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The German Soldier of WWII: history's most formidable fighting force

 
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Some of them were excellent soldiers, but for the most part the Germans had average soldiers with an excellent leadership.

Also having a huge industrial base really helped, as invading unprepared weaker countries.



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For some reason the "industrial" argument is often used to explain why the South lost the U.S. Civil War, but the same argument is often absent as to why explaining the Germans defeating a bunch of smaller and much poorer countries.
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France was prepared, ready ( maginot line, and had the top army at the time. They also even got the plans for the german invasion in Jan of 1940 (mechelen incident, see link below). And they still got rolled.

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Only you forgot to mention that the Maginot Line did not cover the border with Belgium, and the Germans got really lucky bypassing it in the Ardennes.

But I partially agree, the German victory against France was the only very impressive Wehrmacht accomplishment of the Second World War.

One could also make arguments in favor of the German military being impressive for its conquests of Norway and Crete, due to these being logistically difficult. By the way, conquest of Norway was apparently Hitler's idea, and his generals were mostly against it. I guess he was not entirely a bad military strategist.
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The Germans attacking anyone to create empire was shear folly.

Destroying Germany for what?
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The Whermacht was the greatest fighting force the world had ever seen. The German war doctrine, to this day, is still adopted by many of the world's militaries. They were far ahead of their time, using methods never before implemented, equipped with technology never before experienced on the scale that would be the battlegrounds of World War 2.
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I pretty much agree with this. Following the great Prussian military traditions, with experienced command structure and advanced tanks and airplanes the only surprising thing is that France wasn't able to put up more of a fight. They had some good tanks, that didn't have a strong leadership and their first modern fighter was only available in small numbers. French tanks couldn't even communicate with each other.

The poor Poles, Belgians, Norwegians, Czechs didn't stand a change. Even the Soviets who put up little fight even though they had overwhelming numbers of lightly armored BT tanks which were rapidly defeated by Panzer III and Panzer IV and their Biplanes were no match for the Luftwaffe.

Later the Soviets had worked out the bugs in their T-34 tanks, was getting better airplanes and learning the tactics required to beat the Wehrmacht and the Germans were stopped and forced to retreat.


There was reason to be overconfident, no one could stop them, and took the combined force of three world powers to bring them to a kneel, even then the German people would not surrender, even at the brink of defeat. Many proud and brave men fought, as well as died in those times, but a remnant always lives on. The German armies were honorable, and courageous soldiers. May their legacy live on forever. Our honor is loyalty. God with us. And just for the record, the German high command, as well as the average everyday civilian never wanted a war with America. It was the British that can be thanked for that!
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The Germans were confident... well most were. Many advised Hitler not to start a 2 front war. It was known that if Germany invaded the Soviet Union the war would have to be won quickly in the East as Germany could never win a war of attrition with the Soviets.

Other world leaders agreed that the Soviet government would crumble. It didn't and even after Germany slaughtered and captured the huge parts of the Red Army they kept creating new armies and attacking some more. At this same time the Wehrmacht had supply line issues and had massive shortages. The Wehrmacht was defeated and forced to move back from the Battle of Moscow which was the beginning of the end for Nazi Germany.
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Germany was a great country and Nazism destroyed it
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But the National Socialists did not come out of nowhere. Two things led directly to the rise of Hitler:

1. The Allied Starvation Blockade of Germany (engineered by Churchill and International Freemasons), which was even protested for its brutality by Allied troops such as General Sir Herbert Plumer who was stationed on the Rhine and witnessed the starving Germans firsthand. "Freedom and Bread" would become a powerful slogan in the ascent to power of the new National Socialist Workers Party.

2. The International support for a Communist "color revolution" (by the ancestors of the same people who brought you the "Maidan" and "Arab Spring" street battles) which led to vicious street battles in pre-WWII Germany between International Communist proxies and German citizens.
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Germans ran out of crystal meth which was powering the soldiers. Dang that's smart.

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Nothing like s Russian front to shatter that myth...
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The title should read:
"The most easily MANIPULATED and lacking in morals fighting force of WW2"


German soldiers were on board lock stock and barrel with expanding out from Germany not just to take over other people's lands /countries but to also kill not only foreign Soldiers but all Civilians who got in their way, and to do that killing with NO remorse.

The murdering of Civilians on the Eastern Font during the invasion of first Eastern Europe and then Ukraine and Russia itself was unparalleled in modern times, and the German Soldiers had no problem with that. When you look at what the Germans did to everyday Russians it is amazing that Russian soldiers refrained from engaging in a brutal "payback" revenge killing spree once they finally entered Germany proper.

I am 1/2 German, but there is something in the German psychic that CRAVES being part of a large organized group that kills others in a very organized manner. It is still there to this day in fact (imo), which is why Margaret Thatcher was very vocal that she was NOT in favor of German Reunification in the event that East Germany would collapse.
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Don't be too sure, after all history is written by the victors.
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Germany was a great country and Nazism destroyed it
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But the National Socialists did not come out of nowhere. Two things led directly to the rise of Hitler:

1. The Allied Starvation Blockade of Germany (engineered by Churchill and International Freemasons), which was even protested for its brutality by Allied troops such as General Sir Herbert Plumer who was stationed on the Rhine and witnessed the starving Germans firsthand. "Freedom and Bread" would become a powerful slogan in the ascent to power of the new National Socialist Workers Party.

2. The International support for a Communist "color revolution" (by the ancestors of the same people who brought you the "Maidan" and "Arab Spring" street battles) which led to vicious street battles in pre-WWII Germany between International Communist proxies and German citizens.
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Stalin enabled Hitler to suceed (easy to see) so he could have it easy taking over europe, unfortunately he ignored the "red orchestra" and allowed hitler to attack first.
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Nothing like s Russian front to shatter that myth...
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Russia lost around 13 million soldiers, more than the Germans did.
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Germans ran out of crystal meth which was powering the soldiers. Dang that's smart.
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Seriously?
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Doomed by the materiel superiority of the US, the manpower superiority of the USSR, and the stupidity to move deep into old Russia during the winter.
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You really dont know history,
A Nation the size of Montana kicked the whole worlds ass
and lost by a hair. The war could have really gone either
way.
Have more respect and learn true history.
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Re: The German Soldier of WWII: history's most formidable fighting force
The title should read:
"The most easily MANIPULATED and lacking in morals fighting force of WW2"


German soldiers were on board lock stock and barrel with expanding out from Germany not just to take over other people's lands /countries but to also kill not only foreign Soldiers but all Civilians who got in their way, and to do that killing with NO remorse.

The murdering of Civilians on the Eastern Font during the invasion of first Eastern Europe and then Ukraine and Russia itself was unparalleled in modern times, and the German Soldiers had no problem with that. When you look at what the Germans did to everyday Russians it is amazing that Russian soldiers refrained from engaging in a brutal "payback" revenge killing spree once they finally entered Germany proper.

I am 1/2 German, but there is something in the German psychic that CRAVES being part of a large organized group that kills others in a very organized manner. It is still there to this day in fact (imo), which is why Margaret Thatcher was very vocal that she was NOT in favor of German Reunification in the event that East Germany would collapse.
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Don't be too sure, after all history is written by the victors.
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Not to mention the juice ruined Germany and as a result ww1 happened. As a result hundreds of parites rose up and nationalist socialist won and moved Germany into a modern economic power in 6 years as something the world had never seen before. Germany was more modern than the USA and becoming its own banking empire. Juice could not have that.
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Doomed by the materiel superiority of the US, the manpower superiority of the USSR, and the stupidity to move deep into old Russia during the winter.
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You really dont know history,
A Nation the size of Montana kicked the whole worlds ass
and lost by a hair. The war could have really gone either
way.
Have more respect and learn true history.
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Twice in three generations

Don’t forget the Franco-Prussian war neither


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Right, that's why we're all speaking German now. cruise
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Germany lost in the West, Europe proper and the East.

It’s called the Battle of the Atlantic, the Battle of Britain (air war) and the Eastern Front.

That sounds like a lot of losing to me. If you can’t even maintain air parity you are screwed in any modern war.

Dummies.
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As Patton said once he found out what
was really going on with the Germans:
"We fought the wrong enemy".
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Re: The German Soldier of WWII: history's most formidable fighting force
The title should read:
"The most easily MANIPULATED and lacking in morals fighting force of WW2"


German soldiers were on board lock stock and barrel with expanding out from Germany not just to take over other people's lands /countries but to also kill not only foreign Soldiers but all Civilians who got in their way, and to do that killing with NO remorse.

The murdering of Civilians on the Eastern Font during the invasion of first Eastern Europe and then Ukraine and Russia itself was unparalleled in modern times, and the German Soldiers had no problem with that. When you look at what the Germans did to everyday Russians it is amazing that Russian soldiers refrained from engaging in a brutal "payback" revenge killing spree once they finally entered Germany proper.

I am 1/2 German, but there is something in the German psychic that CRAVES being part of a large organized group that kills others in a very organized manner. It is still there to this day in fact (imo), which is why Margaret Thatcher was very vocal that she was NOT in favor of German Reunification in the event that East Germany would collapse.
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Re: The German Soldier of WWII: history's most formidable fighting force
History's most formidable fighting force? Lmfao. Try the Mongols or the Roman legions.
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The Germans fought with the Roman legions on many occasions. A German cohort was particularly influential in 70AD, fighting with distinction alongside Titus' Roman legions.
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Caesar said Germans always beat the Gauls in any conflict and the Gauls admitted it.
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If by formidable you mean getting their asses kicked then yes they were very formidable....
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Germans? Meh. Everyone knows the Finns during the Winter War were the most badass fighting force ever to walk this Earth tounge

The tiny country singlehandedly grinded the Soviet war machine to a halt in a brutal defensive war.

The result of the Winter War was probably the reason Hitler decided that attacking Russia would be easy. Boy was he wrong.
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Finland lost the winter war. How much land did you give up to end it?
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just enough to bury our soldiers said Molotov the Russian FM
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The Whermacht was the greatest fighting force the world had ever seen. The German war doctrine, to this day, is still adopted by many of the world's militaries. They were far ahead of their time, using methods never before implemented, equipped with technology never before experienced on the scale that would be the battlegrounds of World War 2. There was reason to be overconfident, no one could stop them, and took the combined force of three world powers to bring them to a kneel, even then the German people would not surrender, even at the brink of defeat. Many proud and brave men fought, as well as died in those times, but a remnant always lives on. The German armies were honorable, and courageous soldiers. May their legacy live on forever. Our honor is loyalty. God with us. And just for the record, the German high command, as well as the average everyday civilian never wanted a war with America. It was the British that can be thanked for that!
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And 70 years later the german men AND women are all standi g around with their blue hair and tatts and pbones glued to their noses whilst bendi g over and taking it fair up the shit chute by the goatfuckers.


Its amazing how in only 2 measly generations...the meanest worriors on earth have become the wussiest poofy soft cock bum pluggers the world has ever seen.

Pedophilia is LEGAL in Germany now.

Whats it gonna take to re awaken you guys?
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Hitler did not want war.
Churchill pushed him as well as the
soviets.

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As Patton said once he found out what
was really going on with the Germans:
"We fought the wrong enemy".
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Patton and JFK both knew the truth.
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Hitler did not want war.
Churchill pushed him as well as the
soviets.

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How many Americans have actually read Hitler's declaration of war on the United States. It is really an eye opener when you read the entire text of Hitler's speech. It reads like someone declaring war on the very same Deep State that is today attempting to overthrow Trump.
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And then they got their asses kicked from two sides. Not so formidable after all.
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Germany was a great country and Nazism destroyed it
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hesright

These Nazi shills are dumb af. Think they're different from commies, but are as every bit as totalitarian and genocidal as they are.

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Hitler did not want war.
Churchill pushed him as well as the
soviets.

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Dumbest post so far in this thread. Hitler wanted war and he started one. When the Sudetenland crisis happened British PM Neville Chamberlain personally met with Hitler in Munich to work out the Munich Agreement. Germany was given the Sudetenland portion of Czechoslovakia and Hitler promised that Germany had no more territorial ambitions in Europe. War was averted and a peace worked out.

But Adolf Hitler was never a man of his word and 6 months later the German army rolled into the rest of Czechoslovakia. And then Hitler started making demands on Poland for territory. Chamberlain the peacemaker warned Germany not to invade Poland and when in September 1939 Germany rolled into Poland Britain and France declared war.

Churchill wasn't even involved. By the time Churchill became PM Germany had invaded Czechoslovakia, Austria, Poland, Denmark, Norway, Belgium, the Netherlands and France.

Learn history people. Don't let yourselves be fooled by the Hitler fanboys.
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The Whermacht was the greatest fighting force the world had ever seen. The German war doctrine, to this day, is still adopted by many of the world's militaries. They were far ahead of their time, using methods never before implemented, equipped with technology never before experienced on the scale that would be the battlegrounds of World War 2. There was reason to be overconfident, no one could stop them, and took the combined force of three world powers to bring them to a kneel, even then the German people would not surrender, even at the brink of defeat. Many proud and brave men fought, as well as died in those times, but a remnant always lives on. The German armies were honorable, and courageous soldiers. May their legacy live on forever. Our honor is loyalty. God with us. And just for the record, the German high command, as well as the average everyday civilian never wanted a war with America. It was the British that can be thanked for that!
 Quoting: Zoink


And 70 years later the german men AND women are all standi g around with their blue hair and tatts and pbones glued to their noses whilst bendi g over and taking it fair up the shit chute by the goatfuckers.


Its amazing how in only 2 measly generations...the meanest worriors on earth have become the wussiest poofy soft cock bum pluggers the world has ever seen.

Pedophilia is LEGAL in Germany now.

Whats it gonna take to re awaken you guys?
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Lol.

This.
How do you solve a problem?

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Re: The German Soldier of WWII: history's most formidable fighting force
Sadly this does not bring joy and happiness with it .

Does it ?

War is horrible and brutal.

Lots of people die and loose loved ones ..

All this fighting leaves lots of grief which does not disappear .

It is not a good look .





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