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Do You Really Think China Is Going To Cave And Sign Trump's Trade Deal?

 
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This board now has CHINA written all over it.
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Some people have businesses here that import from China for resale. Not gonna name names, was mentioned in another thread.
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Seriously?

lol

Does it look like they are yielding right now or retaliating?

This isn't a real-estate deal and Trump isn't holding all the cards here.

This is going to end very badly for Trump and the United States..

Trump cannot back down, his ego will not allow it.

CHINA WILL NOT YIELD.

China will continue with 'measured response' and Trump will likely threaten them right into further escalation.

Very fucking stupid in my opinion.
 Quoting: ^TrInItY^


China will yield or they will start WW3. They don't have any other options. Not yielding will collapse their economy making it harder to fight a war. I think, and the bible seems to indicate, they will opt for war
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73186423


And that is exactly what tptb want, this is all manufactured and plays out into WWIII.
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This board now has CHINA written all over it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75151949


Some people have businesses here that import from China for resale. Not gonna name names, was mentioned in another thread.
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Name and shame them!
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No,

But eventually they'll adhere to something that is Better than what we had (worse for them).

They can't stay alive indefinitely, being that their entire business model is carried by the state whenever problems like this arises, they'll run out of money very quickly.

in effect, they could actually become a net BORROWER from the US inside of 18 months.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75856653


Chinese companies have already borrowed 1.2 trillion USD which means the chinese government has as well. Trust me china is hurting badly. 3 bank closures. Gdp dwindling and companies fleeing. Not to mention this fiasco is shining light on their massive underground debt markets.
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What fucking planet are you guys from ?
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I know right?

China trades with the ENTIRE WORLD.

EVERYONE buys their goods.

If they stopped selling us shit all together we would be FUCKED.

Major lifestyle downgrade for the entire country which is exactly the plan.

Just wait and see where this goes.
 Quoting: ^TrInItY^



If they stopped selling us shit wed be fucked?!?! Why because only china knows how to produce things?? Gtfo with that nonsense. We hold almost all the cards. China is a house of cards
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76288827



So you think we can immediately manufacture and replace all the goods that they supply us?
 Quoting: Maddrummerboy


yes or we could get them from another nation
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China will eventually cave in as the President has nothing to loose while they could forego EVERYTHING if they carry on pushing. He is like no other president before and they should understand this before it is too late.
They cannot hope their usual games will work this time. Everyone who has tried has been wiped out or exposed for the vile activity they are doing themselves.
The game is up. End off!
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China economically is a paper tiger. They cannot Alford to not move supply. They have water issues west of the yellow river. They have a lot of economic unrest too.

 Quoting: Mason Firefly


25% of the US population is able to waddle to the fridge and little else. Good chunks of the rest are demographics that have big issues with the status quo, that Lump has been agitating on since getting elected. Sure hope if there aren't any muslim militants among the African-American population just loosed from the Big House, and if so background checks prempt them buying semi-auto weapons.

The chicoms around Xi will sacrifice 500M of their own people to further their aims. That's how they roll, not unlike other meglomaniacs like Stalin, Pol Pot, Hitler.

When you get right down to it, US military aside, who's the paper tiger? And even then, who knows what Obamao and his handler Jarrett were advancing in the military ranks while in office.
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No, not immediately. Ultimately, it is about saving face. So some distraction has to be created to pivot and also save face simultaneously. He who controls China's food supply steers the head of the red dragon.

Caution, antagonizing a hungry furious dragon requires great skill. I don't think people with that skill set operate within government circles anymore. So war maybe on the horizon unless the communists can be subdued and reasonable fair minded people on both sides can be brought to the negotiation table. China desires harmony, wealth, respect and control.
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VERY CLEAR that Trump was made president to start ww3.

The cabal took over 300 years to go around the world on wooden boats to conquer most of the world. The cabal have killed anyone that ever got in the way of there complete global dominance. You dumb fools really think that Trump would still be alive if he REALLY was against the cabal....
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This board now has CHINA written all over it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75151949


Some people have businesses here that import from China for resale. Not gonna name names, was mentioned in another thread.
 Quoting: Copperhead


Name and shame them!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77116351


Don't look too far
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Seriously?

lol

Does it look like they are yielding right now or retaliating?

This isn't a real-estate deal and Trump isn't holding all the cards here.

This is going to end very badly for Trump and the United States..

Trump cannot back down, his ego will not allow it.

CHINA WILL NOT YIELD.

China will continue with 'measured response' and Trump will likely threaten them right into further escalation.

Very fucking stupid in my opinion.
 Quoting: ^TrInItY^


Trinitys gone froot loops. China is hurting very badly right. Ow. They may hold out longer but it will just continue the pain. Especially if we begin to replace them for rare earth minerals with suppliers such as afghanistan or greenland
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76288827


lol

Yeah because afghanistan and greenland are totally onboard the Trump train...

SMH
 Quoting: ^TrInItY^

Do you know how fucking stupid you look when you mention Greenland and you have Q thread on your own site? It's like you aren't into conspiracy at all and this is just a money scheme for you. Sad as fuck!
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I know right?

China trades with the ENTIRE WORLD.

EVERYONE buys their goods.

If they stopped selling us shit all together we would be FUCKED.

Major lifestyle downgrade for the entire country which is exactly the plan.

Just wait and see where this goes.
 Quoting: ^TrInItY^



If they stopped selling us shit wed be fucked?!?! Why because only china knows how to produce things?? Gtfo with that nonsense. We hold almost all the cards. China is a house of cards
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76288827



So you think we can immediately manufacture and replace all the goods that they supply us?
 Quoting: Maddrummerboy


yes or we could get them from another nation
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AS if you would help from them after slamming them with trade tarrifs.... chuckle
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China is like a spoiled child. They have had Most Favored Nation (MFN) and free trade for decades. How do you deal with a spoiled kid who needs discipline? They are not just going to say "oh well it was free for 30 years but we have to start paying". Trump has to play hardball. Let the cheap Chinese shit stack up on their docks. We run a huge deficit with them, who needs who most? Trump will settle for less but he can not lead off with a lowball offer.
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You're starting to bait like the New York Times.

China isn't going to "cave".

Both will eventually come to an agreement that saves face and is good for both.

Cave.
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I know right?

China trades with the ENTIRE WORLD.

EVERYONE buys their goods.

If they stopped selling us shit all together we would be FUCKED.

Major lifestyle downgrade for the entire country which is exactly the plan.

Just wait and see where this goes.
 Quoting: ^TrInItY^



If they stopped selling us shit wed be fucked?!?! Why because only china knows how to produce things?? Gtfo with that nonsense. We hold almost all the cards. China is a house of cards
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76288827



So you think we can immediately manufacture and replace all the goods that they supply us?
 Quoting: Maddrummerboy


yes or we could get them from another nation
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77933665



cruise
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I think the ultimate goal is to create jobs in the USA, not negotiate a great trade deal
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yup, you nailed it Trin.

TPP was designed to reign in China in a sensible manner. TPP did have drawbacks in some areas though. Maybe Trump should have tried re-negotiating TPP instead of ditching it entirely? Alas, that was too sane of an option for someone like Trump unfortunately lol.
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TPP would have been disastrous for the U.S. economy.

Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP): Assault on Our Sovereignty, Our Constitution, Our Liberty



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Trump's problem is he has to play by the rules, China does not. He can't force American companies to leave China; The Chinese can force their companies to do whatever the government wants. Trump must balance a trade war with how it affects the American people, farmers, his voters, US companies, etc., etc.; China will let their people starve without batting an eye, and could care less if the world plunges into a recession because the rules of a recession don't really apply to them.

So here's the dilemma; China cheats, steals, and manipulates, and has gotten away with it for years because they cheat, steal, and manipulate. Let it continue, and they will surpass the United States as a global power within the next few years.

Fight back against them, and the entire world economy is put at risk.

It was lose-lose from the beginning. But I prefer the option in which we actually fight back instead of just sitting back and taking it. Not everyone has the stomach for that, which I can also understand.

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It will hurt them, but they won't fold.
American corporations sold out years ago and moved to "cheaper" waters. Be it China or another country with low wages, the trade deficit will continue regardless.

Corporations are only interested in the bottom dollar. There's a reason Trump and Ivanka manufactured there.

Considering the majority are either global conglomerates or subsidiaries of, the idea they'll somehow magically restart the American manufacturing sector overnight is a pipe dream - not to mention the drastic price hikes if they did on the majority of products.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 54331826


Look at the trade imbalance
The biggest imbalance is with the US at 275 billion dollars.
Then the EU at 177 billion dollars.
Hong Kong doesn't count since it's part of China.

Now look at the imbalances for the rest they have small imbalances with China even losing money to some of their trade partners.

They will collapse if we cut them off.

Problem is you are correct that they will just move the factories to the next 3rd world nation with cheap labor.
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Oh it will hurt them, I stated as much.
Collapse them?
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Most Canadians probably don’t know that many of our pharmaceuticals come from places like India and China. When I asked one industry insider how much of the medicines we routinely swallow everyday come from overseas, his answer was simple: most of it. Most of the North American supply of aspirin, for example, comes from China, which produces about 120 billion tablets per year.


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We have found that 70% of popular brand-name drugs sold in U.S. pharmacies are imported

First article is Canadian (hard to find this info) but the point remains the same. Even your medicine is largely imported now (globalization and what not). Simply imagine the price hike on aspirin, let alone the expensive medication.

US will be more damaged then China, and more specifically, the average person will feel the burn more - especially considering how many are already living paycheck to paycheck, negatively with credit cards, etc
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China has no backup country to trade with. Atleast US can find another 3rd world country like Brazil,India or Mexico to trade with. It is a do or die for China but not for United States.
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china can go back to rice farms
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Not of the cccp wants to remain in power
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Trump is playing: The Art of the Deal
China is playing: The Art of War


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Do you notice how similar the titles are?

Trump has studied the art of war inside, outside, and upside down.

Why do you think he titled his books after it?

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Seriously?

lol

Does it look like they are yielding right now or retaliating?

This isn't a real-estate deal and Trump isn't holding all the cards here.

This is going to end very badly for Trump and the United States..

Trump cannot back down, his ego will not allow it.

CHINA WILL NOT YIELD.

China will continue with 'measured response' and Trump will likely threaten them right into further escalation.

Very fucking stupid in my opinion.
 Quoting: ^TrInItY^


Your president is not working with a full deck. There is no way he can win this.
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justin t as your leader makes you're opinion null and void
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Nice assumption, you Trumpster idiot. I'm definitely no fan of Trudeau. Narcissistic lunatic to the south; narcissistic weakling to the north.
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These China threads really show how some Americans cling to their almighty $ vs the Bible.


Just reflects the faith people have in money, as if its their savior, the $, will lead them to a perfect life on earth.


Seems like China is pretty close to having the US right were they want them to be. Control comes in many forms, and China is good at playing the game.
 Quoting: Pony Up


China is Communist = ANTI GOD ... and you want us to help them push their agenda to replace god ? It's not about $$ it is about personal sovereignty - and the USA is the only nation that supports Independence ... which is why it is the target of the godless globalists
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Fixed Your Headline

Do You Really Think China Is Going To Cave And Sign “PRESIDENT” Trump's Trade Deal?
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Not my president.
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If they stopped selling us shit wed be fucked?!?! Why because only china knows how to produce things?? Gtfo with that nonsense. We hold almost all the cards. China is a house of cards
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76288827



So you think we can immediately manufacture and replace all the goods that they supply us?
 Quoting: Maddrummerboy


yes or we could get them from another nation
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77933665


AS if you would help from them after slamming them with trade tarrifs.... chuckle
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73817748


Why wouldn't other nations want to sell us stuff?

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Fixed Your Headline

Do You Really Think China Is Going To Cave And Sign “PRESIDENT” Trump's Trade Deal?
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Not my president.
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then fuck off, you commie bastard
lock her up! (and barry too). we're still waiting...

TRUMP 2020!
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I predict China Wins and we come in 2nd or 3rd placepeaceabduct
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hahahaha

wow

You don't know Chinese people very well.

They will negotiate but when you start bullying them...

You'll get nothing.

Trump thinks he can bully them into compliance.

Trump isn't very smart.
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and you don't know Human nature very well ... at the first sign of weakness the oppressed people of China will free themselves ...

Independence is the PRIME DIRECTIVE of ALL HUMANITY and now that they have a taste of it, they will die for a full meal of freedom
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Agree the time is ripe. Where's the next Ronald Reagan when you need him?

C'mon Pence! 25th Ammendment Trump into the dustbin, and then Xi, Putin, and the rest fold like cheap suits.

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China has a history of waiting things out if needed. We dont.





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