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Anonymous Coward User ID: 76669404 United States 09/03/2019 09:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This idea of social and environmental horror is not found in The Bible as it is promoted during a space of 7 years. Such a teaching did not appear until about 170 years ago. It was not part of the Original Church's beliefs. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76394364 Today, the only people who promote The 7 Year Tribulation are the church owners who like to frighten people into supposedly getting saved and then giving money to that church. These type of people who own those churches are false leaders, trying to get rich. They always give loud mouthed and emotional, rhetorically driven speeches in Church on Sunday morning. In fact, there are so many varied definitions and explanations about the so called Tribulation, the rational conclusion about it is that it does not come from God's Word. God's Word is clear and powerful to the Human condition, and to the Future, that such ambiguity about The Tribulation is strong evidence for its error. I'm not positive if you are arguing against a 7 year tribulation period or any kind of apocalyptic scenarios at all, but there is definitely narrative descriptions of a situation near the inauguration of the Kingdom that states "if the days were not shortened, no flesh would remain" and would be a scenario never experienced before on the Earth. This is Yeshua Messiah Himself speaking on the topic and part of His quote is from another Prophet 400 years before His time: Mat 24:15 Then when you see the abomination of desolation, which was spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place (the one reading, let him understand), Dan. 11:31; 12:11 Mat 24:16 then let those in Judea flee into the mountains; Mat 24:17 the one on the housetop, let him not go down to take anything out of his house; Mat 24:18 and the one in the field, let him not turn back to take his garment. Mat 24:19 But woe to the ones having a child in womb, and to those suckling in those days! Mat 24:20 And pray that your flight will not occur in winter nor in a sabbath. Mat 24:21 For there will be great affliction, such as has not happened from the beginning of the world until now, no, nor ever will be. Mat 24:22 And except those days were shortened, not any flesh would be saved. But on account of the elect, those days will be shortened. This text has been found in the Greek, Aramaic, Latin and even Hebrew New Testament texts and referenced by Early believers in other works going back to the late 1st and Mid 2nd centuries. That is within 50 years of the actual events of Messiah on Earth. Not quite sure what your issue is with this information, but this has been in the Text of the New and are referenced from prophets in the Old Testaments. It's in the Bible. What may not be Bibical is the "7 Year" part. 3-1/2 years, 42 months, 1,260, 1,290 1,335 days are all indications of a similar period of time after this character shows up on the world scene as mentioned by Daniel the Prophet and Quoted by Yeshua Messiah . This is only One example of this Period on Earth. There are more by different Authors all describing similar situations on Earth. Shalom |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 76669404 United States 09/03/2019 09:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The above is a direct response from Yeshua to a direct question from His closest disciples: Mat 24:3 And as He was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, Tell us, when will these things be? And, What is the sign of Your coming and of the end of the age? Mat 24:4 And answering, Jesus said to them, See that not any leads you astray. And part of His response is what is in the Bilbical text above. You are free to believe what you want, but saying this is not in Scripture is blatantly false. I did not wish to fill your blog entry with more examples, but I can add the environmental and social narratives if you desire. I pray we are all prepared for His return. Shalom - Yehovah's Fullness of Peace and Wholeness to you in Yeshua Messiah . |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 76669404 United States 09/03/2019 10:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Most Christians are far too confident in their beliefs. The truth is that no one knows what's going on. The bible is too vague and it was put together and transcribed by way too many people over the course of many years. Everyone is full of shit. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72460461 I am not confident of anything other than this scenario is in Scripture, as I presented in contradiction to the OP's statement. I did not state anything other than a direct response to OP's Statement this scenario is not in Scripture. The Scripture reference above was quoted by a disciple of the writer of the Gospel of John who lived in the late 1st century and who was then repeated by others including Eusibius in ~340AD, so whether there are transcription issues or not this is a well documented Scriptural Text going back to within 50 years of the actual events. Your issue with your own position and other's who decide to put their Hope in the Promises of the Creator is your own challenge in life. Shalom - Peace and Wholeness in Mesiah Yeshua to you and your loved ones |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 77976248 United States 09/03/2019 10:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What?!? Not only is it true, you can see the signs all around us.... For example, the antichrist will rise- and control the whole economy of the world.... And we see what they call 'globalists' pushing for a global government- as we speak/type. This was prophesied about 2000 years ago... and we see it happening right before our very eyes! Reference passage: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Revelation Chapter 13, verses 11-18 [link to www.biblegateway.com (secure)] 11 Then I saw a second beast, coming out of the earth. It had two horns like a lamb, but it spoke like a dragon. 12 It exercised all the authority of the first beast on its behalf, and made the earth and its inhabitants worship the first beast, whose fatal wound had been healed. 13 And it performed great signs, even causing fire to come down from heaven to the earth in full view of the people. 14 Because of the signs it was given power to perform on behalf of the first beast, it deceived the inhabitants of the earth. It ordered them to set up an image in honor of the beast who was wounded by the sword and yet lived. 15 The second beast was given power to give breath to the image of the first beast, so that the image could speak and cause all who refused to worship the image to be killed. 16 It also forced all people, great and small, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hands or on their foreheads, 17 so that they could not buy or sell unless they had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of its name. 18 This calls for wisdom. Let the person who has insight calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man. That number is 666. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 67511492 United States 09/03/2019 11:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This idea of social and environmental horror is not found in The Bible as it is promoted during a space of 7 years. Such a teaching did not appear until about 170 years ago. It was not part of the Original Church's beliefs. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76394364 Today, the only people who promote The 7 Year Tribulation are the church owners who like to frighten people into supposedly getting saved and then giving money to that church. These type of people who own those churches are false leaders, trying to get rich. They always give loud mouthed and emotional, rhetorically driven speeches in Church on Sunday morning. In fact, there are so many varied definitions and explanations about the so called Tribulation, the rational conclusion about it is that it does not come from God's Word. God's Word is clear and powerful to the Human condition, and to the Future, that such ambiguity about The Tribulation is strong evidence for its error. I'm not positive if you are arguing against a 7 year tribulation period or any kind of apocalyptic scenarios at all, but there is definitely narrative descriptions of a situation near the inauguration of the Kingdom that states "if the days were not shortened, no flesh would remain" and would be a scenario never experienced before on the Earth. This is Yeshua Messiah Himself speaking on the topic and part of His quote is from another Prophet 400 years before His time: Mat 24:15 Then when you see the abomination of desolation, which was spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place (the one reading, let him understand), Dan. 11:31; 12:11 Mat 24:16 then let those in Judea flee into the mountains; Mat 24:17 the one on the housetop, let him not go down to take anything out of his house; Mat 24:18 and the one in the field, let him not turn back to take his garment. Mat 24:19 But woe to the ones having a child in womb, and to those suckling in those days! Mat 24:20 And pray that your flight will not occur in winter nor in a sabbath. Mat 24:21 For there will be great affliction, such as has not happened from the beginning of the world until now, no, nor ever will be. Mat 24:22 And except those days were shortened, not any flesh would be saved. But on account of the elect, those days will be shortened. This text has been found in the Greek, Aramaic, Latin and even Hebrew New Testament texts and referenced by Early believers in other works going back to the late 1st and Mid 2nd centuries. That is within 50 years of the actual events of Messiah on Earth. Not quite sure what your issue is with this information, but this has been in the Text of the New and are referenced from prophets in the Old Testaments. It's in the Bible. What may not be Bibical is the "7 Year" part. 3-1/2 years, 42 months, 1,260, 1,290 1,335 days are all indications of a similar period of time after this character shows up on the world scene as mentioned by Daniel the Prophet and Quoted by Yeshua Messiah . This is only One example of this Period on Earth. There are more by different Authors all describing similar situations on Earth. Shalom Let's take your numbers and show the secret formula to the rapture 1260 + 1335 = 2595 days from beginning to rapture Remember JEsus said the end would be like the days of Noah? 7 days + 40 days is really 7 years + 40 days = 7 * 365 days + 40 days = the same 2595 days. Days of Noah reference So yes, there is a 7-year tribulation and the rapture is after that in the first 40 days of the 8th year called "The Day of the Lord" (A year of Vengeance Isa 34:8). |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 76669404 United States 09/03/2019 11:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You know why op says things like that, is because he has never experienced god or the Holy Spirit. Quoting: Silver bird 75436794 Yes, That why I tried to keep the subject to just his topic and Hope and Pray that Our Maker would bless him with the peace Comfort, Guidance and Instruction by the Set-Apart Spirit that I (We) have in Our Hope in Messiah Yeshua. Shalom to you From Yehovah In Yeshua, Our Kinsman Redeemer Master and coming King. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 76394364 United States 09/04/2019 03:15 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Most Christians are far too confident in their beliefs. The truth is that no one knows what's going on. The bible is too vague and it was put together and transcribed by way too many people over the course of many years. Everyone is full of shit. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72460461 I am not confident of anything other than this scenario is in Scripture, as I presented in contradiction to the OP's statement. I did not state anything other than a direct response to OP's Statement this scenario is not in Scripture. The Scripture reference above was quoted by a disciple of the writer of the Gospel of John who lived in the late 1st century and who was then repeated by others including Eusibius in ~340AD, so whether there are transcription issues or not this is a well documented Scriptural Text going back to within 50 years of the actual events. Your issue with your own position and other's who decide to put their Hope in the Promises of the Creator is your own challenge in life. Shalom - Peace and Wholeness in Mesiah Yeshua to you and your loved ones There is no "promise of the Creator" that writings ascribed to Apostle Matthew are correct. There are only thinly contrived human theories. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 76394364 United States 09/04/2019 03:16 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What?!? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77976248 Not only is it true, you can see the signs all around us.... For example, the antichrist will rise- and control the whole economy of the world.... And we see what they call 'globalists' pushing for a global government- as we speak/type. This was prophesied about 2000 years ago... and we see it happening right before our very eyes! Reference passage: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Revelation Chapter 13, verses 11-18 [link to www.biblegateway.com (secure)] 11 Then I saw a second beast, coming out of the earth. It had two horns like a lamb, but it spoke like a dragon. 12 It exercised all the authority of the first beast on its behalf, and made the earth and its inhabitants worship the first beast, whose fatal wound had been healed. 13 And it performed great signs, even causing fire to come down from heaven to the earth in full view of the people. 14 Because of the signs it was given power to perform on behalf of the first beast, it deceived the inhabitants of the earth. It ordered them to set up an image in honor of the beast who was wounded by the sword and yet lived. 15 The second beast was given power to give breath to the image of the first beast, so that the image could speak and cause all who refused to worship the image to be killed. 16 It also forced all people, great and small, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hands or on their foreheads, 17 so that they could not buy or sell unless they had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of its name. 18 This calls for wisdom. Let the person who has insight calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man. That number is 666. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Your cited material says nothing of a 7 year "Tribulation." |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 76394364 United States 09/04/2019 03:20 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You know why op says things like that, is because he has never experienced god or the Holy Spirit. Quoting: Silver bird 75436794 God does not reveal more "experience" of Himself and of The Holy Spirit to humans beyond The Torah and The Prophets. No Pentecostal can replicate any features of The Day of Pentecost given in Acts 2. Thereby their self ascribed name is false. As well, their pronouncements and doctrines are also false. |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 76394364 United States 09/04/2019 03:23 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You know why op says things like that, is because he has never experienced god or the Holy Spirit. Quoting: Silver bird 75436794 Yes, That why I tried to keep the subject to just his topic and Hope and Pray that Our Maker would bless him with the peace Comfort, Guidance and Instruction by the Set-Apart Spirit that I (We) have in Our Hope in Messiah Yeshua. Shalom to you From Yehovah In Yeshua, Our Kinsman Redeemer Master and coming King. Speaking the fancy titles of The Father and The Son does not validate your statements about Eschatology. Perhaps it is time for you to change that rhetoric device before God chastises you Himself. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 77976248 United States 09/04/2019 05:26 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What?!? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77976248 Not only is it true, you can see the signs all around us.... For example, the antichrist will rise- and control the whole economy of the world.... And we see what they call 'globalists' pushing for a global government- as we speak/type. This was prophesied about 2000 years ago... and we see it happening right before our very eyes! Reference passage: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Revelation Chapter 13, verses 11-18 [link to www.biblegateway.com (secure)] 11 Then I saw a second beast, coming out of the earth. It had two horns like a lamb, but it spoke like a dragon. 12 It exercised all the authority of the first beast on its behalf, and made the earth and its inhabitants worship the first beast, whose fatal wound had been healed. 13 And it performed great signs, even causing fire to come down from heaven to the earth in full view of the people. 14 Because of the signs it was given power to perform on behalf of the first beast, it deceived the inhabitants of the earth. It ordered them to set up an image in honor of the beast who was wounded by the sword and yet lived. 15 The second beast was given power to give breath to the image of the first beast, so that the image could speak and cause all who refused to worship the image to be killed. 16 It also forced all people, great and small, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hands or on their foreheads, 17 so that they could not buy or sell unless they had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of its name. 18 This calls for wisdom. Let the person who has insight calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man. That number is 666. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Your cited material says nothing of a 7 year "Tribulation." You are right... The seven-year reign is mentioned in the Old Testament.... To accurately study The Word... bits and pieces are needed- to complete the puzzle/mystery. <50% ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Covenant with Israel 7 Year Peace Treaty The Tribulation will begin when the Antichrist signs a seven-year covenant with Israel. He will not fully honor that covenant but will break it in the middle of the 7 years Daniel's Vision - (see Dan 9:27). ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Reference: [link to www.discoverrevelation.com (secure)] |
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yesterdays dust User ID: 77872280 Canada 09/04/2019 07:13 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You know why op says things like that, is because he has never experienced god or the Holy Spirit. Quoting: Silver bird 75436794 What a ridiculous statement. As if the Holy Spirit and any experience with God results in the expectation of the physical disaster of the FLESH. The end of THE FLESH begins at birth. It is this 'sottish' thought processes that caused the church to believe LIES. The word translated TRIBULATION means ....a pressing, pressing together, pressure. NOT 'wars and rumors of war'. Similarly 'ARMAGEDDON' is NOT about WAR.....Armageddon means ....the gathering place of the crowd. This can mean the over population of cities.....even MEGA CHURCHES ..... OR .... LEFT versus RIGHT GOOD AND EVIL. It is this 'pressure' that cause men to seek righteousness... and those things of the Kingdom of Our Father. |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 76394364 United States 09/05/2019 11:27 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You know why op says things like that, is because he has never experienced god or the Holy Spirit. Quoting: Silver bird 75436794 :bridec: Sadly you are probably correct. :bridea: You said the word "sadly." That you did because mindless and hormone driven Wimmin can only think with their feelings. Lol. That is a hilarious thing to watch. |
Fancypantz User ID: 77898782 United States 09/05/2019 11:40 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | In the land of spells and triangular circles they say not to fear. Prophets for profits Have the medicine wheel of the west The gods of the south The masons and hermetics of the old world I Ching Samsara Etc etc Sun god technology within the All Mind to entertain(entrap the mind) Entangling knowing objects can move within an electromagnetic field. And everyone is always within something Only few have broke the spells fully Many can’t and utilize the spells for gain on others playing the game for prophets |
Click Here Again User ID: 77160280 United States 09/05/2019 11:47 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Wow OP, read much? Daniel went as far as to break the 7yr timeline down for you. Revelation goes into much more detail regarding the 7yr period. Only the last 3.5yrs of the tribulation is known as the "great" tribulation. You don't need "varied definitions & explanations" to read/understand the Bible. It's pretty simple. Black & white text. Written (at the time) to be read/understood on a 6th grade reading level. So either you've not read it or your reading comprehension is below that of a 6th grader. Which is it? That question is important because it will determine whether you're willfully ignorant or just retarded. Take your pick. |