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THE SUFFERING SERVANT IN ISIAH IS NOT JC !

 
Anonymous Coward (OP)
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08/16/2019 08:47 AM
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OP you worship a false god that only knows domination and power and reptilian emotions, hence the obsession with suffering and punishment instead of actual love.

Christ is the true Messiah and son of God. He is a being of pure love and forgiveness and perfection.
 Quoting: Gabriel~


WRONG THE TORAH AND THE WHOLE BIBLE IS ABOUT LOVE AND PEACE
Though sometimes the lesson come in hard was as a father reprimands his children for their own good.

ALL WHO MERIT TO SEE THE REDEMPTION WILL THEN KNOW WHO THE MESSIAH IS

AS FAR AS THE "Childen OF GOD" WE ALL ARE BUT
"Thus said the Lord, Israel is my son, my firstborn"
(exo 4)
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WE CALL IT "EVIL SPEECH"
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...like rabbis saying you will have 800 gentile slaves each? You need to get of you high horse.

You dont worship the God of the bible. Your rabbis follow a gentile and occult teachings from talmud and the kaballah that has nothing to do with Gods word and achieve nothing but lead you away from God. Thats why i dont care what your threats, you are as irrelevant as a muslim yelling threats about allahs judgement at me. I bet you laugh when you hear muslims do that, then you know what i feel when you do that. But im not angry at you, i want you to repent because i know the truth, and you are the one being misled.

Scripture interpit scripture, Daniel 9 and Isaiah 53 exclude any rabbinic attemt to explain them.

Lets read further. For example Zechariah 7, which tells you why he came as a poor man, Zechariah 9:9 where he will ride in on a donkey, Zechariah 12:10 where YHWH speaks and says he is pierced, or Psalm 22 describing exactly what we read in the New testament with the soldiers casting lots over his garments etc. And even this is just scratching the surface. Here are some collections i found with various prophesies Jesus fullfilled:

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[link to www.jesusfilm.org (secure)]

..and if you have questions beyond that, in the former thread i posted the link to Michael Browns channel that answers je-wish objections to Jesus being the Messiah:

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Ill let the readers decide who they believe in. A God that will make them slaves to this angry vengeful israeli, or a God that forgives them and gave his life for them despite having done evil things they deserve to die for, so they could live on after this life because God is good and forgiving.
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YOU SAID
"
...like rabbis saying you will have 800 gentile slaves each?"

WHERE THE HECK DID YOU GET THAT ?

I never heard of such a thing

Maybe you are referring to this statement which is absolutely TRUE
"Prophet Zechariah states:
"Thus says YHVH TSVAOT it shall come to pass that there shall come people and the inhabitants of many cities and the inhabitants of one city shall go to another saying let us go speedily to entreat the favor of YHVH , and seek YHVH TSVAOT. I will also go and many people and strong nations will come to seek YHVH TSVAOT in Jerusalem and to pray before YHVH. Thus says YHVH TSVAOT, in those days it will come to pass that ten men out of all the languages of the nations will take hold and seize the corner of the garment of He that is a Je'w saying, we will go with you for we have heard Eloheme is with you" (8:20)

You are right at least 800 gentile Gentiles will come to Je'wish people not as slaves but to learn the truth of the Torah


YOU SAID
"Thats why i dont care what your threats"

I made no threats , i only said what you already know
"What you do comes back to you"
YOU KNOW SPEAK SLANDER AND LIES ABOUT PEOPLE DOES NOT FIND FAVOR FROM GOD BUT THE OPPOSITE

EXAMPLE
"You dont worship the God of the bible"
You do not know me
For over the last years I have done spent all my time learning God's word, teaching it, doing acts of kindness, charity and praying. And for the last 10 years i have been with a group that prays every morning at sunrise for 2hours 45 minutes every morning according to the tradition of the biblical prophet. Which took many years to learn. On the Sabbath the meditation is about 5 hours in the morning. All this came at the cost of great self sacrifice. In order to have the time to learn Hebrew and Aromaic and learn the achient books for years i lived in forests , abandoned buildings , caves and where ever. Thank God now I dont need to but i still love being with God in nature.


You say "Your rabbis follow a gentile and occult teachings from talmud and the kaballah "

Wrong

We follow the 613 Biblical commandments , each is directly commanded by a verse in the Torah. Talmud just explains in 63 tractates how these things are fulfilled, Kaballah explains the "spiritual" aspect of them and the order of unfolding of the Divine light. But all laws are directly from Torah Verses. The laws are commanded to Yisrael as its written

"And the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, Speak to the people of Israel, and tell them that they make them fringes in the borders of their garments throughout their generations, and that they put upon the fringe of the borders a thread of blue." (Numbers 15)
How the fringes are made, how many other details are explained in the Talmud, The kaballah explains how they work
all according to the tradition we received from God through Moses .


AS FAR AS

"collections i found with various prophesies Jesus fullfilled"

To me thats irrelevant , There is no source in the Bible that says the Messiah will be killed and come back again many years later ?

also the Messiah is NOT GOD

The Messiah will be known by all who merit to see that day when THE REDEMPTION HAPPENS. THERE HAVE BEEN MANY FAILED MESSIAHS. THEY ARE ALL DEAD , EITHER THEY MESSED UP, OR OR THE GENERATION DID NOT MERIT REDEMPTION

To me the Bible is not a search for WHO IS THE MESSIAH
its lessons on how to be in awe and love with God ALL THE TIME

i am very busy man but i take the time to answer you because you are since in belief in God

we know not everyone is meant to serve God as he commanded the Hebrew , that why almost all the commandments were given saying "Speak to the people of Israel, and tell them that they make them fringes"
This way of service of God is not expected from all men, it was commanded to Israel

WE KNOW " The Lord is near to all those who call upon him, to all who call upon him in truth." (PSALM 145)
God searches the hearts of men and their deeds regardless of their belief system

God cammanded Torah to Yisrael there are other way
God hears all who call upon them in truth , even if they think the Messiah has already come

I hope we will merit to celebrate that day
Love and Peace
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G-d bless you
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Amen BLESSINGS TO YOU FROM JERUSALEM THE HOLY CITY AND SHABBOT SHALOM
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ALL YOU NEED TO KNOW ABOUT THE NT IS HERE

Why was Jesus even NECESSARY? THIS MAKES NO SENSE WHATSOEVER. Christianity is FICTION !

So God decides to incarnate himself as a human who is both his son and himself simultaneously (somehow the Holy Spirit is tied into this to form a trinity). Jesus (God) is sacrificed on the cross to himself, to die for the sins of mankind. What kind of sense does that make? My understanding of the word sin is that it basically means: to miss the mark, fall short of the glory of God, whatever that may be.

How does Jesus (God) suffering on the cross somehow make up and “save” people who fall short of the glory of God? It’s a bizarre premise to begin with, God sacrificing himself in the form of his son to himself to atone for the sins of mankind. All Christianity does is make people feel they are “no good.”

People eat his flesh and drink his blood… Sounds pretty lunatic.

THAT NEW TEST-MENT IS JUST SO INACCURATE ITS

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You think you are perfect in the flesh and you can keep the law, you're a liar, you break the law daily.
You break the law once, you've broken it all.

Galatians
Chapter 3
1O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?

2This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

3Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?

4Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain.

5He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

6Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.

7Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.

8And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

9So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.

10For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

11But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

12And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.

13Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

14That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

15Brethren, I speak after the manner of men; Though it be but a man's covenant, yet if it be confirmed, no man disannulleth, or addeth thereto.

16Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

17And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

18For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.

19Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

20Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.

21Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.

22But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.

23But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.

24Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

25But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

26For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

27For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

28There is neither Jhew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

29And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.


OP continues to be a dumb dumb.
But you can't expect more from dead bones.
OP is basically a flesh golem.
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This quote from this article is interesting:
Rabbi Moshe Kohen Ibn Crispin said, “This rabbi described those who interpret Isaiah 53 as referring to Israel as those "having forsaken the knowledge of our Teachers, and inclined after the `stubbornness of their own hearts,' and of their own opinion, I am pleased to interpret it, in accordance with the teaching of our Rabbis, of the King Messiah. This prophecy was delivered by Isaiah at the divine command for the purpose of making known to us something about the nature of the future Messiah, who is to come and deliver Israel, and his life from the day when he arrives at discretion until his advent as a redeemer, in order that if anyone should arise claiming to be himself the Messiah, we may reflect, and look to see whether we can observe in him any resemblance to the traits described here; if there is any such resemblance, then we may believe that he is the Messiah our righteousness; but if not, we cannot do so.”

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Kinda hard for the OP.
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Here's some more:
Isaiah 53 Bible Prophecy Fulfilled by Jesus Christ
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Mashiah is a gilgul of Ravbbi Akiva (among others)
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GOOD POINT

THIS IS FROM MY BOOK ON "GILGULIM"
BASED ON THE KADMONINIM RESHONIM AND ACHRONIM

"SECRETS OF GILGUL"

In Sefer HaTikunim, Tikun 69. we learn that the place of the soul-root Rabbi Akiva ben Yosef is the
hands. In the secret of, “And his hand was holding the heel of Esau.”
(Gen. 25:26). The hands have the ability to go down as far as the heel or as high up as the head, unlike the rest of the limbs. Therefore, these limbs fell to the depths of the kelipot, until the heel. Rabbi Akiva was able to
understand more than Moses as he was from Cain and Moses was from Abel. (Shar HaGilgulim introduction 28) The garment of the Nashama of Rabbi Akiva is from Nh"y Aba from the side of "givurot". His Nashama was from "Kayin" from Ima. עקיבה contains letters of יעקב . (Aor Enyim
P.174) Zimri is "gilgul" in Rabbi Akiva. The Daughter of Tyrus Rufus who Rabbi Akiva married is gilgul of Cozbi. (Chased LAvraham) Noach had the Nefesh of Rabbi Akiva. (Shoshan Sodot) Moses went up, he found The Holy One blessed be He tying crowns to the letters. He said to
Him, “Who is causing You to do this? He answered him, In the future a Sadeek will live named Akiva ben Yosef . And he will learn mounds and mounds of paths from each crown’ . “This is because someone who is from Abel can only understand until the crowns of the letters, called the
“tagin”. Someone from the root of the second level of Cain can grasp even the “tamim” or more. As a result of his awesome deeds Moses was able to understand everything. Only the prophet Ezekiel used the term cohanim-Levi’im” because he was from the root of Cain, the firstborn. He prophesized in this way, as in the time of Mashiah, those who now are
Kohanim will then be Leviim, and those who have been Leviim will then be Kohanim. The entire root of Abel who are now Kohanim will then be Leviim. (Shar HaGilgulim introduction 35)

PLEASE GOD THIS FREE BOOK WILL ALSO BE OUT SOON
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So that's mean that the soul of the prophet Shmuel also plays an important role in thz Gueula ?
In Shaar Hagilgulim, the Ari Zal writes that the root of the soul of the Prophet Shmuel also comes from Cain.
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RIGHT , WHY ARE YOU IN FRANCE , move to Isreal, Last week I was by the Ari haKadosh on the day of his Hilula

Nothing like Succot in Israel ! More from My upcomming book
Smual's Nashama is from the good of Kayin. It was "gilgul" in Yitro. Nadav and Avihu had the good of the Nefesh and Ruach of Kayin and both were gilgul in Smual. Smual the Prophet is "gilgul" of Ahron, but the main part of him is from Nadav and Aviyhu. (Shar Pasukim p.187, 135) Rabbi Akiva was from the family of Sisera from the source of "kayin". Rav Smual Bar Shalit was from Haman. Haman and Sisera were from Dat, the same source. (Safer Lekutim p.362)

thanks for your comments
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Thanks a lot.

Instead of "gilgul" in Yitro for example, we should say Ibur, am I correct ? (because we attract sparks of neshamot within us by our actions in this world).
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The person in Isaiah 53 was pierced for our transgression. OK. How has followers of j-ism been pierced? Does it talk about all the israeli piercing studios? Do you have lots of piercings? Or does it speak about the crucifixion?

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Pierced by Trump’s MAGA vaccine

My fellow Christians have no excuse for denying redemption just like their orange pied piper puppet messiah

Who not only blasphemed my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, when Trump gave glory to himself by anointing himself the Father of his MAGA vaccine, but more importantly he insulted every Christian, when he referred to that ABOMINATION as a Christmas miracle

It is our duty as Christians to help the blind unlock their hearts by teaching forgiveness is the key to unlocking their minds

The time to repent is upon all of us

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