But that is my exact point, it IS us. I understand the completely destructive consequences of wanting other people to take care of you and relinquishing personal responsibility and accountability for comfort.

I don't worship einstein, I think he was a plant and set science back a long ways, exactly as the oligarchs wanted. They wanted to corrupt our view of reality and how this world works. Well, they have accomplished most of it haven't they?

We think it is accelerating but I would argue it has passed the point of no return long time ago. Back when people were self sufficient and reliant where to go against nature meant death....that society was still perverted and gave us what we have today. I would even say the perversion started long time ago, near the start of the industrial revolution.

But even our society today we worship them and worship their desires. We love shiny material objects. We sell our soul to get those material objects. We screw each other at a drop of a hat for material objects and then celebrate when we screw our fellow man on trades and deals. Do we even have the soul to protect what is left? Hence this thread.