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Anonymous Coward User ID: 74993099 United Kingdom 09/14/2019 04:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | you beat me too it... everyone should watch this video - a software fix will not fix the planes hardware / physical body which has massive design flaws. The real reason Boeing's new plane crashed twice [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] first reported here in the below glp thread... Thread: Boeing 737 Max 8 Design Flaw. Warning: This Will Piss You Off. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 74993099 United Kingdom 09/14/2019 04:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This guy practically lives at the airport. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76686199 He told me about all the safety procedures. Theres a log book. Like a plane diary for each and every aircraft. All the repairs and previous repairs and mechanic notes and speculations go in this diary. Every aircraft mechanic has someone watching them as they make repairs to certify that all procedures and protocols were followed by the mechanic. Once repairs are done they test EVERYTHING. Then the plane gets an ok to fly. Then the pilots come in. THEY test everything. He said "they dont take the mechanics word for it". If one little thing, doesnt matter what it is, if the system reports a malfunction of any kind, the plane cant leave. People are kicked off the plane or switched to a different gate with another aircraft on its way. He said his airport had the 737 Max that is currently grounded. He tested the MCAS which caused the crashes. He showed me a picture from inside the cockpit with the pilot's screen reporting a STALL. He didnt say if this test was either before or after the last crash.. so i dont know if all the machanics saw this planes demise coming. But... heres the kicker! He said the MCAS was made a standard feature by boeing in all the 737max. But only slightly better models with a little more bells and whistles for a higher price was equipped with a back up software that would kick in and take over if the MCAS failed or malfunctioned in anyway. He said kind of like a Honda LX vs Honda EX. LX is standard. But EX has the sunroof and extra electronics (as an example). He said Boeing fucked up by being cheap with the engine mounting instead redesigning the craft's wings and height. He says he knows the MCAS update was approved and fixed but from his mechanical perspective the problem is still there. The design flaw with the engines. He believes the 737 MAX will not go back into service until they rebuild and mount the engines safely on the wings of all the 737max. He said this whole mess was very far from over. this. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 74019301 United States 09/14/2019 04:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | When the fuel runs out,the planes quit flying.from an investers point of view,fuel cost will be too high in twenty years. I would rather milk out my old planes than a major payment. if boeing doesnt run its plane through ai software,its crazy.ai could lay out the perfect design overall.I suspect a manufacturing drop off soon and any new sales are a blessing. Are they ready to run straight soybean oil or ethanol? Better get the bugs worked out now rather than being in denial about crude oil industry future death. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 78002311 United States 09/14/2019 10:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | When the fuel runs out,the planes quit flying.from an investers point of view,fuel cost will be too high in twenty years. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74019301 I would rather milk out my old planes than a major payment. if boeing doesnt run its plane through ai software,its crazy.ai could lay out the perfect design overall.I suspect a manufacturing drop off soon and any new sales are a blessing. Are they ready to run straight soybean oil or ethanol? Better get the bugs worked out now rather than being in denial about crude oil industry future death. Better get fracking! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 77993861 Australia 09/17/2019 03:33 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I vote for increasing the length of the landing gear struts by 36 inches. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77201407 And lower the engines by that much. my uncle told me that you cant do that. the leg length is one of the main "things". if you increase it you basically have to do a redisign of the wings and fuselage ect ect ect. which is what they should do, a proper redesign with longer legs and engines mounted normally. and the full proper paperwork checks. and full training for the new model plane. but it seems like they won't do that. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 77993861 Australia 09/17/2019 03:55 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | you dont understand. they build a giant "737" because then they didnt need to do a bunch of paperwork and new training. that means they shaved monkeys. with yore plan they would have to do a whole bunch of new certification and training for the new model. which means the monkeys dont get shaved! nobody likes hairy monkeys! now do you get it? |
Pilgrim001 User ID: 77021014 United States 09/17/2019 03:58 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I vote for increasing the length of the landing gear struts by 36 inches. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77201407 They said they didn't have room underbody to do that because of the way they designed it 40 years ago. Can't be changed?? I don't have the time or the crayons to explain this to you. Slake Blake |
Pilgrim001 User ID: 77021014 United States 09/17/2019 04:02 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I vote for increasing the length of the landing gear struts by 36 inches. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77201407 They said they didn't have room underbody to do that because of the way they designed it 40 years ago. Can't be changed?? Maybe they can get some Mexican lowriders from Southern california to show them how to raise and lower the 737 with hydraulics. I don't have the time or the crayons to explain this to you. Slake Blake |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 74976764 United States 09/17/2019 04:10 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | you dont understand. they build a giant "737" because then they didnt need to do a bunch of paperwork and new training. that means they shaved monkeys. with yore plan they would have to do a whole bunch of new certification and training for the new model. which means the monkeys dont get shaved! nobody likes hairy monkeys! now do you get it? Also, Southwest only buys and flies 737s. Boeing killed the fabulous 757 because other airlines would have bought it instead of the 737. |
The ring of truth User ID: 77951552 Netherlands 09/17/2019 04:24 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This is a damn shame,almost sounds like sabotage to me... How do you so badly screw up with all super computers doing the math and designs for you.... I think someone is behind this....No Way,this was done ,without knowing what it was going to do.... Trying to bring boeing to its knees ...i would be looking at the ones that designed this plane very closely TRUMP MAGA KAG 2020~AND BEYOND! Plus KILL THE UN,put a stake through its BLACK HEART OF DEATH! Then after that,GET RID OF THE IRS,CIA,FBI,NSA,AND SO ON... ALL WE NEED IS SHERIFFS! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 77993861 Australia 09/17/2019 04:29 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This is a damn shame,almost sounds like sabotage to me... Quoting: The ring of truth How do you so badly screw up with all super computers doing the math and designs for you.... I think someone is behind this....No Way,this was done ,without knowing what it was going to do.... Trying to bring boeing to its knees ...i would be looking at the ones that designed this plane very closely the plane design really isnt that bad. they could make it fly properly if they had good software and sensors. instead they put crap sensors which gave crap readings. then the crap software decided to crash the plane because of crap sensor readings. that is completely unacceptable. that software is terribly wrong. the reason why the design is a bit crap is so they can pretend its a 737. for paperwork and monkey reasons. if they werent doing that it would be a new model and it would be a lot better. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 77331063 United States 09/17/2019 04:32 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | They wanted new engines but the same flight characteristics of the old. So they used software to accomplish this. The software had a bug, that software bug killed those people. In the rush to have automated systems like self driving cars, I suspect more people are going to be killed by software. Think about how unreliable software is. Nearly everyone has experienced computer crashes, do you really want to rely on a microsoft program to keep you physically safe? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 77993861 Australia 09/17/2019 04:36 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | They wanted new engines but the same flight characteristics of the old. So they used software to accomplish this. The software had a bug, that software bug killed those people. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77331063 In the rush to have automated systems like self driving cars, I suspect more people are going to be killed by software. Think about how unreliable software is. Nearly everyone has experienced computer crashes, do you really want to rely on a microsoft program to keep you physically safe? its worse than that. already they are collecting as much data as they can about people. if the data gets out people can get hurt. how much can you trust the computers that store all the data? you can't! famous computer guy said: The moral is obvious. You can't trust code that you did not totally create yourself. (Especially code from companies that employ people like me.) No amount of source-level verification or scrutiny will protect you from using untrusted code. In demonstrating the possibility of this kind of attack, I picked on the C compiler. I could have picked on any program-handling program such as an assembler, a loader, or even hardware microcode. As the level of program gets lower, these bugs will be harder and harder to detect. A well installed microcode bug will be almost impossible to detect. [link to www.win.tue.nl (secure)] find out his name and which company employs him... |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1897079 United States 09/17/2019 04:43 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | On news radio this past weekend, I heard a (propaganda)"report" that ALL the Boeing 737 Max planes have been "fixed" and are going back into service shortly. Are they SURE? I don't fly anymore so it doesn't affect me (I've flown on almost every jet imaginable since 1964). I worry for those who have to get on this flawed jet craft and crash into smithereens because nothing was actually done about the flaws in the design, the engines, etc. I've had one, two and three degrees of separation of MANY plane disasters in the last 20 years, INCLUDING 9/11, TWA 8000, & the famous Dallas DC-10 crash in 1978. I choose to not fly anymore. On 9/11, after getting out of the gridlocked city, I made my way to a friend's house and we watched the unfolding of events in NYC, live, as they happened. Within 2 hours and before noon time, the phone rang, it was "D," another friend who was stressed out and reporting that his niece, his sister's daughter's 3rd grade school teacher's husband was on flight 175 heading to L.A. from Boston and was killed during the crash of World Trade Center Tower II. |
MissCleo User ID: 77082640 United States 09/17/2019 04:48 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | On news radio this past weekend, I heard a (propaganda)"report" that ALL the Boeing 737 Max planes have been "fixed" and are going back into service shortly. Are they SURE? I don't fly anymore so it doesn't affect me (I've flown on almost every jet imaginable since 1964). I worry for those who have to get on this flawed jet craft and crash into smithereens because nothing was actually done about the flaws in the design, the engines, etc. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1897079 I've had one, two and three degrees of separation of MANY plane disasters in the last 20 years, INCLUDING 9/11, TWA 8000, & the famous Dallas DC-10 crash in 1978. I choose to not fly anymore. On 9/11, after getting out of the gridlocked city, I made my way to a friend's house and we watched the unfolding of events in NYC, live, as they happened. Within 2 hours and before noon time, the phone rang, it was "D," another friend who was stressed out and reporting that his niece, his sister's daughter's 3rd grade school teacher's husband was on flight 175 heading to L.A. from Boston and was killed during the crash of World Trade Center Tower II. I choose not to fly anymore, too. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 77993861 Australia 09/17/2019 05:11 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | On news radio this past weekend, I heard a (propaganda)"report" that ALL the Boeing 737 Max planes have been "fixed" and are going back into service shortly. Are they SURE? I don't fly anymore so it doesn't affect me (I've flown on almost every jet imaginable since 1964). I worry for those who have to get on this flawed jet craft and crash into smithereens because nothing was actually done about the flaws in the design, the engines, etc. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1897079 probly only one more will crash. then the rest will all immediately land and never fly again |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 77987112 Kosovo 09/17/2019 05:16 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This is a damn shame,almost sounds like sabotage to me... Quoting: The ring of truth How do you so badly screw up with all super computers doing the math and designs for you.... I think someone is behind this....No Way,this was done ,without knowing what it was going to do.... Trying to bring boeing to its knees ...i would be looking at the ones that designed this plane very closely I have to agree. The engineers couldn't have been that shortsighted. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 76809044 United States 09/17/2019 05:57 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This guy practically lives at the airport. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76686199 He told me about all the safety procedures. Theres a log book. Like a plane diary for each and every aircraft. All the repairs and previous repairs and mechanic notes and speculations go in this diary. Every aircraft mechanic has someone watching them as they make repairs to certify that all procedures and protocols were followed by the mechanic. Once repairs are done they test EVERYTHING. Then the plane gets an ok to fly. Then the pilots come in. THEY test everything. He said "they dont take the mechanics word for it". If one little thing, doesnt matter what it is, if the system reports a malfunction of any kind, the plane cant leave. People are kicked off the plane or switched to a different gate with another aircraft on its way. He said his airport had the 737 Max that is currently grounded. He tested the MCAS which caused the crashes. He showed me a picture from inside the cockpit with the pilot's screen reporting a STALL. He didnt say if this test was either before or after the last crash.. so i dont know if all the machanics saw this planes demise coming. But... heres the kicker! He said the MCAS was made a standard feature by boeing in all the 737max. But only slightly better models with a little more bells and whistles for a higher price was equipped with a back up software that would kick in and take over if the MCAS failed or malfunctioned in anyway. He said kind of like a Honda LX vs Honda EX. LX is standard. But EX has the sunroof and extra electronics (as an example). He said Boeing fucked up by being cheap with the engine mounting instead redesigning the craft's wings and height. He says he knows the MCAS update was approved and fixed but from his mechanical perspective the problem is still there. The design flaw with the engines. He believes the 737 MAX will not go back into service until they rebuild and mount the engines safely on the wings of all the 737max. He said this whole mess was very far from over. so, all along, the engines have been in danger of falling off. Holy Shit. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 77898480 United States 09/17/2019 06:01 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This is a damn shame,almost sounds like sabotage to me... Quoting: The ring of truth How do you so badly screw up with all super computers doing the math and designs for you.... I think someone is behind this....No Way,this was done ,without knowing what it was going to do.... Trying to bring boeing to its knees ...i would be looking at the ones that designed this plane very closely I have to agree. The engineers couldn't have been that shortsighted. Hire dumb foreign engineers, but hey, they work cheap. |
Redcat1 Redcat User ID: 77579655 United States 09/17/2019 06:02 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | According to a pilot that flies (or rather flew) the MAX - he would fly it today and and would fly with the 'flaws'. With everyone of his family on-board. So long as the crew was comprised of US-qualified pilots. The crashes were due to pilot error by 3rd world, undertrained and almost untrained pilots. Had they followed procedure the crashes would not have happened. If the MCAS fails - you simply turn it off. AMD LEAVE IT OFF. One crew with a co-pilot with less than 200 hours kept turning it back on! The airline industry had enough issues without grounding these aircraft. |
Redcat1 Redcat User ID: 77579655 United States 09/17/2019 06:07 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | you dont understand. they build a giant "737" because then they didnt need to do a bunch of paperwork and new training. that means they shaved monkeys. with yore plan they would have to do a whole bunch of new certification and training for the new model. which means the monkeys dont get shaved! nobody likes hairy monkeys! now do you get it? This is true. The real cost to the airlines (the customers of the 737Max) was the retraining and requalification of pilots had they procured 757s instead of 737s. Of course these same airlines - at least the 3rd world airlines - also bought/lease the planes without the redundancy features of the MCAS. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 78010612 Canada 09/17/2019 06:08 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | On news radio this past weekend, I heard a (propaganda)"report" that ALL the Boeing 737 Max planes have been "fixed" and are going back into service shortly. Are they SURE? I don't fly anymore so it doesn't affect me (I've flown on almost every jet imaginable since 1964). I worry for those who have to get on this flawed jet craft and crash into smithereens because nothing was actually done about the flaws in the design, the engines, etc. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1897079 I've had one, two and three degrees of separation of MANY plane disasters in the last 20 years, INCLUDING 9/11, TWA 8000, & the famous Dallas DC-10 crash in 1978. I choose to not fly anymore. On 9/11, after getting out of the gridlocked city, I made my way to a friend's house and we watched the unfolding of events in NYC, live, as they happened. Within 2 hours and before noon time, the phone rang, it was "D," another friend who was stressed out and reporting that his niece, his sister's daughter's 3rd grade school teacher's husband was on flight 175 heading to L.A. from Boston and was killed during the crash of World Trade Center Tower II. I choose not to fly anymore, too. 24/7 365 days a year. |