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Happy December 7th: Pearl Harbor Was A False Flag Using US-Trained Chinese Pilots

 
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Clue:

With all options closed out, Olga and Harvey [Greenlaw] washed up in Hong Kong. Here Claire Chennault found them on July 17, 1941, as he was returning to Kunming to prepare a training base for the newly authorized 1st American Volunteer Group of fighter planes and pilots. Chennault had spent the winter and spring in the United States, organizing a volunteer air force to defend China from Japanese aggression, and eventually carry the war to “the wood and paper cities of Japan.” With a coterie of Chinese and American lobbyists, he persuaded the Roosevelt administration to finance, equip, and provide pilots and ground crews for a bomber group and two fighter groups, totaling 250 airplanes and 1,000 men. In the end, however, only the 1st AVG would see combat; the others were aborted by the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor in December.

250 airplanes. 1,000 men.

Most of whose ops were "suddenly aborted."

Guess what they really did.
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One thing that you can do--and should--is follow the serial numbers.

The thing about these Chennault-vs-State Dept. battles is that they were very heated, ergo very reckless at times.

When Claire and his teams snatched up batches of planes, paperwork was generated. When these planes "disappeared due to being aborted" something had to be done to try and launder the planes identities.

The thing is that immediately post-Pearl (and even leading up to it) people were moving VERY fast. They couldn't (and no man can) perfectly cover all steps and suppress all evidence). The military in fact makes such a thing extremely difficult, by definition, due to the incredible amount of bureaucratic paperwork required in a normal day's work.

You can find the "Japanese" Pearl planes - you just have to look. A newspapers.com subscription helps.
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My grandpa was a missionary on Ni'ihau and he said 13 Japanese planes landed a dry lakebed there and within several hours were gone again, but two couldn't take off and the pilots eventually got so hungry the had to come into town. But they couldn't speak Japanese to the Japanese-Hawai'ians who lived on the island. Funny that. One of the pilots died. The islanders tried to find out who he was and the Japanese-speaking islanders said he had Chinese papers not Japanese. So this fits with what some of you are saying here.
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My grandpa was a missionary on Ni'ihau and he said 13 Japanese planes landed a dry lakebed there and within several hours were gone again, but two couldn't take off and the pilots eventually got so hungry the had to come into town. But they couldn't speak Japanese to the Japanese-Hawai'ians who lived on the island. Funny that. One of the pilots died. The islanders tried to find out who he was and the Japanese-speaking islanders said he had Chinese papers not Japanese. So this fits with what some of you are saying here.
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Jesus christ you need to write that up. Seriously. I've heard of Niihau incidents but NEVER heard of that many planes. I've heard of "one" or sometimes "two." One or both crashed (why???) and the USN/USMC came in and lost their nut trying to get the airframes carted away, which they did with at least one. But I've never heard thirteen.
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My grandpa was a missionary on Ni'ihau and he said 13 Japanese planes landed a dry lakebed there and within several hours were gone again, but two couldn't take off and the pilots eventually got so hungry the had to come into town. But they couldn't speak Japanese to the Japanese-Hawai'ians who lived on the island. Funny that. One of the pilots died. The islanders tried to find out who he was and the Japanese-speaking islanders said he had Chinese papers not Japanese. So this fits with what some of you are saying here.
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Jesus christ you need to write that up. Seriously. I've heard of Niihau incidents but NEVER heard of that many planes. I've heard of "one" or sometimes "two." One or both crashed (why???) and the USN/USMC came in and lost their nut trying to get the airframes carted away, which they did with at least one. But I've never heard thirteen.
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I'm not doubting you btw. Just want to hear more if you know any more.
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All the Pacific Fleet was ordered

docked by 12-7-41 at Pearl and

all Sailors ordered to shore

leave. Guns unattended!

WW II starts thanks

to FDR and the Deep

State. Depression

ended.

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And just as importantly, the most important ships--including carriers--were ordered to "undisclosed locations" some miles away from Pearl. It was from these ships that the attack was launched.

J. Edgar Hoover heard whiffs of this and tried frantically to get in on the action. He sent covert radio operatives to Pearl weeks before December 7 to set up a new kind of radio network that could communicate secretly and directly with several stations stateside.
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Disagree that the carriers at sea "launched" the attack. My father was on the USS Lexington that day. True, the carriers had been sent out of Pearl a week before the attack. But had they been involved in sending planes to bomb Pearl and kill their friends in port?, didn't happen. My dad would have spent the rest of his 97 years screaming from the rooftops to expose this if true. But yes, FDR knew of and welcomed impending attack (read Stinnett's excellent book Day of Deceit) in order to generate American support for US going to war in Europe. It was a set up.
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It was a set up indeed. The pilots were not Japanese and did not come from Japanese ships. They were Asian though. With all due respect to your dad I doubt he personally interviewed any "Japanese" pilots. Any plane can be painted. And was.
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You're correct, he never spoke to any Japanese pilots and certainly planes can be painted to disguise their true identity. But I do not believe any of them took off from USN carriers at sea. Seems there would have been far too many people on all sides (US, Japan, China and other countries) to have kept this a secret for 78 years.
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When I went to get breakfast at the grocery story this morning there were a bunch of WWII and Korea vets collecting donations for the local VFW. Guess what - they agree with you.

I've always suspected 12-7 was NOT Japanese in origin. Read Stinnett's excellent Day of Deceit. The evidence of US knowledge is overwhelming.

Unlike Stinnett, I don't believe the Japanese were anywhere near Oahu. Too much evidences pointing to those "Zeros" being launched from USN boats. Never mind the J. Edgar Hoover bullshit component.
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If you ever visit Hawai'i or live there as I did, try to go to the KoliKoli Pass--the place where the japs flew in to bomb Pearl Harbor. Once you SEE it--and the base Schofield Barracks you will know immediately there is NO WAY japs flew in unobserved. Was one of my very first red pills--standing out there and actually seeing the configurations / where everything actually was and the path the planes would have taken--there is no way they did that unobserved. Pearl Harbor was 10/10 a FF operation to get us into WWII with the full blessing of the sheeple who were so enraged they signed up enmasse to become cannon fodder for the US gov. Our poor lads were tricked into marching to their deaths.
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You're correct, he never spoke to any Japanese pilots and certainly planes can be painted to disguise their true identity. But I do not believe any of them took off from USN carriers at sea. Seems there would have been far too many people on all sides (US, Japan, China and other countries) to have kept this a secret for 78 years.
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The great thing about using Taiwanese pilots is that no one here would have any natural connection to them, and no pilot would have ANY incentive to say, "Hey, I'm a Taiwanese person who blew up our allies and blamed it on the Japanese."

It didn't take that many guys, and decades of "Pearl Harbor heroes" talk easily dissuades authors and researchers from working to hard to buck the system, with a few blessed exceptions.

Many now rightly understand that we knew an attack was coming; the final lie is that it wasn't the Japanese.
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When I went to get breakfast at the grocery story this morning there were a bunch of WWII and Korea vets collecting donations for the local VFW. Guess what - they agree with you.

I've always suspected 12-7 was NOT Japanese in origin. Read Stinnett's excellent Day of Deceit. The evidence of US knowledge is overwhelming.

Unlike Stinnett, I don't believe the Japanese were anywhere near Oahu. Too much evidences pointing to those "Zeros" being launched from USN boats. Never mind the J. Edgar Hoover bullshit component.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74721755


If you ever visit Hawai'i or live there as I did, try to go to the KoliKoli Pass--the place where the japs flew in to bomb Pearl Harbor. Once you SEE it--and the base Schofield Barracks you will know immediately there is NO WAY japs flew in unobserved. Was one of my very first red pills--standing out there and actually seeing the configurations / where everything actually was and the path the planes would have taken--there is no way they did that unobserved. Pearl Harbor was 10/10 a FF operation to get us into WWII with the full blessing of the sheeple who were so enraged they signed up enmasse to become cannon fodder for the US gov. Our poor lads were tricked into marching to their deaths.
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So interesting, AC. Yeah - one of the weakest points of the story is the direction the planes supposedly approached from.
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clue - Arizona wasn't sunk by "Japanese aircraft"

Look deeper
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I've heard the Japanese minisub theory; my thing is I don't think they were Japanese sadly.
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It was the Japanese, but they were goaded into playing their role for the International players behind the scenes.
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That's the Level II story. The one designed to siphon off the remainder of public opinion.

Level I is "Oswald did it/Pearl was the Japs."
Level II is "Grassy knoll/Pearl was FDR goading the Japs."
Level III/IV is where the real story is.

The strike on Pearl itself wasn't the Japanese.
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So who was it that bombed Clark field in the Philippines on the same damned day?
And why did the Japs take credit?
And why have archaeological investigations found expended Japanese munitions, projectiles, bombs and torpedoes, all around Pearl Harbor?
Why have the wreckage of Japanese planes shot down during the attack been found?
Why did a Japanese military sub wash up on a beach a day or so later?
Why was a Japanese mini sub found just where the crew of a US destroyer said they sunk one just before the attack?
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I've heard the Japanese minisub theory; my thing is I don't think they were Japanese sadly.
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It was the Japanese, but they were goaded into playing their role for the International players behind the scenes.
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That's the Level II story. The one designed to siphon off the remainder of public opinion.

Level I is "Oswald did it/Pearl was the Japs."
Level II is "Grassy knoll/Pearl was FDR goading the Japs."
Level III/IV is where the real story is.

The strike on Pearl itself wasn't the Japanese.
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So who was it that bombed Clark field in the Philippines on the same damned day?
And why did the Japs take credit?
And why have archaeological investigations found expended Japanese munitions, projectiles, bombs and torpedoes, all around Pearl Harbor?
Why have the wreckage of Japanese planes shot down during the attack been found?
Why did a Japanese military sub wash up on a beach a day or so later?
Why was a Japanese mini sub found just where the crew of a US destroyer said they sunk one just before the attack?
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Fifty-five Japanese airmen were killed and 29 of their aircraft were shot down in the attack, while 2,400 US service members died. No Japanese remains have been found at Pearl Harbor since the second world war.

[link to www.theguardian.com (secure)]

Weird, eh?
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A Japanese sailor was captured.

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All that hogwash about the Japanese's "special brilliant new wooden fins" that supposedly enabled torpedoes overcome the insurmountable problem of magically overcoming downward inertial to turn and strike a shallow-water ship instead of smashing into the harbor floor first.

That was just to cover up the fact that the torpedoes came from subs, not aircraft.
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It was the Japanese, but they were goaded into playing their role for the International players behind the scenes.
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That's the Level II story. The one designed to siphon off the remainder of public opinion.

Level I is "Oswald did it/Pearl was the Japs."
Level II is "Grassy knoll/Pearl was FDR goading the Japs."
Level III/IV is where the real story is.

The strike on Pearl itself wasn't the Japanese.
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So who was it that bombed Clark field in the Philippines on the same damned day?
And why did the Japs take credit?
And why have archaeological investigations found expended Japanese munitions, projectiles, bombs and torpedoes, all around Pearl Harbor?
Why have the wreckage of Japanese planes shot down during the attack been found?
Why did a Japanese military sub wash up on a beach a day or so later?
Why was a Japanese mini sub found just where the crew of a US destroyer said they sunk one just before the attack?
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Fifty-five Japanese airmen were killed and 29 of their aircraft were shot down in the attack, while 2,400 US service members died. No Japanese remains have been found at Pearl Harbor since the second world war.

[link to www.theguardian.com (secure)]

Weird, eh?
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bodies were found and buried want to see one?

here [link to qph.fs.quoracdn.net (secure)]
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All that hogwash about the Japanese's "special brilliant new wooden fins" that supposedly enabled torpedoes overcome the insurmountable problem of magically overcoming downward inertial to turn and strike a shallow-water ship instead of smashing into the harbor floor first.

That was just to cover up the fact that the torpedoes came from subs, not aircraft.
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The Kyoban stabilizer dated from 1936, and worked. Here is a photo showing it in use.
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That's the Level II story. The one designed to siphon off the remainder of public opinion.

Level I is "Oswald did it/Pearl was the Japs."
Level II is "Grassy knoll/Pearl was FDR goading the Japs."
Level III/IV is where the real story is.

The strike on Pearl itself wasn't the Japanese.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77067311


So who was it that bombed Clark field in the Philippines on the same damned day?
And why did the Japs take credit?
And why have archaeological investigations found expended Japanese munitions, projectiles, bombs and torpedoes, all around Pearl Harbor?
Why have the wreckage of Japanese planes shot down during the attack been found?
Why did a Japanese military sub wash up on a beach a day or so later?
Why was a Japanese mini sub found just where the crew of a US destroyer said they sunk one just before the attack?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72495493


Fifty-five Japanese airmen were killed and 29 of their aircraft were shot down in the attack, while 2,400 US service members died. No Japanese remains have been found at Pearl Harbor since the second world war.

[link to www.theguardian.com (secure)]

Weird, eh?
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bodies were found and buried want to see one?

here [link to qph.fs.quoracdn.net (secure)]
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Just like Bin Laden.
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yes.
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I hadn't heard that last one, or is that a joke about Arabs at Cessna school.
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What the fuck leads you to the shitspiracy conclusion that Pearl Harbour was a FF. Tell it to me like I'm 5.
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Perhaps you have the reading comprehension level of a first grader.
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That can't be true. That's not the way it was described in the movie.
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Interesting
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yes.
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I hadn't heard that last one, or is that a joke about Arabs at Cessna school.
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If you look at Cheannault's planes and Chinese (KMT) pilots, the numbers fit.

Oh and the fact that these brilliantly trained squadrons and their planes disappeared into the ether after Pearl.
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One thing that you can do--and should--is follow the serial numbers.

The thing about these Chennault-vs-State Dept. battles is that they were very heated, ergo very reckless at times.

When Claire and his teams snatched up batches of planes, paperwork was generated. When these planes "disappeared due to being aborted" something had to be done to try and launder the planes identities.

The thing is that immediately post-Pearl (and even leading up to it) people were moving VERY fast. They couldn't (and no man can) perfectly cover all steps and suppress all evidence). The military in fact makes such a thing extremely difficult, by definition, due to the incredible amount of bureaucratic paperwork required in a normal day's work.

You can find the "Japanese" Pearl planes - you just have to look. A newspapers.com subscription helps.
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YES - - - this.

And where are the bodies of the Japanese pilots?

Every single one of them disappeared forever?

No way.
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I'm sure the average American newspaper could tell a Japanese pilot from one of Chennault's pilots...not.

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All the Pacific Fleet was ordered

docked by 12-7-41 at Pearl and

all Sailors ordered to shore

leave. Guns unattended!

WW II starts thanks

to FDR and the Deep

State. Depression

ended.

Idol1
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meanwhile, LOndon's Burning....da.da.da.da.
I think roosevelt was between a rock and a hard place. Americans did not want war.
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The oh-so-spooky Civil Pilot Training Program had multiple light aircraft up that day.
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April 1941 - 300 US military men "resign commissions" to join Chennault's AVG force

Britain diverts "100" (probably 300-ish) P-40s to Chennault's fliers.

On Dec 7, 1941, Pearl Harbor is "surprised."

Within eight weeks only 10 P-40s remained - the remainder having been "destroyed in training accidents and one deadly friendly-fire incident."

You do the math.
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bump

This explains a lot of stuff if true...

I have always wondered- "why take the bait?" and then, if taken, why half-ass the job?

All the American ships were sitting there unmanned, etc. WHY wouldn't the Japanese continue to hammer away at them until they were all sunk/heavily damaged?

In for a penny, in for a pound- they were smart enough to develop some new tech to enable their torpedoes to find their mark, but didn't care enough to do anything but slap a sleeping lion in the face? Makes no damn sense IMO.
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yes.
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