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so i don't get Freemasonry. Masonic cathedrals, seem to include Christ. masons have started several christian denominations. Masonry does seem

 
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so i don't get Freemasonry. Masonic cathedrals, seem to include Christ. masons have started several christian denominations. Masonry does seem
so i don't get Freemasonry. Masonic cathedrals, seem to include Christ. masons have started several christian denominations. Masonry does seem to be christian in some aspects

but if you read morals and dogma, it's all this stuff about how christianity was made up by the Romans.

and then you hear people like Lucifer, saying the same stuff Masonry says, and they are REALLY anti christian, extremely anti christian.

and freemasons seem to do alot of anti christian stuff.

but also christian stuff, so...

hard to tell
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They infect organizations to control society. Even those like Christianity made up by the Romans. What did you think the masons were like a legitimate religion?
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Re: so i don't get Freemasonry. Masonic cathedrals, seem to include Christ. masons have started several christian denominations. Masonry does seem
What is there that is hard to tell, You catch more flies with sugar than you do with bitterness comes to mind.

Corinthians 11:14-15
And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. It is not surprising, then, if his servants also masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.

Christianity = Luminous lure on an anglerfish = Kanye West wolf in sheeps clothing



This is their Christ, if you believe that this is a statue of Jesus's father then you have another thing coming.

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Re: so i don't get Freemasonry. Masonic cathedrals, seem to include Christ. masons have started several christian denominations. Masonry does seem
Freemasonry worships LUCIFER,
the angel who fell and became
SATAN (God's Adversary).

They are EVIL inside and out,
and they masquerade as the OPPOSITE
of what they really are.

They wrap themselves in "good works"
to endear themselves and disguise
their true obective,
which is the eventual reign of Lucifer
on this earth, his
NEW WORLD ORDER.

The Book of Revelation tells you all
about how THAT is going to unfold
and be destroyed at Christ's return.


“When the Mason learns that the key to the
warrior on the block is the proper application
of the dynamo of living power, he has learned
the mystery of his craft.
The seething energies of Lucifer are in his hands
and before he may step onwards and upwards
he must prove his ability to properly
apply (this) energy.”

‘Lost Keys of Freemasonry’ page 48, Manley P Hall 33rd degree.


General Albert Pike, Grand Commander, sovereign pontiff
of universal freemasonry, giving instructions
to the 23 supreme councils of the world.

“That which we must say to the crowd is,
we worship a god, but it is the god one adores
without superstition. To you sovereign grand
inspector general, we say this and you may
repeat it to the brethren of the
32nd, 31st and 30th degrees - the Masonic religion
should be by all of us initiates
of the high degrees, maintained in the purity
of the luciferian doctrine.

If lucifer were not god, would Adonay
(the God of the Christians) whose deeds prove cruelty,
perfidy and hatred of man, barbarism and repulsion
for science, would Adonay and His priests,
calumniate Him?

Yes, lucifer is god, and unfortunately Adonay
is also God, for the eternal law is that there
is no light without shade, no beauty without
ugliness, no white without black,
for the absolute can only exist as two gods.
darkness being necessary for light to serve
as its foil, as the pedestal is necessary
to the statue, and the brake to the locomotive.

Thus, the doctrine of Satanism is heresy,
and the true and pure philosophical religion
is the belief in lucifer, the equal of Adonay,
but lucifer, god of light and god of good,
is struggling for humanity against Adonay,
the god of darkness and evil”

Recorded by A.C. De La Rive,
La Femme et L’enfant dans La Franc-Maconnerie
Universelle, Page 588. Cited from
‘The question of freemasonry,
( 2nd edition 1986 by Edward Decker pp12-14)
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Re: so i don't get Freemasonry. Masonic cathedrals, seem to include Christ. masons have started several christian denominations. Masonry does seem
One thing is absolutely certain.

The end of freemasonry and of ALL
freemasons is the LAKE OF FIRE
with their "god" lucifer,
where they will be tormented
for all eternity.

If you are in that demonic organization,
REPENT, turn to Jesus Christ for
forgiveness, and HE will wash you in
His Blood, fill you with His Holy Spirit,
write your name in His Book of Life,
and YOUR eternity will be with the
Savior of mankind and all the Redeemed
and all the Holy Angels.

You need not be cast into the Lake
with Albert Pike,
Manly Hall,
and all of the rest of LOST HUMANITY.

Jesus died to keep you OUT of that place,
if you will turn your life over to the
ONLY SAVIOR THIS WORLD IS EVER GOING TO GET.
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Re: so i don't get Freemasonry. Masonic cathedrals, seem to include Christ. masons have started several christian denominations. Masonry does seem
To be quite exact, there was Freemasonry which had it's roots in the Templar Knights, & then there was Adam Weishaupt's Illuminist movement which infiltrated it. The original Freemasonic movement gave us the American Revolution & the Rosicrucian movement. We owe our Constitution & Bill of Rights to it - America was born out of that brotherhood.

The Illuminists gave us the French Revolution & the Jacobin massacres, which later led to Napoleon & the rise of Jesuit rule & strengthened monarchies. The 2 are not one & the same. The infiltration is certainly still an ongoing battle but let's not lump all Freemasonry into the same basket.

If you think Freemasonry is the only institution under attack by Illuminists, you're living in fantasyland. They've got control of nearly all governments & banks, nearly all organized religions, etc. There are many Christians in Freemasonry but not all Freemasons are Christian. This "Luciferian doctrine" thing is a creation of Illuminism, & a wildly exaggerated & perverted doctrine that doesn't have anything to do with classical Freemasonry.
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Re: so i don't get Freemasonry. Masonic cathedrals, seem to include Christ. masons have started several christian denominations. Masonry does seem
so i don't get Freemasonry. Masonic cathedrals, seem to include Christ. masons have started several christian denominations. Masonry does seem to be christian in some aspects

but if you read morals and dogma, it's all this stuff about how christianity was made up by the Romans.

and then you hear people like Lucifer, saying the same stuff Masonry says, and they are REALLY anti christian, extremely anti christian.

and freemasons seem to do alot of anti christian stuff.

but also christian stuff, so...

hard to tell
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In what way to your mind does Freemasonry "seem to be Christian"???

Freemasonry binds together members of different religions under one authority - themselves. Making all those seemingly different men actually of one religion.
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Re: so i don't get Freemasonry. Masonic cathedrals, seem to include Christ. masons have started several christian denominations. Masonry does seem
To be quite exact, there was Freemasonry which had it's roots in the Templar Knights, & then there was Adam Weishaupt's Illuminist movement which infiltrated it. The original Freemasonic movement gave us the American Revolution & the Rosicrucian movement. We owe our Constitution & Bill of Rights to it - America was born out of that brotherhood.

The Illuminists gave us the French Revolution & the Jacobin massacres, which later led to Napoleon & the rise of Jesuit rule & strengthened monarchies. The 2 are not one & the same. The infiltration is certainly still an ongoing battle but let's not lump all Freemasonry into the same basket.

If you think Freemasonry is the only institution under attack by Illuminists, you're living in fantasyland. They've got control of nearly all governments & banks, nearly all organized religions, etc. There are many Christians in Freemasonry but not all Freemasons are Christian. This "Luciferian doctrine" thing is a creation of Illuminism, & a wildly exaggerated & perverted doctrine that doesn't have anything to do with classical Freemasonry.
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Yep I oversimplified it. Read Illuminatus it explains the whole conundrum in there.
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so i don't get Freemasonry. Masonic cathedrals, seem to include Christ. masons have started several christian denominations. Masonry does seem to be christian in some aspects

but if you read morals and dogma, it's all this stuff about how christianity was made up by the Romans.

and then you hear people like Lucifer, saying the same stuff Masonry says, and they are REALLY anti christian, extremely anti christian.

and freemasons seem to do alot of anti christian stuff.

but also christian stuff, so...

hard to tell
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Romans made up their false FORM of Babylonian Christianity, but not Christianity, Christ and the apostles (the true church) were persecuted by the Romans.

Freemasonry is a wolf in sheep's clothing, only 33 degree and above no truth, so lower levels do seem innocent, and yes they start churches in order to infiltrate true believers.
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Re: so i don't get Freemasonry. Masonic cathedrals, seem to include Christ. masons have started several christian denominations. Masonry does seem
To be quite exact, there was Freemasonry which had it's roots in the Templar Knights, & then there was Adam Weishaupt's Illuminist movement which infiltrated it. The original Freemasonic movement gave us the American Revolution & the Rosicrucian movement. We owe our Constitution & Bill of Rights to it - America was born out of that brotherhood.

The Illuminists gave us the French Revolution & the Jacobin massacres, which later led to Napoleon & the rise of Jesuit rule & strengthened monarchies. The 2 are not one & the same. The infiltration is certainly still an ongoing battle but let's not lump all Freemasonry into the same basket.

If you think Freemasonry is the only institution under attack by Illuminists, you're living in fantasyland. They've got control of nearly all governments & banks, nearly all organized religions, etc. There are many Christians in Freemasonry but not all Freemasons are Christian. This "Luciferian doctrine" thing is a creation of Illuminism, & a wildly exaggerated & perverted doctrine that doesn't have anything to do with classical Freemasonry.
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Re: so i don't get Freemasonry. Masonic cathedrals, seem to include Christ. masons have started several christian denominations. Masonry does seem
To be quite exact, there was Freemasonry which had it's roots in the Templar Knights, & then there was Adam Weishaupt's Illuminist movement which infiltrated it. The original Freemasonic movement gave us the American Revolution & the Rosicrucian movement. We owe our Constitution & Bill of Rights to it - America was born out of that brotherhood.

The Illuminists gave us the French Revolution & the Jacobin massacres, which later led to Napoleon & the rise of Jesuit rule & strengthened monarchies. The 2 are not one & the same. The infiltration is certainly still an ongoing battle but let's not lump all Freemasonry into the same basket.

If you think Freemasonry is the only institution under attack by Illuminists, you're living in fantasyland. They've got control of nearly all governments & banks, nearly all organized religions, etc. There are many Christians in Freemasonry but not all Freemasons are Christian. This "Luciferian doctrine" thing is a creation of Illuminism, & a wildly exaggerated & perverted doctrine that doesn't have anything to do with classical Freemasonry.
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And those Christians in freemasonry are deluded.
Freemasonry is a religion that denies Jesus Christ as THE way, THE truth and THE LIFE
Not one Christian member of a freemasonry lodge is free to stand up and declare that in any lodge.
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Re: so i don't get Freemasonry. Masonic cathedrals, seem to include Christ. masons have started several christian denominations. Masonry does seem
Freemasonry worships LUCIFER,
the angel who fell and became
SATAN (God's Adversary).

They are EVIL inside and out,
and they masquerade as the OPPOSITE
of what they really are.

They wrap themselves in "good works"
to endear themselves and disguise
their true obective,
which is the eventual reign of Lucifer
on this earth, his
NEW WORLD ORDER.

The Book of Revelation tells you all
about how THAT is going to unfold
and be destroyed at Christ's return.


“When the Mason learns that the key to the
warrior on the block is the proper application
of the dynamo of living power, he has learned
the mystery of his craft.
The seething energies of Lucifer are in his hands
and before he may step onwards and upwards
he must prove his ability to properly
apply (this) energy.”

‘Lost Keys of Freemasonry’ page 48, Manley P Hall 33rd degree.


General Albert Pike, Grand Commander, sovereign pontiff
of universal freemasonry, giving instructions
to the 23 supreme councils of the world.

“That which we must say to the crowd is,
we worship a god, but it is the god one adores
without superstition. To you sovereign grand
inspector general, we say this and you may
repeat it to the brethren of the
32nd, 31st and 30th degrees - the Masonic religion
should be by all of us initiates
of the high degrees, maintained in the purity
of the luciferian doctrine.

If lucifer were not god, would Adonay
(the God of the Christians) whose deeds prove cruelty,
perfidy and hatred of man, barbarism and repulsion
for science, would Adonay and His priests,
calumniate Him?

Yes, lucifer is god, and unfortunately Adonay
is also God, for the eternal law is that there
is no light without shade, no beauty without
ugliness, no white without black,
for the absolute can only exist as two gods.
darkness being necessary for light to serve
as its foil, as the pedestal is necessary
to the statue, and the brake to the locomotive.

Thus, the doctrine of Satanism is heresy,
and the true and pure philosophical religion
is the belief in lucifer, the equal of Adonay,
but lucifer, god of light and god of good,
is struggling for humanity against Adonay,
the god of darkness and evil”

Recorded by A.C. De La Rive,
La Femme et L’enfant dans La Franc-Maconnerie
Universelle, Page 588. Cited from
‘The question of freemasonry,
( 2nd edition 1986 by Edward Decker pp12-14)

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Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

Or in other words them that turn things upside down.



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Re: so i don't get Freemasonry. Masonic cathedrals, seem to include Christ. masons have started several christian denominations. Masonry does seem
Ask a Freemason why they put George Washington in the heavens three floors above his empty tomb in the Capitol building and what their religion is actually declaring with it?

George three heavens above his empty crypt???
really?
Replete with Buddhist rainbow?

They are not Christian
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Even the original tag is made in china, what a surprise.

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If you are in that demonic organization,
REPENT, turn to Jesus Christ for
forgiveness, and HE will wash you in
His Blood...
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You do realize that part about the blood came from...
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so i don't get Freemasonry. Masonic cathedrals, seem to include Christ. masons have started several christian denominations. Masonry does seem to be christian in some aspects

but if you read morals and dogma, it's all this stuff about how christianity was made up by the Romans.

and then you hear people like Lucifer, saying the same stuff Masonry says, and they are REALLY anti christian, extremely anti christian.

and freemasons seem to do alot of anti christian stuff.

but also christian stuff, so...

hard to tell
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You off your meds Op? Conversations with lucifer? Wtf?!

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Re: so i don't get Freemasonry. Masonic cathedrals, seem to include Christ. masons have started several christian denominations. Masonry does seem
When taking your oath, you have to do it on a Bible, open to a passage with a compass and square on top, your hand on top of that.

You are told if you don't believe in a higher power, you will not be accepted. The reasoning is if you don't believe in a higher power, you don't feel you need to be accountable or answer to anyone but yourself.

So I would not call them anti-christian.
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To be quite exact, there was Freemasonry which had it's roots in the Templar Knights, & then there was Adam Weishaupt's Illuminist movement which infiltrated it. The original Freemasonic movement gave us the American Revolution & the Rosicrucian movement. We owe our Constitution & Bill of Rights to it - America was born out of that brotherhood.

The Illuminists gave us the French Revolution & the Jacobin massacres, which later led to Napoleon & the rise of Jesuit rule & strengthened monarchies. The 2 are not one & the same. The infiltration is certainly still an ongoing battle but let's not lump all Freemasonry into the same basket.

If you think Freemasonry is the only institution under attack by Illuminists, you're living in fantasyland. They've got control of nearly all governments & banks, nearly all organized religions, etc. There are many Christians in Freemasonry but not all Freemasons are Christian. This "Luciferian doctrine" thing is a creation of Illuminism, & a wildly exaggerated & perverted doctrine that doesn't have anything to do with classical Freemasonry.
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And those Christians in freemasonry are deluded.
Freemasonry is a religion that denies Jesus Christ as THE way, THE truth and THE LIFE
Not one Christian member of a freemasonry lodge is free to stand up and declare that in any lodge.
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Bullshit. However things may be different in the UK.
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Re: so i don't get Freemasonry. Masonic cathedrals, seem to include Christ. masons have started several christian denominations. Masonry does seem
To be quite exact, there was Freemasonry which had it's roots in the Templar Knights, & then there was Adam Weishaupt's Illuminist movement which infiltrated it. The original Freemasonic movement gave us the American Revolution & the Rosicrucian movement. We owe our Constitution & Bill of Rights to it - America was born out of that brotherhood.

The Illuminists gave us the French Revolution & the Jacobin massacres, which later led to Napoleon & the rise of Jesuit rule & strengthened monarchies. The 2 are not one & the same. The infiltration is certainly still an ongoing battle but let's not lump all Freemasonry into the same basket.

If you think Freemasonry is the only institution under attack by Illuminists, you're living in fantasyland. They've got control of nearly all governments & banks, nearly all organized religions, etc. There are many Christians in Freemasonry but not all Freemasons are Christian. This "Luciferian doctrine" thing is a creation of Illuminism, & a wildly exaggerated & perverted doctrine that doesn't have anything to do with classical Freemasonry.
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And those Christians in freemasonry are deluded.
Freemasonry is a religion that denies Jesus Christ as THE way, THE truth and THE LIFE
Not one Christian member of a freemasonry lodge is free to stand up and declare that in any lodge.
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Freemasonry is not a religion.

There probably are some evil people in freemasons, just as there are evil people in churches.

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One thing is absolutely certain.

The end of freemasonry and of ALL
freemasons is the LAKE OF FIRE
with their "god" lucifer,
where they will be tormented
for all eternity.

If you are in that demonic organization,
REPENT, turn to Jesus Christ for
forgiveness, and HE will wash you in
His Blood, fill you with His Holy Spirit,
write your name in His Book of Life,
and YOUR eternity will be with the
Savior of mankind and all the Redeemed
and all the Holy Angels.

You need not be cast into the Lake
with Albert Pike,
Manly Hall,
and all of the rest of LOST HUMANITY.

Jesus died to keep you OUT of that place,
if you will turn your life over to the
ONLY SAVIOR THIS WORLD IS EVER GOING TO GET.

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AMEN BROTHER
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When taking your oath, you have to do it on a Bible, open to a passage with a compass and square on top, your hand on top of that.

You are told if you don't believe in a higher power, you will not be accepted. The reasoning is if you don't believe in a higher power, you don't feel you need to be accountable or answer to anyone but yourself.

So I would not call them anti-christian.
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You must be low-level Freemason. I knew grandson and also on another occassion brother of Freemason, and they knew all about it, not Christian, all about controlling the governments and people.

The one who had several brothers that were Freemasons all were in HIGH, HIGH levels of government in South America, won't say where, but all true.
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When taking your oath, you have to do it on a Bible, open to a passage with a compass and square on top, your hand on top of that.

You are told if you don't believe in a higher power, you will not be accepted. The reasoning is if you don't believe in a higher power, you don't feel you need to be accountable or answer to anyone but yourself.

So I would not call them anti-christian.
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You must be low-level Freemason. I knew grandson and also on another occassion brother of Freemason, and they knew all about it, not Christian, all about controlling the governments and people.

The one who had several brothers that were Freemasons all were in HIGH, HIGH levels of government in South America, won't say where, but all true.
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Oh, these were all 33rd degree that I'm talking about.
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When taking your oath, you have to do it on a Bible, open to a passage with a compass and square on top, your hand on top of that.

You are told if you don't believe in a higher power, you will not be accepted. The reasoning is if you don't believe in a higher power, you don't feel you need to be accountable or answer to anyone but yourself.

So I would not call them anti-christian.
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You must be low-level Freemason. I knew grandson and also on another occassion brother of Freemason, and they knew all about it, not Christian, all about controlling the governments and people.

The one who had several brothers that were Freemasons all were in HIGH, HIGH levels of government in South America, won't say where, but all true.
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Oh, these were all 33rd degree that I'm talking about.
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LOL you're so full of shit. I love how everyone comes on here 'having a relative who's in the know'...and of course...all 33rd degree Masons.
Go larp somewhere else - YouTube videos don't make you an expert.
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Re: so i don't get Freemasonry. Masonic cathedrals, seem to include Christ. masons have started several christian denominations. Masonry does seem
To be quite exact, there was Freemasonry which had it's roots in the Templar Knights, & then there was Adam Weishaupt's Illuminist movement which infiltrated it. The original Freemasonic movement gave us the American Revolution & the Rosicrucian movement. We owe our Constitution & Bill of Rights to it - America was born out of that brotherhood.

The Illuminists gave us the French Revolution & the Jacobin massacres, which later led to Napoleon & the rise of Jesuit rule & strengthened monarchies. The 2 are not one & the same. The infiltration is certainly still an ongoing battle but let's not lump all Freemasonry into the same basket.

If you think Freemasonry is the only institution under attack by Illuminists, you're living in fantasyland. They've got control of nearly all governments & banks, nearly all organized religions, etc. There are many Christians in Freemasonry but not all Freemasons are Christian. This "Luciferian doctrine" thing is a creation of Illuminism, & a wildly exaggerated & perverted doctrine that doesn't have anything to do with classical Freemasonry.
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And those Christians in freemasonry are deluded.
Freemasonry is a religion that denies Jesus Christ as THE way, THE truth and THE LIFE
Not one Christian member of a freemasonry lodge is free to stand up and declare that in any lodge.
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This! Right here. This is exactly what I'm talking about. This isn't Christianity talking - it's a Church doctrine infected with the lies of Illuminism. Don't take what I said personal. It doesn't make you any less a good Christian, but rather someone misled by deceivers.

You should carefully read the writings of Martin Luther & study the conflicts occuring in those days in the words of the people who lived it. Freemasonry IS NOT a religion despite the lies to the contrary. The Illuminists who've attempted to co-opt it may try to pretend it is, but that's part of their subversion plot. Freemasonry was a common interest in which people of different religions could meet peacefully & set aside those differences. Thus, one is not permitted to push a religion. A person's faith is expressed in who they are, & not so much in what they say. Anyone joining Freemasonry to evangelize is violating the spirit of that organization.

Classical Freemasonry concerns itself strictly with one thing - the building of King Solomon's temple. That mystery isn't the sole province of just Christianity. Judaism & Islam share that common origin found in all Abrahamic faiths. There is no denial of Christianity in Freemasonry - nor is there any prerequisite one be Christian. It's a total non-issue.

I know nothing I say will make a dent in those beliefs of yours. The Illuminists wasted no time infiltrating the Protestant movement & sewing this kind of hatred into it. When hating people becomes a "Christian" article of faith in any religion, it's safe to say those people lost the plot. Do you think Christ would speak as you do?
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Re: so i don't get Freemasonry. Masonic cathedrals, seem to include Christ. masons have started several christian denominations. Masonry does seem
When taking your oath, you have to do it on a Bible, open to a passage with a compass and square on top, your hand on top of that.

You are told if you don't believe in a higher power, you will not be accepted. The reasoning is if you don't believe in a higher power, you don't feel you need to be accountable or answer to anyone but yourself.

So I would not call them anti-christian.
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You must be low-level Freemason. I knew grandson and also on another occassion brother of Freemason, and they knew all about it, not Christian, all about controlling the governments and people.

The one who had several brothers that were Freemasons all were in HIGH, HIGH levels of government in South America, won't say where, but all true.
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Oh, these were all 33rd degree that I'm talking about.
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LOL you're so full of shit. I love how everyone comes on here 'having a relative who's in the know'...and of course...all 33rd degree Masons.
Go larp somewhere else - YouTube videos don't make you an expert.
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Nope, you full of shit, I didn't even know what a Freemason was until the grandson of a 33rd level told me how his dad said to stay away and they're a bad group, got me intrigued, so then I started researching.

Years later, another friend who had the high level gov brothers, somehow subject came up and he offered up that they're high level freemason, so no surprise.

You must work for them, to get so over the top angry, go fetch ya 3.5 now.
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Liberal are the satanic cult speaking of love but destroying family live hoods and society
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To be quite exact, there was Freemasonry which had it's roots in the Templar Knights, & then there was Adam Weishaupt's Illuminist movement which infiltrated it. The original Freemasonic movement gave us the American Revolution & the Rosicrucian movement. We owe our Constitution & Bill of Rights to it - America was born out of that brotherhood.

The Illuminists gave us the French Revolution & the Jacobin massacres, which later led to Napoleon & the rise of Jesuit rule & strengthened monarchies. The 2 are not one & the same. The infiltration is certainly still an ongoing battle but let's not lump all Freemasonry into the same basket.

If you think Freemasonry is the only institution under attack by Illuminists, you're living in fantasyland. They've got control of nearly all governments & banks, nearly all organized religions, etc. There are many Christians in Freemasonry but not all Freemasons are Christian. This "Luciferian doctrine" thing is a creation of Illuminism, & a wildly exaggerated & perverted doctrine that doesn't have anything to do with classical Freemasonry.
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And those Christians in freemasonry are deluded.
Freemasonry is a religion that denies Jesus Christ as THE way, THE truth and THE LIFE
Not one Christian member of a freemasonry lodge is free to stand up and declare that in any lodge.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33469749


This! Right here. This is exactly what I'm talking about. This isn't Christianity talking - it's a Church doctrine infected with the lies of Illuminism. Don't take what I said personal. It doesn't make you any less a good Christian, but rather someone misled by deceivers.

You should carefully read the writings of Martin Luther & study the conflicts occuring in those days in the words of the people who lived it. Freemasonry IS NOT a religion despite the lies to the contrary. The Illuminists who've attempted to co-opt it may try to pretend it is, but that's part of their subversion plot. Freemasonry was a common interest in which people of different religions could meet peacefully & set aside those differences. Thus, one is not permitted to push a religion. A person's faith is expressed in who they are, & not so much in what they say. Anyone joining Freemasonry to evangelize is violating the spirit of that organization.

Classical Freemasonry concerns itself strictly with one thing - the building of King Solomon's temple. That mystery isn't the sole province of just Christianity. Judaism & Islam share that common origin found in all Abrahamic faiths. There is no denial of Christianity in Freemasonry - nor is there any prerequisite one be Christian. It's a total non-issue.

I know nothing I say will make a dent in those beliefs of yours. The Illuminists wasted no time infiltrating the Protestant movement & sewing this kind of hatred into it. When hating people becomes a "Christian" article of faith in any religion, it's safe to say those people lost the plot. Do you think Christ would speak as you do?
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Oh stop with yet more of your lies.
Freemasonry is a religion
Alter - church - Koran bible etc on their ALTERS
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"Freemasonry was a common interest in which people of different religions could meet peacefully & set aside those differences. "



I'm laughing so hard.

Please tell us why you have an alter in your "lodges"?

The only difference you set aside in freemasonry IS JESUS CHRIST AS LORD AND SAVIOUR
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"Freemasonry was a common interest in which people of different religions could meet peacefully & set aside those differences. "

There is NO PEACE by casting the truth out the door.
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They built most abrahamic temples it seems and jealously guard the secret of the "g" squaring it off from the rest of humanity. We are the body of god and they know this, but they use that knowledge combined with the ignorance of those left in the dark to their own benefits. They ultimately serve the crown and rothschilds.





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