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The Edmund Fitzgerald did not sink - Insurance Fraud, crisis actors...

 
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The Edmund Fitzgerald did not sink - Insurance Fraud, crisis actors...
Fake song to sell the narrative. Lightfoot connected and likely aware to help push the narrative.

Check out the latest/search for Miles mathis updates. Interesting read.
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You sure.

[link to media.mlive.com]
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Can I get a refund on my album?
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Can I get a refund on my album?
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I seriously doubt it since you're the only person who actually bought the album
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Re: The Edmund Fitzgerald did not sink - Insurance Fraud, crisis actors...
best way to commit that kind of fraud is to actually sink the ship
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OP?

How familiar are you with the lake?

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Re: The Edmund Fitzgerald did not sink - Insurance Fraud, crisis actors...
How familiar with it am I?

Eh, I mean I'm from Michigan. I've heard the tales. I've not been there.

But I'm not the one to have a debate with on this, as I'm only offering you the information. I have no attachment to it one way or the other.

As for pictures of the wreckage I would invite you to take them with caution.

I'm guessing nobody has gone and read the article? I might discuss this with people who have clearly read the article but otherwise, if you're not interested, neither am I.
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This is interesting, enjoy:

[link to mileswmathis.com]
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Re: The Edmund Fitzgerald did not sink - Insurance Fraud, crisis actors...
I like Miles Mathis but I think he overthought this one.

"The ship left port as the Edmund Fitzgerald and arrived at port as the Arthur M. Anderson."
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I like Miles Mathis but I think he overthought this one.

"The ship left port as the Edmund Fitzgerald and arrived at port as the Arthur M. Anderson."
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As a single sentence it sounds far fetched, but in the context of the whole piece, a lot less so. Still all very fishy, as usual.
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I like Miles Mathis but I think he overthought this one.

"The ship left port as the Edmund Fitzgerald and arrived at port as the Arthur M. Anderson."
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He didn't write this one, it's a guest, however, he seems to have gone over it thoroughly and added commentary when necessary.
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Re: The Edmund Fitzgerald did not sink - Insurance Fraud, crisis actors...
It's mostly Bullshit OP

I was there in Chippewa County MI on that day which was Nov 10th not the 9th. I remember it all too well as that storm almost killed me also.

That pdf article posted has so many mistakes in it I don't know where to go after giving the correct date.

But there were problems with the Fitz and they may have been known that those problems could have doomed her from making it through such a storm.

Personally I do think she bottomed out on the reef.

One thing I'll never forget is the calls that went out over the emergency frequencies at the Cloverland power plant office as I thawed out that early evening after my long walk to safety through that ice and snow Hurricane wind, it took weeks for my frost bit face to heal yet I was one of the lucky ones as 20+ hunters and fishermen also died that day Nov. 10th 1975 in that storm.
Farewell American Samoa, the "last stop of today and just a stones throw from tomorrow"and with that said and done I stood up, standing at the end of the day and walked boldly onward into tomorrow and to the given day of rest.
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So the bell and other artifacts at the Great lakes Shipwreck Museum are fakes? I purchased the album too!
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Re: The Edmund Fitzgerald did not sink - Insurance Fraud, crisis actors...
It's mostly Bullshit OP

I was there in Chippewa County MI on that day which was Nov 10th not the 9th. I remember it all too well as that storm almost killed me also.

That pdf article posted has so many mistakes in it I don't know where to go after giving the correct date.

But there were problems with the Fitz and they may have been known that those problems could have doomed her from making it through such a storm.

Personally I do think she bottomed out on the reef.

One thing I'll never forget is the calls that went out over the emergency frequencies at the Cloverland power plant office as I thawed out that early evening after my long walk to safety through that ice and snow Hurricane wind, it took weeks for my frost bit face to heal yet I was one of the lucky ones as 20+ hunters and fishermen also died that day Nov. 10th 1975 in that storm.
 Quoting: Michael.


Hmmm. Being more or less neutral on the topic, I find myself uncommitted to the conspiracy theory. The "information" in the article seems to be hard-wired to the internet, which would provide questionable links like the pictures of the victims etc.

More cross-checking and deep diving (pun intended) than I care to do.

Miles has maybe gotten a little lax in separating fact from speculation.
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Re: The Edmund Fitzgerald did not sink - Insurance Fraud, crisis actors...
It's mostly Bullshit OP

I was there in Chippewa County MI on that day which was Nov 10th not the 9th. I remember it all too well as that storm almost killed me also.

That pdf article posted has so many mistakes in it I don't know where to go after giving the correct date.

But there were problems with the Fitz and they may have been known that those problems could have doomed her from making it through such a storm.

Personally I do think she bottomed out on the reef.

One thing I'll never forget is the calls that went out over the emergency frequencies at the Cloverland power plant office as I thawed out that early evening after my long walk to safety through that ice and snow Hurricane wind, it took weeks for my frost bit face to heal yet I was one of the lucky ones as 20+ hunters and fishermen also died that day Nov. 10th 1975 in that storm.
 Quoting: Michael.


Hmmm. Being more or less neutral on the topic, I find myself uncommitted to the conspiracy theory. The "information" in the article seems to be hard-wired to the internet, which would provide questionable links like the pictures of the victims etc.

More cross-checking and deep diving (pun intended) than I care to do.

Miles has maybe gotten a little lax in separating fact from speculation.
 Quoting: The_Meridian


Here's one for you to think about:
How does a 728 foot Ore Carrier (The Fitz) become a 647 foot Freighter (Anderson) over night? That had to be one hella big chopshop to do the work so quickly!

Last Edited by Michael. on 12/02/2019 07:56 PM
Farewell American Samoa, the "last stop of today and just a stones throw from tomorrow"and with that said and done I stood up, standing at the end of the day and walked boldly onward into tomorrow and to the given day of rest.
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Re: The Edmund Fitzgerald did not sink - Insurance Fraud, crisis actors...
Wanna bet?

When I was a teenager me and my mom went to the tiny little maritime museum in Algoma, or maybe it was Kewaunee (WI). While we were in there we saw a man and his young son and my mom started talking with them and the dad told my mom that he was supposed to be on that ship that day but called in sick, and he brought his little son to the museum to explain it to him. The boy was like 5 or 6 years old.

They must have been crisis actors back in "77.
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Re: The Edmund Fitzgerald did not sink - Insurance Fraud, crisis actors...
It's mostly Bullshit OP

I was there in Chippewa County MI on that day which was Nov 10th not the 9th. I remember it all too well as that storm almost killed me also.

That pdf article posted has so many mistakes in it I don't know where to go after giving the correct date.

But there were problems with the Fitz and they may have been known that those problems could have doomed her from making it through such a storm.

Personally I do think she bottomed out on the reef.

One thing I'll never forget is the calls that went out over the emergency frequencies at the Cloverland power plant office as I thawed out that early evening after my long walk to safety through that ice and snow Hurricane wind, it took weeks for my frost bit face to heal yet I was one of the lucky ones as 20+ hunters and fishermen also died that day Nov. 10th 1975 in that storm.
 Quoting: Michael.



Storm predictions in 1975 were in their infancy as well, this one caught everyone by surprise. Also the waves on the lakes in high winds are vastly different than the oceans. Waves are higher due to the shallow waters and after several hours waves are rebounding back in different directions from islands and shorelines. I saw a documentary showing the waves on superior and Michigan develop into an almost square checkerboard pattern where you can't point the bow against the oncoming waves. Some of the Fitzgeralds cargo hatches also dislodged and water came in. She bottomed out in 80 feet of water where she should not have been with her stern and the hull snapped flooding the ship. Sad story.
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Re: The Edmund Fitzgerald did not sink - Insurance Fraud, crisis actors...
Wanna bet?

When I was a teenager me and my mom went to the tiny little maritime museum in Algoma, or maybe it was Kewaunee (WI). While we were in there we saw a man and his young son and my mom started talking with them and the dad told my mom that he was supposed to be on that ship that day but called in sick, and he brought his little son to the museum to explain it to him. The boy was like 5 or 6 years old.

They must have been crisis actors back in "77.
 Quoting: Annie Oakley


I mean Devil's Advocate here: Someone who wasn't on the ship wouldn't be one of the crisis actors now, would they?

That said, whatever, you know? I'm not married to it.
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Re: The Edmund Fitzgerald did not sink - Insurance Fraud, crisis actors...
This thread is fake.

OP is just trying to cash in on an attention settlement.
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Its CGI.

Uh huh.
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Re: The Edmund Fitzgerald did not sink - Insurance Fraud, crisis actors...
How about the Discovery channel program many years so 6 which showed video of the deeply submerged vessel underwater?

Was that faked as well?

Just saying, as anything it's possible.
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Re: The Edmund Fitzgerald did not sink - Insurance Fraud, crisis actors...
Wanna bet?

When I was a teenager me and my mom went to the tiny little maritime museum in Algoma, or maybe it was Kewaunee (WI). While we were in there we saw a man and his young son and my mom started talking with them and the dad told my mom that he was supposed to be on that ship that day but called in sick, and he brought his little son to the museum to explain it to him. The boy was like 5 or 6 years old.

They must have been crisis actors back in "77.
 Quoting: Annie Oakley


I mean Devil's Advocate here: Someone who wasn't on the ship

wouldn't be one of the crisis actors

now, would they?

That said, whatever, you know? I'm not married to it.
 Quoting: The_Meridian


How about we throw you in the lake and you can paddle around and pretend you didn't drown.
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Re: The Edmund Fitzgerald did not sink - Insurance Fraud, crisis actors...
It's mostly Bullshit OP

I was there in Chippewa County MI on that day which was Nov 10th not the 9th. I remember it all too well as that storm almost killed me also.

That pdf article posted has so many mistakes in it I don't know where to go after giving the correct date.

But there were problems with the Fitz and they may have been known that those problems could have doomed her from making it through such a storm.

Personally I do think she bottomed out on the reef.

One thing I'll never forget is the calls that went out over the emergency frequencies at the Cloverland power plant office as I thawed out that early evening after my long walk to safety through that ice and snow Hurricane wind, it took weeks for my frost bit face to heal yet I was one of the lucky ones as 20+ hunters and fishermen also died that day Nov. 10th 1975 in that storm.
 Quoting: Michael.



Storm predictions in 1975 were in their infancy as well, this one caught everyone by surprise. Also the waves on the lakes in high winds are vastly different than the oceans. Waves are higher due to the shallow waters and after several hours waves are rebounding back in different directions from islands and shorelines. I saw a documentary showing the waves on superior and Michigan develop into an almost square checkerboard pattern where you can't point the bow against the oncoming waves. Some of the Fitzgeralds cargo hatches also dislodged and water came in. She bottomed out in 80 feet of water where she should not have been with her stern and the hull snapped flooding the ship. Sad story.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77027865


Yes it caught me by surprise went out hunting that morning on a beautiful day that turned quickly into a Bitch of a storm.

My story about that storm is here on GLP:

Thread: 44 years past 11/10/1975; For the Edmund Fitzgerald and her crew.
Farewell American Samoa, the "last stop of today and just a stones throw from tomorrow"and with that said and done I stood up, standing at the end of the day and walked boldly onward into tomorrow and to the given day of rest.
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How about we throw you in the lake and you can paddle around and pretend you didn't drown.
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I'm not sure how that proves or disproves the cats at the Museum?

Sounds like you're getting emotional because you feel like you have a personal connection because this amazing thing happend to you at the Museum.

Take a deep breath, calm your tits, and realize I said I was playing Devil's Advocate. Do you know what that means?
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How about we throw you in the lake and you can paddle around and pretend you didn't drown.
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I'm not sure how that proves or disproves the cats at the Museum?

Sounds like you're getting emotional because you feel like you have a personal connection because this amazing thing happend to you at the Museum.

Take a deep breath, calm your tits, and realize I said I was playing Devil's Advocate. Do you know what that means?
 Quoting: The_Meridian


Um, that wasn't me.

Wow. You're psycho.
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Can I get a refund on my album?
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I seriously doubt it since you're the only person who actually bought the album
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I haven't bought the album but I've been to Whitefish Bay, which the fishermen say they would have made, if they'd put ten more miles behind her.

and I've bought tickets to one of his concerts, but here's the kicker...

My grade 8 music teacher was a psycho whore who told us a lot of blatant lies, but this one had the ring of truth:

She said she had "dated" Gordon Lightfoot, and that "he was a crude man."

When I got older, I realized that "dated" meant "fucked" and "he was a crude man" meant "anal".
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How about we throw you in the lake and you can paddle around and pretend you didn't drown.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7184195


I'm not sure how that proves or disproves the cats at the Museum?

Sounds like you're getting emotional because you feel like you have a personal connection because this amazing thing happend to you at the Museum.

Take a deep breath, calm your tits, and realize I said I was playing Devil's Advocate. Do you know what that means?
 Quoting: The_Meridian


Um, that wasn't me.

Wow. You're psycho.
 Quoting: Annie Oakley


Wow, you rush to judgment. Sorry I got confused by who posted what.

If the shoe doesn't fit, maybe assume there was a simple mistake?

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Can I get a refund on my album?
 Quoting: Teslahowitzer 74681877


I seriously doubt it since you're the only person who actually bought the album
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76509910


I haven't bought the album but I've been to Whitefish Bay, which the fishermen say they would have made, if they'd put ten more miles behind her.

and I've bought tickets to one of his concerts, but here's the kicker...

My grade 8 music teacher was a psycho whore who told us a lot of blatant lies, but this one had the ring of truth:

She said she had "dated" Gordon Lightfoot, and that "he was a crude man."

When I got older, I realized that "dated" meant "fucked" and "he was a crude man" meant "anal".
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77999704


If you listen to the 1yrics of "Sundown" which is such a tranquil, beautiful song...the lyrics are kind of opposite.

"She's a hard lovin woman got me feeling mean" Geez, Gord..maybe ease off of the Maple Syrup ya know?
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