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Should I let Jesus save me from himself?

 
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Re: Should I let Jesus save me from himself?
It's sure nice of him to do that. Yes that was sarcasm to the dense religitards reading this post.
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If you only understood JUST how nice He was, for you.

But you cannot understand. Because the truth is for those with ears to hear, and eyes to see.

There are very good (and deserved) reasons that you will be ash under the feet of the righteous, upon the New Earth.

It's far better for the universe, than letting wickedness continue.
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Whatever. You know nothing of God.
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"Yes, Jesus was a hell-fire preacher. When we talk about salvation, the word has to be used…the word has to be used because we’re talking about rescue. Salvation is a word that means deliverance or rescue and the question is…from what? Contemporary kind of corrupted Christianity would offer many psychological and even material substitutes for hell. We would say, “Well, Jesus wants to save me from loneliness or He wants to save you from purposelessness, or He wants to save you from anxiety, or He wants to save you from poverty, or He wants to save you from failure, or He wants to save you from sickness, or He wants to save you from disappointment. No, no, He desires to save you from hell, from the fiery hell, the lake of fire that is eternal. The message of Scripture is that salvation is a rescue, a rescue from a real place called hell."


"This is not new. This is what the Bible has said. You can go back to Moses. You can go back to the Pentateuch, the first section of books in the Bible. In Deuteronomy 32:22, it reads this way in the Authorized Version, “A fire is kindled…says God…in my anger and burns to the lowest part of hell.” The 1611 King James version made it clear even that early that the anger of God reached into hell. Our Lord’s first New Testament sermon was a sermon on hell. Jesus is a hell-fire preacher. I hear people say, “Well I don’t want to talk about hell, that’s very negative.” Jesus was a hell-fire preacher. Matthew 5, His first sermon as laid out in the New Testament, verse 22 of chapter 5 of Matthew, “I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother will be guilty before the court and whoever says to his brother, you good for nothing, shall be guilty before the Supreme Court and whoever says, You fool, shall be guilty enough to go into the fiery hell.”

Here is Jesus arriving in Jerusalem and beginning the first part of His ministry, then going up to Galilee and finishing off His ministry and wherever He went He was a preacher of hell. The Sermon on the Mount happens to be given on a hillside in Galilee. He speaks of the fiery hell as if He assumed that everybody knew about it, He doesn’t have to give them a definition or a description, it was a very well-known part of their biblical understanding."
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Use a little common sense. Hell is described today, as TORTURE, psychically. The most unimaginable pain, and punishment, FOREVER.

A loving god, would not do that. That comes from an EVIL imagination. That is fear at its MAX, that is trying to FORCE people to convert, to its MAX.

Only somebody sadistic would do that.

The hell is believe in, is self inflicted. We send ourselves to hell. Not because we are cast off from the Lord. But because when we are in his presence at Judgement, we will feel Divine Joy Peace and Pleasure, and being cast off from his presence, we will know what that is like. But being away from him, everything else will be Hell in comparison.

Its like losing your first love. Remember what that feels like. If you do not know, imagine losing something you Love with all your heart and mind. And knowing you will not get it back. It puts you through hell. Now quantify that, except its what you love, its the Lord.
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Should I let Jesus save me from his own wrath? I've been reading the bible - Jesus keeps threatening to send people to hell (eternal torment) - doesn't sound very loving ... Should I just give in to his threats?
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Save that question for him, you’ll definitely have your chance.
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Use a little common sense. Hell is described today, as TORTURE, psychically. The most unimaginable pain, and punishment, FOREVER.

A loving god, would not do that. That comes from an EVIL imagination. That is fear at its MAX, that is trying to FORCE people to convert, to its MAX.

Only somebody sadistic would do that.

The hell is believe in, is self inflicted. We send ourselves to hell. Not because we are cast off from the Lord. But because when we are in his presence at Judgement, we will feel Divine Joy Peace and Pleasure, and being cast off from his presence, we will know what that is like. But being away from him, everything else will be Hell in comparison.

Its like losing your first love. Remember what that feels like. If you do not know, imagine losing something you Love with all your heart and mind. And knowing you will not get it back. It puts you through hell. Now quantify that, except its what you love, its the Lord.
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"Now somebody says, “Does the sentence really fit the crime?” Well we’re thinking rationally for a minute. Well the lawgiver determines that, doesn’t he? The law giver determines that. the law that is written determines the extent of the crime and what is a fitting punishment for the crime and God has determined that the crime is heinous enough that it should be judged in this way. And that is always the hurdle that people have trouble getting over. How can a temporal sin or sins result in an eternal punishment? It seems excessive.

Let me help you with that. The amount of time that a sinner sins is irrelevant. If the sinner dies at fifteen-years-old; thirty-five or a hundred and ten; the amount of time a sinner sins is irrelevant. Crimes against the infinitely holy and exalted God are infinitely wicked and the punishment fits the crime. Infinite crimes against an infinite God deserve an infinite punishment. And here’s the key. Sinners who go to hell never repent. They never repent. They continue to rebel. Every description of hell indicates to us that it is…listen carefully…it is not a remedial experience. It is not remedial justice. It is retributive justice. They remain God-haters forever so that the punishment never catches up with the sin. Understand that? It’s really important.

In hell they continue to hate God. In hell they continue to curse God. In hell they continue to mock God and blaspheme God and hate Christ. So the punishment never catches up to the sin because the sinning never, ever, ever ceases. You understand that, that’s really important. People don’t go to hell and then never sin forever and just get punished forever. They go to hell and keep on sinning forever, so the punishment can never catch up with the wretchedness. That is why the Bible in Mark 3 describes this as eternal sin…as eternal sin.

Let me tell you something. I believe that sinners are more sinful in hell than they were on earth because their sin on earth is mitigated to some degree, necessarily mitigated. Everybody can’t be as wicked as he would choose to be here because there are consequences. There are restraints. There are expectations. But in hell, there are none. Everybody is as evil as he can be.

In Jude 7 it says that they undergo a punishment of eternal fire. And this judgment, according to verse 15, is on the ungodly for all their ungodly deeds which they’ve done in an ungodly way and all the harsh things the ungodly sinners have spoken against Him. The word ungodly is used repeatedly there and when they get to hell, they’re just as ungodly as they ever were, in fact more so in that environment without constraint and continue to be punished because they continue everlastingly their rebellion."


"Hell is not remedial. It has no remedial effect. They will remain forever rebellious, God-haters, lovers of sin, blasphemers of the Holy Spirit, and rejecters of the Lord Jesus Christ. If there is any satisfaction in hell, if there is any fulfillment of anything in hell, is that they can be as wicked as they want to be without restraint because no influence of God is there.

So the theological issue is an important one. Hell is for those who hate God. They act against His mercy. They act against His grace. They act against His holiness. They act against the sovereignty. They act against His glory. And they will continue to do so forever."

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It's not about how badly or how much or how long you have sinned.

It's about who you are.
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