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In the 70s we had DISCIPLINE in schools. What happened?

 
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Manipulation has become the more socially acceptable method of indoctrination I guess.
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It was almost military-like. Standing up when a superior (teacher) walkedä in. Greetings (e.g. "Good morning, teacher!") were mandatory and the entire class would say it in unison. You always asked for a permission to speak. You did not leave the class until you were dismissed by the teacher.

You were punished if you forgot books or hadn't done your homework. Your mouth was washed with soap (really) if you cursed.

Back then nobody had ADHD or exhibited chronic bad behavior.

Most important of all, the parents didn't make excuses for their kids or tried to get special rules for their "special kid". Everybody was treated the same.

If you got good grades or the teacher commended you, you KNEW you had done a good job. No participation trophies back then.
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Planned destruction of family and society.
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In my school, "discipline" became a sport for the faculty, child abuse. They kept score and awarded each other. All the while making life miserable for the abused kids, once in high school the dropout rate soared. Of course the Vietnam war wsn't helping. You don't have to be educated to catch bullets.
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Teachers and principals are LAZY.

They don't have detention anymore. They don't want to stay late!
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What ever happened to child labor. Life was better back then.
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Yeah, I remember:

8th grade - One young lady was whispering in class to a friend. It was enough for our crippled old art teacher to "bitch slap" her hard enough to be heard in the next classroom.

HS - One young man was disrupting our drafting class by his constant talking. Teacher was explaining a drawing procedure walking up and down the rows of drafting tables. He came up behind the kid, took the palm of his hand behind the head of this kid, and "Wham"...Hard against the table! After a moment, this kid sat up, with his eyes jerking side to side. Put a good size knot on his forehead. Oh! He never disrupted the class again. And the teacher? He got away with it.

DISCIPLINE!

Yup! Good days! Good days!
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And a lot of parents don't give a shit.. when I was growing up if you got into trouble in school.. your parents were told and you got in trouble at home too.
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We are not allowed to kick students out of school anymore. Each student has a dollar sign on their head rather than funding the schools by children in an attendance area. The schools now only get paid per pupil, per day each child is in school.

Also since 1975, special education has exploded. Sort of corresponds to the rise of vaccinations. We no langer sends students to special schools for their disabilities, instead, every child is entitled to go to their nearest home campus.
Having special ed children is not so much the problem as good special education programs tend to raise scores of lower-achieving students that don't qualify for special education.

The problem is funding these programs. It is very costly. It means every child in school is very important to run the school as creative financing is used to displace money to support student services.

So bad behavior is tolerated, and teachers are trained and condition that they are totally responsible for what happens in the classroom. one bad apple can spoil a barrel and make it hard for a teacher to teach and govern a class. the bad behavior does rub off on other kids and they push as much as they can to see what they can get away with.

At the same time, the administrators really don't want to be bothered with disciplinary actions. There needs to be a clear and consistent paper trail and interventions. Getting teachers trained and motivated to follow those procedures is nearly impossible with classrooms full of children feeding on one another's behavior. Because the teacher needs to divert their attention to document, document, document.

After all that documentation, meeting meetings, meetings. More documentation, before the child is diagnosed and placed in a behavior intervention class. Then the student only to return to the regular classroom after a short period of time to deal with specific behaviors that always return. In the meantime, everyone else in the regular learning environment has been poisoned and new norms persist.

Administrators are terrified by law suites and also don't want to lose their cushy positions. Working back in the classroom is a slap in the face and something no one with experience and training in school administration wants.

So, are system is all about enchanting and entertaining children trying to coax them into wanting to learn. If the children are not enchanted, then a teacher is not teaching. Teachers have hardly any budget and little creativity with highly scripted, goofy, material and no help to put together a high production quality learning environment in which children will not get bored. Never mind because of technology that students now have the average attention span of 3 seconds before they turn off and seek more stimulation. So teachers do their best to cover material quickly and revisit it learned well or not.

It is also increasingly rare for parents to take the teacher's side as well. It is all about what did you do or not do as a teacher to upset their child. And, admin backs the parents, instead of doing their job and advocating for the teachers. So teachers, tend to pass students along not making anyways waves in choosing not to discipline students. It will all come back to bite them as ineffective teachers anyways if they raise a stink or have high standards. Admin does not want to deal with it either. Neither do the parents or the students. So teachers have become little more than glorified babysitters. They try to save the ones they can and placate survive the rest. Picking your students is not an option.
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Everything has been made political, politics(division) has been injected into all things.....5aburnit
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Multiple things happened.

Discipline is now considered abuse. Spanking a child is considered abuse. It used to be that parents and teachers kept children under control. Now children control teachers and parents.

Equality. Equality has been taken beyond fair. Now Equality means that children can talk to parents and adults the way parents talk to children. Again, this goes back to discipline because parents speak to children in a calm sweet voice when their child is bad...oops parents aren't allowed to call a child bad....forgot.

The list could go on forever.
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What happened? The invasion, that's what.
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back then parents were parents .. not besties
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Kids today say they are worried of the world ending in years from the environment ..... we were worrying about the world ending in 30 minutes from a Soviet attack.
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Oh ya Duck and Cover drills in my early school years! We had to dive under our desk and roll into a ball hands on head! WTF good was this when everything gets vaporized? It was a feel good along with fallout shelters.
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They told the little bastards that they had "rights". Once they figured out that they could get away with anything simply by calling Childrens Services and claiming that they were "molestered" it was all over.
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I went to school in the 80s and I think the kids in my kid's school are much better behaved than we were. We were a bunch of assholes and these kids are kind and look out for each other.

I never understood using violence to discipline a child only to tell him once he turns 18 he cannot employ these same tactics towards others or he will go to jail. It made us a bunch of hateful shits.
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Your kids are in a good school because trust me they are not all like that. My niece was bullied to hell and back and the schools didn't do shit. So I think it depends on the area the school and the kids that go there
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It was almost military-like. Standing up when a superior (teacher) walkedä in. Greetings (e.g. "Good morning, teacher!") were mandatory and the entire class would say it in unison. You always asked for a permission to speak. You did not leave the class until you were dismissed by the teacher.

You were punished if you forgot books or hadn't done your homework. Your mouth was washed with soap (really) if you cursed.

Back then nobody had ADHD or exhibited chronic bad behavior.

Most important of all, the parents didn't make excuses for their kids or tried to get special rules for their "special kid". Everybody was treated the same.

If you got good grades or the teacher commended you, you KNEW you had done a good job. No participation trophies back then.
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Jimmy Carter got involved, that's what happened. The Dept of Education was formed under Carter and public education has not been the same since.

States had control over the schools prior to Carter. Since Carter, the Feds gained control.
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Rules for Radicals by Saul Alinsky outlined a plan which undermined our democracy and set our country up for totalitarian control. Hillary's dissertation was all about Saul Alinsky. Looking back we can see what has been developing.
Pitting one race against another.
Causing discomfort in society
Teachers unions covering up for bad teachers and giving legal protection so they won't get fired.
Rise of social justice warriors.
Use of indoctrination until people believe what the "leaders" want them to believe.
Rewarding lefty professors while driving conservative professors out of the universities.
Creating the comprehensive welfare system to cause people to rely on the government rather on hard work.
Dumbing down our children which makes the public easier to control.
Limiting discipline by teachers and limiting law enforcement.
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tell us another story about the olden days grandpa
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Ok.

Back then we could play outside all day long and completely unsupervised by adults. We were polite to adults and behave well, or our parents would hear about it and there would be hell to pay.
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Yes! All the Moms in the neighborhood knew who each other were, and whose kids belonged to whom. If you misbehaved, not only would the other Moms call you on it, they'd call YOUR Mom and let her know what you did and how they handled it.

The same with teachers. My folks NEVER took MY side, and any misbehavior in school resulted in a weekend from Hell full of pulling weeds and other onerous chores, no TV, and no talking to friends on the phone.
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It was almost military-like. Standing up when a superior (teacher) walkedä in. Greetings (e.g. "Good morning, teacher!") were mandatory and the entire class would say it in unison. You always asked for a permission to speak. You did not leave the class until you were dismissed by the teacher.

You were punished if you forgot books or hadn't done your homework. Your mouth was washed with soap (really) if you cursed.

Back then nobody had ADHD or exhibited chronic bad behavior.

Most important of all, the parents didn't make excuses for their kids or tried to get special rules for their "special kid". Everybody was treated the same.

If you got good grades or the teacher commended you, you KNEW you had done a good job. No participation trophies back then.
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I was 6 years old in 1970. Best I can tell, I was one to the first kids drugged with high doses of Ritalin. I was supposed to take 1 pill a day, but once my teachers (and adults in general) realized they could shut me off with those pills, I was fed that pill 2, 3 and 4 times a day!

The foundation for our current social demise was laid in the late '50's and '60's! Most don't think of the '50's as a time of rebellion, but it was, "James Dean", the concept of "cool", sexual promiscuity was ramped up etc. Then "They" began to blatently kill our social order back in early '70's! By the '80's we moved into a full blown "feelings matter more than facts" paradigm! They also expertly manipulated society with self-worship...greed, consumerism...and we lapped it up like a dog!
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tell us another story about the olden days grandpa
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If you wanted to go somewhere, anywhere, you could just stand at the side of the road and someone would pick you up and 8f you were broke and they weren't they'd likely buy you something to eat. Cops would often pick you up and carry you as far as they were patrolling and sometimes even ask the next jurisdiction to give you a ride and if it was cold they'd let you sit on their patrol car or even sleep at the station. And if you were armed no one cared unlike the brainwashed generations of today.
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Students grow into adults and so it makes perfect sense for there to be rightful respect of your teachers only if they treat their students properly and are good teachers, bad teachers don't deserve any respect at all, bad teachers are worthless wastes of space.

Teachers should only be respective if the teachers respect their students as human beings, so its rightful for the students and the teacher to respect all of each other equally because that is equally and it makes everything work out nicely

Washing people's mouths with soap..... is that if they curse totally wrongfully or if they curse with a right to curse at someone because that someone is a bad person who actually deserves to be cursed at? hmmmmmmm, with that wash your mouth with soap comment you sound like an abusive asshole, go wash your ass with soap its GROSSLY DISGUSTING LOL

I've never come across anyone who went to a school where they put soap in the mouths of students that just sounds really crazy, there are definitely much better ways to punish someone for cursing like explaining what a lousy piece of trash they are(without using the exact word trash unless they were curing VERY horribly) for cursing at people because that really makes them see themselves for what they are and that teaches them the best to not wrongfully curse at people, but with you being extremely retarded you are not able to think of that!
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This happened SMH
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My school didn't do this but my parents sure did! I can still remember the taste of that Fels-Naphtha soap!

In school, if you misbehaved in class, you had to come up to the front of the class and the teacher would smack your palms with a ruler. If you didn't say "Thank you Sister" she'd do it again.
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Integration
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Er, ah, um, racial/ethnic matters don't have anything to do with parents taking their young kids to the local library so they can be read books by flaming transvestites, one of whom apparently flashed kids not too long ago.

If it were merely a matter of demographics, the nation wouldn't be so thoroughly screwed up.

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The foundation for our current social demise was laid in the late '50's and '60's! Most don't think of the '50's as a time of rebellion, but it was, "James Dean", the concept of "cool", sexual promiscuity was ramped up etc. Then "They" began to blatently kill our social order back in early '70's! By the '80's we moved into a full blown "feelings matter more than facts" paradigm! They also expertly manipulated society with self-worship...greed, consumerism...and we lapped it up like a dog!
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True.

All made worse because too many people idiotically have a soft spot in their heart for liberals and "progressivism."

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It was almost military-like. Standing up when a superior (teacher) walkedä in. Greetings (e.g. "Good morning, teacher!") were mandatory and the entire class would say it in unison. You always asked for a permission to speak. You did not leave the class until you were dismissed by the teacher.

You were punished if you forgot books or hadn't done your homework. Your mouth was washed with soap (really) if you cursed.

Back then nobody had ADHD or exhibited chronic bad behavior.

Most important of all, the parents didn't make excuses for their kids or tried to get special rules for their "special kid". Everybody was treated the same.

If you got good grades or the teacher commended you, you KNEW you had done a good job. No participation trophies back then.
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That’s when we had morals and ethics and God in our lives.
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What ever happened to child labor. Life was better back then.
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Life was not better under child labor. It was brutal as many children died working their young lives away and dropped dead early, just for a meal.

True at the same time. It use to be legal for children to drop out at 16 years old. They could work late too and many even had jobs at age 13 years old. Drop out rates were high, but even people without a HS diploma could make a fair living and raise a family. Drugs were not as prevalent back then either and there was less uncontrolled immigration, further driving down low wage income-earning jobs.

There is too much emphasis that everyone needs to go to college. As well as not enough emphasis on vocational skills that most people once possessed and was and is looked down up onto this day.

Before the 1960s though most professions were respected no matter how low paying they were. Now they are not, thanks to the lefties/ communist in the media telling people what their worth is in society.
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Students grow into adults and so it makes perfect sense for there to be rightful respect of your teachers only if they treat their students properly and are good teachers, bad teachers don't deserve any respect at all, bad teachers are worthless wastes of space.

Teachers should only be respective if the teachers respect their students as human beings, so its rightful for the students and the teacher to respect all of each other equally because that is equally and it makes everything work out nicely

Washing people's mouths with soap..... is that if they curse totally wrongfully or if they curse with a right to curse at someone because that someone is a bad person who actually deserves to be cursed at? hmmmmmmm, with that wash your mouth with soap comment you sound like an abusive asshole, go wash your ass with soap its GROSSLY DISGUSTING LOL

I've never come across anyone who went to a school where they put soap in the mouths of students that just sounds really crazy, there are definitely much better ways to punish someone for cursing like explaining what a lousy piece of trash they are(without using the exact word trash unless they were curing VERY horribly) for cursing at people because that really makes them see themselves for what they are and that teaches them the best to not wrongfully curse at people, but with you being extremely retarded you are not able to think of that!
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LOL! Stay in Canada in your bubble. Teachers don't give students respect and therefore deserve to be labeled bad teachers.. are you serious? What BS. Teacher bend over backwards to help students but there is only so much a person can do. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make them drink. They are reduced to trying to save who they can with the perception that they are still challenging and inspiring all students to learn.

If you don't believe go try being a teacher in one of America's fine schools near or in a city. Teachers are the scapegoat for societies ills.
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There is too much emphasis that everyone needs to go to college. As well as not enough emphasis on vocational skills that most people once possessed and was and is looked down up onto this day.

Before the 1960s though most professions were respected no matter how low paying they were. Now they are not, thanks to the lefties/ communist in the media telling people what their worth is in society.
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I admired the part of the President's State of the Union speech two years ago where he described a classmate of his who was bad at book work but good with his hands. President Trump described the guy as a whiz with motors and said such people are the reason vocational training needs to be emphasized.

I'm sure that point didn't go over well with all the snotty, snobby "lefties" into the limousine-liberalism of snotty colleges, with their champagne-socialist tuition fees as the prize to grab.

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Wear school uniforms.
Raise your hand to speak.
Two genders.
Ask for permission to go to the lavatory.
Reading, writing and arithmetic.
Grades that actually reflected ones ability.
Manners and respect or else face the consequences.
And the list goes on.
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Class of 67 here. We must have gone to the same, or at least similar, schools!

And when the school day was over, there were chores and homework to be done, after supper the dishes to be washed, dried, and put away. 8:30 or 9:00 pm bedtime, and up at 6:30 am, none of that laying in bed crap or Mom having to wake you up 5 or 6 times.
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We went from a Christian society to a Jay-dominated/cultural Marxist society.

This is an old story. Here's what Jays were up to 100 years ago.

In 1919, Georg Lukacs became Deputy Commissar for Culture in the short-lived Bolshevik Bela Kun regime in Hungary. He immediately set plans in motion to de-Christianize Hungary. Reasoning that if Christian sexual ethics could be undermined among children, then both the hated patriarchal family and the Church would be dealt a crippling blow. Lukacs launched a radical sex education program in the schools. Sex lectures were organized and literature handed out which graphically instructed youth in free love (promiscuity) and sexual intercourse while simultaneously encouraging them to deride and reject Christian moral ethics, monogamy, and parental and church authority. All of this was accompanied by a reign of cultural terror perpetrated against parents, priests, and dissenters.

Hungary's youth, having been fed a steady diet of values-neutral (atheism) and radical sex education while simultaneously encouraged to rebel against all authority, easily turned into delinquents ranging from bullies and petty thieves to sex predators, murderers, and sociopaths.

Gramsci's prescription and Lukacs' plans were the precursor to what Cultural Marxism in the guise of SIECUS, GSLEN, and the ACLU--acting as judicially-powered enforcers--later brought into American schools.


Source: [link to www.americanthinker.com (secure)]

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Children today have no fear or respect, and don't care about the repercussions of their actions.

You can blame today's parents and the moral decay of society from the newer generation.
It has become the ME generation and I want it now and I dont care how I get it!

And the lack of people in law enforcement enforcing the law for fear of their jobs...because of the newer generation that is lawsuit happy, just to make a buck!

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