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The Middle East

 
Anonymous Coward
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11/08/2019 09:12 AM
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Leave it and turn it into a glass parking place.........
Builder of the Adytum  (OP)

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11/08/2019 09:24 AM

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Leave it and turn it into a glass parking place.........
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78146914


Well, that's an option.

Certainly wouldn't want to stay there after it is irradiated.
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11/08/2019 09:31 AM
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Every place, religion and people goes thru it's growth phases.

Take the civil wars within the US, the abolishment movement etc.

Every religion - from Christianity ceasing stoning "sinners", buddhism theocratic nature, or the current extremist take on the Muslim religion adopted by some within the sect.

Going to war with the countries there has backfired both for your country, and those involved in numerous ways - Iraqs corruption within its government being an example, or the continued resistance you face in Afghanistan. You're not their liberating the people like you were with France in ww2.

Your own country has enough internal issues you need to face (as does most of the world). I shouldn't need to list them, you're an informed bunch.

Remove the beam from your own eye before seeking the splinter in your neighbors.
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11/08/2019 09:36 AM

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Every place, religion and people goes thru it's growth phases.

Take the civil wars within the US, the abolishment movement etc.

Every religion - from Christianity ceasing stoning "sinners", buddhism theocratic nature, or the current extremist take on the Muslim religion adopted by some within the sect.

Going to war with the countries there has backfired both for your country, and those involved in numerous ways - Iraqs corruption within its government being an example, or the continued resistance you face in Afghanistan. You're not their liberating the people like you were with France in ww2.

Your own country has enough internal issues you need to face (as does most of the world). I shouldn't need to list them, you're an informed bunch.

Remove the beam from your own eye before seeking the splinter in your neighbors.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76102887


Again, that makes more sense to me than Imperialism 2.0 -- going and staying to "take the oil".
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11/08/2019 09:53 AM

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RE. Foreign Policy


From Washington's Farewell Address:

Observe good faith and justice toward all nations. Cultivate peace and harmony with all. Religion and morality enjoin this conduct. And can it be that good policy does not equally enjoin it? It will be worthy of a free, enlightened, and at no distant period a great nation to give to mankind the magnanimous and too novel example of a people always guided by an exalted justice and benevolence. Who can doubt that in the course of time and things the fruits of such a plan would richly repay any temporary advantages which might be lost by a steady adherence to it? Can it be that Providence has not connected the permanent felicity of a nation with its virtue? The experiment, at least, is recommended by every sentiment which ennobles human nature. Alas! is it rendered impossible by its vices?

In the execution of such a plan nothing is more essential than that permanent, inveterate antipathies against particular nations and passionate attachments for others should be excluded, and that in place of them just and amicable feelings toward all should be cultivated. The nation which indulges toward another an habitual hatred or an habitual fondness is in some degree a slave. It is a slave to its animosity or to its affection, either of which is sufficient to lead it astray from its duty and its interest. Antipathy in one nation against another disposes each more readily to offer insult and injury, to lay hold of slight causes of umbrage, and to be haughty and intractable when accidental or trifling occasions of dispute occur.

Hence frequent collisions, obstinate, envenomed, and bloody contests. The nation prompted by ill will and resentment sometimes impels to war the government contrary to the best calculations of policy. The government sometimes participates in the national propensity, and adopts through passion what reason would reject. At other times it makes the animosity of the nation subservient to projects of hostility, instigated by pride, ambition, and other sinister and pernicious motives. The peace often, sometimes perhaps the liberty, of nations has been the victim.

So, likewise, a passionate attachment of one nation for another produces a variety of evils. Sympathy for the favorite nation, facilitating the illusion of an imaginary common interest in cases where no real common interest exists, and infusing into one the enmities of the other, betrays the former into a participation in the quarrels and wars of the latter without adequate inducement or justification. It leads also to concessions to the favorite nation of privileges denied to others, which is apt doubly to injure the nation making the concessions by unnecessarily parting with what ought to have been retained, and by exciting jealousy, ill will, and a disposition to retaliate in the parties from whom equal privileges are withheld; and it gives to ambitions, corrupted, or deluded citizens (who devote themselves to the favorite nation) facility to betray or sacrifice the interests of their own country without odium, sometimes even with popularity, gilding with the appearances of a virtuous sense of obligation, a commendable deference for public opinion, or a laudable zeal for public good the base or foolish compliances of ambition, corruption, or infatuation.

As avenues to foreign influence in innumerable ways, such attachments are particularly alarming to the truly enlightened and independent patriot. How many opportunities do they afford to tamper with domestic factions, to practice the arts of seduction, to mislead public opinion, to influence or awe the public councils! Such an attachment of a small or weak toward a great and powerful nation dooms the former to be the satellite of the latter. Against the insidious wiles of foreign influence ( I conjure you to believe me, fellow-citizens) the jealousy of a free people ought to be constantly awake, since history and experience prove that foreign influence is one of the most baneful foes of republican government. But that jealousy, to be useful, must be impartial, else it becomes the instrument of the very influence to be avoided, instead of a defense against it. Excessive partiality for one foreign nation and excessive dislike of another cause those whom they actuate to see danger only on one side, and serve to veil and even second the arts of influence on the other. Real patriots who may resist the intrigues of the favorite are liable to become suspected and odious, while its tools and dupes usurp the applause and confidence of the people to surrender their interests.

The great rule of conduct for us in regard to foreign nations is, in extending our commercial relations to have with them as little political connection as possible. So far as we have already formed engagements let them be fulfilled with perfect good faith. Here let us stop.

Europe has a set of primary interests which to us have none or a very remote relation. Hence she must be engaged in frequent controversies, the causes of which are essentially foreign to our concerns. Hence, therefore, it must be unwise in us to implicate ourselves by artificial ties in the ordinary vicissitudes of her politics or the ordinary combinations and collisions of her friendships or enmities.

Our detached and distant situation invites and enables us to pursue a different course. If we remain one people, under an efficient government, the period is not far off when we may defy material injury from external annoyance; when we may take such an attitude as will cause the neutrality we may at any time resolve upon to be scrupulously respected; when belligerent nations, under the impossibility of making acquisitions upon us, will not lightly hazard the giving us provocation; when we may choose peace or war, as our interest, guided by justice, shall counsel.

Why forego the advantages of so peculiar a situation? Why quit our own to stand upon foreign ground? Why, by interweaving our destiny with that of any part of Europe, entangle our peace and prosperity in the toils of European ambition, rivalship, interest, humor, or caprice?

It is our true policy to steer clear of permanent alliances with any portion of the foreign world, so far, I mean, as we are now at liberty to do it; for let me not be understood as capable of patronizing infidelity to existing engagements. I hold the maxim no less applicable to public than to private affairs that honesty is always. the best policy. I repeat, therefore, let those engagements be unwise to extend them.

Taking care always to keep ourselves by suitable establishments on a respectable defensive posture, we may safely trust to temporary alliances for extraordinary emergencies.

Harmony, liberal intercourse with all nations are recommended by policy, humanity, and interest. But even our commercial policy should hold an equal and impartial hand, neither seeking nor granting exclusive favors or preferences; consulting the natural course of things; diffusing and diversifying by gentle means the streams of commerce, but forcing nothing; establishing with powers so disposed, in order to give trade a stable course, to define the rights of our merchants, and to enable the Government to support them, conventional rules of intercourse, the best that present circumstances and mutual opinion will permit, but temporary and liable to be from time to time abandoned or varied as experience and circumstances shall dictate; constantly keeping in view that it is folly in one nation to look for disinterested favors from another; that it must pay with a portion of its independence for whatever it may accept under that character; that by such acceptance it may place itself in the condition of having given equivalents for nominal favors, and yet of being reproached with ingratitude for not giving more. There can be no greater error than to expect or calculate upon real favors from nation to nation. It is an illusion which experience must cure, which a just pride ought to discard.
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11/08/2019 10:09 AM
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What to do?


GLP, you make the call.

damned
 Quoting: Builder of the Adytum


I voted Other. I need more details of what is actually going on. There is more than we actually know.

Believe nothing you see and half of what you hear.

hf
Sungaze_At_Dawn

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11/08/2019 10:40 AM

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The UN should not have any communistic, fascist, theocracy country as a member as slavery and slave states are massively illegal. Only free nations, so no Saudi, no China, should ever be on the UN.

And then the world, without bombs, without depleted uranium weaponry, but as a team, the free world, should have removed all those governments from the planet and established free nations with constitutions in their place, by ground troops bringing all citizens to one side and getting rid of the corrupt leaders.

Use space age hidden tech if necessary.


So not quite number 1 as that implies the US does it.


but similar to nu. 1. But from a UN that is only free legal states.


BUT, the only problem is, the US/UK coalition of deep state is not spreading democracy and peace, they're fanning up Sunni Isis type shit everywhere they go.

They are following the blueprint from WW2 to send the world back to the dark ages so they can own everything and control serfs easily, which all started with Hitler falling in love with a freaky minority group under Banna, and fanning that up into their future plans.



So under todays situation, with the current UN, you'd have to leave the Middle East and only help when any government there asks you, and not walk on them or support Isis behind their backs.

So if Syria says, yes you can help us too like Russia does, then that would be an option.

When asked for help.

Last Edited by Sungaze_At_Dawn on 11/08/2019 10:42 AM
Builder of the Adytum  (OP)

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11/08/2019 10:45 AM

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The UN should not have any communistic, fascist, theocracy country as a member as slavery and slave states are massively illegal. Only free nations, so no Saudi, no China, should ever be on the UN.

And then the world, without bombs, without depleted uranium weaponry, but as a team, the free world, should have removed all those governments from the planet and established free nations with constitutions in their place, by ground troops bringing all citizens to one side and getting rid of the corrupt leaders.

Use space age hidden tech if necessary.


So not quite number 1 as that implies the US does it.


but similar to nu. 1. But from a UN that is only free legal states.


BUT, the only problem is, the US/UK coalition of deep state is not spreading democracy and peace, they're fanning up Sunni Isis type shit everywhere they go.

They are following the blueprint from WW2 to send the world back to the dark ages so they can own everything and control serfs easily, which all started with Hitler falling in love with a freaky minority group under Banna, and fanning that up into their future plans.



So under todays situation, with the current UN, you'd have to leave the Middle East and only help when any government there asks you, and not walk on them or support Isis behind their backs.

So if Syria says, yes you can help us too like Russia does, then that would be an option.

When asked for help.
 Quoting: Sungaze_At_Dawn


I think we're pretty much on the same page.


By the way, neither Syria nor Iraq wants us for what it's worth.
Builder of the Adytum  (OP)

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11/08/2019 01:19 PM

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Re: The Middle East
52% Get out and stay the fuck out.





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