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The Aramaic was the language of the time there.
 Quoting: hillbilly

Says who? Aramaic was / is a "sister language" to Hebrew.
 Quoting: TheLordsServant
Say the scrolls found in the tomb of
Joseph of Arimathea that closely matched the
Gospel of Matthew, with a few important differences.
The fellow that was translating it and reporting on
his progress had to flee, with his family, to Lebanon in 1970.
It was later learned they were assassinated in Baghdad,
where they ended up after the camp in Lebanon and the scrolls
were bombed by Israeli planes.
36 chapters survived and are known as the Talmud of Jmmanuel.

Last Edited by hillbilly on 11/03/2019 12:00 AM
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Silence is where God speaks. Anything else is but a poor translation. -Rumi
Wanna hear God laugh? Just talk about your plans.
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Slow is steady; steady is smooth; smooth is fast.
Success has a thousand fathers but failure only one son.
The deeper that sorrow carves into your being, the more joy you can contain.-Gibran
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The Aramaic was the language of the time there.
 Quoting: hillbilly

Says who? Aramaic was / is a "sister language" to Hebrew.
 Quoting: TheLordsServant
Says the scroll found in the tomb of
Joseph of Arimathea that closely matched the
Gospel of Matthew, with a few important differences.
The fellows that were translating it and reporting on
their progress had to flee for their lives. Fancy that...
 Quoting: hillbilly


yes Jesus spoke Aramaic
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The Aramaic was the language of the time there.
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Says who? Aramaic was / is a "sister language" to Hebrew.
 Quoting: TheLordsServant
Says the scroll found in the tomb of
Joseph of Arimathea that closely matched the
Gospel of Matthew, with a few important differences.
The fellows that were translating it and reporting on
their progress had to flee for their lives. Fancy that...
 Quoting: hillbilly


Scroll found?

No linky - you stinky
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The Aramaic was the language of the time there.
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Says who? Aramaic was / is a "sister language" to Hebrew.
 Quoting: TheLordsServant
Says the scroll found in the tomb of
Joseph of Arimathea that closely matched the
Gospel of Matthew, with a few important differences.
The fellows that were translating it and reporting on
their progress had to flee for their lives. Fancy that...
 Quoting: hillbilly


Scroll found?

No linky - you stinky
 Quoting: TheLordsServant


lol listen in the present world Aramaic was spoken in those days

says all the historians ...says all the documents and papers
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Take this linky, print it out, roll it up
nice and tight, light one end, and stinky it.

[link to www.phoenixsourcedistributors.com]

hf Thanks OP.

Last Edited by hillbilly on 11/02/2019 11:58 PM
Water is the only drink for a wise man.
Call me a pot but heat me not.-Putin
Silence is where God speaks. Anything else is but a poor translation. -Rumi
Wanna hear God laugh? Just talk about your plans.
An old broom knows all the corners.
Slow is steady; steady is smooth; smooth is fast.
Success has a thousand fathers but failure only one son.
The deeper that sorrow carves into your being, the more joy you can contain.-Gibran
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Don't forget to turn your clocks back Sparky.
Embedding videos that have nothing to do with
the thread is non-value-added bandwidth.

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Water is the only drink for a wise man.
Call me a pot but heat me not.-Putin
Silence is where God speaks. Anything else is but a poor translation. -Rumi
Wanna hear God laugh? Just talk about your plans.
An old broom knows all the corners.
Slow is steady; steady is smooth; smooth is fast.
Success has a thousand fathers but failure only one son.
The deeper that sorrow carves into your being, the more joy you can contain.-Gibran
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Take this linky, print it out, roll it up
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[link to www.phoenixsourcedistributors.com]

hf Thanks OP.
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Phoenix?

chuckle laugh lol rofl 1rof1 lmao lolsign


lol listen in the present world Aramaic was spoken in those days

says all the historians ...says all the documents and papers
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Really? Here's some facts for your ignorant self

Says who? Aramaic was / is a "sister language" to Hebrew.

Jesus - as the Son Of God - could probably speak any known language.

Most of the Dead Sea Scrolls were written in Hebrew, as were the Torah scrolls being used in synagogues of the day.

And a growing number of Biblical scholars are coming to the conclusion that much of the New Testament was probably written in Hebrew due to the large amount of Hebraisms used.

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MORE PROOF for Hebrew being spoken and read.

Luke 23:38 And a superscription also was written over him in letters of Greek, and Latin, and Hebrew, THIS IS THE KING OF THE J*e*v*s.

John 5:2 Now there is at Jerusalem by the sheep market a pool, which is called in the Hebrew tongue Bethesda, having five porches.

John 19:17 And he bearing his cross went forth into a place called the place of a skull, which is called in the Hebrew Golgotha:

19:20 This title then read many of the jewish: for the place where Jesus was crucified was nigh to the city: and it was written in Hebrew, and Greek, and Latin.

......

Acts 21:40 And when he had given him licence, Paul stood on the stairs, and beckoned with the hand unto the people. And when there was made a great silence, he spake unto them in the Hebrew tongue, saying,

Acts 22:1 Men, brethren, and fathers, hear ye my defence which I make now unto you.
2 (And when they heard that he spake in the Hebrew tongue to them, they kept the more silence: and he saith,)

Acts 26:14 And when we were all fallen to the earth, I heard a voice speaking unto me, and saying in the Hebrew tongue, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.
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I notice you didn't quote any Matthew.
It's your choice to ignore what I posted,
I expected as much from you. I posted it
for others who are genuinely interested
in finding out more about the Son of Man
and His message of truth.

In 1963, Edward Albert Meier and Isa Rashid
found a package 60cm x 25cm containing 4
separate rolls of Aramaic writing.
Rashid eventually translated 36 chapters into
German and sent them to Meier in Switzerland.

In June of '74, Israeli jets bombed the camps
in SW Lebanon, one of which Rashid and his family
were hiding in. The rest of the rolls were
presumably destroyed. They gave their lives for
those 36 chapters.
Keep laughing, Christ is listening.

Last Edited by hillbilly on 11/03/2019 12:34 AM
Water is the only drink for a wise man.
Call me a pot but heat me not.-Putin
Silence is where God speaks. Anything else is but a poor translation. -Rumi
Wanna hear God laugh? Just talk about your plans.
An old broom knows all the corners.
Slow is steady; steady is smooth; smooth is fast.
Success has a thousand fathers but failure only one son.
The deeper that sorrow carves into your being, the more joy you can contain.-Gibran
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I notice you didn't quote any Matthew.
It's your choice to ignore what I posted,
I expected as much from you. I posted it
for others who are genuinely interested
in finding out more about the Son of Man
and His message of truth.

In 1963, Edward Albert Meier and Isa Rashid
found a package 60cm x 25cm containing 4
separate rolls of Aramaic writing.
Rashid eventually translated 36 chapters into
German and sent them to Meier in Switzerland.

In June of '74, Israeli jets bombed the camps
in SW Lebanon, one of which Rashid and his family
were hiding in. The rest of the rolls were
presumably destroyed. They gave their lives for
those 36 chapters.
Keep laughing, Christ is listening.
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The word "Aramaic" isn't in the KJV.

[link to www.blueletterbible.org (secure)]

In the NKJV, it's only mentioned in the Old Testament.

[link to www.blueletterbible.org (secure)]

And I would bet that the word is only used in other translations to kowtow to so-called academics who want to delegitimize any notion of the Hebrew language.
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[link to simple.wikipedia.org (secure)]

Aramaic is a language that has been written for 3100 years
and has been spoken for longer than that.
Jesus spoke Aramaic, not Hebrew.

It is one of the Northwest Semitic languages.
The Semitic languages include Aramaic, Hebrew,
Arabic and many other languages.

Aramaic is the language of long parts of the
two Bible books of Daniel and Ezra.
It is the language of the Jewish Talmud.


whatever

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Water is the only drink for a wise man.
Call me a pot but heat me not.-Putin
Silence is where God speaks. Anything else is but a poor translation. -Rumi
Wanna hear God laugh? Just talk about your plans.
An old broom knows all the corners.
Slow is steady; steady is smooth; smooth is fast.
Success has a thousand fathers but failure only one son.
The deeper that sorrow carves into your being, the more joy you can contain.-Gibran
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The question is, and has always was.. how much can "you" reflect G-d and what does this mean to our limited mammalian brains

The kingdom is within, -jesus

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G-d
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Huh?
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The kingdom is within, -jesus

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Quote the verse and then we will talk about it, k?
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The kingdom is within, -jesus

yoda
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Quote the verse and then we will talk about it, k?
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see there, you are trapped in division which is just fear,you are trapped in ego instead of dominating it.. the matrix has you
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see there, you... you... you
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The kingdom is within, -jesus

yoda
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Quote the verse and then we will talk about it, k?
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No one will say, 'Look, here it is!' or, 'There it is!'; because the Kingdom of God is within you." Luke 17:21


Colossians 1:27
To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory

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Aramaic is a language that has been written for 3100 years
and has been spoken for longer than that.
Jesus spoke Aramaic, not Hebrew.

It is one of the Northwest Semitic languages.
The Semitic languages include Aramaic, Hebrew,
Arabic and many other languages.

Aramaic is the language of long parts of the
two Bible books of Daniel and Ezra.
It is the language of the Jewish Talmud.


whatever

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Jewish Talmud written in Babylon in the 5th Century AD - 500 years after the death of Christ and 400+ years after the total destruction of Jerusalem.

Jesus spoke Hebrew - Aramaic - Greek - any language known He could speak. He's the Son OF God for crying out loud.

There's NO PROOF Jesus spoke only Aramaic.

There IS proof He spoke Hebrew for the simple fact that He went to a synagogue and read from Isaiah.

The scrolls were written in Hebrew.

dumbass
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jesus is fiction

have any of you retards read cesaers messiah?

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have any of you retards read cesaers messiah?

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sockpuppet bonghit beavis crazyjak blahblah5

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God...the Father..exists, as does His Son Yeshua.

The Bible covers 4000+ years of their interaction with mankind.

NOTHING you say will change these facts.

God isn't real? Multi-MILLIONS of folks would beg to differ with your claim.

Thread: Have you ever witnessed a Miracle? I have, more than once. Post it here, if so. I'll start...

Thread: Testimonies of Miracles Angels etc...proof of God / Yahuah & Son Jesus / Yeshua

In reality, there is not one single shred of evidence OF ANY KIND that actually DISPROVES any of the vast majority of events in the Bible.

Dozens of people AND hundreds of places mentioned in the Bible have been proven to exist.

Here's a 191 page free PDF of Biblical Archaeological finds.

[link to www.israelite.net]

Evidence for the Exodus and Sodom & Gomorrah

Thread: Updated-Video / Photographic Evidence of the Biblical Exodus in Saudi Arabia - Hebrews / Mt Sinai More

Thread: Sodom Gomorrah Admah - Video & Photographic Evidence of Biblical Destruction Brimstone
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Never said He spoke only Aramaic.
He knew Latin so He knew what the Romans
were saying about Him.

Which book says He knew all the rest of those languages?
The one that says He travelled to Europe, India, Japan
and North America? His uncle Joseph of Arimathea was
a merchant who traded in many different countries.
You turn your nose up to the rest of His story. agumball

Last Edited by hillbilly on 11/03/2019 08:22 PM
Water is the only drink for a wise man.
Call me a pot but heat me not.-Putin
Silence is where God speaks. Anything else is but a poor translation. -Rumi
Wanna hear God laugh? Just talk about your plans.
An old broom knows all the corners.
Slow is steady; steady is smooth; smooth is fast.
Success has a thousand fathers but failure only one son.
The deeper that sorrow carves into your being, the more joy you can contain.-Gibran
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Never said He spoke only Aramaic.
He knew Latin so He knew what the Romans
were saying about Him.

Which book says He knew all the rest of those languages?

The one that says He travelled to Europe, India, Japan
and North America? His uncle Joseph of Arimathea was
a merchant who traded in many different countries.
You turn your nose up to the rest of His story. agumball
 Quoting: hillbilly


He's the Son OF God for pete's sake.

You don't think that the Father, through the Holy Spirit, would have given that ability to Him?

All the Apostles got it on the day of Pentecost.

another do 1doh1
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jesus is fiction

have any of you retards read cesaers messiah?

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...We hesitate to write this critique only because we worry that this will give backhanded merit to Atwill’s claims.

It’s kind of like writing an argument for why Santa Claus doesn’t exist: even engaging in the debate almost gives the illusion that there is a debate.

After all, even atheistic critics like Bart Ehrman have written,

“The view that Jesus existed is held by virtually every expert on the planet.”
Why should we even engage conspiracy theorists like this at all?

But unfortunately, many people in Western culture are so ignorant of historical, NT studies that they are in some cases bothered by Atwill’s theory.
For this reason, we feel a brief critique is in order.:

[link to www.evidenceunseen.com]
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jesus is fiction

have any of you retards read cesaers messiah?

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...We hesitate to write this critique only because we worry that this will give backhanded merit to Atwill’s claims.

It’s kind of like writing an argument for why Santa Claus doesn’t exist: even engaging in the debate almost gives the illusion that there is a debate.

After all, even atheistic critics like Bart Ehrman have written,

“The view that Jesus existed is held by virtually every expert on the planet.”
Why should we even engage conspiracy theorists like this at all?

But unfortunately, many people in Western culture are so ignorant of historical, NT studies that they are in some cases bothered by Atwill’s theory.
For this reason, we feel a brief critique is in order.:

[link to www.evidenceunseen.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77505643


The real issue with Atwill's theory is historical facts that contradict him.

We have New Testament fragments that date to the 1st Century AD.

Those manuscripts have lasted through...

-the Roman wars in the Middle East of the 1st / 2nd Century
-the 200+ years of Roman persecution of Christians that began with Nero
-the "trinitarian" changes made to the Bible beginning around Tertullian's time
-the invasions / expansion of Islam that began after Muhammad's death in 632 AD

AD 96 Clement Bishop of Rome quotes / refers to 11 books used for the New Testament including Matthew, Mark and Luke.

AD 108 Ignatius Bishop of Antioch quotes / refers to 24 books used for the New Testament including all 4 Gospels.

AD 110 Polycarp Bishop of Smyrna quotes / refers to 18 books used for the New Testament including all 4 Gospels.

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The RCC truly didn't start grasping hold of the Catholic Empire until 445, when the emperor Valentinian III decreed that all western bishops must obey the pope.

Notice that BOTH Theodosius AND Valentinian III were EMPERORS....NOT popes. Rome mere "back-dated" their line of popes, all the way to Peter.

Finally, it's ironic that prior to Constantine's Edict of making Christianity "legal", Roman authorities spent the previous 290 years persecuting Christians.

Then, in 385 CE the first Christians, were beheaded for heresy in Trier/Germany the Spanish Priscillianus and six followers.

This began a centuries-long assualt on both pagans AND non-Catholics that lasted up until the 1700's.

The manuscripts used to create the Bible existed 200+ years BEFORE Constantine legalized Christianity.

Roman leaders had NO control etc...of the network of Christian churches that had been in existence since the apostles had begun establishing them after Christ's ascension.

Rome merely assimilated them, beginning with the Council of Nicea.

And just because the RCC LISTS popes before then....

[link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]

....does NOT mean they were actually true Roman Catholic popes. Funny how pretty much ALL the supposed popes PRIOR to the proclamation of the Edict of Milan in 313 were killed.

[link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]

Killed by WHO?

Roman leaders.

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jesus is fiction

have any of you retards read cesaers messiah?

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...We hesitate to write this critique only because we worry that this will give backhanded merit to Atwill’s claims.

It’s kind of like writing an argument for why Santa Claus doesn’t exist: even engaging in the debate almost gives the illusion that there is a debate.

After all, even atheistic critics like Bart Ehrman have written,

“The view that Jesus existed is held by virtually every expert on the planet.”
Why should we even engage conspiracy theorists like this at all?

But unfortunately, many people in Western culture are so ignorant of historical, NT studies that they are in some cases bothered by Atwill’s theory.
For this reason, we feel a brief critique is in order.:

[link to www.evidenceunseen.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77505643


The real issue with Atwill's theory is historical facts that contradict him.

We have New Testament fragments that date to the 1st Century AD.

Those manuscripts have lasted through...

-the Roman wars in the Middle East of the 1st / 2nd Century
-the 200+ years of Roman persecution of Christians that began with Nero
-the "trinitarian" changes made to the Bible beginning around Tertullian's time
-the invasions / expansion of Islam that began after Muhammad's death in 632 AD

AD 96 Clement Bishop of Rome quotes / refers to 11 books used for the New Testament including Matthew, Mark and Luke.

AD 108 Ignatius Bishop of Antioch quotes / refers to 24 books used for the New Testament including all 4 Gospels.

AD 110 Polycarp Bishop of Smyrna quotes / refers to 18 books used for the New Testament including all 4 Gospels.

---------------------------------------------------
The RCC truly didn't start grasping hold of the Catholic Empire until 445, when the emperor Valentinian III decreed that all western bishops must obey the pope.

Notice that BOTH Theodosius AND Valentinian III were EMPERORS....NOT popes. Rome mere "back-dated" their line of popes, all the way to Peter.

Finally, it's ironic that prior to Constantine's Edict of making Christianity "legal", Roman authorities spent the previous 290 years persecuting Christians.

Then, in 385 CE the first Christians, were beheaded for heresy in Trier/Germany the Spanish Priscillianus and six followers.

This began a centuries-long assualt on both pagans AND non-Catholics that lasted up until the 1700's.

The manuscripts used to create the Bible existed 200+ years BEFORE Constantine legalized Christianity.

Roman leaders had NO control etc...of the network of Christian churches that had been in existence since the apostles had begun establishing them after Christ's ascension.

Rome merely assimilated them, beginning with the Council of Nicea.

And just because the RCC LISTS popes before then....

[link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]

....does NOT mean they were actually true Roman Catholic popes. Funny how pretty much ALL the supposed popes PRIOR to the proclamation of the Edict of Milan in 313 were killed.

[link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]

Killed by WHO?

Roman leaders.
 Quoting: TheLordsServant


Was my link a Catholic site or something ? I just grabbed the first search result, but probably should have checked whatever else is on the site before linking. I certainly agree with you that church councils did not determine canonicity.

AND"This further point is of interest." [TO ME, ANYWAY! ]

"All the writers of the Christian Greek Scriptures in one way or another were closely associated with the original governing body of the Christian congregation, which included apostles personally selected by Jesus.

Matthew, John, and Peter were among the original 12 apostles, and Paul was later selected as an apostle but was not reckoned as one of the 12.*

Although Paul was not present at the special outpouring of spirit at Pentecost, Matthew, John, and Peter were there, along with James and Jude and probably Mark. (Acts 1:14)

Peter specifically counts the letters of Paul in with “the rest of the Scriptures.” (2 Pet. 3:15, 16)

Mark and Luke were close associates and traveling companions of Paul and Peter. (Acts 12:25; 1 Pet. 5:13; Col. 4:14; 2 Tim. 4:11)

All these writers were endowed with miraculous abilities by holy spirit, either by special outpouring as occurred at Pentecost and when Paul was converted (Acts 9:17, 18)

or, no doubt as in the case of Luke, by the laying on of the apostles’ hands. (Acts 8:14-17)
All the writing of the Christian Greek Scriptures was completed during the time that the special gifts of the spirit were operative."

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...We hesitate to write this critique only because we worry that this will give backhanded merit to Atwill’s claims.

It’s kind of like writing an argument for why Santa Claus doesn’t exist: even engaging in the debate almost gives the illusion that there is a debate.

After all, even atheistic critics like Bart Ehrman have written,

“The view that Jesus existed is held by virtually every expert on the planet.”
Why should we even engage conspiracy theorists like this at all?

But unfortunately, many people in Western culture are so ignorant of historical, NT studies that they are in some cases bothered by Atwill’s theory.
For this reason, we feel a brief critique is in order.

[link to www.evidenceunseen.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77505643


The real issue with Atwill's theory is historical facts that contradict him.

We have New Testament fragments that date to the 1st Century AD.

Those manuscripts have lasted through...

-the Roman wars in the Middle East of the 1st / 2nd Century
-the 200+ years of Roman persecution of Christians that began with Nero
-the "trinitarian" changes made to the Bible beginning around Tertullian's time
-the invasions / expansion of Islam that began after Muhammad's death in 632 AD

AD 96 Clement Bishop of Rome quotes / refers to 11 books used for the New Testament including Matthew, Mark and Luke.

AD 108 Ignatius Bishop of Antioch quotes / refers to 24 books used for the New Testament including all 4 Gospels.

AD 110 Polycarp Bishop of Smyrna quotes / refers to 18 books used for the New Testament including all 4 Gospels.

---------------------------------------------------
The RCC truly didn't start grasping hold of the Catholic Empire until 445, when the emperor Valentinian III decreed that all western bishops must obey the pope.

Notice that BOTH Theodosius AND Valentinian III were EMPERORS....NOT popes. Rome mere "back-dated" their line of popes, all the way to Peter.

Finally, it's ironic that prior to Constantine's Edict of making Christianity "legal", Roman authorities spent the previous 290 years persecuting Christians.

Then, in 385 CE the first Christians, were beheaded for heresy in Trier/Germany the Spanish Priscillianus and six followers.

This began a centuries-long assualt on both pagans AND non-Catholics that lasted up until the 1700's.

The manuscripts used to create the Bible existed 200+ years BEFORE Constantine legalized Christianity.

Roman leaders had NO control etc...of the network of Christian churches that had been in existence since the apostles had begun establishing them after Christ's ascension.

Rome merely assimilated them, beginning with the Council of Nicea.

And just because the RCC LISTS popes before then....

[link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]

....does NOT mean they were actually true Roman Catholic popes. Funny how pretty much ALL the supposed popes PRIOR to the proclamation of the Edict of Milan in 313 were killed.

[link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]

Killed by WHO?

Roman leaders.
 Quoting: TheLordsServant


Was my link a Catholic site or something ? I just grabbed the first search result, but probably should have checked whatever else is on the site before linking. I certainly agree with you that church councils did not determine canonicity.

AND"This further point is of interest." [TO ME, ANYWAY! ]

"All the writers of the Christian Greek Scriptures in one way or another were closely associated with the original governing body of the Christian congregation, which included apostles personally selected by Jesus.

Matthew, John, and Peter were among the original 12 apostles, and Paul was later selected as an apostle but was not reckoned as one of the 12.*

Although Paul was not present at the special outpouring of spirit at Pentecost, Matthew, John, and Peter were there, along with James and Jude and probably Mark. (Acts 1:14)

Peter specifically counts the letters of Paul in with “the rest of the Scriptures.” (2 Pet. 3:15, 16)

Mark and Luke were close associates and traveling companions of Paul and Peter. (Acts 12:25; 1 Pet. 5:13; Col. 4:14; 2 Tim. 4:11)

All these writers were endowed with miraculous abilities by holy spirit, either by special outpouring as occurred at Pentecost and when Paul was converted (Acts 9:17, 18)

or, no doubt as in the case of Luke, by the laying on of the apostles’ hands. (Acts 8:14-17)
All the writing of the Christian Greek Scriptures was completed during the time that the special gifts of the spirit were operative."

[link to wol.jw.org (secure)]
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My post wasn't critical of what you posted.

I merely expounded on what was said at the link you provided.

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Re: Jesus is God
Here is an example of the messenger of Satan

Obammmaaaaa

It is now known by everyone

That he lied about everything

First place he went to as President

The seat of Satan in Europe

In contrast

Trump dedicated America to the Father in Heaven

This is the difference between a country doomed to death by the obbbbaaanmmmaaa and life presented by Trump
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