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Happy December 7th: Pearl Harbor Was A False Flag Using US-Trained Chinese Pilots

 
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yes.
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The ROC Air Force was reconstituted into seven Groups, one separate Squadron and four Volunteer Groups. In 1939, after the USSR concluded a non-aggression pact with Germany, the Soviet Volunteer Group was withdrawn. By the end of 1941, the air force had 364 operational aircraft. Up to 100 of these were P-40Bs operated by the American Volunteer Group.
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Don't believe me?

Try to find a Japanese pilot shot down/captured by America on Dec 7.

Where are the bodies?

Where are the aircraft?

Why did the Navy storm Ni'ihau to furtively remove the "Japanese pilot" who crashed there (resulting the deaths of several locals?)
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Absolutely fascinating - just one of the many mysteries surrounding the [alleged] civilian airplanes aloft the morning of December 7, 1941:

[link to issuu.com (secure)]

These 'civilian' pilots and aircraft, and how they got to be where they were that morning, is a vast research topic in itself.

Definitely NOT boring :)
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And now for the premature death list...

Of the group of pilots flying allegedly-civilian plans just in time to see the Japanese attack, so far two at least died prematurely:

Cornelia Fort (d. 1943 aged 24)

A flight officer, Frank Stamme, Jr., had been flying tandem with Fort; he kept approaching her plane, then pulling back, and finally struck her wing after which she crashed and perished. [link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]

Royal A. Vitousek (d. 1947, aged 56)

Heart attack; no details given. Royal Vitousek was not just a lawyer, as usually mentioned in the Pearl Harbor accounts - he was a major, major politician and assistant police chief.

After surviving the Japanese attack on their small light plane on Dec 7, Royal drove straight to the police station whence his 17 year old son Martin allegedly drove the first news of the attack to stations KGV and KGMB.
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When I went to get breakfast at the grocery story this morning there were a bunch of WWII and Korea vets collecting donations for the local VFW. Guess what - they agree with you.

I've always suspected 12-7 was NOT Japanese in origin. Read Stinnett's excellent Day of Deceit. The evidence of US knowledge is overwhelming.

Unlike Stinnett, I don't believe the Japanese were anywhere near Oahu. Too much evidences pointing to those "Zeros" being launched from USN boats. Never mind the J. Edgar Hoover bullshit component.
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today its called "International Cooperation" kimmajortom
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today its called "International Cooperation" kimmajortom
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It was international cooperation alright.

Just ask CAT pilots why so many of them were described as "grumpy."

Guilt is a heavy burden.
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I could believe it. Since 1913, the government has been owned by bankers so anything it has done after that is pure evil.
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were all over here


Thread: Today is National Pearl Harbor Remembrance Day!
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All the Pacific Fleet was ordered

docked by 12-7-41 at Pearl and

all Sailors ordered to shore

leave. Guns unattended!

WW II starts thanks

to FDR and the Deep

State. Depression

ended.

Idol1
Looking outside

my cave.
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All the Pacific Fleet was ordered

docked by 12-7-41 at Pearl and

all Sailors ordered to shore

leave. Guns unattended!

WW II starts thanks

to FDR and the Deep

State. Depression

ended.

Idol1
 Quoting: Transition


And just as importantly, the most important ships--including carriers--were ordered to "undisclosed locations" some miles away from Pearl. It was from these ships that the attack was launched.

J. Edgar Hoover heard whiffs of this and tried frantically to get in on the action. He sent covert radio operatives to Pearl weeks before December 7 to set up a new kind of radio network that could communicate secretly and directly with several stations stateside.
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clue - Arizona wasn't sunk by "Japanese aircraft"

Look deeper
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clue - Arizona wasn't sunk by "Japanese aircraft"

Look deeper
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I've heard the Japanese minisub theory; my thing is I don't think they were Japanese sadly.
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clue - Arizona wasn't sunk by "Japanese aircraft"

Look deeper
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74721755


I've heard the Japanese minisub theory; my thing is I don't think they were Japanese sadly.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77067311


Well we already had plenty of "training targets" painted in Japanese colors. If anyone saw one we'd just say they were for "training." Did you know that acc to Pearl survivors the base was put on and off alert like 40 times in the weeks leading up to the 7th?
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Are you the unvalourous fucknuts claiming English boys did this?
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Are you the unvalourous fucknuts claiming English boys did this?
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Let's face it, no one knows who really attacked Pearl. That's the problem.

With all due respect, England was doing literally everything possible both overly and covertly to force the US into the war.

But "force" is the wrong word; FDR wanted in. He needed a reason.

Put the blame where you will.
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What the fuck leads you to the shitspiracy conclusion that Pearl Harbour was a FF. Tell it to me like I'm 5.
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All the Pacific Fleet was ordered

docked by 12-7-41 at Pearl and

all Sailors ordered to shore

leave. Guns unattended!

WW II starts thanks

to FDR and the Deep

State. Depression

ended.

Idol1
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From the time of its inception until May of 1940, the fleet was stationed primarily at San Diego, but that changed when the Empire of Japan became very aggressive in its expansionism. San Diego was deemed too far from Japan should open hostilities break out.

During the summer of 1940, the Battle Fleet was transferred to Pearl Harbor on Oahu, a part of the American Territory of Hawaii. The fleet’s commander at the time, Admiral James O. Richardson, opposed the long-term use of Pearl Harbor as its base. When he personally protested the idea, he was replaced by Admiral Husband E. Kimmel.

[link to visitpearlharbor.org (secure)]
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clue - Arizona wasn't sunk by "Japanese aircraft"

Look deeper
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74721755


I've heard the Japanese minisub theory; my thing is I don't think they were Japanese sadly.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77067311


It was the Japanese, but they were goaded into playing their role for the International players behind the scenes.
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Evidence of top brass infighting is crystal clear.

FDR's (de facto) maneuvering of the fleet into "harm's way" is crystal clear.

Only it wasn't really in harm's way - only 3000 sailors and civilians and a few outdated WWI-era boats were.

Notice that the power grid was left intact; the fuel cells were left intact.

Fake attack, fake Japanese. Nothing fake about the deaths (except those of the Japanese pilots).
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What the fuck leads you to the shitspiracy conclusion that Pearl Harbour was a FF. Tell it to me like I'm 5.
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Perhaps you have the reading comprehension level of a first grader.
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clue - Arizona wasn't sunk by "Japanese aircraft"

Look deeper
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74721755


I've heard the Japanese minisub theory; my thing is I don't think they were Japanese sadly.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77067311


It was the Japanese, but they were goaded into playing their role for the International players behind the scenes.
 Quoting: Copperhead


That's the Level II story. The one designed to siphon off the remainder of public opinion.

Level I is "Oswald did it/Pearl was the Japs."
Level II is "Grassy knoll/Pearl was FDR goading the Japs."
Level III/IV is where the real story is.

The strike on Pearl itself wasn't the Japanese.
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Are you the unvalourous fucknuts claiming English boys did this?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43563870


Let's face it, no one knows who really attacked Pearl. That's the problem.

With all due respect, England was doing literally everything possible both overly and covertly to force the US into the war.

But "force" is the wrong word; FDR wanted in. He needed a reason.

Put the blame where you will.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77067311


FDR got us into war with "Lend Lease". Pearl Harbor just gave him cover to make it official and get the masses behind it.
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Are you the unvalourous fucknuts claiming English boys did this?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43563870


Let's face it, no one knows who really attacked Pearl. That's the problem.

With all due respect, England was doing literally everything possible both overly and covertly to force the US into the war.

But "force" is the wrong word; FDR wanted in. He needed a reason.

Put the blame where you will.
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FDR got us into war with "Lend Lease". Pearl Harbor just gave him cover to make it official and get the masses behind it.
 Quoting: Copperhead


Truth.

The problem with goading is that it's not guaranteed to work.

FDR did what was guaranteed to work.

Sad but true.
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I don't know if you guys are aware but the son and daughters of two Pearl sailors are going to publish lightly-edited versions of their dads' diaries and duty logs on Dec 7, 2021. It will be the most significant turning of the wheel since Stinnett's slightly misguided but otherwise outstanding tome.
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I don't know if you guys are aware but the son and daughters of two Pearl sailors are going to publish lightly-edited versions of their dads' diaries and duty logs on Dec 7, 2021. It will be the most significant turning of the wheel since Stinnett's slightly misguided but otherwise outstanding tome.
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P.S. DHS don't kill these people m'kay thanks.
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I don't know if you guys are aware but the son and daughters of two Pearl sailors are going to publish lightly-edited versions of their dads' diaries and duty logs on Dec 7, 2021. It will be the most significant turning of the wheel since Stinnett's slightly misguided but otherwise outstanding tome.
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DAMN I hope that's true. Where did you hear this and are they open to contact?
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All the Pacific Fleet was ordered

docked by 12-7-41 at Pearl and

all Sailors ordered to shore

leave. Guns unattended!

WW II starts thanks

to FDR and the Deep

State. Depression

ended.

Idol1
 Quoting: Transition


And just as importantly, the most important ships--including carriers--were ordered to "undisclosed locations" some miles away from Pearl. It was from these ships that the attack was launched.

J. Edgar Hoover heard whiffs of this and tried frantically to get in on the action. He sent covert radio operatives to Pearl weeks before December 7 to set up a new kind of radio network that could communicate secretly and directly with several stations stateside.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77067311


Disagree that the carriers at sea "launched" the attack. My father was on the USS Lexington that day. True, the carriers had been sent out of Pearl a week before the attack. But had they been involved in sending planes to bomb Pearl and kill their friends in port?, didn't happen. My dad would have spent the rest of his 97 years screaming from the rooftops to expose this if true. But yes, FDR knew of and welcomed impending attack (read Stinnett's excellent book Day of Deceit) in order to generate American support for US going to war in Europe. It was a set up.
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I don't know if you guys are aware but the son and daughters of two Pearl sailors are going to publish lightly-edited versions of their dads' diaries and duty logs on Dec 7, 2021. It will be the most significant turning of the wheel since Stinnett's slightly misguided but otherwise outstanding tome.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73104839


DAMN I hope that's true. Where did you hear this and are they open to contact?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77067311


They lawyered up and if I'm not mistaken have left CONUS or had already left.
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All the Pacific Fleet was ordered

docked by 12-7-41 at Pearl and

all Sailors ordered to shore

leave. Guns unattended!

WW II starts thanks

to FDR and the Deep

State. Depression

ended.

Idol1
 Quoting: Transition


And just as importantly, the most important ships--including carriers--were ordered to "undisclosed locations" some miles away from Pearl. It was from these ships that the attack was launched.

J. Edgar Hoover heard whiffs of this and tried frantically to get in on the action. He sent covert radio operatives to Pearl weeks before December 7 to set up a new kind of radio network that could communicate secretly and directly with several stations stateside.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77067311


Disagree that the carriers at sea "launched" the attack. My father was on the USS Lexington that day. True, the carriers had been sent out of Pearl a week before the attack. But had they been involved in sending planes to bomb Pearl and kill their friends in port?, didn't happen. My dad would have spent the rest of his 97 years screaming from the rooftops to expose this if true. But yes, FDR knew of and welcomed impending attack (read Stinnett's excellent book Day of Deceit) in order to generate American support for US going to war in Europe. It was a set up.
 Quoting: anoymous coward 50318129


It was a set up indeed. The pilots were not Japanese and did not come from Japanese ships. They were Asian though. With all due respect to your dad I doubt he personally interviewed any "Japanese" pilots. Any plane can be painted. And was.





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