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In the end, he's going to stay loyal to Trump.
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no actually the US Senate and the Supreme court does

and in the Constitution you must prove a high crime or a misdemeanor.

And for Definition of Quid Pro Quo to be illegal would

mean it would personally have to benefit trumps own pocketbook.
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LOL.

What a load of complete rubbish and badly written at that.
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no its a 100% factual Bernie Tard.
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1. The Senate has nothing to do with impeachment.

2. The Supreme Court has nothing to do with impeachment.

3. "in the Constitution you must prove a high crime or a misdemeanor" is so poorly written that it is difficult to understand what you are getting at.

4. You are confusing quid pro quo with emoluments. Quid pro quo could be the use of political pressure on a foreign power to further his own re-election - that does not have to involve money.

Finally:

"its a 100% factual Bernie Tard"

What does that mean? Have you considered a remedial English class?
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man are you dumb
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First of all even if there is evidence of a quit pro quo its not against the law so lindsey is full of shit.

but its more than obvious the little warmonger is threatening Trump
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The Congress decides what an impeachable offense is. That does not have to be a violation of existing law.
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Uh, yes it does.

Congress doesn't get to make shit up on the fly and say "Trump farted in the meeting, that an impeachable offense".

It has to be established law (felonies or misdemeanors).

How would the Senate try a case based on something other than law? How can they try a case based on Demonrat "feelings"?

A trial is based on law.
Who is John Galt?
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Re: NEW: Sen. Lindsey Graham does not rule out the possibility of Trump impeachment and conviction if new evidence emerges
#1 for Quid Pro Quo to be a crime it must benefit Trump financially and personally. (What Joe Biden did not trump)

#2 the US Senate holds Trials for Impeachment, Not the congress, all they can do is an Impeachment Inquiry.

#3 for an Impeachment Inquiry, to be legal it must be voted on and held on the house floor. (which it is not)

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Re: NEW: Sen. Lindsey Graham does not rule out the possibility of Trump impeachment and conviction if new evidence emerges
I'm going with the odds.
Never been done..

Remove a president from office through impeachment.

What happens if the chief justice disagrees?
What happens if he states that elections are for political removal from office?

It will be under a year also..
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I'm going with the odds.
Never been done..

Remove a president from office through impeachment.

What happens if the chief justice disagrees?
What happens if he states that elections are for political removal from office?

It will be under a year also..
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there is not quid pro quo here... 5 different former AGs have read the transcript, nothing illegal there
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Re: NEW: Sen. Lindsey Graham does not rule out the possibility of Trump impeachment and conviction if new evidence emerges
Now if Trump got a half a million dollar check from the Ukraine to do something that would be quid pro quo
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Re: NEW: Sen. Lindsey Graham does not rule out the possibility of Trump impeachment and conviction if new evidence emerges
First of all even if there is evidence of a quit pro quo its not against the law so lindsey is full of shit.

but its more than obvious the little warmonger is threatening Trump
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The Congress decides what an impeachable offense is. That does not have to be a violation of existing law.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78098956


Uh, yes it does.

Congress doesn't get to make shit up on the fly and say "Trump farted in the meeting, that an impeachable offense".

It has to be established law (felonies or misdemeanors).

How would the Senate try a case based on something other than law? How can they try a case based on Demonrat "feelings"?

A trial is based on law.
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“High crimes and misdemeanors” is a category found nowhere in criminal law. The framers meant something broader: a demeaning or undermining of the office. High crimes are actions that abuse the public’s trust in the president. Of course, legal crimes can also be high crimes; stealing money from the public treasury is both illegal and impeachable. But a president does not need to break the law to commit a high crime. And that does not mean "make shit up on the fly".

"How would the Senate try a case based on something other than law? "

The Senate conducts a trial for each of the articles of impeachment passed by the House. These articles are presented to the Senate by House managers.
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Re: NEW: Sen. Lindsey Graham does not rule out the possibility of Trump impeachment and conviction if new evidence emerges
I'm going with the odds.
Never been done..

Remove a president from office through impeachment.

What happens if the chief justice disagrees?
What happens if he states that elections are for political removal from office?

It will be under a year also..
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10724289


there is not quid pro quo here... 5 different former AGs have read the transcript, nothing illegal there
 Quoting: Jake


Weaponized law makers don't really care about laws.
Politics over the nations stability.
The chief justice will take this into consideration while serving as judge to the trial.
Overriding the peoples vote for political gamesmanship.
Just because the third branch hasn't insisted doesn't mean it can't shut an impeachment down due to treasonous acts from congress.

Expect to be surprised if it gets to the senate.
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Re: NEW: Sen. Lindsey Graham does not rule out the possibility of Trump impeachment and conviction if new evidence emerges
I'm going with the odds.
Never been done..

Remove a president from office through impeachment.

What happens if the chief justice disagrees?
What happens if he states that elections are for political removal from office?

It will be under a year also..
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10724289


there is not quid pro quo here... 5 different former AGs have read the transcript, nothing illegal there
 Quoting: Jake


Weaponized law makers don't really care about laws.
Politics over the nations stability.
The chief justice will take this into consideration while serving as judge to the trial.
Overriding the peoples vote for political gamesmanship.
Just because the third branch hasn't insisted doesn't mean it can't shut an impeachment down due to treasonous acts from congress.

Expect to be surprised if it gets to the senate.
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It boils down to one thing, Israel is Using the US Military to fight their wars in the Middle East and they fucking got caught.

They don't care if we go bankrupt.

So all the Jevvs in congress are out to impeach trump over it.

this is worse than 911

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Re: NEW: Sen. Lindsey Graham does not rule out the possibility of Trump impeachment and conviction if new evidence emerges
#1 for Quid Pro Quo to be a crime it must benefit Trump financially and personally. (What Joe Biden did not trump)

#2 the US Senate holds Trials for Impeachment, Not the congress, all they can do is an Impeachment Inquiry.

#3 for an Impeachment Inquiry, to be legal it must be voted on and held on the house floor. (which it is not)
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"#2 the US Senate holds Trials for Impeachment, Not the congress, all they can do is an Impeachment Inquiry."

That's a good one.

Let me explain something for you:

The Congress is bicameral and is composed of two chambers - the House of Representatives and the Senate.

The House hears debate on articles of impeachment and then votes on them.

The Senates conducts a trial based on those articles and then votes on whether an officer, such as the president, should be convicted and removed.
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#1 for Quid Pro Quo to be a crime it must benefit Trump financially and personally. (What Joe Biden did not trump)

#2 the US Senate holds Trials for Impeachment, Not the congress, all they can do is an Impeachment Inquiry.

#3 for an Impeachment Inquiry, to be legal it must be voted on and held on the house floor. (which it is not)
 Quoting: Jake


"#2 the US Senate holds Trials for Impeachment, Not the congress, all they can do is an Impeachment Inquiry."

That's a good one.

Let me explain something for you:

The Congress is bicameral and is composed of two chambers - the House of Representatives and the Senate.

The House hears debate on articles of impeachment and then votes on them.

The Senates conducts a trial based on those articles and then votes on whether an officer, such as the president, should be convicted and removed.
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Together with that remedial English class, perhaps "Jake" should also consider a high school civics class as well.
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Re: NEW: Sen. Lindsey Graham does not rule out the possibility of Trump impeachment and conviction if new evidence emerges
his longtime ally Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham said

lol..Trump has no allies in DC, none not a one. His only allies are the American patriots who elected him. Sadly, even if he is re-elected, that is not going to cut it. The entire treasonous, traitorous world governments are all in sync and want each and every one of us dead the minute we speak up or cannot work.
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First of all even if there is evidence of a quit pro quo its not against the law so lindsey is full of shit.

but its more than obvious the little warmonger is threatening Trump
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The Congress decides what an impeachable offense is. That does not have to be a violation of existing law.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78098956


Uh, yes it does.

Congress doesn't get to make shit up on the fly and say "Trump farted in the meeting, that an impeachable offense".

It has to be established law (felonies or misdemeanors).

How would the Senate try a case based on something other than law? How can they try a case based on Demonrat "feelings"?

A trial is based on law.
 Quoting: Callin


“High crimes and misdemeanors” is a category found nowhere in criminal law. The framers meant something broader: a demeaning or undermining of the office. High crimes are actions that abuse the public’s trust in the president. Of course, legal crimes can also be high crimes; stealing money from the public treasury is both illegal and impeachable. But a president does not need to break the law to commit a high crime. And that does not mean "make shit up on the fly".

"How would the Senate try a case based on something other than law? "

The Senate conducts a trial for each of the articles of impeachment passed by the House. These articles are presented to the Senate by House managers.
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Not true and total bullshit, It specifically says crimes


High Crimes, which is what Joe Biden did or Misdemeanors

Which is also a crime. Your interpretation is total bullshit.

See any interview from one of our nations top experts
on constitutional law. Alan Dershowitz.


Its 100% political

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Adios Trump the orange clown... I hope you, your kids and Guliani enjoy Federal Prison flush
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Re: NEW: Sen. Lindsey Graham does not rule out the possibility of Trump impeachment and conviction if new evidence emerges
#1 for Quid Pro Quo to be a crime it must benefit Trump financially and personally. (What Joe Biden did not trump)

#2 the US Senate holds Trials for Impeachment, Not the congress, all they can do is an Impeachment Inquiry.

#3 for an Impeachment Inquiry, to be legal it must be voted on and held on the house floor. (which it is not)
 Quoting: Jake


False.

The Constitution simply says that the House has the sole power of impeachment. Ultimately, if the House wants to impeach someone, it needs to muster a simple majority in support of articles of impeachment that can be presented to the Senate. How the House gets there is entirely up to the chamber itself to determine.

There is no constitutional requirement that the House take two successful votes on impeachment, one to authorize some kind of inquiry and one to ratify whatever emerges from that inquiry. An impeachment inquiry is not “invalid” because there has been no vote to formally launch it, and any eventual impeachment would not be “invalid” because the process that led to it did not feature a floor vote authorizing a specific inquiry.

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Adios Trump the orange clown... I hope you, your kids and Guliani enjoy Federal Prison flush
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I thought you guys loved him?
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I lost my apathy.
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Re: NEW: Sen. Lindsey Graham does not rule out the possibility of Trump impeachment and conviction if new evidence emerges
#1 for Quid Pro Quo to be a crime it must benefit Trump financially and personally. (What Joe Biden did not trump)

#2 the US Senate holds Trials for Impeachment, Not the congress, all they can do is an Impeachment Inquiry.

#3 for an Impeachment Inquiry, to be legal it must be voted on and held on the house floor. (which it is not)
 Quoting: Jake


"#2 the US Senate holds Trials for Impeachment, Not the congress, all they can do is an Impeachment Inquiry."

That's a good one.

Let me explain something for you:

The Congress is bicameral and is composed of two chambers - the House of Representatives and the Senate.

The House hears debate on articles of impeachment and then votes on them.

The Senates conducts a trial based on those articles and then votes on whether an officer, such as the president, should be convicted and removed.
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Yes but the House isn't doing that... there is no Impeachment Inquiry on the house floor. It was voted down
3 times by democrats..

What adam schiff is doing in the basement is not legal..

What house rules say, there must be house rules for Impeachment, If no rules are set forth House rules Precedent take hold.

Nancy put forth no house rules for Impeachment which means

Precedent is set, Meaning she must hold an Impeachment Inquiry on the house floor. Which she isn't.

So there is no impeachment.

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Re: NEW: Sen. Lindsey Graham does not rule out the possibility of Trump impeachment and conviction if new evidence emerges
#1 for Quid Pro Quo to be a crime it must benefit Trump financially and personally. (What Joe Biden did not trump)

#2 the US Senate holds Trials for Impeachment, Not the congress, all they can do is an Impeachment Inquiry.

#3 for an Impeachment Inquiry, to be legal it must be voted on and held on the house floor. (which it is not)
 Quoting: Jake


False.

The Constitution simply says that the House has the sole power of impeachment. Ultimately, if the House wants to impeach someone, it needs to muster a simple majority in support of articles of impeachment that can be presented to the Senate. How the House gets there is entirely up to the chamber itself to determine.

There is no constitutional requirement that the House take two successful votes on impeachment, one to authorize some kind of inquiry and one to ratify whatever emerges from that inquiry. An impeachment inquiry is not “invalid” because there has been no vote to formally launch it, and any eventual impeachment would not be “invalid” because the process that led to it did not feature a floor vote authorizing a specific inquiry.

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Wrong Pelosi must set forth Impeachment Rules

which she hasn't therefore House Precedent takes hold.

And House Precedent says that a vote for impeachment Inquiry must be held and that it must be open to both sides for evidence.
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That's because he knows it's all bullshit.

jay

It's easy to play both sides of the coin when you know one side is shit.

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He was always a sleeper cell.

Can’t be a gay and not be a child predator at the same time. Then not be a blood drinking satanist also. The shit is all the same club.
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Re: NEW: Sen. Lindsey Graham does not rule out the possibility of Trump impeachment and conviction if new evidence emerges
In another sign of the dangerous predicament facing President Donald Trump, his longtime ally Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham said in an interview that aired Sunday night that he could not rule out the possibility of impeachment if new evidence emerges.

In an interview on "Axios on HBO," Jonathan Swan asked the South Carolina senator: "Are you open minded if more to comes out that you could support impeachment?"

"Sure, I mean show me something that is a crime," Graham replied. "If you could show me that, you know, Trump actually was engaging in a quid pro quo outside the phone call, that would be very disturbing."


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Well what's he supposed to say? I think he'll vote against conviction, but he has to be able to say it was based on the evidence. If a senator says now that he'll vote to acquit no matter what, that can be an argument that they should recuse themselves.

No problem.
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Re: NEW: Sen. Lindsey Graham does not rule out the possibility of Trump impeachment and conviction if new evidence emerges
#1 for Quid Pro Quo to be a crime it must benefit Trump financially and personally. (What Joe Biden did not trump)

#2 the US Senate holds Trials for Impeachment, Not the congress, all they can do is an Impeachment Inquiry.

#3 for an Impeachment Inquiry, to be legal it must be voted on and held on the house floor. (which it is not)
 Quoting: Jake


"#2 the US Senate holds Trials for Impeachment, Not the congress, all they can do is an Impeachment Inquiry."

That's a good one.

Let me explain something for you:

The Congress is bicameral and is composed of two chambers - the House of Representatives and the Senate.

The House hears debate on articles of impeachment and then votes on them.

The Senates conducts a trial based on those articles and then votes on whether an officer, such as the president, should be convicted and removed.
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Yes but the House isn't doing that... there is no Impeachment Inquiry on the house floor. It was voted down
3 times by democrats..

What adam schiff is doing in the basement is not legal..

What house rules say, there must be house rules for Impeachment, If no rules are set forth House rules Precedent take hold.

Nancy put forth no house rules for Impeachment which means

Precedent is set, Meaning she must hold an Impeachment Inquiry on the house floor. Which she isn't.

So there is no impeachment.
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Can you at least make an attempt to write in coherent and at least semi-literate English so that it is easier to understand and reply?

I give up on that word salad.
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That's because he knows it's all bullshit.

jay

It's easy to play both sides of the coin when you know one side is shit.
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Which is basically what I said, in fewer words.
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When you’re queer, all credibility is lost. Being gay is a diagnosable perversion and mental sickness no different than schizophrenia or down syndrome. The deformation can be seen in the brain during autopsy.
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Re: NEW: Sen. Lindsey Graham does not rule out the possibility of Trump impeachment and conviction if new evidence emerges
#1 for Quid Pro Quo to be a crime it must benefit Trump financially and personally. (What Joe Biden did not trump)

#2 the US Senate holds Trials for Impeachment, Not the congress, all they can do is an Impeachment Inquiry.

#3 for an Impeachment Inquiry, to be legal it must be voted on and held on the house floor. (which it is not)
 Quoting: Jake


"#2 the US Senate holds Trials for Impeachment, Not the congress, all they can do is an Impeachment Inquiry."

That's a good one.

Let me explain something for you:

The Congress is bicameral and is composed of two chambers - the House of Representatives and the Senate.

The House hears debate on articles of impeachment and then votes on them.

The Senates conducts a trial based on those articles and then votes on whether an officer, such as the president, should be convicted and removed.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77986312



Yes but the House isn't doing that... there is no Impeachment Inquiry on the house floor. It was voted down
3 times by democrats..

What adam schiff is doing in the basement is not legal..

What house rules say, there must be house rules for Impeachment, If no rules are set forth House rules Precedent take hold.

Nancy put forth no house rules for Impeachment which means

Precedent is set, Meaning she must hold an Impeachment Inquiry on the house floor. Which she isn't.

So there is no impeachment.
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Can you at least make an attempt to write in coherent and at least semi-literate English so that it is easier to understand and reply?

I give up on that word salad.
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Shut up bernie tard, there is no impeachment

another giant nothingburger.

And you better stop interfering in our elections before you end getting tried for treason and end up hung.

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Re: NEW: Sen. Lindsey Graham does not rule out the possibility of Trump impeachment and conviction if new evidence emerges
In another sign of the dangerous predicament facing President Donald Trump, his longtime ally Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham said in an interview that aired Sunday night that he could not rule out the possibility of impeachment if new evidence emerges.

In an interview on "Axios on HBO," Jonathan Swan asked the South Carolina senator: "Are you open minded if more to comes out that you could support impeachment?"

"Sure, I mean show me something that is a crime," Graham replied. "If you could show me that, you know, Trump actually was engaging in a quid pro quo outside the phone call, that would be very disturbing."


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Well what's he supposed to say? I think he'll vote against conviction, but he has to be able to say it was based on the evidence. If a senator says now that he'll vote to acquit no matter what, that can be an argument that they should recuse themselves.

No problem.
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I agree. As an analogy, if during jury selection a potential juror says "I will not vote to convict s person if capital punishment is possible", that juror would be rejected if the trial was for a capital offense.
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Senator Graham is walking the tightrope.
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Re: NEW: Sen. Lindsey Graham does not rule out the possibility of Trump impeachment and conviction if new evidence emerges
#1 for Quid Pro Quo to be a crime it must benefit Trump financially and personally. (What Joe Biden did not trump)

#2 the US Senate holds Trials for Impeachment, Not the congress, all they can do is an Impeachment Inquiry.

#3 for an Impeachment Inquiry, to be legal it must be voted on and held on the house floor. (which it is not)
 Quoting: Jake


False.

The Constitution simply says that the House has the sole power of impeachment. Ultimately, if the House wants to impeach someone, it needs to muster a simple majority in support of articles of impeachment that can be presented to the Senate. How the House gets there is entirely up to the chamber itself to determine.

There is no constitutional requirement that the House take two successful votes on impeachment, one to authorize some kind of inquiry and one to ratify whatever emerges from that inquiry. An impeachment inquiry is not “invalid” because there has been no vote to formally launch it, and any eventual impeachment would not be “invalid” because the process that led to it did not feature a floor vote authorizing a specific inquiry.

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Wrong Pelosi must set forth Impeachment Rules

which she hasn't therefore House Precedent takes hold.

And House Precedent says that a vote for impeachment Inquiry must be held and that it must be open to both sides for evidence.
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If there are no rules, you can do whatever you want.

I don't know that much about the House, I enjoy watching the Senate more. And they have rules for everything. When Mitch wanted to get rid of the filibuster for SCOTUS nominees, there was a sequence of something like 20 steps he had to do, and he did them in rapid order, but everything formal. Sometimes he says what sounds like a whole string of gobbledygook, but it's the way you do stuff under Senate rules.





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