| Users Online Now: 1,758 (Who's On?) | Visitors Today: 683,294 | |
| Pageviews Today: 881,652 | Threads Today: 229 | Posts Today: 3,006 |
| 07:40 AM | ||
| Users Online Now: 1,758 (Who's On?) | Visitors Today: 683,294 | |
| Pageviews Today: 881,652 | Threads Today: 229 | Posts Today: 3,006 |
| 07:40 AM | ||
Does Jesus want me to follow the laws of the Old Testament? Yes or no? | |
Achduke7  User ID: 78023456  United States11/09/2019 09:25 AM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 76626437 United States11/09/2019 09:25 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The bible was written by men, edited by men. It's not God's holy anything and was not inspired by God at all. It was compiled from word-of-mouth stories which came hundreds of years after Christ was gone. The old testament is the Torah, Jewish books and Jewish law talking about a brutal son-of-a-bitch Jewish god, who, btw, wasn't a "god" at all but an ET from a planet called Jehovah, Jehovah's Witnesses, get it? Quoting: WhiteFly The real God would never have a "chosen people". He plays no favorites. Neither would he ever order or demand genocides, wars and bloodshed and live sacrifices to appease him. You can't appease God. He doesn't have an ego that can played too. He loves all equally and without reservation which is something man doesn't do. In short, he doesn't take sides but there are sides and we must choose which side we're on...Light or Dark. If you want to adhere to the bible, as misguiding as it is, to still serve God, then toss the OT, toss it's murderous grossness. The New Testament contains much more of Jesus' message of love, brotherhood and the Kingdom of God. But be careful there too as much has been added and ommitted by men with an agenda for religious control instead of spiritual truth and liberation. And speaking of spiritual liberation...Jesus did not die for your sins. He was just executed by the Pharisees (pretending to be J ews today) because his message of love, brotherhood and the truth of the Kingdom of God was a threat to the religious doctrine of the day (as it still is today. They would crucify him again if they could. That is in fact what easter is really about. Repeated crucifixion every year). Christ did not, and cannot, take responsibility for free will actions and choices of people that wasn't born yet or wouldn't be born for hundreds and thousands of years afterwards and into eternity as the belief goes. That's just a ridiculous notion. None are responsible for another's free will actions, only their own, and it's no different for God and Jesus. You are not absolved from the affects of your actions and choices. You are responsible for them and will have to account for them and never will it be different. This idea is actually a variation on the idea of Yom Kippur where atonement by one for sins absolves you from responsibility for all future sins. A ridiculous idea. See - [link to www.hebcal.com (secure)] and make the comparison. In fact, if you want more truth than your bible could ever give you (even if it had to be compromised as well to please the Jewish world masters) the read the sections on Jesus' life in the Urantia book. You'll get much more there than you could imagine and really get to know the real Jesus and the real truth of the Kingdom of God. Having been a serious seeker of truth all my life today I got the message that I am on the wrong path. And after an unsastisfactory duck go duck search i happened upon this on glp. Going to watch now. I have a feeling I owe you gratitude. Once you understand that just because some NONCHRISTIAN man put the two bibles together between one cover for his own benefit, and that they are not complementary and are in fact contrary, everything you see around you starts to fall naturally into place, as would be fit with any true gods plan. Its no exaggeration that the biggest conspiracy on the planet and the source of all the wars and rumors of wars is the conspiracy to bind a book of hate and devilry as the book that controls the method and people who truly would follow the teachings of jesus. Why else do those who follow the old, hold such undying contempt for the new, if they are complementary and not opposite? They have fooled you into perverting CHRISTS teachings by forcing them to obey the exact insincere and perverse laws that the NT wished to cleanse in the first place. |
| TheLordsServant User ID: 70367103 United States11/09/2019 09:27 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Keep your ramblings of myth and lengend to yourself at least in debating real things, I do not buy any of your tribal entitlement mythology of believe in your old book of lies. YOUR unprovable claims do NOT bind me to them, for they left no objective track in the desert sands and are no measure or legitimate claim for anything. Myth and legend? God isn't real? Multi-MILLIONS of folks would beg to differ with your claim. Thread: Have you ever witnessed a Miracle? I have, more than once. Post it here, if so. I'll start... Thread: Testimonies of Miracles Angels etc...proof of God / Yahuah & Son Jesus / Yeshua God...the Father..exists, as does His Son Yeshua. The Bible covers 4000+ years of their interaction with mankind. NOTHING you say will change these facts. In reality, there is not one single shred of evidence OF ANY KIND that actually DISPROVES any of the vast majority of events in the Bible. Dozens of people AND hundreds of places mentioned in the Bible have been proven to exist. Here's a 191 page free PDF of Biblical Archaeological finds. [link to www.israelite.net] Evidence for the Exodus and Sodom & Gomorrah Thread: Updated - New Videos / Evidence of the Biblical Exodus in Saudi Arabia - Hebrews / Mt Sinai More Thread: Sodom Gomorrah Admah - Video & Photographic Evidence of Biblical Destruction Brimstone I am a humble Servant of the one True Living God. |
| HIS FB User ID: 78151946  Germany11/09/2019 09:27 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| TheLordsServant User ID: 70367103 United States11/09/2019 09:29 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Once you understand that just because some NONCHRISTIAN man put the two bibles together between one cover for his own benefit, and that they are not complementary and are in fact contrary, everything you see around you starts to fall naturally into place, as would be fit with any true gods plan. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76626437 Its no exaggeration that the biggest conspiracy on the planet and the source of all the wars and rumors of wars is the conspiracy to bind a book of hate and devilry as the book that controls the method and people who truly would follow the teachings of jesus. Why else do those who follow the old, hold such undying contempt for the new, if they are complementary and not opposite? They have fooled you into perverting CHRISTS teachings by forcing them to obey the exact insincere and perverse laws that the NT wished to cleanse in the first place. "Put the 2 bibles together"?  God...the Father..exists, as does His Son Yeshua. The Bible covers 4000+ years of their interaction with mankind. NOTHING you say will change these facts. Last Edited by Servant-of-the-LORD on 11/09/2019 09:31 AM I am a humble Servant of the one True Living God. |
| Achduke7 User ID: 78023456 United States11/09/2019 09:30 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The bible was written by men, edited by men. It's not God's holy anything and was not inspired by God at all. It was compiled from word-of-mouth stories which came hundreds of years after Christ was gone. The old testament is the Torah, Jewish books and Jewish law talking about a brutal son-of-a-bitch Jewish god, who, btw, wasn't a "god" at all but an ET from a planet called Jehovah, Jehovah's Witnesses, get it? Quoting: WhiteFly The real God would never have a "chosen people". He plays no favorites. Neither would he ever order or demand genocides, wars and bloodshed and live sacrifices to appease him. You can't appease God. He doesn't have an ego that can played too. He loves all equally and without reservation which is something man doesn't do. In short, he doesn't take sides but there are sides and we must choose which side we're on...Light or Dark. If you want to adhere to the bible, as misguiding as it is, to still serve God, then toss the OT, toss it's murderous grossness. The New Testament contains much more of Jesus' message of love, brotherhood and the Kingdom of God. But be careful there too as much has been added and ommitted by men with an agenda for religious control instead of spiritual truth and liberation. And speaking of spiritual liberation...Jesus did not die for your sins. He was just executed by the Pharisees (pretending to be J ews today) because his message of love, brotherhood and the truth of the Kingdom of God was a threat to the religious doctrine of the day (as it still is today. They would crucify him again if they could. That is in fact what easter is really about. Repeated crucifixion every year). Christ did not, and cannot, take responsibility for free will actions and choices of people that wasn't born yet or wouldn't be born for hundreds and thousands of years afterwards and into eternity as the belief goes. That's just a ridiculous notion. None are responsible for another's free will actions, only their own, and it's no different for God and Jesus. You are not absolved from the affects of your actions and choices. You are responsible for them and will have to account for them and never will it be different. This idea is actually a variation on the idea of Yom Kippur where atonement by one for sins absolves you from responsibility for all future sins. A ridiculous idea. See - [link to www.hebcal.com (secure)] and make the comparison. In fact, if you want more truth than your bible could ever give you (even if it had to be compromised as well to please the Jewish world masters) the read the sections on Jesus' life in the Urantia book. You'll get much more there than you could imagine and really get to know the real Jesus and the real truth of the Kingdom of God. Having been a serious seeker of truth all my life today I got the message that I am on the wrong path. And after an unsastisfactory duck go duck search i happened upon this on glp. Going to watch now. I have a feeling I owe you gratitude. Once you understand that just because some NONCHRISTIAN man put the two bibles together between one cover for his own benefit, and that they are not complementary and are in fact contrary, everything you see around you starts to fall naturally into place, as would be fit with any true gods plan. Its no exaggeration that the biggest conspiracy on the planet and the source of all the wars and rumors of wars is the conspiracy to bind a book of hate and devilry as the book that controls the method and people who truly would follow the teachings of jesus. Why else do those who follow the old, hold such undying contempt for the new, if they are complementary and not opposite? They have fooled you into perverting CHRISTS teachings by forcing them to obey the exact insincere and perverse laws that the NT wished to cleanse in the first place. I love the OT and the NT. I see them as complimentary. Only those ignorant of both will not see how they weave together. Achduke |
| TheLordsServant User ID: 70367103 United States11/09/2019 09:31 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Keep your ramblings of myth and lengend to yourself at least in debating real things, I do not buy any of your tribal entitlement mythology of believe in your old book of lies. YOUR unprovable claims do NOT bind me to them, for they left no objective track in the desert sands and are no measure or legitimate claim for anything. Half the planet believes in Father God. One third of all humans believe in Jesus. [link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)] As of 2005, estimates classified 54% (3.6 billion people) of the world's population as adherents of an Abrahamic religion, about 32% as adherents of other religions, and 16% as adherents of no organized religion. Christianity claims 33% of the world's population, Islam has 21%, Judaism has 0.2% and the Bahá'í Faith represents around 0.1%. I am a humble Servant of the one True Living God. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 76626437 United States11/09/2019 09:32 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The Jewish people are to follow the 613 commandments. Gentiles are to follow the 7 Noahide laws. It's that simple. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77440428 Show us where in scripture you base your facts on? The noahide laws, exist to bind gentiles to serve and not be killed outright for being gentiles. There is no true way to become equal to the dear ones, and it is not the intent, for if it was it would have been made example of in the books of myths which make up the OT. The ONLY example in is is where a nontribe woman lied cheated and betrayed her way to deliver a whole people into political bondage and submission for a very large profit.. The book of ruth doesnt celebrate any actual holy deed, other than creating a coup against a cultural rival. It seems that creating coups against their competitors is the most holy act a noahide lacky can accomplish, but in the end the story doesnt make her equal, it just makes her a traitor and leaves it at that. |
| Achduke7 User ID: 78023456 United States11/09/2019 09:33 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Keep your ramblings of myth and lengend to yourself at least in debating real things, I do not buy any of your tribal entitlement mythology of believe in your old book of lies. YOUR unprovable claims do NOT bind me to them, for they left no objective track in the desert sands and are no measure or legitimate claim for anything. Half the planet believes in Father God. One third of all humans believe in Jesus. [link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)] As of 2005, estimates classified 54% (3.6 billion people) of the world's population as adherents of an Abrahamic religion, about 32% as adherents of other religions, and 16% as adherents of no organized religion. Christianity claims 33% of the world's population, Islam has 21%, Judaism has 0.2% and the Bahá'í Faith represents around 0.1%. Islam is not the same basis. Allah is not the Father. He has no son and therefore is not a father. Last Edited by Achduke7 on 11/09/2019 09:34 AM Achduke |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 78124483  Australia11/09/2019 09:34 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Christians cannot follow all of Levitical law and stay Christians. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76626437 They would naturally become judeochristians. The old testament laws declare a state of war against anyone and everyone else. The Laws for the priests / rabbis never applied to "common / everyday" folks.  Where does it say these rules are for priests/rabbis, BUT these laws are for the 'commoners'? All you gotta do is to look what they cover. [link to www.jewfaq.org] You didn't answer as to where, in the bible, does it say what you claim above? . |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 77837750 United States11/09/2019 09:38 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I want to be good. I love Him. Quoting: quizpaids But I want a straight answer, not moral relativism. Must I follow the laws of the Old Testament? Or do we Christians get to pick and choose what we want to follow? All I want is clarity not confusion. Yes or no? As Jesus stated, He fulfilled all of the OT laws with His arrival, death, and resurrection. So, no, you absolutely do not have to follow OT laws. There is a messianic movement right now which is trying to convince Christians that they must adhere to Noetic Law. This is antichrist. It seeks to erase what Jesus did. Meanwhile, Jesus did reinforce 9 or the 10 Commandments. Not only did he reinforce them, he upped the spiritual ante. For example, Jesus said that to look at a woman with lust is committing adultery in your heart; to hate someone is to commit murder in your heart: etc. He took outward sins, actions, and moved them inward, to where they begin, in the spirit. The only commandment Jesus did not reinforce is the Sabbath, because He became the Sabbath. We are to walk after and rest in Christ every moment, not just one day a week. Again, you can see the ante being upped again here. So, if any Noetic law-pushing "Christian" tries to imprison you back into the old law, tell them they do not at all understand why Jesus came, or what He did. Careful... [link to youtu.be (secure)] Also, one cannot go "back into the old law" if one has never been "into" it. I feel the need to add this teaching as well. It will absolutely blow your mind. [link to youtu.be (secure)] This is precisely what I am warning against. The bible does warn of teaching others to break the COMMANDMENTS, not the laws which were given to the j-ws for a given time and place. No man can save himself by adhering to thwe laws. Salvation comes solely by God's grace, through Jesus. Again, Jesus stressed the importance of 9 of the ten commandments, and He became the 10th, the Sabbath. Why do you think both Jesus and the disciples were constantly under threat of prosecution throughout the NT for breaking the Sabbath? Jesus was constantly ignoring it. He told them why...He came to FULFILL the law. He was and is the Sabbath we must follow, every day. |
| Achduke7 User ID: 78023456 United States11/09/2019 09:39 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The Jewish people are to follow the 613 commandments. Gentiles are to follow the 7 Noahide laws. It's that simple. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77440428 Show us where in scripture you base your facts on? The noahide laws, exist to bind gentiles to serve and not be killed outright for being gentiles. There is no true way to become equal to the dear ones, and it is not the intent, for if it was it would have been made example of in the books of myths which make up the OT. The ONLY example in is is where a nontribe woman lied cheated and betrayed her way to deliver a whole people into political bondage and submission for a very large profit.. The book of ruth doesnt celebrate any actual holy deed, other than creating a coup against a cultural rival. It seems that creating coups against their competitors is the most holy act a noahide lacky can accomplish, but in the end the story doesnt make her equal, it just makes her a traitor and leaves it at that. There were plenty of gentiles brought into the fold even before Christ. Look no further than the great mixed multitude that left Egypt. They were not slaves to Israel. They were part of Israel. God even commanded the native born not to mistreat them. Achduke |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 76626437 United States11/09/2019 09:40 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Keep your ramblings of myth and lengend to yourself at least in debating real things, I do not buy any of your tribal entitlement mythology of believe in your old book of lies. YOUR unprovable claims do NOT bind me to them, for they left no objective track in the desert sands and are no measure or legitimate claim for anything. Half the planet believes in Father God. One third of all humans believe in Jesus. [link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)] As of 2005, estimates classified 54% (3.6 billion people) of the world's population as adherents of an Abrahamic religion, about 32% as adherents of other religions, and 16% as adherents of no organized religion. Christianity claims 33% of the world's population, Islam has 21%, Judaism has 0.2% and the Bahá'í Faith represents around 0.1%. Just because you claim that what you believe to be YOUR god doesnt make it THE god. Statistics dont mean shit in this matter. The Truth is the truth even if only one man on the planet knows it. I find no TRUE god in the old testament, I find only a pretend god created to allow a group to declare itself outside the bounds of decency or any true law, declaring any and all others valueless and acting on it for their benefit. Their only mitsvah is pleasing themselves at the expense of all those theyve declared are despicable and disposable to their goldencalf god. Having declared themselvs chosen means they have no limits for what they want and you, the unchosen are allowed no defense against them. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 75371558  Finland11/09/2019 09:42 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The bible was written by men, edited by men. It's not God's holy anything and was not inspired by God at all. It was compiled from word-of-mouth stories which came hundreds of years after Christ was gone. The old testament is the Torah, Jewish books and Jewish law talking about a brutal son-of-a-bitch Jewish god, who, btw, wasn't a "god" at all but an ET from a planet called Jehovah, Jehovah's Witnesses, get it? Quoting: WhiteFly The real God would never have a "chosen people". He plays no favorites. Neither would he ever order or demand genocides, wars and bloodshed and live sacrifices to appease him. You can't appease God. He doesn't have an ego that can played too. He loves all equally and without reservation which is something man doesn't do. In short, he doesn't take sides but there are sides and we must choose which side we're on...Light or Dark. If you want to adhere to the bible, as misguiding as it is, to still serve God, then toss the OT, toss it's murderous grossness. The New Testament contains much more of Jesus' message of love, brotherhood and the Kingdom of God. But be careful there too as much has been added and ommitted by men with an agenda for religious control instead of spiritual truth and liberation. And speaking of spiritual liberation...Jesus did not die for your sins. He was just executed by the Pharisees (pretending to be J ews today) because his message of love, brotherhood and the truth of the Kingdom of God was a threat to the religious doctrine of the day (as it still is today. They would crucify him again if they could. That is in fact what easter is really about. Repeated crucifixion every year). Christ did not, and cannot, take responsibility for free will actions and choices of people that wasn't born yet or wouldn't be born for hundreds and thousands of years afterwards and into eternity as the belief goes. That's just a ridiculous notion. None are responsible for another's free will actions, only their own, and it's no different for God and Jesus. You are not absolved from the affects of your actions and choices. You are responsible for them and will have to account for them and never will it be different. This idea is actually a variation on the idea of Yom Kippur where atonement by one for sins absolves you from responsibility for all future sins. A ridiculous idea. See - [link to www.hebcal.com (secure)] and make the comparison. In fact, if you want more truth than your bible could ever give you (even if it had to be compromised as well to please the Jewish world masters) the read the sections on Jesus' life in the Urantia book. You'll get much more there than you could imagine and really get to know the real Jesus and the real truth of the Kingdom of God. Having been a serious seeker of truth all my life today I got the message that I am on the wrong path. And after an unsastisfactory duck go duck search i happened upon this on glp. Going to watch now. I have a feeling I owe you gratitude. that post had some good stuff but also errors ... and Urantia is a hoax, don't go there. "It was compiled from word-of-mouth stories which came hundreds of years after Christ was gone." for instance that's not true. the Gospels were written between about 70 AD - 120 AD. Paul's epistles are even older. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 75583697 United States11/09/2019 09:43 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Either or both should be ignored. The contradictions, immortal approved acts from slavery to genocides, women's livestock status etc., Jesus said to follow the law so start stoning all who were to be stoned. Read the books, without a believers twists and denial. They, old or new, are to horrible or confusing to be believed. Remember we don't who wrote almost all of either. We have not a single original document, none. At best we translation of various bronze age stories translated to others. Additions, subtraction, incorrect translation perhaps whole sections made up to account or add to another. For example, who wrote the book of revelations? John? John who? The correct answer is, who knows. Some will speculate this John or that John, but we don't know. So why is a bizarre story included? It's basically a rip off of a mix of OT tales put together with Jesus shoehorned into it. In putting together a book of tales, this one was hotly debated. Many wanted it not to be included, but it was voted in. The Christian bible was voted on what to include and exclude. So pass on the lobster and take the gay guy and your misbehaving son. Or be tortured for eternity by your loving NT god. Good luck. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 73841345 United States11/09/2019 09:44 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 76626437 United States11/09/2019 09:45 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The Jewish people are to follow the 613 commandments. Gentiles are to follow the 7 Noahide laws. It's that simple. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77440428 Show us where in scripture you base your facts on? The noahide laws, exist to bind gentiles to serve and not be killed outright for being gentiles. There is no true way to become equal to the dear ones, and it is not the intent, for if it was it would have been made example of in the books of myths which make up the OT. The ONLY example in is is where a nontribe woman lied cheated and betrayed her way to deliver a whole people into political bondage and submission for a very large profit.. The book of ruth doesnt celebrate any actual holy deed, other than creating a coup against a cultural rival. It seems that creating coups against their competitors is the most holy act a noahide lacky can accomplish, but in the end the story doesnt make her equal, it just makes her a traitor and leaves it at that. There were plenty of gentiles brought into the fold even before Christ. Look no further than the great mixed multitude that left Egypt. They were not slaves to Israel. They were part of Israel. God even commanded the native born not to mistreat them. No, theres no evidence that any of that tale ever happened. Belief in myth is not a debate tool, its a tool to create fake news. There is NO EXAMPLE FOR BRINGING IN OTHERS into the tribe as true equals, other than for sexual gratification. I know what happens to so called converts in real life once they are no longer profitable, so dont play that fantasy as fact. I know what is really thought about converts, and why they are always led to become 'producers' for the tribe. Such obsession with blood and lineage trumps any matters of convenience of access to sex for sport of for procreations sake, |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 76626437 United States11/09/2019 09:48 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The bible was written by men, edited by men. It's not God's holy anything and was not inspired by God at all. It was compiled from word-of-mouth stories which came hundreds of years after Christ was gone. The old testament is the Torah, Jewish books and Jewish law talking about a brutal son-of-a-bitch Jewish god, who, btw, wasn't a "god" at all but an ET from a planet called Jehovah, Jehovah's Witnesses, get it? Quoting: WhiteFly The real God would never have a "chosen people". He plays no favorites. Neither would he ever order or demand genocides, wars and bloodshed and live sacrifices to appease him. You can't appease God. He doesn't have an ego that can played too. He loves all equally and without reservation which is something man doesn't do. In short, he doesn't take sides but there are sides and we must choose which side we're on...Light or Dark. If you want to adhere to the bible, as misguiding as it is, to still serve God, then toss the OT, toss it's murderous grossness. The New Testament contains much more of Jesus' message of love, brotherhood and the Kingdom of God. But be careful there too as much has been added and ommitted by men with an agenda for religious control instead of spiritual truth and liberation. And speaking of spiritual liberation...Jesus did not die for your sins. He was just executed by the Pharisees (pretending to be J ews today) because his message of love, brotherhood and the truth of the Kingdom of God was a threat to the religious doctrine of the day (as it still is today. They would crucify him again if they could. That is in fact what easter is really about. Repeated crucifixion every year). Christ did not, and cannot, take responsibility for free will actions and choices of people that wasn't born yet or wouldn't be born for hundreds and thousands of years afterwards and into eternity as the belief goes. That's just a ridiculous notion. None are responsible for another's free will actions, only their own, and it's no different for God and Jesus. You are not absolved from the affects of your actions and choices. You are responsible for them and will have to account for them and never will it be different. This idea is actually a variation on the idea of Yom Kippur where atonement by one for sins absolves you from responsibility for all future sins. A ridiculous idea. See - [link to www.hebcal.com (secure)] and make the comparison. In fact, if you want more truth than your bible could ever give you (even if it had to be compromised as well to please the Jewish world masters) the read the sections on Jesus' life in the Urantia book. You'll get much more there than you could imagine and really get to know the real Jesus and the real truth of the Kingdom of God. Having been a serious seeker of truth all my life today I got the message that I am on the wrong path. And after an unsastisfactory duck go duck search i happened upon this on glp. Going to watch now. I have a feeling I owe you gratitude. that post had some good stuff but also errors ... and Urantia is a hoax, don't go there. "It was compiled from word-of-mouth stories which came hundreds of years after Christ was gone." for instance that's not true. the Gospels were written between about 70 AD - 120 AD. Paul's epistles are even older. More to the point, Pauls BS shouldnt even be included, its not much better than the book of mormon. The fact is that reports of what Jesus said or did, by the actual participants are the ONLY thing Christian teaching is about, and any Pauley come lately or hermetic cave dwellers are just wannabes looking for a free ride and their 15 minutes of personal fame. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 78152157  India11/09/2019 09:50 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 76626437 United States11/09/2019 09:51 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What bacon or pork had to do with anything is that once you got rid of having an easy source of protein and food to feed yourself with, you pretty much were compelled to steal food from others. A crime club needs to make it plain that through criminality sanctioned by the crime club was ones only salvation, and that it comes from taking it from others. |
| Achduke7 User ID: 78023456 United States11/09/2019 09:51 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I want to be good. I love Him. Quoting: quizpaids But I want a straight answer, not moral relativism. Must I follow the laws of the Old Testament? Or do we Christians get to pick and choose what we want to follow? All I want is clarity not confusion. Yes or no? As Jesus stated, He fulfilled all of the OT laws with His arrival, death, and resurrection. So, no, you absolutely do not have to follow OT laws. There is a messianic movement right now which is trying to convince Christians that they must adhere to Noetic Law. This is antichrist. It seeks to erase what Jesus did. Meanwhile, Jesus did reinforce 9 or the 10 Commandments. Not only did he reinforce them, he upped the spiritual ante. For example, Jesus said that to look at a woman with lust is committing adultery in your heart; to hate someone is to commit murder in your heart: etc. He took outward sins, actions, and moved them inward, to where they begin, in the spirit. The only commandment Jesus did not reinforce is the Sabbath, because He became the Sabbath. We are to walk after and rest in Christ every moment, not just one day a week. Again, you can see the ante being upped again here. So, if any Noetic law-pushing "Christian" tries to imprison you back into the old law, tell them they do not at all understand why Jesus came, or what He did. Careful... [link to youtu.be (secure)] Also, one cannot go "back into the old law" if one has never been "into" it. I feel the need to add this teaching as well. It will absolutely blow your mind. [link to youtu.be (secure)] This is precisely what I am warning against. The bible does warn of teaching others to break the COMMANDMENTS, not the laws which were given to the j-ws for a given time and place. No man can save himself by adhering to thwe laws. Salvation comes solely by God's grace, through Jesus. Again, Jesus stressed the importance of 9 of the ten commandments, and He became the 10th, the Sabbath. Why do you think both Jesus and the disciples were constantly under threat of prosecution throughout the NT for breaking the Sabbath? Jesus was constantly ignoring it. He told them why...He came to FULFILL the law. He was and is the Sabbath we must follow, every day. God said He does not change and that his laws are forever. Grace is allowing us to be saved despite our sinful nature. God says He will give us his Spirit to guide us in the law like a loving parent holding your hand to cross the street. The law to stop before crossing the street is still there but as a young child you do not know because your parent is guiding you. God will guide us. Eze 36:27 "I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will keep My judgments and do them. Achduke |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 75371558 Finland11/09/2019 09:52 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I want to be good. I love Him. Quoting: quizpaids But I want a straight answer, not moral relativism. Must I follow the laws of the Old Testament? Or do we Christians get to pick and choose what we want to follow? All I want is clarity not confusion. Yes or no? No man will be saved by his performance at "keeping" the law. Not even ONE. Faith in Christ is what accounts a man righteous. Can you support that claim with scripture that is NOT from Paul. you are False Flagging as an Indian, but only Americans are prone to these bizarre anti-Christian, anti-Pauline Hebraizing heresies ... the HISTORICAL AND THEOLOGICAL TRUTH IS THAT YOU CANNOT TAKE OUT PAUL FROM THE SCRIPTURE AND PRETEND WHAT'S LEFT IS CHRISTIAN! ASk a priest from reputable church or denomination (like Catholic, mainstream Protestant, Orthodox) don't read the net hoaxes and don't try to "do your own research" ... |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 76626437 United States11/09/2019 09:53 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | God said not to eat pig. Yet god supposedly made the pig and everything else to eat. Its a stupid law and one that many old testament believers don bother to follow. So theres that. You can get a ham sandwich in Tel Aviv if you want. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 76626437 United States11/09/2019 09:56 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I want to be good. I love Him. Quoting: quizpaids But I want a straight answer, not moral relativism. Must I follow the laws of the Old Testament? Or do we Christians get to pick and choose what we want to follow? All I want is clarity not confusion. Yes or no? No man will be saved by his performance at "keeping" the law. Not even ONE. Faith in Christ is what accounts a man righteous. Can you support that claim with scripture that is NOT from Paul. you are False Flagging as an Indian, but only Americans are prone to these bizarre anti-Christian, anti-Pauline Hebraizing heresies ... the HISTORICAL AND THEOLOGICAL TRUTH IS THAT YOU CANNOT TAKE OUT PAUL FROM THE SCRIPTURE AND PRETEND WHAT'S LEFT IS CHRISTIAN! ASk a priest from reputable church or denomination (like Catholic, mainstream Protestant, Orthodox) don't read the net hoaxes and don't try to "do your own research" ... Paul and the guy in a cave are their own religions. As for 'ask a priest', I mean, are you fucking serious? Ask a priest, now didnt jesus say you had no need for priests? So ask a priest, for what? Not to molest you? I mean, really, what do you actually know about what Christ said? I may not be perfect, but I dont think Jesus ever suggested to ask a professional priest for anything of value. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 34404409 United States11/09/2019 09:57 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I want to be good. I love Him. Quoting: quizpaids But I want a straight answer, not moral relativism. Must I follow the laws of the Old Testament? Or do we Christians get to pick and choose what we want to follow? All I want is clarity not confusion. Yes or no? If you want to follow what Jesus taught, you must first know who he was. You won't get that out of the bible. You will only understand him through your heart. What he tried to teach the people when he was here boiled down to two basic premises: First the law of free will........ do not infringe on the free will of any sentient being, human or animal.... and with that, treat all creation as you love yourself. If everyone would do these two things, we would truly have heaven on earth. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 75371558 Finland11/09/2019 10:03 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78135120 No man will be saved by his performance at "keeping" the law. Not even ONE. Faith in Christ is what accounts a man righteous. Can you support that claim with scripture that is NOT from Paul. you are False Flagging as an Indian, but only Americans are prone to these bizarre anti-Christian, anti-Pauline Hebraizing heresies ... the HISTORICAL AND THEOLOGICAL TRUTH IS THAT YOU CANNOT TAKE OUT PAUL FROM THE SCRIPTURE AND PRETEND WHAT'S LEFT IS CHRISTIAN! ASk a priest from reputable church or denomination (like Catholic, mainstream Protestant, Orthodox) don't read the net hoaxes and don't try to "do your own research" ... Paul and the guy in a cave are their own religions. As for 'ask a priest', I mean, are you fucking serious? Ask a priest, now didnt jesus say you had no need for priests? So ask a priest, for what? Not to molest you? I mean, really, what do you actually know about what Christ said? I may not be perfect, but I dont think Jesus ever suggested to ask a professional priest for anything of value. the priest has had to study in seminars or university, he knows Koine Greek, Hebrew and Latin ...he knows the history and the Theology Without Paul there wouldn't be Christianity ... that's the way it is. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 78124483 Australia11/09/2019 10:03 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78135120 No man will be saved by his performance at "keeping" the law. Not even ONE. Faith in Christ is what accounts a man righteous. Can you support that claim with scripture that is NOT from Paul. you are False Flagging as an Indian, but only Americans are prone to these bizarre anti-Christian, anti-Pauline Hebraizing heresies ... the HISTORICAL AND THEOLOGICAL TRUTH IS THAT YOU CANNOT TAKE OUT PAUL FROM THE SCRIPTURE AND PRETEND WHAT'S LEFT IS CHRISTIAN! ASk a priest from reputable church or denomination (like Catholic, mainstream Protestant, Orthodox) don't read the net hoaxes and don't try to "do your own research" ... Paul and the guy in a cave are their own religions. As for 'ask a priest', I mean, are you fucking serious? Ask a priest, now didnt jesus say you had no need for priests? So ask a priest, for what? Not to molest you? I mean, really, what do you actually know about what Christ said? I may not be perfect, but I dont think Jesus ever suggested to ask a professional priest for anything of value. But it's their job, to answer the questions of the sheep in their flock!! They are shepherds after all. .  Not take the Paul out? Well they took a shitload of other books out. . |
| Achduke7 User ID: 78023456 United States11/09/2019 10:05 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78151942 Can you support that claim with scripture that is NOT from Paul. you are False Flagging as an Indian, but only Americans are prone to these bizarre anti-Christian, anti-Pauline Hebraizing heresies ... the HISTORICAL AND THEOLOGICAL TRUTH IS THAT YOU CANNOT TAKE OUT PAUL FROM THE SCRIPTURE AND PRETEND WHAT'S LEFT IS CHRISTIAN! ASk a priest from reputable church or denomination (like Catholic, mainstream Protestant, Orthodox) don't read the net hoaxes and don't try to "do your own research" ... Paul and the guy in a cave are their own religions. As for 'ask a priest', I mean, are you fucking serious? Ask a priest, now didnt jesus say you had no need for priests? So ask a priest, for what? Not to molest you? I mean, really, what do you actually know about what Christ said? I may not be perfect, but I dont think Jesus ever suggested to ask a professional priest for anything of value. the priest has had to study in seminars or university, he knows Koine Greek, Hebrew and Latin ...he knows the history and the Theology Without Paul there wouldn't be Christianity ... that's the way it is. The scribes and Pharisees were learned men also. They have the bias that was taught to them. Achduke |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 75371558 Finland11/09/2019 10:12 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78151942 Can you support that claim with scripture that is NOT from Paul. you are False Flagging as an Indian, but only Americans are prone to these bizarre anti-Christian, anti-Pauline Hebraizing heresies ... the HISTORICAL AND THEOLOGICAL TRUTH IS THAT YOU CANNOT TAKE OUT PAUL FROM THE SCRIPTURE AND PRETEND WHAT'S LEFT IS CHRISTIAN! ASk a priest from reputable church or denomination (like Catholic, mainstream Protestant, Orthodox) don't read the net hoaxes and don't try to "do your own research" ... Paul and the guy in a cave are their own religions. As for 'ask a priest', I mean, are you fucking serious? Ask a priest, now didnt jesus say you had no need for priests? So ask a priest, for what? Not to molest you? I mean, really, what do you actually know about what Christ said? I may not be perfect, but I dont think Jesus ever suggested to ask a professional priest for anything of value. But it's their job, to answer the questions of the sheep in their flock!! They are shepherds after all. . Not take the Paul out? Well they took a shitload of other books out. . nothing was "taken out", you don't understand the concept of closed Canon. There wasn't a "BIBLE" to take something away before the Canon was locked ... |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 75371558 Finland11/09/2019 10:14 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
