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Germany Prepares Stimulus In Case Of "Deep Recession"

 
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Germany Prepares Stimulus In Case Of "Deep Recession"
Nearly two weeks after Der Spiegel sent its first trial balloon about the prospects that the German government might crank up its fiscal stimulus if Europe's largest economy slides into recession (which, as we explained last week, is already on the cusp of doing), the trial balloons have crossed the Atlantic.

Bloomberg reported on Monday that the German government is preparing to embrace new fiscal stimulus measures should its economy stumble into a deep recession, "citing two people with direct knowledge of the matter."



Last time around, when the German economy succumbed to the global financial panic during the great financial crisis, the German government similarly doled out bonuses to prod Germans to buy new cars. Now, the government is studying incentives to improve energy efficiency of homes, promote short-term hiring and boost income through social welfare.

Berlin could inject 50 billion euros ($55 billion) of extra spending, Finance Minister Olaf Scholz said on Sunday, adding that Germany has the fiscal strength to counter any future economic crisis "with full force."

Strategists at Mizuho have pointed out that these reports are probably over-hyped, and that the ECB would likely re-launch QE before Germany turns on the fiscal taps.

The point which is being missed is that said German fiscal stimulus is conditional on a recession, and existing law already allows for this. The ECB would probably restart QE before the German fiscal taps were at risk of being nudged open. We suspect the market is simply trading the headlines in a kneejerk manner and the summer liquidity is allowing for the moves to go unfaded. As the Bund swap spread is now tighter than it was in the QE regime, this seems to be once again inconsistent with market expectations of an ECB monetary easing "package."

One strategist for CMC markets questioned whether this jawboning will continue to have an impact.

"You have just got a little bit of portfolio readjustment, a resetting of expectations. The big question is whether it can last," said Michael Hewson, chief market strategist at CMC Markets. "Talking about fiscal stimulus in Germany is one thing, doing it is something else."

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Re: Germany Prepares Stimulus In Case Of "Deep Recession"
Deutsche and Commerzbank are dead already,
50b is a joke for a 50Trillion derivatives portfolio -

its all going down
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Re: Germany Prepares Stimulus In Case Of "Deep Recession"
Germany needs to realise that the EU is dead.

They will now be forced into war with Russia but first a war by Muslims led by Israel to kill the German population that resists war against Russia. When Muslim population hits critical mass, then Germany will be annihilated one more time.
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08/19/2019 09:16 AM
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Re: Germany Prepares Stimulus In Case Of "Deep Recession"
Deutsche and Commerzbank are dead already,
50b is a joke for a 50Trillion derivatives portfolio -

its all going down
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Who is to say they can't just press print and PRESTO 50 trillion new funny money and the math works again.
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Re: Germany Prepares Stimulus In Case Of "Deep Recession"
Deutsche and Commerzbank are dead already,
50b is a joke for a 50Trillion derivatives portfolio -

its all going down
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77918535


Who is to say they can't just press print and PRESTO 50 trillion new funny money and the math works again.
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Germany does not have the world's reserve currency so that one is hard to due. It works temporarily for the USA because we do have the world reserve currency, but not for long.

When Germany as a country defaults on its international debt (trust me, it will) you have about 2 weeks to get your money out of US banks before they close for the foreseeable future. After that, you may only get around $500-$700 per week out of the bank long term.
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Re: Germany Prepares Stimulus In Case Of "Deep Recession"
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Re: Germany Prepares Stimulus In Case Of "Deep Recession"
Deutsche and Commerzbank are dead already,
50b is a joke for a 50Trillion derivatives portfolio -

its all going down
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77918535


Who is to say they can't just press print and PRESTO 50 trillion new funny money and the math works again.
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Germany does not have the world's reserve currency so that one is hard to due. It works temporarily for the USA because we do have the world reserve currency, but not for long.

When Germany as a country defaults on its international debt (trust me, it will) you have about 2 weeks to get your money out of US banks before they close for the foreseeable future. After that, you may only get around $500-$700 per week out of the bank long term.
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hesright



Exactly, Germany cannot print euro when they feel like it, that can only happen by direction of the ECB

We will see a situation like Greece again, where banks will close their doors for a while and cash will be limited to a daily allowance from ATM's to prevent a run on the banks.
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Re: Germany Prepares Stimulus In Case Of "Deep Recession"
"Deep Recession" = Depression.
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Re: Germany Prepares Stimulus In Case Of "Deep Recession"
Germany needs to realise that the EU is dead.

They will now be forced into war with Russia but first a war by Muslims led by Israel to kill the German population that resists war against Russia. When Muslim population hits critical mass, then Germany will be annihilated one more time.
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They know it. And now that the UK's kicked out the EU patsy Theresa May, and are calling their bluff on Brexit, they're well and truly stuffed. Without British billions coming in there's nothing to fall back on.

But you're wrong about war with Russia, they're forming an alliance with Putin...
Thread: Macron's having meetings with Putin. Germans want the US out of Germany. EU-Russia alliance against the Anglo-Saxon world?
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08/19/2019 10:19 AM
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they got lots of skilled immigrants to help them recover tho
Grove

And this is why we can't have nice things.
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Sounds like it would be easy to get a job in Germany... hmm

MONEY!!!
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Re: Germany Prepares Stimulus In Case Of "Deep Recession"
"Deep Recession" = Depression.
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"Deep Recession" = Depression = Market Meltdown !
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Re: Germany Prepares Stimulus In Case Of "Deep Recession"
Germany has printed DeutschMark already in preparation for the collapse -

EUR goes down

end of story
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08/19/2019 11:43 AM
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Re: Germany Prepares Stimulus In Case Of "Deep Recession"
Germany has printed DeutschMark already in preparation for the collapse -

EUR goes down

end of story
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Surprised the can been kicked down the road this long
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Re: Germany Prepares Stimulus In Case Of "Deep Recession"
Euro is not "working" for Germany?

Surprising. The EU nation's economies are competing each other even though they're allied( besides the outsiders like USA where I live) :)

Spain is in the same situation so I've read.

Is Germany economy failing because no one is buying a Mercedes?

Strange.
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Re: Germany Prepares Stimulus In Case Of "Deep Recession"
It all kicks off on October the 31st

We are going to leave the EU no deal, and basically stop trading with them all together
We will trade with America instead

Think that might be enough to push the who shit show over the edge
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Re: Germany Prepares Stimulus In Case Of "Deep Recession"
On the plus side we can go back to nice cheap European holidays again
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Re: Germany Prepares Stimulus In Case Of "Deep Recession"
Germany has printed DeutschMark already in preparation for the collapse -

EUR goes down

end of story
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I have heard this same thing from other Germans who (IMHO) were reasonably positioned to know.
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Re: Germany Prepares Stimulus In Case Of "Deep Recession"
Germany needs to realise that the EU is dead.

They will now be forced into war with Russia but first a war by Muslims led by Israel to kill the German population that resists war against Russia. When Muslim population hits critical mass, then Germany will be annihilated one more time.
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good,they are an embarrassment to the WHIT race, which they DO NOT BELONG TO!!! RIP GERMANY!!
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Re: Germany Prepares Stimulus In Case Of "Deep Recession"
Bundesbank warns Germany could be about to fall into recession

Germany is on the brink of a recession after the country’s central bank warned that Europe’s largest economy is at risk of shrinking further in the third quarter of the year.

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€50 billion?

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Re: Germany Prepares Stimulus In Case Of "Deep Recession"
goodbye , farewell , auf weidesehen (, adieu



lol :)
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Re: Germany Prepares Stimulus In Case Of "Deep Recession"
Germany has printed DeutschMark already in preparation for the collapse -

EUR goes down

end of story
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opinion - or do you have a link?
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Re: Germany Prepares Stimulus In Case Of "Deep Recession"
German economic collapse was baked into the cake when they supported the Obama's Ukraine coup and Russia sanctions. Now with Brexit and Iran sanctions, they are even more screwed.





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