THE SUFFERING SERVANT IN ISIAH IS NOT JC !

ALL YOU NEED TO KNOW ABOUT THE NT IS HERE

Why was Jesus even NECESSARY? THIS MAKES NO SENSE WHATSOEVER. Christianity is FICTION !

So God decides to incarnate himself as a human who is both his son and himself simultaneously (somehow the Holy Spirit is tied into this to form a trinity). Jesus (God) is sacrificed on the cross to himself, to die for the sins of mankind. What kind of sense does that make? My understanding of the word sin is that it basically means: to miss the mark, fall short of the glory of God, whatever that may be.

How does Jesus (God) suffering on the cross somehow make up and “save” people who fall short of the glory of God? It’s a bizarre premise to begin with, God sacrificing himself in the form of his son to himself to atone for the sins of mankind. All Christianity does is make people feel they are “no good.”

People eat his flesh and drink his blood… Sounds pretty lunatic.

THAT NEW TEST-MENT IS JUST SO INACCURATE ITS

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..and this is where the rubber meets the road:

Because in verse 11 it says the servant is rightous. Want me to go trough the old testament and show some verses showing how sinful the nation of Israel is?

It also speaks about a singular person, not a people. If you look at Isaiah 52 it says he is marred beyond recognition, and if you read on further, Isaiah 49 onwards, you see he will give up his back to be beaten, having his beard pulled out etc. This doesnt sound like the nation of Israel.

So now go into the socalled rightousness of Israel. Lets focus on 1 chapter. Have you read Daniel 9 whic h you are told by rabbis are so holy you shouldnt read it? Cause im going to start a thread dedicated to that verse here too. Here Daniel cries about how sinful and awful Israel is and begs for mercy for his people and speaks of an annoited one that will come and be put to death. Who is this person, and why does just this 1 verse kick the legs under your theory on Isaiah 53?

I dont believe for one second you have read the new testament and tried to understand it. Having the rabbis quote a few verses from it and putting a false spin on what it says, is not the same as reading and understanding it.

Because the je... people failed to be the light to the nations God wanted. You were just as sinful and wicked as the rest of us gentiles, and the law didnt help one bit, it just showed it more clearly, which is why the law came in the first place. And you would have known this if you had read the new testament like you claim, because its there in plain text. Which proves you told us a lie.

And you wonder why the je.... people failed in being the light to the gentiles God wanted?

Because in verse 11 it says the servant is rightous. Want me to go trough the old testament and show some verses showing how sinful the nation of Israel is?


YOU DONT NEED TO go trough the old testament and show some verses showing how sinful the nation of Israel is?

THE BIBLE IS FULL OF THE RIGHTEOUS OF ISRAEL ALL THE PROPHETS AND FOREFATHERS

JC WAS NOT RIGHTEOUS , EVEN HIS LAST WORDS WERE BLASPHEMY !


JC OPPENED HIS MOUTH AND SPOKE BLASPHEMY SAYING
"Jesus cried out in a loud voice,My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?" Matthew 27:46

THAT AINT RIGHTEOUS ,,,,

This tread deserve the video i posted aswell, since it go trough Isaiah 53 in detail.

You have a different understanding on whats rightous and not to the God you claim to worship in that case, because the ancient israelites were so bad they got expelled from the land of Israel several times, 400 years after some frightening prophesies (the prophets were often killed because of the news they gave your ancestors) God went silent and you had no more prophets until Jesus came.

You also show 0 understanding of the new testament and who Jesus is.

oh i allmost forgot, the people that put away the Dead sea scrolls seems to have had a few genuine prophets:

YOU REALLY SHOULD STOP PLAYING
LOOK FOR MAKING ALL THE BIBLE INTO JC AND LEARN WHAT IT SAYS

CHRISTIAN ARE WAY OFF ON THE PROPHESY YOU REFER TO



Daniel 9 is one of the most difficult passages in the Bible to study. It’s quite enigmatic, and that’s why people get confused by it (the 2nd part of the chapter, that is, the first half is a beautiful prayer we use till today).
While Christian scholars believe that Daniel’s prophecy concerns a 70 week period, if you read it closely, he refers to a six week period and then a 62 week period (what confuses people more is that the term “shavuah” used here, does not refer to weeks, it’s a Torah term for a 7-year period.)
Accordingly, the prophecy addresses two events, one that was to occur 49 years after the rebuilding of Jerusalem (beginning of v. 25).
Then there will be a destruction 62×7(434) years after that. These calculations lead us to understand
The first ”anointed” is Cyrus: Isaiah proclaims that Cyrus would give the actual command to rebuild Jerusalem. God declares through the prophet, ”He [Cyrus] shall build My city” (Isaiah 45:13; see also Ezra 1:1-8, 6:1-5). Indeed, it was Cyrus who issued a proclamation (ca. 537 B.C.E.) for the return, and for the rebuilding to start. This occurred forty-nine years after the destruction of Jerusalem. God declares concerning Cyrus, ”He is My shepherd, and shall perform all My pleasures; even saying of Jerusalem: ’She shall be built’; and to the Temple: ‘Your foundation shall be laid’” (Isaiah 44:28). Hence, the Scriptures teach that it was during the reign of Cyrus that the rebuilding of the city began. This was symbolized, first of all, by the start of construction on the Second Temple, which was completed ca. 516 B.C.E., seventy years after the destruction. It is with the completion of the Temple that the period of desolation officially terminates.
Isaiah 45:1 describes Cyrus as God’s ”anointed. His decree to rebuild Jerusalem comes forty-nine years after the destruction of the city and the Temple, which is the time when an ”anointed one” (Daniel 9:25) is to come to fulfill the prophecy, ”. . . until an anointed one, a prince, shall be seven weeks [forty-nine years].”
When all is said and done, the biblical record must speak for itself. That record shows that it was Cyrus (Isaiah 45:13), who is given credit by God for the rebuilding of Jerusalem. As we have seen, the initial effort to rebuild was a direct result of Cyrus’ decree. All subsequent permits were based on this decree.
The first seven weeks ends in 537 B.C.E. The second segment of the Seventy Weeks period, sixty-two weeks in length, covered by verse 26, culminates in 103 B.C.E. (586-49-434=103 B.C.E.). Verse 26 indicates that “after sixty-two weeks an anointed one shall be cut off.” This ”anointed one” is the High Priest Alexander Yannai (103-76 B.C.E.) who came to power just at the end of the sixty-two week period in 103 B.C.E. and was the last of the important Hasmonean leaders. The phrase ”after sixty-two weeks” indicates the time frame during which the ”anointed one shall be cut off,” that is, suffer karet, ”excision.” The penalty accompanying karet (CUTTING OFF) is here aptly described as ”to have nothing,” or ”be no more.” This punishment is given to Alexander Yannai infamous for his unjust, tyrannical, and bloody rule. He is notorious for his open violent animosity against the Pharisees and his brazen rejection of the Oral Law. For example, Josephus records that Alexander Yannai fought against the Pharisees for six years, ”and . . . slew no fewer than fifty thousand of them” (Je-wish Antiquities XIII. 13. 5. [373]). He also ”ordered some eight hundred of the Je-ws to be crucified, and slaughtered their children and wives before the eyes of the still living wretches” (Je-wish Antiquities XIII. 14. 2. [380]).

THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER IS THERE IS NO GET OUT OF HELL GO TO HEAVEN CARD EVEN JC WONT HELP YOU LIKE THAT

BUT IF YOU TRY TO DO GOOD WITH ALL YOU HEART AND TURN FROM EVIL THINGS WILL BE OK

The Brother of Jesus was a Je-w as Jesus himself and saw the followers of his brother Jesus as members of the Je-wish faith. He nor his brother intended to start a new religion. James after the death of Jesus tried prevent the new religion called “Christianity” from coming into fruition, but he failed.



The apostle Paul influenced people not to Join the Je-ws as Jesus was teaching but to worship Jesus as God and enter the New religion of Christianity. Jesus, the Je-w, taught that man could earn God’s grace through repentance and righteousness. Paul taught salvation could only be obtained through belief in the Dead Jesus.



A serious Schism developed in the Church in the 4th century over the question of whether Jesus was part of God but not equal to Him as was held by the Arius churchman of Alexandria and the Athenians who held that Jesus was a part of God and equal to him. This Dispute was settled by the Roman emperor Constantine at the council of Nicaea, who had just converted to Christianity. He did not know much but he decided that the Arius churchman of Alexandria was heresy in favor of the Athenians who held that Jesus was a part of God and equal to him. More Christians killed each other over this Issue than were killed by the Romans in 3 centuries of persecution.



The Church sought to establish converts to its new religion and did this by the sword, in 10 centuries of armed conversions from about the year 300-1300. Thus was Christianity established on European soil. Every on had a choice to become a Christian or dead. The only exception to the was the Je-ws who the church thought to preserve as living proof of the authenticity of the Bible.

It is known that Eisav’s descendants accepted Christianity, Ishmael’s Islam. Islam and Christianity, both religions, are based on Judaism, on the revelations the Nation of Yisrael witnessed experienced. The Christians by including the Tanach”h (Je-wish Bible) with their book and Islam’s Koran claims to be a continuation of the revelation of the God who gave the Torah, the God of Israel.

So Islam and Christianity Testify to the truth of the Torah, they wish it were their own. In the end Islam and Christianity are Je-wish wanna be religions

SLANDERING PEOPLE EVEN ALL THE HEBREW PEOPLE AINT SUCH A GOOD THING TO DO

SLANDER DONT FIND FAVOR BEFORE HEAVEN

WE CALL IT "EVIL SPEECH"

So that's mean that the soul of the prophet Shmuel also plays an important role in thz Gueula ?
In Shaar Hagilgulim, the Ari Zal writes that the root of the soul of the Prophet Shmuel also comes from Cain.

...like rabbis saying you will have 800 gentile slaves each? You need to get of you high horse.

You dont worship the God of the bible. Your rabbis follow a gentile and occult teachings from talmud and the kaballah that has nothing to do with Gods word and achieve nothing but lead you away from God. Thats why i dont care what your threats, you are as irrelevant as a muslim yelling threats about allahs judgement at me. I bet you laugh when you hear muslims do that, then you know what i feel when you do that. But im not angry at you, i want you to repent because i know the truth, and you are the one being misled.

Scripture interpit scripture, Daniel 9 and Isaiah 53 exclude any rabbinic attemt to explain them.

Lets read further. For example Zechariah 7, which tells you why he came as a poor man, Zechariah 9:9 where he will ride in on a donkey, Zechariah 12:10 where YHWH speaks and says he is pierced, or Psalm 22 describing exactly what we read in the New testament with the soldiers casting lots over his garments etc. And even this is just scratching the surface. Here are some collections i found with various prophesies Jesus fullfilled:

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..and if you have questions beyond that, in the former thread i posted the link to Michael Browns channel that answers jewish objections to Jesus being the Messiah:

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Ill let the readers decide who they believe in. A God that will make them slaves to this angry vengeful israeli, or a God that forgives them and gave his life for them despite having done evil things they deserve to die for, so they could live on after this life because God is good and forgiving.

I think you chosen ones should ask yourself why you are so angry? You have nothing to be ashamed of, you are just like us, and this is the God that revealed himself trough the jewish people, father of ALL mankind (i recomend you watch all, its the best i could come up with in a short time):



Only the true living God could do what Jesus did as revealed to us trough the bible.

I allmost forgot this, so here it is, my post about Daniel 9:

Thread: The chosen people vs Daniel 9

No and if I don't get paid by September 11th 2019, add another to list of countries you have been kicked out of.
When U.S. dollar collapses. You will be blamed.

You didn't listen me ever, in any of the Simulations which is Muslims control your land.
Speaking of land, it already belongs to me, I choose who gets to use what.

How many tithes have you actually put in my hand?

I have yet to see 1 cent.

You currently have protected status in Christian lands because I told them to protect you.

Your dream of Noah-hide laws and beheading Christians will not ever be allowed. Christians are the only ones doing any good works at this moment in time.

All your charities are scams enriching your own pockets to skirt tax law.

Im a christian, but notice how followers of judaism put alot of claims to what the text of the bible says which isnt in the bible at all. If they were honest to the old testament, understanding bible passages like Daniel 9 isnt hard at all, since it means what it says, but since they cant deal with what the text says, they have to interpit everything trough the talmud and numeric occultism (kabbalism) so they can do some hefty theological gymnastics to avoid the message and convince their followers it actually mean the OPPOSITE of what it actually says. Again, check out MY link on Daniel 9, without the talmudic nonsense.

RIGHT , WHY ARE YOU IN FRANCE , move to Isreal, Last week I was by the Ari haKadosh on the day of his Hilula

Nothing like Succot in Israel ! More from My upcomming book
Smual's Nashama is from the good of Kayin. It was "gilgul" in Yitro. Nadav and Avihu had the good of the Nefesh and Ruach of Kayin and both were gilgul in Smual. Smual the Prophet is "gilgul" of Ahron, but the main part of him is from Nadav and Aviyhu. (Shar Pasukim p.187, 135) Rabbi Akiva was from the family of Sisera from the source of "kayin". Rav Smual Bar Shalit was from Haman. Haman and Sisera were from Dat, the same source. (Safer Lekutim p.362)

thanks for your comments

wtf YOUR MOUTH IS FULL OF LIES , BASELESS HATRED AND SLANDED

IN HEBREW WE CALLED IN "LOSHON hORA" MEANING EVIL SPEECH

SUCH SLANDER WILL DO YOU NO GOOD


I have yet to see 1 cent

WHAT A LIE AND YOU DONT KNOW ME

WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM
HATE THE JWS A BIT

GET OVER IT ,ALL "REALLY" BEGINS WHEN YOU LOVE GOD AND ALL HIS CREATIONS INSTEAD OF BREEDING HATE AND SLANDER !

True !

YOU GUYS ARE SO FUNNY

#1
i am a Israeli and like some of the things in the NT
you dont know what your talking about AT ALL
for example :
"“The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat. So you must obey them and do everything they tell you.” (Matthew 23:2-3)

If did what you teacher (god) tells you would have been better off !
the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat is a very high place
not good to turn away from such instruction intentionally

MOST CHRISTIANS ABSOLUTELY REFUSE TO FOLLOW THE INSTRUCTION OF THE PHARISEES WHICH IS TORAH LAW even if your teacher and god said you must obey them and do everything they tell you.

#2 you said "Phillip who was an Israeli" there were no israeli then only Hebrews or as they are called today more commonly Jws
no righteous je-w would call himself or let himself be called Phillip in those days, that a Roman name, The only Jws in that time period who took on foreign names were those who wanted to Assimilate to Rome , ,much like reform jws of today in America who abandoned abandon The Torah for assimilation
this is your phillip who you claim things jc is the suffering servant in Isaih ,which no sage before or after at all agrees with

Piffle !

Jesus asked God 3 times to spare His life and then He never asked or complained after. When He said, 'It is finished.' moments before He died He was referencing all things to do with the bruise to the heel from Ge:3:15. Jesus was the 'seed of Eve' and the cross defined 'death' as being what a bruise was equal to. When Jesus says, 'It is done.' as He pours out the last vial He is referencing all things to do with the bruise to Satan's head.

M't:26:42:
He went away again the second time,
and prayed,
saying,
O my Father,
if this cup may not pass away from me,
except I drink it,
thy will be done.

God is pleased that Christ went to the grave because that was the completion of all things to do with the bruise to the heel. The first action was to protect Abraham from harm so he would be the father to the son that is known as the father of the 12 Tribes. That plays a big role in the Eze:37 resurrection verses.

Joh:19:30:
When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar,
he said,
It is finished:
and he bowed his head,
and gave up the ghost.
Re:16:17:
And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air;
and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne,
saying,
It is done.
Isa:53:10:
Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him;
he hath put him to grief:
when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin,
he shall see his seed,
he shall prolong his days,
and the pleasure of the LORD
shall prosper in his hand.
Ge:3:15:
And I will put enmity between thee and the woman,
and between thy seed and her seed;
it shall bruise thy head,
and thou shalt bruise his heel.
Re:12:5:
And she brought forth a man child,
who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron:
and her child was caught up unto God,
and to his throne.

Eze:37:15-19:
The word of the LORD came again unto me,
saying,
Moreover,
thou son of man,
take thee one stick,
and write upon it,
For Judah,
and for the children of Israel his companions:
then take another stick,
and write upon it,
For Joseph,
the stick of Ephraim,
and for all the house of Israel his companions:
And join them one to another into one stick; and they shall become one in thine hand.
And when the children of thy people shall speak unto thee,
saying,
Wilt thou not shew us what thou meanest by these?
Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD;
Behold,
I will take the stick of Joseph,
which is in the hand of Ephraim,
and the tribes of Israel his fellows,
and will put them with him,
even with the stick of Judah,
and make them one stick,
and they shall be one in mine hand.

Having them 'whole' is important to the way Eze:39 is read.

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I think more Christians need to understand that Je...ws think of themselves as the suffering servant and therefore believe themselves to be the messiah.....

And Jesus was right when he told them the parable of why they sought to kill the son -***"to steal his inheritance"***

OP you worship a false god that only knows domination and power and reptilian emotions, hence the obsession with suffering and punishment instead of actual love.

Christ is the true Messiah and son of God. He is a being of pure love and forgiveness and perfection.

YOU SAID
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...like rabbis saying you will have 800 gentile slaves each?"

WHERE THE HECK DID YOU GET THAT ?

I never heard of such a thing

Maybe you are referring to this statement which is absolutely TRUE
"Prophet Zechariah states:
"Thus says YHVH TSVAOT it shall come to pass that there shall come people and the inhabitants of many cities and the inhabitants of one city shall go to another saying let us go speedily to entreat the favor of YHVH , and seek YHVH TSVAOT. I will also go and many people and strong nations will come to seek YHVH TSVAOT in Jerusalem and to pray before YHVH. Thus says YHVH TSVAOT, in those days it will come to pass that ten men out of all the languages of the nations will take hold and seize the corner of the garment of He that is a Je'w saying, we will go with you for we have heard Eloheme is with you" (8:20)

You are right at least 800 gentile Gentiles will come to Je'wish people not as slaves but to learn the truth of the Torah


YOU SAID
"Thats why i dont care what your threats"

I made no threats , i only said what you already know
"What you do comes back to you"
YOU KNOW SPEAK SLANDER AND LIES ABOUT PEOPLE DOES NOT FIND FAVOR FROM GOD BUT THE OPPOSITE

EXAMPLE
"You dont worship the God of the bible"
You do not know me
For over the last years I have done spent all my time learning God's word, teaching it, doing acts of kindness, charity and praying. And for the last 10 years i have been with a group that prays every morning at sunrise for 2hours 45 minutes every morning according to the tradition of the biblical prophet. Which took many years to learn. On the Sabbath the meditation is about 5 hours in the morning. All this came at the cost of great self sacrifice. In order to have the time to learn Hebrew and Aromaic and learn the achient books for years i lived in forests , abandoned buildings , caves and where ever. Thank God now I dont need to but i still love being with God in nature.


You say "Your rabbis follow a gentile and occult teachings from talmud and the kaballah "

Wrong

We follow the 613 Biblical commandments , each is directly commanded by a verse in the Torah. Talmud just explains in 63 tractates how these things are fulfilled, Kaballah explains the "spiritual" aspect of them and the order of unfolding of the Divine light. But all laws are directly from Torah Verses. The laws are commanded to Yisrael as its written

"And the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, Speak to the people of Israel, and tell them that they make them fringes in the borders of their garments throughout their generations, and that they put upon the fringe of the borders a thread of blue." (Numbers 15)
How the fringes are made, how many other details are explained in the Talmud, The kaballah explains how they work
all according to the tradition we received from God through Moses .


AS FAR AS

"collections i found with various prophesies Jesus fullfilled"

To me thats irrelevant , There is no source in the Bible that says the Messiah will be killed and come back again many years later ?

also the Messiah is NOT GOD

The Messiah will be known by all who merit to see that day when THE REDEMPTION HAPPENS. THERE HAVE BEEN MANY FAILED MESSIAHS. THEY ARE ALL DEAD , EITHER THEY MESSED UP, OR OR THE GENERATION DID NOT MERIT REDEMPTION

To me the Bible is not a search for WHO IS THE MESSIAH
its lessons on how to be in awe and love with God ALL THE TIME

i am very busy man but i take the time to answer you because you are since in belief in God

we know not everyone is meant to serve God as he commanded the Hebrew , that why almost all the commandments were given saying "Speak to the people of Israel, and tell them that they make them fringes"
This way of service of God is not expected from all men, it was commanded to Israel

WE KNOW " The Lord is near to all those who call upon him, to all who call upon him in truth." (PSALM 145)
God searches the hearts of men and their deeds regardless of their belief system

God cammanded Torah to Yisrael there are other way
God hears all who call upon them in truth , even if they think the Messiah has already come

I hope we will merit to celebrate that day
Love and Peace

touché.
You just speared the OP... maybe water and blood pours out of OP the servant now?

Correct.
One third of them gets saved though.
And do not forget Romans 11.
They're enemies for our sake.
Doubt OP is one of those though, OP is most likely one of the two thirds that goes into the fire and burns up instead of being refined, you see OP ain't able to learn anything.
With the amount of stuff OP is told he should have been saved by now.

If they were not cut off as they are at the present.
They've been delivered dead bones back in Israel.

OP is dead mens bones in a whited sephulre.

But that one third is getting graft back into the Olive tree.

G-d bless you