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Here's the passage from Wikipedia (the official story) about Adam HAVING RYAN LANZA's ID:

"Police sources initially reported Lanza's sibling, Ryan Lanza, as the perpetrator. This was likely because the perpetrator was carrying his brother's identification, Ryan told The Jersey Journal.[96] Lanza's brother, who lived in Hoboken, New Jersey and was at his job in New York City at the time of the shooting, voluntarily submitted to questioning by New Jersey State Police, Connecticut State Police, and the Federal Bureau of Investigation. Police said he was not considered a suspect, and he was not taken into custody.[37][97][98] Ryan Lanza said he had not been in touch with his brother since 2010.[99][100] Connecticut State Police indicated their concern about misinformation being posted on social media sites and threatened prosecution of anyone involved with such activities.[101]"


If Ryan LANZA lived in Hoboken and worked in NYC and had not been in touch with his autistic brother since 2010....HOW DID ADAM HAVE HIS ID?

It's simple questions like this that come out right from the absurd official story that PROVE THAT IT'S A LIE.
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The random photo thing was particularly interesting, because they really had to have gone to some random persons Facebook account and taken a childs picture for it to have surfaced as one of the victims pictures. It wasn't a name connection, someone wasn't Googling up the victims name and saw this Facebook girls picture and thought her the victim, because neither of the two had any name likeness.

Someone just plucked a random unrelated image and then posted it as a victim picture.

Why? My theory is that they were using morphing techniques to evolve pictures of random people online into new people. Pictures like the Lily Gaubert picture would have been templates they used to mold the new person over the top. I saw some videos to this effect at the time that showed one picture (the Lily Gaubert picture) morphing into the next (the victims picture) to show how general angles and proportions are the same across pictures.

The theory is the Lily Gaubert picture made it into the pictures simply by accident of them including the source pictures for their doctorings.
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I'm going back over some older posts here now. I'd forgotten all about that - there are SO MANY BIZARRE things about Sandy Hoax, including this child's picture being used for a victim when the girl was alive. How does that happen esp with no confusion in the names.

I also agree that I don't believe Adam Lanza actually existed - I think he was an invention. The Man Who Never Was - look up that case in WW2, very interesting example of how to create a persona to fool an entire government. So....Assuming that Papa Lanza and Brother Ryan Lanza are real people..which they seem to be....who are they really that they would go along with this? Obviously they never gave a shit about Adam, if he existed, despite his disability.

And what DID happen to Nancy Lanza? Papa Lanza had an ex-wife who was Ryan's mother - I'm assuming (perhaps incorrectly) that THIS is true. So what happened to her.

Perhaps, just throwing out an idea, perhaps there really was a disabled teen (autistic) who was being used to create this identity of Adam Lanza along with a woman pretending to be his mother?

This is quite a rabbit hole when you start asking questions. None of these people behaved normally from what I can see, and that Lanza house looks like a set up from all the photos. A production set.

Maybe "Adam Lanza" wasn't the originally patsy - maybe another story was originally and they decided to run with that narrative instead? Which might explain the confusion and also the poor production values in the Lanza house.
 Quoting: Blue State Rebel


I believe that Nancy is Ryan's mother and he was an only child. There is scant mention of Adam. Nancy Lanza was divorced from the father Lanza who was at one point reported to have been murdered by Ryan. Remember that jewel? How does that happen? It's as unlikely as the Wyatt/Gaubert gaff. Nancy is reported to have been from a LE family so she would have no qualms about participating in one of their drills. Especially if that isn't her real image being bandied about. She just goes to live elsewhere. Paris maybe. Who knows?
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I agree with everything you've said. I find remarkably little evidence that Adam actually existed and that there's a consistent time line for the Ryan clan. I do indeed remember the confusion in the first couple of hours of SH about Adam having RYAN's ID (why would that be and how would he have his NY brother's ID in CT - clever autistic boy) and whether Ryan had been murdered. There was also something about Ryan's girlfriend? if I recall correctly. There was a LOT of confusion during those couple of hours - throwing flak up to created red herrings? Or possibly they decided to change the narrative at the last minute. I assume whoever played Nancy is alive somewhere...but maybe not. She might have been an inconvenient loose end.

Did Adam have a driver's license? Maybe - I don't know. I wonder if there's a record of that. Did people know him in high school (or grade school)? Are there any pics of AL from that period?
 Quoting: Blue State Rebel


Adam appears to have been invented out of earlier photos of a younger Ryan. The same method many of the Sandy Hook "victims" were invented.
Yes, now that you mention it I think the media reported that "Adam" had Ryan's DL. Which makes sense since Adam was invented from Ryan. And I do recall that Ryan was being reported in the media as having murdered his girlfriend and his father at two different locations in New Jersey. Turns out the father Peter Lanza lived in Stamford, CT or I may need a refresher on that but I know it wasn't NJ. But, though they were investigating this murder, the media dropped it when it didn't match any narrative or fecked up their storyline. I remember thinking well who's dead then?

Nobody turns out. So they were just making it up.
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I have to wonder how long Ryan was without his ID (aside from how Adam would have acquired it) and whether he reported this as lost or stolen and in need of replacement.
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I'm going back over some older posts here now. I'd forgotten all about that - there are SO MANY BIZARRE things about Sandy Hoax, including this child's picture being used for a victim when the girl was alive. How does that happen esp with no confusion in the names.

I also agree that I don't believe Adam Lanza actually existed - I think he was an invention. The Man Who Never Was - look up that case in WW2, very interesting example of how to create a persona to fool an entire government. So....Assuming that Papa Lanza and Brother Ryan Lanza are real people..which they seem to be....who are they really that they would go along with this? Obviously they never gave a shit about Adam, if he existed, despite his disability.

And what DID happen to Nancy Lanza? Papa Lanza had an ex-wife who was Ryan's mother - I'm assuming (perhaps incorrectly) that THIS is true. So what happened to her.

Perhaps, just throwing out an idea, perhaps there really was a disabled teen (autistic) who was being used to create this identity of Adam Lanza along with a woman pretending to be his mother?

This is quite a rabbit hole when you start asking questions. None of these people behaved normally from what I can see, and that Lanza house looks like a set up from all the photos. A production set.

Maybe "Adam Lanza" wasn't the originally patsy - maybe another story was originally and they decided to run with that narrative instead? Which might explain the confusion and also the poor production values in the Lanza house.
 Quoting: Blue State Rebel


I believe that Nancy is Ryan's mother and he was an only child. There is scant mention of Adam. Nancy Lanza was divorced from the father Lanza who was at one point reported to have been murdered by Ryan. Remember that jewel? How does that happen? It's as unlikely as the Wyatt/Gaubert gaff. Nancy is reported to have been from a LE family so she would have no qualms about participating in one of their drills. Especially if that isn't her real image being bandied about. She just goes to live elsewhere. Paris maybe. Who knows?
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I agree with everything you've said. I find remarkably little evidence that Adam actually existed and that there's a consistent time line for the Ryan clan. I do indeed remember the confusion in the first couple of hours of SH about Adam having RYAN's ID (why would that be and how would he have his NY brother's ID in CT - clever autistic boy) and whether Ryan had been murdered. There was also something about Ryan's girlfriend? if I recall correctly. There was a LOT of confusion during those couple of hours - throwing flak up to created red herrings? Or possibly they decided to change the narrative at the last minute. I assume whoever played Nancy is alive somewhere...but maybe not. She might have been an inconvenient loose end.

Did Adam have a driver's license? Maybe - I don't know. I wonder if there's a record of that. Did people know him in high school (or grade school)? Are there any pics of AL from that period?
 Quoting: Blue State Rebel


Adam appears to have been invented out of earlier photos of a younger Ryan. The same method many of the Sandy Hook "victims" were invented.
Yes, now that you mention it I think the media reported that "Adam" had Ryan's DL. Which makes sense since Adam was invented from Ryan. And I do recall that Ryan was being reported in the media as having murdered his girlfriend and his father at two different locations in New Jersey. Turns out the father Peter Lanza lived in Stamford, CT or I may need a refresher on that but I know it wasn't NJ. But, though they were investigating this murder, the media dropped it when it didn't match any narrative or fecked up their storyline. I remember thinking well who's dead then?

Nobody turns out. So they were just making it up.
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The whole thing is made up, of course. We can punch holes in it for DAYS just going through the official story on Wikipedia. Which IS the official story.

The alleged Adam (per Wikipedia) did have Ryan's ID (who lived in NJ and worked in NYC) - how did he get this? Why would someone who's going to kill himself somehow desire to get and magically procure his brother's ID. Didn't Adam have his OWN ID of some type, especially if he could drive? Did he HAVE a drivers license?

I do remember those stories in the beginning about Ryan perhaps killing his gf and his dad and one wonders why those elements, which were never followed up (and presumably untrue) were included.

I get the sense that there was some big confusion in narrative about this story. Perhaps it was Ryan who was supposed to be the patsy. We'll never know - obviously no real investigation of this nonsense was ever done - except by Halbig and Fetzer and people like them.

Have Ryan and Papa Lanza (whose name I forget) ever done interviews about the brother and son they apparently abandoned for years?
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After perusing the official story on Wikipedia for the past couple of days, I could literally sit here and poke holes in it one after another after another, for HOURS. And that's just the official story - not even adding in any of the conspiracy theory ideas. The official story is NONSENSE.
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I have to wonder how long Ryan was without his ID (aside from how Adam would have acquired it) and whether he reported this as lost or stolen and in need of replacement.
 Quoting: Blue State Rebel


This was a drill. It wasn't an actual shooting. Therefore anything that was told to the media for them to regurgitate is just an ever-changing narrative to try to whack-a-mole holes in the story.

There was no broken glass to start with. Storyline: He was buzzed in because the secretaries recognized him as the son of the kindergarten teacher. They even commented about how sweet and nice Ms. Lanza was. Blatant lies since she never worked at the schools.

Story changes to, he shot out the glass AFTER police broke it when they did their drill scenario and realized they needed to show a different story about how "he" got in.

The original story had versions about Ryan and Adam both being involved and that's because the drill scenario said TWO sons of the kindergarten teacher.

It was lie without retraction or explanation just new storyline supplanted by new storyline, supplanted by new storyline as it crumpled and fell as all lies do.
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The random photo thing was particularly interesting, because they really had to have gone to some random persons Facebook account and taken a childs picture for it to have surfaced as one of the victims pictures. It wasn't a name connection, someone wasn't Googling up the victims name and saw this Facebook girls picture and thought her the victim, because neither of the two had any name likeness.

Someone just plucked a random unrelated image and then posted it as a victim picture.

Why? My theory is that they were using morphing techniques to evolve pictures of random people online into new people. Pictures like the Lily Gaubert picture would have been templates they used to mold the new person over the top. I saw some videos to this effect at the time that showed one picture (the Lily Gaubert picture) morphing into the next (the victims picture) to show how general angles and proportions are the same across pictures.

The theory is the Lily Gaubert picture made it into the pictures simply by accident of them including the source pictures for their doctorings.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78080703



I'm going back over some older posts here now. I'd forgotten all about that - there are SO MANY BIZARRE things about Sandy Hoax, including this child's picture being used for a victim when the girl was alive. How does that happen esp with no confusion in the names.

I also agree that I don't believe Adam Lanza actually existed - I think he was an invention. The Man Who Never Was - look up that case in WW2, very interesting example of how to create a persona to fool an entire government. So....Assuming that Papa Lanza and Brother Ryan Lanza are real people..which they seem to be....who are they really that they would go along with this? Obviously they never gave a shit about Adam, if he existed, despite his disability.

And what DID happen to Nancy Lanza? Papa Lanza had an ex-wife who was Ryan's mother - I'm assuming (perhaps incorrectly) that THIS is true. So what happened to her.

Perhaps, just throwing out an idea, perhaps there really was a disabled teen (autistic) who was being used to create this identity of Adam Lanza along with a woman pretending to be his mother?

This is quite a rabbit hole when you start asking questions. None of these people behaved normally from what I can see, and that Lanza house looks like a set up from all the photos. A production set.

Maybe "Adam Lanza" wasn't the originally patsy - maybe another story was originally and they decided to run with that narrative instead? Which might explain the confusion and also the poor production values in the Lanza house.
 Quoting: Blue State Rebel


I believe that Nancy is Ryan's mother and he was an only child. There is scant mention of Adam. Nancy Lanza was divorced from the father Lanza who was at one point reported to have been murdered by Ryan. Remember that jewel? How does that happen? It's as unlikely as the Wyatt/Gaubert gaff. Nancy is reported to have been from a LE family so she would have no qualms about participating in one of their drills. Especially if that isn't her real image being bandied about. She just goes to live elsewhere. Paris maybe. Who knows?
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I agree with everything you've said. I find remarkably little evidence that Adam actually existed and that there's a consistent time line for the Ryan clan. I do indeed remember the confusion in the first couple of hours of SH about Adam having RYAN's ID (why would that be and how would he have his NY brother's ID in CT - clever autistic boy) and whether Ryan had been murdered. There was also something about Ryan's girlfriend? if I recall correctly. There was a LOT of confusion during those couple of hours - throwing flak up to created red herrings? Or possibly they decided to change the narrative at the last minute. I assume whoever played Nancy is alive somewhere...but maybe not. She might have been an inconvenient loose end.

Did Adam have a driver's license? Maybe - I don't know. I wonder if there's a record of that. Did people know him in high school (or grade school)? Are there any pics of AL from that period?
 Quoting: Blue State Rebel


Well, you do have video footage of him playing DDR at shopping malls with his facial features disappearing and reappearing between frames.
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The crisis actor tasked to play the role of Adam Lanza in the Sandy Hook Elementary Drill was FBI Agent's son, David Hogg.


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When the drill was reported as real by gun-grabbing commie fake news, the actors were supposed to stay quiet. David Hogg was in California where he graduated in Redondo beach, and he got into a confrontation at a local beach with a police officer over a surf board on a trash can. This was a foul-up by egotistical David Hogg. After his face was public he was given a too-big-to-fail designation and sent to the Parkland Florida operation where again, David screwed up. Prior to the operation, big-head David leaked to students that he was a crisis actor and thank god they published the YouTube video accusing him as such prior to the operation. After the operation he claimed to have been at the school when the shooting took place, as a student. This was later proven false and he recanted that he was a student. The fake news attention gave David a platform to be planted as an national youth anti-gun advocate figure. The walking disaster of a human being that is David Hogg has been bumbledicking around the commie news ever since. You know I'm right.
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The ONLY Sandy Hook lawsuit that succeeded because it was basically a lawsuit about slander and defamation and not about the Sandy Hook schooting. No discovery required. All the other Sandy Hook lawsuits got thrown out of court.

The Remington lawsuit thrown out!
The Scarlet Lewis school board lawsuit thrown out!
The Posner versus Halbig lawsuit thrown out!
The only child survivor lawsuit Thrown out!

Alex took the hit because they wanted to remove him from the picture. He didn't stand a chance. He could not press for discovery and then they blackmailed him with child porn THEY sent to his mailbox.
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And they had his ex wife fighting against him and I think they threatened to take his children from him permanently (no parental rights). So Alex was in a tough spot, especially as he did a lot of crazy shit before his divorce, hanging out with Charlie Sheen, etc. He seems to have settled down since his re-marriage. I wish he had not said all that shit on the Joe Rogan show but I think it came down to Sandy Hoax and fears about his children, trying to keep his business afloat. I have rarely seen a man under such attack just for keeping a media business open.
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Was he setup? Its starting to look that way!
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I absolutely believe he was set up and probably in more ways than one. He has talked about how they tried to set up his operation with child porn, which is a classic tactic of the spooks. One wonders if Charlie Sheen was a set-up - get Charlie to approach star-struck Jones and pretend to be friendly. Compromise him, get him to use drugs or get drunk. I wouldn't be surprised. Jones has always craved legitimacy and to be taken seriously, which is a normal thing to want, esp in his field, but like Trump he's been subjected to endless attacks and ridicule. I think they caught him at a weak point and exploited his weaknesses. His desire for "big names" to take notice of him. It's unfortunate as he has done more to wake up people in the US than any other single figure other than perhaps Trump himself. And he's been warning us about the Clintons since the 90s and the Chinese for the past several years.

I actually think he's become more powerful and focused since all of this happened and he's had to cut back his operations because of the censorship. Push a man into a corner, take away everything and he's got nothing to lose. That's a dangerous opponent.
 Quoting: Blue State Rebel


To bad that Jim Fetzer, Alex Jones, Roger Stone and Wolfgang Halbig wouldn't stick together, stop the name calling and just present the facts. If they had done that they would be a force to reckon with. Unfortunately pride got in thier way. Divide and conquer!
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The crisis actor tasked to play the role of Adam Lanza in the Sandy Hook Elementary Drill was FBI Agent's son, David Hogg.


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When the drill was reported as real by gun-grabbing commie fake news, the actors were supposed to stay quiet. David Hogg was in California where he graduated in Redondo beach, and he got into a confrontation at a local beach with a police officer over a surf board on a trash can. This was a foul-up by egotistical David Hogg. After his face was public he was given a too-big-to-fail designation and sent to the Parkland Florida operation where again, David screwed up. Prior to the operation, big-head David leaked to students that he was a crisis actor and thank god they published the YouTube video accusing him as such prior to the operation. After the operation he claimed to have been at the school when the shooting took place, as a student. This was later proven false and he recanted that he was a student. The fake news attention gave David a platform to be planted as an national youth anti-gun advocate figure. The walking disaster of a human being that is David Hogg has been bumbledicking around the commie news ever since. You know I'm right.
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There are at least three other theories about who Lanza was supposed to be:

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Freedom of speech.

That is starting to sound like an old fashioned concept.
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You don't even have it on this website.
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Adam died on the 13th but somehow managed to commit his crime on the 14th. Maybe the police arrested Adam's brother because Adam was already dead the day before. And miracle of miracles Pricipal Hotchsprung gave an interview to the press after she was already dead. Sally Cox (school nurse) hide in the closet for four hours without being detected by police who were on a manhunt for several killers. Then the Facebook and charity started posting Sandy Hook condolence pages even before the shooting. The school is full of asbestos and they expect us to believe it was an active school.
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Adam died on the 13th but somehow managed to commit his crime on the 14th. Maybe the police arrested Adam's brother because Adam was already dead the day before. And miracle of miracles Pricipal Hotchsprung gave an interview to the press after she was already dead. Sally Cox (school nurse) hide in the closet for four hours without being detected by police who were on a manhunt for several killers. Then the Facebook and charity started posting Sandy Hook condolence pages even before the shooting. The school is full of asbestos and they expect us to believe it was an active school.
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Of course they tried to explain all this away but come on!!
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The crisis actor tasked to play the role of Adam Lanza in the Sandy Hook Elementary Drill was FBI Agent's son, David Hogg.


IMAGE ( [link to 2.bp.blogspot.com (secure)] )


When the drill was reported as real by gun-grabbing commie fake news, the actors were supposed to stay quiet. David Hogg was in California where he graduated in Redondo beach, and he got into a confrontation at a local beach with a police officer over a surf board on a trash can. This was a foul-up by egotistical David Hogg. After his face was public he was given a too-big-to-fail designation and sent to the Parkland Florida operation where again, David screwed up. Prior to the operation, big-head David leaked to students that he was a crisis actor and thank god they published the YouTube video accusing him as such prior to the operation. After the operation he claimed to have been at the school when the shooting took place, as a student. This was later proven false and he recanted that he was a student. The fake news attention gave David a platform to be planted as an national youth anti-gun advocate figure. The walking disaster of a human being that is David Hogg has been bumbledicking around the commie news ever since. You know I'm right.
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There are at least three other theories about who Lanza was supposed to be:

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 Quoting: TomShillington


Let's not muddy the waters with vague similarities -- solid facts are the only thing we need now. David Hogg IS the actor who played Adam Lanza. Add to that the fact that there are zero pictures of Adam Lanza in the evidence photos released of Ryan Lanza's home, only pictures of Ryan Lanza. None of the school papers in the released evidence trough show Adam Lanza's school papers, only Ryan's. There's maybe one scraggly doodle that says Adam Lanza on it looks like it was made by a two year old, but that's it. Plus the accusations levvied against David Hogg of being a crisis actor from Parkland students in a Parkland High School cafeteria cell phone video published PRIOR to the Parkland operation. This non-student Hogg shows up at the Parkland school just prior to the operation...David Hogg is the actor who played Adam Lanza, no question about it.
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The crisis actor tasked to play the role of Adam Lanza in the Sandy Hook Elementary Drill was FBI Agent's son, David Hogg.


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When the drill was reported as real by gun-grabbing commie fake news, the actors were supposed to stay quiet. David Hogg was in California where he graduated in Redondo beach, and he got into a confrontation at a local beach with a police officer over a surf board on a trash can. This was a foul-up by egotistical David Hogg. After his face was public he was given a too-big-to-fail designation and sent to the Parkland Florida operation where again, David screwed up. Prior to the operation, big-head David leaked to students that he was a crisis actor and thank god they published the YouTube video accusing him as such prior to the operation. After the operation he claimed to have been at the school when the shooting took place, as a student. This was later proven false and he recanted that he was a student. The fake news attention gave David a platform to be planted as an national youth anti-gun advocate figure. The walking disaster of a human being that is David Hogg has been bumbledicking around the commie news ever since. You know I'm right.
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There are at least three other theories about who Lanza was supposed to be:

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 Quoting: TomShillington


Let's not muddy the waters with vague similarities -- solid facts are the only thing we need now. David Hogg IS the actor who played Adam Lanza. Add to that the fact that there are zero pictures of Adam Lanza in the evidence photos released of Ryan Lanza's home, only pictures of Ryan Lanza. None of the school papers in the released evidence trough show Adam Lanza's school papers, only Ryan's. There's maybe one scraggly doodle that says Adam Lanza on it looks like it was made by a two year old, but that's it. Plus the accusations levvied against David Hogg of being a crisis actor from Parkland students in a Parkland High School cafeteria cell phone video published PRIOR to the Parkland operation. This non-student Hogg shows up at the Parkland school just prior to the operation...David Hogg is the actor who played Adam Lanza, no question about it.
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I'm not muddying the waters, other Sandy Hook hoaxers had those other Lanza theories.

There is a problem with lookalike evidence. If needed, Hogg can produce a birth certificate, school records, passport, any medical records to prove his identity. Only thing to counter that is an opinion that Hogg/Lanza lookalike
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Here's the passage from Wikipedia (the official story) about Adam HAVING RYAN LANZA's ID:

"Police sources initially reported Lanza's sibling, Ryan Lanza, as the perpetrator. This was likely because the perpetrator was carrying his brother's identification, Ryan told The Jersey Journal.[96] Lanza's brother, who lived in Hoboken, New Jersey and was at his job in New York City at the time of the shooting, voluntarily submitted to questioning by New Jersey State Police, Connecticut State Police, and the Federal Bureau of Investigation. Police said he was not considered a suspect, and he was not taken into custody.[37][97][98] Ryan Lanza said he had not been in touch with his brother since 2010.[99][100] Connecticut State Police indicated their concern about misinformation being posted on social media sites and threatened prosecution of anyone involved with such activities.[101]"


If Ryan LANZA lived in Hoboken and worked in NYC and had not been in touch with his autistic brother since 2010....HOW DID ADAM HAVE HIS ID?

It's simple questions like this that come out right from the absurd official story that PROVE THAT IT'S A LIE.
 Quoting: Blue State Rebel

Pretty mixed up eh? Then there was the off duty cop in the woods that was detained. It all makes you wonder how they could have messed up so much.
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The one thing that always stuck in my memory was the man with the flat expression. The guy that entered the school just before Adam Lanza. Why say it that way? Man with a flat expression makes it sound like a spy movie. Its so stupid!
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The crisis actor tasked to play the role of Adam Lanza in the Sandy Hook Elementary Drill was FBI Agent's son, David Hogg.


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When the drill was reported as real by gun-grabbing commie fake news, the actors were supposed to stay quiet. David Hogg was in California where he graduated in Redondo beach, and he got into a confrontation at a local beach with a police officer over a surf board on a trash can. This was a foul-up by egotistical David Hogg. After his face was public he was given a too-big-to-fail designation and sent to the Parkland Florida operation where again, David screwed up. Prior to the operation, big-head David leaked to students that he was a crisis actor and thank god they published the YouTube video accusing him as such prior to the operation. After the operation he claimed to have been at the school when the shooting took place, as a student. This was later proven false and he recanted that he was a student. The fake news attention gave David a platform to be planted as an national youth anti-gun advocate figure. The walking disaster of a human being that is David Hogg has been bumbledicking around the commie news ever since. You know I'm right.
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There are at least three other theories about who Lanza was supposed to be:

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 Quoting: TomShillington


Let's not muddy the waters with vague similarities -- solid facts are the only thing we need now. David Hogg IS the actor who played Adam Lanza. Add to that the fact that there are zero pictures of Adam Lanza in the evidence photos released of Ryan Lanza's home, only pictures of Ryan Lanza. None of the school papers in the released evidence trough show Adam Lanza's school papers, only Ryan's. There's maybe one scraggly doodle that says Adam Lanza on it looks like it was made by a two year old, but that's it. Plus the accusations levvied against David Hogg of being a crisis actor from Parkland students in a Parkland High School cafeteria cell phone video published PRIOR to the Parkland operation. This non-student Hogg shows up at the Parkland school just prior to the operation...David Hogg is the actor who played Adam Lanza, no question about it.
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I'm not muddying the waters, other Sandy Hook hoaxers had those other Lanza theories.

There is a problem with lookalike evidence. If needed, Hogg can produce a birth certificate, school records, passport, any medical records to prove his identity. Only thing to counter that is an opinion that Hogg/Lanza lookalike
 Quoting: TomShillington


Hogg's identity is legit. He's the son of an FBI Agent.

The role of Adam Lanza was played by crisis actor David Hogg. The legitimacy of the Adam Lanza identity is what is called into question. No pictures in the evidence trough of Adam Lanza as a child. Not one. We need 3 sets of pictures to prove this...Same-age photos of David Hogg, Adam Lanza, and Ryan Lanza. That's it. You can't do that because Adam Lanza's identity is fudged with Ryan Lanza and David Hogg.
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"THE MAN WITH THE FLAT EXPRESSION"

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There are at least three other theories about who Lanza was supposed to be:

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 Quoting: TomShillington


Let's not muddy the waters with vague similarities -- solid facts are the only thing we need now. David Hogg IS the actor who played Adam Lanza. Add to that the fact that there are zero pictures of Adam Lanza in the evidence photos released of Ryan Lanza's home, only pictures of Ryan Lanza. None of the school papers in the released evidence trough show Adam Lanza's school papers, only Ryan's. There's maybe one scraggly doodle that says Adam Lanza on it looks like it was made by a two year old, but that's it. Plus the accusations levvied against David Hogg of being a crisis actor from Parkland students in a Parkland High School cafeteria cell phone video published PRIOR to the Parkland operation. This non-student Hogg shows up at the Parkland school just prior to the operation...David Hogg is the actor who played Adam Lanza, no question about it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78094101


I'm not muddying the waters, other Sandy Hook hoaxers had those other Lanza theories.

There is a problem with lookalike evidence. If needed, Hogg can produce a birth certificate, school records, passport, any medical records to prove his identity. Only thing to counter that is an opinion that Hogg/Lanza lookalike
 Quoting: TomShillington


Hogg's identity is legit. He's the son of an FBI Agent.

The role of Adam Lanza was played by crisis actor David Hogg. The legitimacy of the Adam Lanza identity is what is called into question. No pictures in the evidence trough of Adam Lanza as a child. Not one. We need 3 sets of pictures to prove this...Same-age photos of David Hogg, Adam Lanza, and Ryan Lanza. That's it. You can't do that because Adam Lanza's identity is fudged with Ryan Lanza and David Hogg.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78094101


Childhood photos of Adam Lanza.

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Let's not muddy the waters with vague similarities -- solid facts are the only thing we need now. David Hogg IS the actor who played Adam Lanza. Add to that the fact that there are zero pictures of Adam Lanza in the evidence photos released of Ryan Lanza's home, only pictures of Ryan Lanza. None of the school papers in the released evidence trough show Adam Lanza's school papers, only Ryan's. There's maybe one scraggly doodle that says Adam Lanza on it looks like it was made by a two year old, but that's it. Plus the accusations levvied against David Hogg of being a crisis actor from Parkland students in a Parkland High School cafeteria cell phone video published PRIOR to the Parkland operation. This non-student Hogg shows up at the Parkland school just prior to the operation...David Hogg is the actor who played Adam Lanza, no question about it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78094101


I'm not muddying the waters, other Sandy Hook hoaxers had those other Lanza theories.

There is a problem with lookalike evidence. If needed, Hogg can produce a birth certificate, school records, passport, any medical records to prove his identity. Only thing to counter that is an opinion that Hogg/Lanza lookalike
 Quoting: TomShillington


Hogg's identity is legit. He's the son of an FBI Agent.

The role of Adam Lanza was played by crisis actor David Hogg. The legitimacy of the Adam Lanza identity is what is called into question. No pictures in the evidence trough of Adam Lanza as a child. Not one. We need 3 sets of pictures to prove this...Same-age photos of David Hogg, Adam Lanza, and Ryan Lanza. That's it. You can't do that because Adam Lanza's identity is fudged with Ryan Lanza and David Hogg.
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Childhood photos of Adam Lanza.

[link to cryinghampster.wordpress.com (secure)]
 Quoting: TomShillington


Good job. Now who's got the David Hogg childhood photos?
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This thread has been super-slided to the second page in just a couple minutes. Ask the right questions and get the turbo-shills get busy. No definitive similar-age pics to compare Adam Lanza, Ryan Lanza and David Hogg to prove they didn't just use David Hogg's child photos for the role of Adam Lanza.

Here are some other things to consider.

The father of David Hogg:

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The father of Ryan Lanza:

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Also noted are "not pictured" yearbook spots of Adam Lanza several years running.
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Also Sandy Hook deniers should (If they have any) have their children taken from them, as they are clearly not mature enough to bear the responsibility of parenthood.
These types of people are dangerous. Insane, heartless and rotten inside and out. They think that their idiotic theories trump the travesty that no parent should ever have to go through.

They are the biggest losers on the planet and should just shut their vile, fucking mouths.
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Spoken like a person who has no children. Examine the event and if you didnt watch the media happen in real time then you missed much of the evidence against it being real. It simply did not play out like a real event would have. In no universe would such a cut and dry event have so many media retractions as to make the whole story up 3x over.

I have 4 sons and twice as many grandchildren; all happy and sane people. There are many crimes I do believe happened, the true crime of Sandy Hook is the grandiose lies generated to make Americans give up their 2nd Amendment rights - an event far more likely than a skinny 120lb kid turning Rambo and executing dozens of children with beyond military precision entirely without training or motive.
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And yet NO rights were taken away as a result of this "hoax."

In other words, this enormous "hoax" was acted out for NOTHING. For NO REASON at all.

Yeah. Okay. Sure.

There are some really sick people on this website and this thread is a perfect example.
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There are some really sick people on this website and this thread is a perfect example.


Ad hominem, attacking the speaker, is a logical fallacy. Refute or contribute with facts, or hold your peace/venom, please.
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Ben Wheeler - The ears are COMPLETELY different...NOT the same kid.
Appeasement is feeding a crocodile, hoping he will eat you last.
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There are some really sick people on this website and this thread is a perfect example.
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Ad hominem, attacking the speaker, is a logical fallacy. Refute or contribute with facts, or hold your peace/venom, please.


I just did refute his statement with facts. Learn how to read.

One of the biggest reasons these clowns believe it was a hoax is because 2nd amendment rights were going to be taken away.

No rights were taken away as a result, and not even after the hundreds of shootings that have happened since.

Epic fail.
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And they had his ex wife fighting against him and I think they threatened to take his children from him permanently (no parental rights). So Alex was in a tough spot, especially as he did a lot of crazy shit before his divorce, hanging out with Charlie Sheen, etc. He seems to have settled down since his re-marriage. I wish he had not said all that shit on the Joe Rogan show but I think it came down to Sandy Hoax and fears about his children, trying to keep his business afloat. I have rarely seen a man under such attack just for keeping a media business open.
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Was he setup? Its starting to look that way!
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I absolutely believe he was set up and probably in more ways than one. He has talked about how they tried to set up his operation with child porn, which is a classic tactic of the spooks. One wonders if Charlie Sheen was a set-up - get Charlie to approach star-struck Jones and pretend to be friendly. Compromise him, get him to use drugs or get drunk. I wouldn't be surprised. Jones has always craved legitimacy and to be taken seriously, which is a normal thing to want, esp in his field, but like Trump he's been subjected to endless attacks and ridicule. I think they caught him at a weak point and exploited his weaknesses. His desire for "big names" to take notice of him. It's unfortunate as he has done more to wake up people in the US than any other single figure other than perhaps Trump himself. And he's been warning us about the Clintons since the 90s and the Chinese for the past several years.

I actually think he's become more powerful and focused since all of this happened and he's had to cut back his operations because of the censorship. Push a man into a corner, take away everything and he's got nothing to lose. That's a dangerous opponent.
 Quoting: Blue State Rebel


To bad that Jim Fetzer, Alex Jones, Roger Stone and Wolfgang Halbig wouldn't stick together, stop the name calling and just present the facts. If they had done that they would be a force to reckon with. Unfortunately pride got in thier way. Divide and conquer!
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I completely agree with that. Halbig did the best job. Fetzer's mistake was to get personal with Pozner. That was a fail. You have to stick to the facts of official story and just rip through those gaping holes in there. Which is basically what Halbig did. Fetzer focused on something personal with Pozner that opened the way for a defamation suit and how do you prove Noah is not Noah or he's dead? I don't really think we can at our level of knowledge and data. It's all theories. And death certificates even though it is quite odd that there are slightly different versions, are still death certificates - meaningless, I think as they could fill out a real cert for someone fake just as easily as someone real. It's just a piece of paper - it's whatever they have to back that up with. Ultimately you'd have to exhume the body and that's not going to happen.

As for Jones, he is a truly sorry piece of work. I've tried to be sympathetic as I know he was backed into a corner but he's really had an EPIC FAIL on this issue and it hurts him in general. I listened to him briefly today and he was going on about how these false flags, including Sandy Hook! are real and carried out by mentally ill young men like "Adam Lanza". I was so disgusted by what he was saying - which he cannot possibly believe - I had to turn him off. He should have fought these suits himself but he must be too vulnerable or not have the resources. In which case, he should not address these issues AT ALL rather than LIE about them and be a knave. Shameful.
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The crisis actor tasked to play the role of Adam Lanza in the Sandy Hook Elementary Drill was FBI Agent's son, David Hogg.


IMAGE ( [link to 2.bp.blogspot.com (secure)] )


When the drill was reported as real by gun-grabbing commie fake news, the actors were supposed to stay quiet. David Hogg was in California where he graduated in Redondo beach, and he got into a confrontation at a local beach with a police officer over a surf board on a trash can. This was a foul-up by egotistical David Hogg. After his face was public he was given a too-big-to-fail designation and sent to the Parkland Florida operation where again, David screwed up. Prior to the operation, big-head David leaked to students that he was a crisis actor and thank god they published the YouTube video accusing him as such prior to the operation. After the operation he claimed to have been at the school when the shooting took place, as a student. This was later proven false and he recanted that he was a student. The fake news attention gave David a platform to be planted as an national youth anti-gun advocate figure. The walking disaster of a human being that is David Hogg has been bumbledicking around the commie news ever since. You know I'm right.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78094101


There are at least three other theories about who Lanza was supposed to be:

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 Quoting: TomShillington



Parts of the Lovecraft picture are a remarkable likeness - the nose and mouth are almost identical. The eyebrows are similar. I assume that this is a composite picture from different sources, perhaps including Lovecraft. Lovecraft would appeal to their bizarre sense of humor because he wrote about small creepy NE towns like Newtowne. It could be like Arkham.

As for the other alleged pictures of Lanza when "younger", those obviously could just be fakes or composites or other children/young men as well.

Hmmmm....I wonder if there are any pictures of Lovecraft as a youngster, LOL.
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Adam died on the 13th but somehow managed to commit his crime on the 14th. Maybe the police arrested Adam's brother because Adam was already dead the day before. And miracle of miracles Pricipal Hotchsprung gave an interview to the press after she was already dead. Sally Cox (school nurse) hide in the closet for four hours without being detected by police who were on a manhunt for several killers. Then the Facebook and charity started posting Sandy Hook condolence pages even before the shooting. The school is full of asbestos and they expect us to believe it was an active school.
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As far as I know and remember, all of this is literally true and part of the official story (except for the FB pages which we know from alternate researchers like Fetzer etc).

I always liked the story, referred to in earlier posts, about how the killer was the son of a teacher, which was elided over later on.

It's amazing how much "Adam Lanza" was able to get done in the allotted FIVE MINUTES.
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The crisis actor tasked to play the role of Adam Lanza in the Sandy Hook Elementary Drill was FBI Agent's son, David Hogg.


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When the drill was reported as real by gun-grabbing commie fake news, the actors were supposed to stay quiet. David Hogg was in California where he graduated in Redondo beach, and he got into a confrontation at a local beach with a police officer over a surf board on a trash can. This was a foul-up by egotistical David Hogg. After his face was public he was given a too-big-to-fail designation and sent to the Parkland Florida operation where again, David screwed up. Prior to the operation, big-head David leaked to students that he was a crisis actor and thank god they published the YouTube video accusing him as such prior to the operation. After the operation he claimed to have been at the school when the shooting took place, as a student. This was later proven false and he recanted that he was a student. The fake news attention gave David a platform to be planted as an national youth anti-gun advocate figure. The walking disaster of a human being that is David Hogg has been bumbledicking around the commie news ever since. You know I'm right.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78094101


There are at least three other theories about who Lanza was supposed to be:

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[link to imgur.com (secure)]

[link to imgur.com (secure)]
 Quoting: TomShillington


Let's not muddy the waters with vague similarities -- solid facts are the only thing we need now. David Hogg IS the actor who played Adam Lanza. Add to that the fact that there are zero pictures of Adam Lanza in the evidence photos released of Ryan Lanza's home, only pictures of Ryan Lanza. None of the school papers in the released evidence trough show Adam Lanza's school papers, only Ryan's. There's maybe one scraggly doodle that says Adam Lanza on it looks like it was made by a two year old, but that's it. Plus the accusations levvied against David Hogg of being a crisis actor from Parkland students in a Parkland High School cafeteria cell phone video published PRIOR to the Parkland operation. This non-student Hogg shows up at the Parkland school just prior to the operation...David Hogg is the actor who played Adam Lanza, no question about it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78094101


I'm not muddying the waters, other Sandy Hook hoaxers had those other Lanza theories.

There is a problem with lookalike evidence. If needed, Hogg can produce a birth certificate, school records, passport, any medical records to prove his identity. Only thing to counter that is an opinion that Hogg/Lanza lookalike
 Quoting: TomShillington



Personally I believe Adam Lanza is a composite. But you make an excellent point - I'm sure Hogg can produce all these documents and probably they could make up stuff for Lanza, etc. Because the people in charge of the documents can make up documents for anyone, real or not. What amazes me is the shoddy job they do so frequently, for example, with Obama's fake birth certificate. But probably in that case, they were trying to fit him into a sequence whereas with Sandy Hook, everything was from scratch and put in presumably in sequence.

I think examination of the timeline, police story and witnesses and physical evidence from the school and its programs may be the best evidence rather than trying to examine identities that we really cannot procure the data to adequately ascertain. We all have suspicions but unless someone comes forward and confesses - and that MAY HAPPEN someday - I don't think we can prove identities. Just suspicions.





GLP