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Does being non-religious mean people don't believe in intelligent design or don't believe in church?

 
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Nope. You need to keep all the laws, not just the 10.
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Do you stone law breakers?
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Course not, I'm not a J-w or a Christian so the laws of the god of the J-ws don't apply to me. Do you keep the eternal laws of your god that are perfect, eternal, and to be kept by each person?
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As best I can.
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Except for literally the easiest one.

That one, your elders have told you to disregard.


Strange, its the ONLY commandment that tells you to "Remember"


Fancy that.


Someone is lying.
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“I have become all things to people of all sorts, so that I might by all possible means save some.”—1 COR. 9:22.

PREVIEW *

1. What change has occurred in some areas in recent decades?

FOR thousands of years, the majority of people in the world seemed to have some form of religious belief. But in recent decades a remarkable change has taken place. More and more people do not view themselves as religious. In fact, in some countries the majority of the population describe themselves as not being religious. *—Matt. 24:12.
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No it just means we're not fooled by myths like you are.
The universe is not designed for humans.



This is the truth you ignore all the time.
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At 6:25 knowledge, understanding and wisdom are forbidden, we were supposed to be simple clueless animals? Why did Carl Sagan think God gave humans intelligence, imagination, and capacity for scientific understanding? It was their defiance of the one simple rule that terminated their scientific education of the workings of Eden and reduced them to simple dirt farmers as the consequence. Carl had an exceptional intelligence but it was wasted on false conclusions.

"If we crave the cosmic purpose let us find ourselves a worthy goal"
Carl our purpose won't be found with space ships it was stated from the beginning.
"Then God said: “Let us make man in our image, according to our likeness, and let them have in subjection the fish of the sea and the flying creatures of the heavens and the domestic animals and all the earth and every creeping animal that is moving on the earth.” 27 And God went on to create the man in his image, in God’s image he created him; male and female he created them. 28 Further, God blessed them, and God said to them: “Be fruitful and become many, fill the earth and subdue it, and have in subjection the fish of the sea and the flying creatures of the heavens and every living creature that is moving on the earth.” Ge1:26

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Do you stone law breakers?
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Course not, I'm not a J-w or a Christian so the laws of the god of the J-ws don't apply to me. Do you keep the eternal laws of your god that are perfect, eternal, and to be kept by each person?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77263193

As best I can.
 Quoting: DGN



Except for literally the easiest one.

That one, your elders have told you to disregard.


Strange, its the ONLY commandment that tells you to "Remember"


Fancy that.


Someone is lying.
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Did Jesus' sacrifice bring the old law to fulfillment, eliminating the priesthood and animal sacrifices for sin once and for all, and present the new covenant to the gentiles?
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Course not, I'm not a J-w or a Christian so the laws of the god of the J-ws don't apply to me. Do you keep the eternal laws of your god that are perfect, eternal, and to be kept by each person?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77263193

As best I can.
 Quoting: DGN



Except for literally the easiest one.

That one, your elders have told you to disregard.


Strange, its the ONLY commandment that tells you to "Remember"


Fancy that.


Someone is lying.
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Did Jesus' sacrifice bring the old law to fulfillment, eliminating the priesthood and animal sacrifices for sin once and for all, and present the new covenant to the gentiles?
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No it did not because the Torah says that gods laws are perfect, ever lasting, and to be kept by each J-w. Your J-wish Jesus said that the law didn't pass either. Your J-wish Saul was the one who said that things were nailed to the cross.

Go back and read Deuteronomy 28-30.

The bible is only for the J-ws, not the gentiles. The laws of their desert god don't apply to you meaning you don't need the dead Jesus either. He stated he only came for the lost tribes of Israel.
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As best I can.
 Quoting: DGN



Except for literally the easiest one.

That one, your elders have told you to disregard.


Strange, its the ONLY commandment that tells you to "Remember"


Fancy that.


Someone is lying.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70851936


Did Jesus' sacrifice bring the old law to fulfillment, eliminating the priesthood and animal sacrifices for sin once and for all, and present the new covenant to the gentiles?
 Quoting: DGN


No it did not because the Torah says that gods laws are perfect, ever lasting, and to be kept by each J-w. Your J-wish Jesus said that the law didn't pass either. Your J-wish Saul was the one who said that things were nailed to the cross.

Go back and read Deuteronomy 28-30.

The bible is only for the J-ws, not the gentiles. The laws of their desert god don't apply to you meaning you don't need the dead Jesus either. He stated he only came for the lost tribes of Israel.
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Where is the temple, priesthood, alter for sacrifice for sins being done daily?
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Except for literally the easiest one.

That one, your elders have told you to disregard.


Strange, its the ONLY commandment that tells you to "Remember"


Fancy that.


Someone is lying.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70851936


Did Jesus' sacrifice bring the old law to fulfillment, eliminating the priesthood and animal sacrifices for sin once and for all, and present the new covenant to the gentiles?
 Quoting: DGN


No it did not because the Torah says that gods laws are perfect, ever lasting, and to be kept by each J-w. Your J-wish Jesus said that the law didn't pass either. Your J-wish Saul was the one who said that things were nailed to the cross.

Go back and read Deuteronomy 28-30.

The bible is only for the J-ws, not the gentiles. The laws of their desert god don't apply to you meaning you don't need the dead Jesus either. He stated he only came for the lost tribes of Israel.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77650411


Where is the temple, priesthood, alter for sacrifice for sins being done daily?
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Don't know. Ask your god why he would create a system that is perfect and then not have the tools available.

It's what your bible says. The Laws are perfect and everlasting.

You never answered my question the other day: what other faiths have you tried that led you to follow the contradictory book, the bible?
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It will usually mean they can't stand man made controlled Bullshit religion.

Religion is personal... not a fake group event.
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Our Father, You who have dwelt within us in this incarnation, we give Thee thanks for Your perpetual presence and the continuous guidance of Your Light within, even in those times when we could not see or know. How we bless this our experience acknowledging that where we are now is a credit to the extent that we allowed you to manifest within and through our lives. We glorify in the sanctuary of our inner light as we take these last steps that will gain us entry into our new world. Be with us even and ever more that our inner awareness may assume a greater dimension of knowing and purpose as we transcend and transition into new grounds that will earn us and offer us opportunities to further bridge the divide between physical and spiritual. As we bid goodbye, we do so in love and gratitude and we look forward to creating spiritual sentiments going forward, that which last eternally. From AA Uriel
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Jesus taught religion was one's PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP WITH THEIR INNER FATHER... In this regard I am INTENSELY religious but your groups suck big time.
Pray for the SAFETY of TRUMP and Family going forward

Our Father, You who have dwelt within us in this incarnation, we give Thee thanks for Your perpetual presence and the continuous guidance of Your Light within, even in those times when we could not see or know. How we bless this our experience acknowledging that where we are now is a credit to the extent that we allowed you to manifest within and through our lives. We glorify in the sanctuary of our inner light as we take these last steps that will gain us entry into our new world. Be with us even and ever more that our inner awareness may assume a greater dimension of knowing and purpose as we transcend and transition into new grounds that will earn us and offer us opportunities to further bridge the divide between physical and spiritual. As we bid goodbye, we do so in love and gratitude and we look forward to creating spiritual sentiments going forward, that which last eternally. From AA Uriel
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Did Jesus' sacrifice bring the old law to fulfillment, eliminating the priesthood and animal sacrifices for sin once and for all, and present the new covenant to the gentiles?
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No it did not because the Torah says that gods laws are perfect, ever lasting, and to be kept by each J-w. Your J-wish Jesus said that the law didn't pass either. Your J-wish Saul was the one who said that things were nailed to the cross.

Go back and read Deuteronomy 28-30.

The bible is only for the J-ws, not the gentiles. The laws of their desert god don't apply to you meaning you don't need the dead Jesus either. He stated he only came for the lost tribes of Israel.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77650411


Where is the temple, priesthood, alter for sacrifice for sins being done daily?
 Quoting: DGN


Don't know. Ask your god why he would create a system that is perfect and then not have the tools available.

It's what your bible says. The Laws are perfect and everlasting.

You never answered my question the other day: what other faiths have you tried that led you to follow the contradictory book, the bible?
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God sent the roman army to destroy and disban Israel and the temple in 70 AD, he opened his covenant to the gentiles. The political nation of Israel has no divinely appointed king and does not practice the 600 laws of the old covenant.

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Nobody here wants to be a Jehovah witless
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So what religion did Jesus found? Joseph Smith was of Jesus? Not. Ellen White. Not. They were looking for glory on earth.

Man started religion.

Jesus was killed by religion along with millions of bible readers after him.
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God Did not Create RELIGION, Man Did!
God Did not Build One Single Church or Temple, Man Did!

Religion is a CREATION Of MAN and has very little to do
with the existence of an actual god deity.

You can Believe in a God Deity OP
And You can Do it with out any of that stuff you
mentioned which has almost nothing to do with an
actual god.
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Jesus worshiped in the temple, called it his "father's house",
and drove the money-changers out with a whip.
The first temple housed the ark of the covenant.

[link to www.bible-history.com (secure)]

[link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]

So, religion is the balancing act we perform between what is
sacred and what is profane/secular.
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I USED NO forbidden words.. so where did MY POST GO?
Pray for the SAFETY of TRUMP and Family going forward

Our Father, You who have dwelt within us in this incarnation, we give Thee thanks for Your perpetual presence and the continuous guidance of Your Light within, even in those times when we could not see or know. How we bless this our experience acknowledging that where we are now is a credit to the extent that we allowed you to manifest within and through our lives. We glorify in the sanctuary of our inner light as we take these last steps that will gain us entry into our new world. Be with us even and ever more that our inner awareness may assume a greater dimension of knowing and purpose as we transcend and transition into new grounds that will earn us and offer us opportunities to further bridge the divide between physical and spiritual. As we bid goodbye, we do so in love and gratitude and we look forward to creating spiritual sentiments going forward, that which last eternally. From AA Uriel
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I USED NO forbidden words.. so where did MY POST GO?
Pray for the SAFETY of TRUMP and Family going forward

Our Father, You who have dwelt within us in this incarnation, we give Thee thanks for Your perpetual presence and the continuous guidance of Your Light within, even in those times when we could not see or know. How we bless this our experience acknowledging that where we are now is a credit to the extent that we allowed you to manifest within and through our lives. We glorify in the sanctuary of our inner light as we take these last steps that will gain us entry into our new world. Be with us even and ever more that our inner awareness may assume a greater dimension of knowing and purpose as we transcend and transition into new grounds that will earn us and offer us opportunities to further bridge the divide between physical and spiritual. As we bid goodbye, we do so in love and gratitude and we look forward to creating spiritual sentiments going forward, that which last eternally. From AA Uriel
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Nobody here wants to be a Jehovah witless
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Here's why
"At that time Jesus said in response: “I publicly praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and intellectual ones and have revealed them to young children. Yes, O Father, because this is the way you approved. All things have been handed over to me by my Father, and no one fully knows the Son except the Father; neither does anyone fully know the Father except the Son and anyone to whom the Son is willing to reveal him. 28Come to me, all you who are toiling and loaded down, and I will refresh you. 29 Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am mild-tempered and lowly in heart, and you will find refreshment for yourselves. 30 For my yoke is kindly, and my load is light.” Mt11:25

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I USED NO forbidden words.. so where did MY POST GO?
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I don't know put it back on.
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So what religion did Jesus found? Joseph Smith was of Jesus? Not. Ellen White. Not. They were looking for glory on earth.

Man started religion.

Jesus was killed by religion along with millions of bible readers after him.
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"Jesus approached and spoke to them, saying: “All authority has been given me in heaven and on the earth. 19Go, therefore, and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded you. And look! I am with you all the days until the conclusion of the system of things.” Mt28:19

More life style than religion.

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3. What is the purpose of this article?

3 Jesus expects us to “make disciples of people of all the nations.” (Matt. 28:19) How can we help nonreligious people to learn to love God and become disciples of Christ? We must recognize that a person’s reaction to our message may depend on where he was raised. For example, people with a European background may not respond the same way as may those who come from Asia. Why? In Europe, many know something about the Bible and are familiar with the idea that God created all things. But in Asia, the majority of people know little or nothing about the Bible, and they may not believe in a Creator. The purpose of this article is to help us reach the hearts of all those we meet in the ministry, no matter what their background may be.
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5 Mere human opposers cannot stamp out the worship of the almighty God, Jehovah. Many have tried and failed. Consider what happened during World War II. At that time, governments in many countries intensely persecuted God’s people. The work of Jehovah’s Witnesses was banned not only by the Nazi party in Germany but also by governments in Australia, Canada, and other lands. Yet, note what took place. In 1939 when the war began, there were 72,475 publishers worldwide. Reports showed that by the end of the war in 1945, with Jehovah’s blessing, there were 156,299 publishers. The number of publishers had more than doubled!
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The two most religious people I’ve met the past couple years, one via work, one via social occasions, turned out to have darker creepier vices than most. Now, I do believe the vast majority of churchgoers are good people and well intentioned, but the couple of crazies makes me not wanna be part of the whole community potlucks and bible study breakfasts.
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The two most religious people I’ve met the past couple years, one via work, one via social occasions, turned out to have darker creepier vices than most. Now, I do believe the vast majority of churchgoers are good people and well intentioned, but the couple of crazies makes me not wanna be part of the whole community potlucks and bible study breakfasts.
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Either does Jesus.
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Adapt your approach when witnessing to those who are skeptical about the Bible (See paragraphs 5-6) *

5. What often makes people respond well to our message?

5 Be Kind and Tactful. Often, people respond well to our message, not because of what we say, but because of the way we say it. They appreciate it when we are kind, tactful, and genuinely interested in them. We do not force them to hear our point of view. Instead, we try to discern the reasons for their view of religion. For example, we learn that some do not like talking about religion with a stranger. Others feel that it is bad manners to ask a person what he thinks about God. Still others feel embarrassed to be seen reading the Bible, especially with one of Jehovah’s Witnesses. Whatever the case, we try to be sensitive to their feelings.—2 Tim. 2:24, ftn.
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Great Masters like Jesus, Buddha etc never said to build churches or follow religions, only to do thy best and live the teachings (not just passively read spiritual books, scriptures, quoting the bible etc)
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Some organized religions do some good (others don't). Intelligent design is just made up. How intelligent must the designer be if 99% of all living things that ever were are extinct?

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Believing in Intelligent Design doesn't have anything to with religion. You're thinking of Creationism. Which is really just christianity jumping on the ID bandwagon.
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Some organized religions do some good (others don't). Intelligent design is just made up. How intelligent must the designer be if 99% of all living things that ever were are extinct?
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While you're assuming they were intended to be living now, show me how you would intelligently escape a T-rex please. Hide in the bushes where the Easter Bunny hid millions of transitional fossils?
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Believing in Intelligent Design doesn't have anything to with religion. You're thinking of Creationism. Which is really just christianity jumping on the ID bandwagon.
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Jesus and his apostles didn't jump on any bandwagon;
'He rescued us from the authority of the darkness and transferred us into the kingdom of his beloved Son, by means of whom we have our release by ransom, the forgiveness of our sins. He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation; because by means of him all other things were created in the heavens and on the earth, the things visible and the things invisible, whether they are thrones or lordships or governments or authorities. All other things have been created through him and for him. 17Also, he is before all other things, and by means of him all other things were made to exist, 18 and he is the head of the body, the congregation. He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that he might become the one who is first in all things; 19 because God was pleased to have all fullness to dwell in him, 20 and through him to reconcile to himself all other things by making peace through the blood he shed on the torture stake, whether the things on the earth or the things in the heavens." Col 1:13

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MAINTAIN A POSITIVE ATTITUDE

4. Why can we keep a positive attitude?

4 Be Positive. Every year, there are nonreligious people who become Jehovah’s Witnesses. Many already had high moral standards and felt disgusted by religious hypocrisy. Others had low moral standards and many had bad habits that they needed to abandon. With Jehovah’s help, we can be sure that we will find those who are “rightly disposed for everlasting life.”—Acts 13:48; 1 Tim. 2:3, 4.
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Adapt your approach when witnessing to those who are skeptical about the Bible (See paragraphs 5-6) *

5. What often makes people respond well to our message?

5 Be Kind and Tactful. Often, people respond well to our message, not because of what we say, but because of the way we say it. They appreciate it when we are kind, tactful, and genuinely interested in them. We do not force them to hear our point of view. Instead, we try to discern the reasons for their view of religion. For example, we learn that some do not like talking about religion with a stranger. Others feel that it is bad manners to ask a person what he thinks about God. Still others feel embarrassed to be seen reading the Bible, especially with one of Jehovah’s Witnesses. Whatever the case, we try to be sensitive to their feelings.—2 Tim. 2:24,
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. What is one way to start a conversation about the Bible?

8 Our goal is to find “deserving” ones. (Matt. 10:11) To be effective, we must invite people to express their opinions and then listen attentively. A brother in England asks people for their opinion about how to have a happy marriage, how to raise children, or how to cope with injustice. After listening to their comments, he says, “What do you think of this advice written nearly 2,000 years ago?” Then, without saying the word “Bible,” he shows them well-chosen scriptures on his phone.





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