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The German Soldier of WWII: history's most formidable fighting force

 
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Your life would be a million times better if those men had won.

Instead your g0y!m being used and tossed away.
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Ah, I see someone has drank the National Socialist kool-aid.
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Germany was a great country and Nazism destroyed it
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The Treaty of Versailles paved the way for a totalitarian government to take control of Germany. You can only fuck over a people for a short while before they fight back.
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"At the beginning of World War I, Britain set up a blockade designed, according to one of its architects, Winston Churchill, to "starve the whole population of Germany - men, women and children, old and young, wounded and sound - into submission."


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Yes, Germany lost 2 world wars due to the British blockade. Germany couldn't challenge the Royal Navy... but they did use submarine warfare to attempt to starve Britain and sunk 5,000 merchant ships during WWI. But the British blockade proved more effective. Allied troops never invaded Germany during WWI... Germany still had to surrender because of shortages of everything from food to raw materials to manpower.

Still what does that have to do with Hitler starting WWII more than 20 years later at a time when Churchill was not in power?
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I have spoken with people who lived in Germany and surrounding countries in the 1930's-40's. You simply do NOT know the facts. Hitler did not want war nor did he start it. bolshshits invaded germany thru poland and several time butchering innocent people in villages. They war drawing hitler into war. Once hitler went into poland to defend his people, newspapers around the world state the hitler invades poland to being world conquest. All bullshit.
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"At the beginning of World War I, Britain set up a blockade designed, according to one of its architects, Winston Churchill, to "starve the whole population of Germany - men, women and children, old and young, wounded and sound - into submission."


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Yes, Germany lost 2 world wars due to the British blockade. Germany couldn't challenge the Royal Navy... but they did use submarine warfare to attempt to starve Britain and sunk 5,000 merchant ships during WWI. But the British blockade proved more effective. Allied troops never invaded Germany during WWI... Germany still had to surrender because of shortages of everything from food to raw materials to manpower.

Still what does that have to do with Hitler starting WWII more than 20 years later at a time when Churchill was not in power?
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I have spoken with people who lived in Germany and surrounding countries in the 1930's-40's. You simply do NOT know the facts. Hitler did not want war nor did he start it. bolshshits invaded germany thru poland and several time butchering innocent people in villages. They war drawing hitler into war. Once hitler went into poland to defend his people, newspapers around the world state the hitler invades poland to being world conquest. All bullshit.
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Yes, Germany lost 2 world wars due to the British blockade. Germany couldn't challenge the Royal Navy... but they did use submarine warfare to attempt to starve Britain and sunk 5,000 merchant ships during WWI. But the British blockade proved more effective. Allied troops never invaded Germany during WWI... Germany still had to surrender because of shortages of everything from food to raw materials to manpower.

Still what does that have to do with Hitler starting WWII more than 20 years later at a time when Churchill was not in power?
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Hitler didn't start WWII. Poland started it by poking Hitler in the eye over the issue of Danzig, a 98% German city. The only reason the Poles felt so confident poking Hitler in the eye, was because Britain gave the Poles a worthless war guarantee, one which Britain had no intention of honoring. Also, please read Hitler's declaration of war on the United States. It makes it clear who started WWII. It wasn't Germany.
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FDR was also egging the poles on, the germans published the correspondence when they captured it. it was confirmed when the polish foreign minister died and his papers were made public. but its not well know that FDR let his government become full of russian spies and US policy was working to Stalins advantage. Unfortunately for stalin, with all his plotting and preparations Hitler attacked him right before he was set to attack.
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Hitler singled out FDR in his declaration of war, as well as highlighting Britain's worthless war guarantee to Poland:

"And now let me speak about another world, one that is represented by a man [President Franklin Roosevelt] who likes to chat nicely at the fireside while nations and their soldiers fight in snow and ice: above all, the man who is primarily responsible for this war.

When the nationality problem in the former Polish state was growing ever more intolerable in 1939, I attempted to eliminate the unendurable conditions by means of a just agreement. For a certain time it seemed as if the Polish government was seriously considering giving its approval to a reasonable solution. I may also add here that in all of these German proposals, nothing was demanded that had not previously belonged to Germany. In fact, we were willing to give up much that had belonged to Germany before the [First] World War.

You will recall the dramatic events of that period - the steadily increasing numbers of victims among the ethnic Germans [in Poland]. You, my deputies, are best qualified to compare this loss of life with that of the present war. The military campaign in the East has so far cost the entire German armed forces about 160,000 deaths, whereas during just a few months of peace [in 1939] more than 62,000 ethnic Germans were killed, including some who were horribly tortured. There is no question that the German Reich had the right to protest against this situation on its border and to press for its elimination, if for no other reason than for its own security, particularly since we live in an age in which [some] other countries [notably, the USA and Britain] regard their security at stake even in foreign continents. In geographical terms, the problems to be resolved were not very important. Essentially they involved Danzig [Gdansk] and a connecting link between the torn-away province of East Prussia and the rest of the Reich. Of much greater concern were the brutal persecutions of the Germans in Poland. In addition, the other minority population groups [notably the Ukrainians] were subject to a fate that was no less severe.

During those days in August [1939], when the Polish attitude steadily hardened, thanks to Britain's blank check of unlimited backing, the German Reich was moved to make one final proposal. We were prepared to enter into negotiations with Poland on the basis of this proposal, and we verbally informed the British ambassador of the proposal text. Today I would like to recall that proposal and review it with you.

[Text of the German proposal of August 29, 1939:]

Proposal for a settlement of the Danzig-Corridor problem and the German-Polish minority question:

The situation between the German Reich and Poland is now such that any further incident could lead to action by the military forces that have taken position on both sides of the frontier. Any peaceful solution must be such that the basic causes of this situation are eliminated so that they are not simply repeated, which would mean that not only eastern Europe but other areas as well would be subject to the same tension. The causes of this situation are rooted in, first, the intolerable border that was specified by the dictated peace of Versailles [of 1919], and, second, the intolerable treatment of the minority populations in the lost territories.

In making these proposals, the German Reich government is motivated by the desire to achieve a permanent solution that will put an end to the intolerable situation arising from the present border demarcation, secure to both parties vitally important connecting routes, and which will solve the minority problem, insofar as that is possible, and if not, will at least insure a tolerable life for the minority populations with secure guarantees of their rights.
The German Reich government is convinced that it is absolutely necessary to investigate the economic and physical damage inflicted since 1918, with full reparations to be made for that. Of course, it regards this obligation as binding on both sides.

On the basis of these considerations, we make the following concrete proposals:

1. The Free City of Danzig returns immediately to the German Reich on the basis of its purely German character and the unanimous desire of its population.

2. The territory of the so-called [Polish] Corridor will decide for itself whether it wishes to belong to Germany or to Poland. This territory consists of the area between the Baltic Sea [in the north] to a line marked [in the south] by the towns of Marienwerder, Graudenz, Kuhn and Bromberg -- including these towns -- and then westwards to Schoenlanke.

3. For this purpose a plebiscite will be conducted in this territory. All Germans who lived in this territory on January 1, 1918, or were born there on or before that date will be entitled to vote in the plebiscite. Similarly, all Poles, Kashubians, and so forth, who lived in this territory on or before that date, or were born there before that date, will also be entitled to vote. Germans who were expelled from this territory will return to vote in the plebiscite.

To insure an impartial plebiscite and to make sure that all necessary preliminary preparation work is properly carried out, this territory will come under the authority of an international commission, similar to the one organized in the Saar territory [for the 1935 plebiscite there]. This commission is to be organized immediately by the four great powers of Italy, the Soviet Union, France and Britain. This commission will have all sovereign authority in the territory. Accordingly, Polish military forces, Polish police and Polish authorities are to clear out of this territory as soon as possible, by a date to be agreed upon.

4. Not included in this territory is the Polish port of Gdynia, which is regarded as fundamentally sovereign Polish territory, to the extent of [ethnic] Polish settlement, but as a matter of principle is recognized as Polish territory. The specific border of this Polish port city will be negotiated by Germany and Poland and, if necessary, established by an international court of arbitration.

5. In order to insure ample time for the preparations necessary in order to conduct an impartial plebiscite, the plebiscite will not take place until after at least twelve months have elapsed.

6. In order to ensure unhindered traffic between Germany and East Prussia, and between Poland and the [Baltic] Sea, during this period [before the plebiscite], certain roads and rail lines may be designated to enable free transit. In that regard, only such fees may be imposed that are necessary for the maintenance of the transit routes or for transport itself.

7. A simple majority of the votes cast will decide whether the territory will go to Germany or to Poland.

8. After the plebiscite has been conducted, and regardless of the result, free transit will be guaranteed between Germany and its province of Danzig-East Prussia, as well as between Poland and the [Baltic] Sea. If the plebiscite determines that the territory belongs to Poland, Germany will obtain an extraterritorial transit zone, consisting of a motor super-highway [Reichsautobahn] and a four-track rail line, approximately along the line of Buetow-Danzig and Dirschau. The highway and the rail line will be built in such a way that the Polish transit lines are not disturbed, which means that they will pass either above or underneath. This zone will be one kilometer wide and will be sovereign German territory. In case the plebiscite is in Germany's favor, Poland will have free and unrestricted transit to its port of Gdynia with the same right to an extraterritorial road and rail line that Germany would have had.

9. If the Corridor returns to Germany, the German Reich declares that it is ready to carry out an exchange of population with Poland to the extent that this would be suitable for the [people of the] Corridor.

10. The special rights that may be claimed by Poland in the port of Danzig will be negotiated on the basis of parity for rights to Germany in the port of Gdynia.

11. In order to eliminate all fear of threat from either side, Danzig and Gdynia will be purely commercial centers, that is, with no military installations or military fortifications.

12. The peninsula of Hela, which will go to either Poland or Germany on the basis of the plebiscite, will also be demilitarized in any case.

13. The German Reich government has protested in the strongest terms against the Polish treatment of its minority populations. For its part, the Polish government also believes itself called upon to make protests against Germany. Accordingly, both sides agree to submit these complaints to an international investigation commission, which will be responsible for investigating all complaints of economic and physical damage as well as other acts of terror.

Germany and Poland pledge to compensate for all economic and other damages inflicted on minority populations on both sides since 1918, and/or to revoke all expropriations and provide for complete reparation for the victims of these and other economic measures.

14. In order to eliminate feelings of deprivation of international rights in the part of the Germans who will remain in Poland, as well as of the Poles who will remain in Germany, and above all, to insure that they are not forced to act contrary to their ethnic-national feelings, Germany and Poland agree to guarantee the rights of the minority populations on both sides through comprehensive and binding agreements. These will insure the right of these minority groups to maintain, freely develop and carry on their national-cultural life. In particular, they will be allowed to maintain organizations for these purposes. Both sides agree that members of their minority populations will not be drafted for military service.

15. If agreement is reached on the basis of these proposals, Germany and Poland declare that they will immediately order and carry out the demobilization of their armed forces.

16. Germany and Poland will agree to whatever additional measures may be necessary to implement the above points as quickly as possible.

[End of the text of the German proposal]

The same [measures] would have applied with regard to the proposals to secure [the rights of] the minorities.
This is the treaty proposal – as straight-forward and as generous as has ever been presented by a government – that was made by the National Socialist leadership of the German Reich.

The former Polish government refused to respond to these proposals in any way. In this regard, the question presents itself: How is it possible that such an unimportant state could dare to simply disregard such proposals and, in addition, carry out further cruelties against the Germans, the people who have given this land its entire culture, and even order the general mobilization of its armed forces?

A look at the documents of the [Polish] Foreign Ministry in Warsaw later provided the surprising explanation. They told of the role of a man [President Roosevelt] who, with diabolical lack of principle, used all of his influence to strengthen Poland's resistance and to prevent any possibility of understanding. These reports were sent by the former Polish ambassador in Washington, Count [Jerzy] Potocki, to his government in Warsaw. These documents clearly and shockingly reveal the extent to which one man and the powers behind him are responsible for the Second World War. Another question arises: Why had this man [Roosevelt] developed such a fanatic hostility against a country that, in its entire history, had never harmed either America or him?

With regard to Germany's relationship with America, the following should be said:

1. Germany is perhaps the only great power which has never had a colony in either North or South America. Nor has it been otherwise politically active there, apart from the emigration of many millions of Germans with their skills, from which the American continent, and particularly the United States, has only benefited.

2. In the entire history of the development and existence of the United States, the German Reich has never been hostile or even politically unfriendly towards the United States. To the contrary, many Germans have given their lives to defend the USA.

3. The German Reich has never participated in wars against the United States, except when the United States went to war against it in 1917. It did so for reasons that have been thoroughly explained by a commission [a special U.S. Senate investigating committee, 1934-1935, chaired by Sen. Gerald Nye], which president Roosevelt himself established [or rather, endorsed]. This commission to investigate the reasons for America's entry into the [First World] war clearly established that the United States entered the war in 1917 solely for the capitalist interests of a small group, and that Germany itself had no intention to come into conflict with America.

Furthermore, there are no territorial or political conflicts between the American and German nations that could possibly involve the existence or even the [vital] interests of the United States. The forms of government have always been different. But this cannot be a reason for hostility between different nations, as long as one form of government does not try to interfere with another, outside of its naturally ordained sphere.

America is a republic led by a president with wide-ranging powers of authority. Germany was once ruled by a monarchy with limited authority, and then by a democracy that lacked authority. Today it is a republic of wide-ranging authority. Between these two countries is an ocean. If anything, the differences between capitalist America and Bolshevik Russia, if these terms have any meaning at all, must be more significant than those between an America led by a President and a Germany led by a Führer.

It is a fact that the two historical conflicts between Germany and the United States were stimulated by two Americans, that is, by Presidents Woodrow Wilson and Franklin Roosevelt, although each was inspired by the same forces. History itself has rendered its verdict on Wilson. His name will always be associated with the most base betrayal in history of a pledge [notably, Wilson's "14 points"]. The result was the ruin of national life, not only in the so-called vanquished countries, but among the victors as well. Because of this broken pledge, which alone made possible the imposed Treaty of Versailles [1919], countries were torn apart, cultures were destroyed and the economic life of all was ruined. Today we know that a group of self-serving financiers stood behind Wilson. They used this paralytic professor to lead America into a war from which they hoped to profit. The German nation once believed this man, and had to pay for this trust with political and economic ruin.

After such a bitter experience, why is there now another American president who is determined to incite wars and, above all, to stir up hostility against Germany to the point of war? National Socialism came to power in Germany in the same year [1933] that Roosevelt came to power in the United States. At this point it is important to examine the factors behind the current developments.

First of all, the personal side of things: I understand very well that there is a world of difference between my own outlook on life and attitude, and that of President Roosevelt. Roosevelt came from an extremely wealthy family. By birth and origin he belonged to that class of people that is privileged in a democracy and assured of advancement. I myself was only the child of a small and poor family, and I had to struggle through life by work and effort in spite of immense hardships. As a member of the privileged class, Roosevelt experienced the [First] World War in a position under Wilson's shadow [as assistant secretary of the Navy]. As a result, he only knew the agreeable consequences of a conflict between nations from which some profited while others lost their lives. During this same period, I lived very differently. I was not one of those who made history or profits, but rather one of those who carried out orders. As an ordinary soldier during those four years, I tried to do my duty in the face of the enemy. Of course, I returned from the war just as poor as when I entered in the fall of 1914. I thus shared my fate with millions of others, while Mr. Roosevelt shared his with the so-called upper ten thousand.

After the war, while Mr. Roosevelt tested his skills in financial speculation in order to profit personally from the inflation, that is, from the misfortune of others, I still lay in a military hospital along with many hundreds of thousands of others. Experienced in business, financially secure and enjoying the patronage of his class, Roosevelt then finally chose a career in politics. During this same period, I struggled as a nameless and unknown man for the rebirth of my nation, which was the victim of the greatest injustice in its entire history.

Two different paths in life! Franklin Roosevelt took power in the United States as the candidate of a thoroughly capitalistic party, which helps those who serve it. When I became the Chancellor of the German Reich, I was the leader of a popular national movement, which I had created myself. The powers that supported Mr. Roosevelt were the same powers I fought against, out of concern for the fate of my people, and out of deepest inner conviction. The "brain trust" that served the new American president was made up of members of the same national group that we fought against in Germany as a parasitical expression of humanity, and which we began to remove from public life.

And yet, we also had something in common: Franklin Roosevelt took control of a country with an economy that had been ruined as a result of democratic influences, and I assumed the leadership of a Reich that was also on the edge of complete ruin, thanks to democracy. There were 13 million unemployed in the United States, while Germany had seven million unemployed and another seven million part-time workers. In both countries, public finances were in chaos, and it seemed that the spreading economic depression could not be stopped.

From then on, things developed in the United States and in the German Reich in such a way that future generations will have no difficulty in making a definitive evaluation of the two different socio-political theories. Whereas the German Reich experienced an enormous improvement in social, economic, cultural and artistic life in just a few years under National Socialist leadership, President Roosevelt was not able to bring about even limited improvements in his own country. This task should have been much easier in the United States, with barely 15 people per square kilometer, as compared to 140 in Germany. If economic prosperity is not possible in that country, it must be the result of either a lack of will by the ruling leadership or the complete incompetence of the men in charge. In just five years, the economic problems were solved in Germany and unemployment was eliminated. During this same period, President Roosevelt enormously increased his country's national debt, devalued the dollar, further disrupted the economy and maintained the same number of unemployed.

- from Hitler's Declaration of War on the United States, December 11, 1941.


I gurantee you most Americans have never read any of this speech before (and this is but a small part of it). It has eerie similarities to the situation developing today between the Western Deep State and Russia. Almost like History is being replayed.

"Those who do not learn history are doomed to repeat it." - George Santayana
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If they were so formidable, how come the Soviets took Berlin?
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Fuck the nazis.
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Hitler didn't start WWII. Poland started it by poking Hitler in the eye over the issue of Danzig, a 98% German city. The only reason the Poles felt so confident poking Hitler in the eye, was because Britain gave the Poles a worthless war guarantee, one which Britain had no intention of honoring. Also, please read Hitler's declaration of war on the United States. It makes it clear who started WWII. It wasn't Germany.
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Sorry my ignorant friend, but throughout 1939 Hitler made demands for Polish territory. Poland refused and on September 1, 1939 Germany invaded Poland starting WWII in Europe. Goebbels propaganda blamed Poles claiming the German army invaded to protect ethnic Germans... but nobody believed that stupid shit. The world knew Hitler had promised no more territorial demands in Europe when given the Sudetenland and then wanted more and more. WWII was a war of aggression as Germany invaded democratic nation after democratic nation in Europe.

And like most who have studied history I have read Hitler's declaration of war on the United States. Pretty stupid as at that point the Wehrmacht had just been defeated at the Battle of Moscow. Germany's agreement with Japan was that Germany would aid Japan if it was attacked. So when Japan bombed Pearl Harbor Germany was not obligated to declare war on the United States. That was one of Hitler's many major blunders.... but then again no one ever said Adolf Hitler was smart.

Why are you believing Joseph Goebbels 75 year old propaganda as fact?
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My People. They are strong in my blood.

We love war.

Why would God do such a thing to a whole people?

Men sometimes need to make war.

Is there not war in heaven?

How can what happens in heaven not be felt on the Earth?

I want my German Army.

That's all.
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"At the beginning of World War I, Britain set up a blockade designed, according to one of its architects, Winston Churchill, to "starve the whole population of Germany - men, women and children, old and young, wounded and sound - into submission."


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Yes, Germany lost 2 world wars due to the British blockade. Germany couldn't challenge the Royal Navy... but they did use submarine warfare to attempt to starve Britain and sunk 5,000 merchant ships during WWI. But the British blockade proved more effective. Allied troops never invaded Germany during WWI... Germany still had to surrender because of shortages of everything from food to raw materials to manpower.

Still what does that have to do with Hitler starting WWII more than 20 years later at a time when Churchill was not in power?
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I have spoken with people who lived in Germany and surrounding countries in the 1930's-40's. You simply do NOT know the facts. Hitler did not want war nor did he start it. bolshshits invaded germany thru poland and several time butchering innocent people in villages. They war drawing hitler into war. Once hitler went into poland to defend his people, newspapers around the world state the hitler invades poland to being world conquest. All bullshit.
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What in the hell are you talking about???

At the time Germany invaded Poland, Germany and the Soviet Union had a treaty, the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact. Germany and the Soviet Union through foreign ministers Molotov and Ribbentrop worked out the division of Poland and the rest of Eastern Europe before the first shot was fired.
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I've never seen EducatedRedneck win an argument, ever.





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