later the printing press and the Reformation happened. Before that they would hide in caves copying new Bibles, word for word and distribute them!

During the Soviet era, the communists where killing people who moved Bibles. A man said an angel stopped him while he was arresting Christians and told him to save a man's life. Eventually he did, and than years later he was smuggling the bibles himself. Than the communists went after him and his family. It's a story, but eventually God moved him and his entire family to America. I believe this man and others like him are why Russia has turned back to it's faith, because of God!
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Talmud and Kabbbala ARE are both Torah from Sinai,if not for Oral Torah the Bible is impossible to understand and fulfill
for example ITS WRITTEN IN THE BIBLE

" Speak to the people of Israel, and bid them that they make them fringes in the borders of their garments throughout their generations, and that they put upon the fringe of the borders a thread of blue"

HOW DO YOU MAKE THESE "FRINGES" HOW MANY ARE THERE ?
HOW ARE THEY TIED, WHAT COLOR ARE THEY ? WHERE DO YOU GET THE BLUE FRINGE FROM

WITH OUT Oral Torah the Bible is impossible to understand and fulfill

THINK ABOUT , THIS IS ONLY ONE EXAMPLE
THE ANSWER TO THESE QUESTION IS ONLY FOUND IN Talmud and Kabbbala, OF COURSE THERE IS A TRADITION CONCERNING THESE THINGS

God wrote the Torah in such a way it has to be learned from those who already heard
IE "Oral Torah"
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" And it shall be for a sign upon your hand, and for frontlets between your eyes; for by strength of hand the Lord brought us forth out of Egypt." EXO CHAP 13

THESE "FRONTLETS" ARE VERY EXACTING DESIGN AND DEVEATION AND THEY ARE INVALID )DONT WORK) In Hebrew the they ate called "Tophelen " same letters as telephone

what are they , how are they made ? with out the ORAL TORAH YOU DONT HAVE A CLUE , THE TORAH IS FULL OF THIS STUFF

AS THERE IS A ORAL TORAH Talmud and Kabbbala ARE are both Torah from Sinai,if not for Oral Torah the Bible is impossible to understand and fulfill
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Lying piece of shit.
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Talmud and Kabbbala ARE are both Torah from Sinai,if not for Oral Torah the Bible is impossible to understand and fulfill
for example ITS WRITTEN IN THE BIBLE

" Speak to the people of Israel, and bid them that they make them fringes in the borders of their garments throughout their generations, and that they put upon the fringe of the borders a thread of blue"

HOW DO YOU MAKE THESE "FRINGES" HOW MANY ARE THERE ?
HOW ARE THEY TIED, WHAT COLOR ARE THEY ? WHERE DO YOU GET THE BLUE FRINGE FROM

WITH OUT Oral Torah the Bible is impossible to understand and fulfill

THINK ABOUT , THIS IS ONLY ONE EXAMPLE
THE ANSWER TO THESE QUESTION IS ONLY FOUND IN Talmud and Kabbbala, OF COURSE THERE IS A TRADITION CONCERNING THESE THINGS

God wrote the Torah in such a way it has to be learned from those who already heard
IE "Oral Torah"
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I agree with this but only in part. There is some truth to oral tradition; however the oral law was never supposed to have been written down.

I will use your own example. Today the majority of orthodox Jws do not wear a blue thread at all in their fringes. Why? Because they believe they lost the exact dye and receipe to make it, so they went without any blue thread at all. To me the fringes look sad and dead without the blue thread; There is an importance to the blue thread; likely speaking to the one g-d and to the optimism and hope in Torah.

The Karate tradition has continued with the blue thread although their fringes look different then most Ashanazi.

A second example is whether the Torah actually commanded the wearing of phylacteries. Deuteronomy 11:18 "You shall therefore lay up these words of mine in your heart and in your soul, and you shall bind them as a sign on your hand, and they shall be as frontlets between your eyes."

This verse is supposed to mean to keep the law in your mind and actions; but does not necessarily mean to literally fix the words onto your arm or forehead; That practice didn't even begin until the 4th century CE.
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Did someone say oral
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Yes youre right thx, i was at work and my head is elsewhere that is exactly the tractate i was referring to
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Those people died carrying the bible with the New Testament out to the all the world. Just remember that.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74483359


This could get complicated quickly if youd want it but christianity does have its martyrs and rcc history has its good parts just as it has brutal parts aswell though

Regardless Israel history is seperate from christianity and the mistake christianity is making is in the form of replacement theology and its mixing in with the tanakh. Thereby supressing Judaism and its history which didnt stop at the destruction of the Temple, trying to shove it under the rug doesnt make crooked things straight
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77915141


Actually it was the RCC that did much of the killing in the earlier eras, at later times it was world Empires. So one could say, that God himself broke the power of Rome himself. The RCC would burn these people to the stake, torture them or their families. One man, while he was being burned to the stake, saw a vision and proclaimed while dying the they wouldn't be able to stop them in 100 years. 100 years later the printing press and the Reformation happened. Before that they would hide in caves copying new Bibles, word for word and distribute them!

During the Soviet era, the communists where killing people who moved Bibles. A man said an angel stopped him while he was arresting Christians and told him to save a man's life. Eventually he did, and than years later he was smuggling the bibles himself. Than the communists went after him and his family. It's a story, but eventually God moved him and his entire family to America. I believe this man and others like him are why Russia has turned back to it's faith, because of God!
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So but does that invalidate Judaism for you?

Today Jws also live 24/7 depending and trusting in G-d and miracles happen daily for them, and they dont believe in jc .

Islam also has miracle stories

But what is the ultimate truth that is what Judaism cares for
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Rapist whore.
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its sad you need someone elses words to understand the fathers wisdom,

ISAIAH 6;10

Make the heart of this people fat, and make their ears heavy, and shut their eyes; lest they see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and convert, and be healed.





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