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BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER - Jersey City, NJ, 2 Shooters, Multiple Locations, FBI Present, Possible IED

 
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What happened with this?

Breaking: Police have arrested a man in a car exiting the Holland tunnel, which connects Jersey City and New York City. It is unclear if this is related to the Jersey City Shooting.
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Video from a resident

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Okay. Mods have BANNED certain tweets,.,

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"Trump Jersey City Jewish" then the short J word we cant type here,



J's all over twitter are blaming Trump!
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Don't you know that Trump killed the dinosaurs?
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Good, those dinosaurs were eating our children left and right.
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Already completely dropped off the front page of Fox New in less than half a day. Full orwellian cover up in effect.
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"Jersey City shooting probe could take months."

Like with Vegas right?

They just gonna wait until it disappears out of public memory. Once that new Star Wars movie comes out, no one will even remember any of this happened.
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Okay guys... I am going to be going soon.


I am going to leave you with ONE question....


If the three civilians that were killed were CHRISTIANS or CATHOLICS, would the media be harping on that fact?
(The answer is "NO")



Pay attention to the news, what Trump said two days ago will be thrown on him. "Brútal kíllers"
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75110578


Keep reading this and read into what I am telling you without saying it.

I am really needed to hit the bed for pisolino
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75110578


The Jersey City gun killings may have been a hate crime against J's. Hate crimes against Jewish community has been on the rise. Yesterday trump did an executive order to essentially mark J's by calling them a nationality. White Supremacists love this. J's aren’t Americans?
[link to twitter.com (secure)]


TRUMP is 2 blame 4 that JERSEY CITY shooting because of his hate speech!They TARGETED that KOSHER STORE!An Officer&others lost there lives because of the HATE speech trump spread! DT:"Nice ppl on both sides" He said THAT after the NAZI group chanted"THE J'S WILL NOT REPLACE US!"
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So the same day that a shooter targeted a Jewish deli in Jersey City deli, killing three people, Donald Trump declares that Judaism is a “nationality,” putting an even bigger target on the backs of J's by signaling we’re not Americans.
[link to twitter.com (secure)]



This week, Trump focused hate on J's. Today, Jersey City massacre targeted a Jewish grocer. Where's @IvankaTrump and @jaredkushner now? This is the world they want for their children? Do they think Trump's hate stays confined to US? Hint: there's not an undo button
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The same day someone shot up a kosher grocery store in Jersey City is the day Trump moves a step forward in defining J's as foreign citizens. And our Jeiwsh institutions aren't saying shit about it.
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Going to get my car
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Done. Drove past the scene, and there are "owners" (full garb)of the store inside, cleaning up a crime scene. Very fast for them to have wrapped up an investigation where police fired 200+ rounds into the building, no?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76819425


Tampering with evidence. They cannot let it be known the PD bullets killed the Kosher Nose-tras
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Going to get my car
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Done. Drove past the scene, and there are "owners" (full garb)of the store inside, cleaning up a crime scene. Very fast for them to have wrapped up an investigation where police fired 200+ rounds into the building, no?
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Maybe the whole thing was some hollywood movie shoot + viral marketing for upcoming hollywood movie. It's like this whole world is a movie set.
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Okay guys... I am going to be going soon.


I am going to leave you with ONE question....


If the three civilians that were killed were CHRISTIANS or CATHOLICS, would the media be harping on that fact?
(The answer is "NO")



Pay attention to the news, what Trump said two days ago will be thrown on him. "Brútal kíllers"
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75110578


Keep reading this and read into what I am telling you without saying it.

I am really needed to hit the bed for pisolino
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75110578


The Jersey City gun killings may have been a hate crime against J's. Hate crimes against Jewish community has been on the rise. Yesterday trump did an executive order to essentially mark J's by calling them a nationality. White Supremacists love this. J's aren’t Americans?
[link to twitter.com (secure)]


TRUMP is 2 blame 4 that JERSEY CITY shooting because of his hate speech!They TARGETED that KOSHER STORE!An Officer&others lost there lives because of the HATE speech trump spread! DT:"Nice ppl on both sides" He said THAT after the NAZI group chanted"THE J'S WILL NOT REPLACE US!"
[link to twitter.com (secure)]



So the same day that a shooter targeted a Jewish deli in Jersey City deli, killing three people, Donald Trump declares that Judaism is a “nationality,” putting an even bigger target on the backs of J's by signaling we’re not Americans.
[link to twitter.com (secure)]



This week, Trump focused hate on J's. Today, Jersey City massacre targeted a Jewish grocer. Where's @IvankaTrump and @jaredkushner now? This is the world they want for their children? Do they think Trump's hate stays confined to US? Hint: there's not an undo button
[link to twitter.com (secure)]



The same day someone shot up a kosher grocery store in Jersey City is the day Trump moves a step forward in defining J's as foreign citizens. And our Jeiwsh institutions aren't saying shit about it.
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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73677230





Anyone who doesn't believe that the normalization of antisemitism is related to Donald Trump's behavior and implied permission to be one's worst self is in denial. Jersey City Shooters Targeted Jewish Grocery Store, Says Mayor
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According to Trump, the shooting in Jersey City targeting a Jewish market is now considered an international incident - and we don't get involved in those
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#Complimentsof @realDonaldTrump whose hateful rhetoric, and actions, has contributed to an increase in attacks on Jewish and Islamic people and institutions. Jersey City gunmen targeted Jewish grocery for lethal attack -
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@realDonaldTrump YOU SLAMMED THE JEWISH PEOPLE YESTERDAY AND YOUR PSYCHO DOGS KILLED PEOPLE ONCE AGAIN! THE BLOOD IS ON YOUR HANDS, YOU MURDERER!6 killed in Jersey City shootout that ends at kosher supermarket - Jewish Telegraphic Agency [link to www.jta.org (secure)] … via @jtanews
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Find both photos with the Uhaul truck and the Uhaul van,

The truck is in the reflection of the window of the store,

If you were running from police, would you take the time to perfectly parallel park?
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Okay guys... I am going to be going soon.


I am going to leave you with ONE question....


If the three civilians that were killed were CHRISTIANS or CATHOLICS, would the media be harping on that fact?
(The answer is "NO")



Pay attention to the news, what Trump said two days ago will be thrown on him. "Brútal kíllers"
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75110578


Keep reading this and read into what I am telling you without saying it.

I am really needed to hit the bed for pisolino
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75110578


The Jersey City gun killings may have been a hate crime against J's. Hate crimes against Jewish community has been on the rise. Yesterday trump did an executive order to essentially mark J's by calling them a nationality. White Supremacists love this. J's aren’t Americans?
[link to twitter.com (secure)]


TRUMP is 2 blame 4 that JERSEY CITY shooting because of his hate speech!They TARGETED that KOSHER STORE!An Officer&others lost there lives because of the HATE speech trump spread! DT:"Nice ppl on both sides" He said THAT after the NAZI group chanted"THE J'S WILL NOT REPLACE US!"
[link to twitter.com (secure)]



So the same day that a shooter targeted a Jewish deli in Jersey City deli, killing three people, Donald Trump declares that Judaism is a “nationality,” putting an even bigger target on the backs of J's by signaling we’re not Americans.
[link to twitter.com (secure)]



This week, Trump focused hate on J's. Today, Jersey City massacre targeted a Jewish grocer. Where's @IvankaTrump and @jaredkushner now? This is the world they want for their children? Do they think Trump's hate stays confined to US? Hint: there's not an undo button
[link to twitter.com (secure)]



The same day someone shot up a kosher grocery store in Jersey City is the day Trump moves a step forward in defining J's as foreign citizens. And our Jeiwsh institutions aren't saying shit about it.
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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73677230





Anyone who doesn't believe that the normalization of antisemitism is related to Donald Trump's behavior and implied permission to be one's worst self is in denial. Jersey City Shooters Targeted Jewish Grocery Store, Says Mayor
[link to twitter.com (secure)]


According to Trump, the shooting in Jersey City targeting a Jewish market is now considered an international incident - and we don't get involved in those
[link to twitter.com (secure)]


#Complimentsof @realDonaldTrump whose hateful rhetoric, and actions, has contributed to an increase in attacks on Jewish and Islamic people and institutions. Jersey City gunmen targeted Jewish grocery for lethal attack -
[link to twitter.com (secure)]




@realDonaldTrump YOU SLAMMED THE JEWISH PEOPLE YESTERDAY AND YOUR PSYCHO DOGS KILLED PEOPLE ONCE AGAIN! THE BLOOD IS ON YOUR HANDS, YOU MURDERER!6 killed in Jersey City shootout that ends at kosher supermarket - Jewish Telegraphic Agency [link to www.jta.org (secure)] … via @jtanews
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SATURDAY: Trump uses anti semitic language in address to Jewish group "...I know you very well. You’re brutal killers, not nice people at all.” TUESDAY: Gunmen attack Jewish deli in #JerseyCity in "targeted attack"
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Video from a resident

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Scrubbed

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Scrubbed
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Neither Seals wife Laura nor his mother Debbie asked for his FB to be removed. Just to make it clear,
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Yesterday heavily-armed white supremacists shut down a huge chunk of Jersey City yesterday while they murdered their Jewish neighbors and police officers. Trump has not said one word about it.
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Going to get my car
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Done. Drove past the scene, and there are "owners" (full garb)of the store inside, cleaning up a crime scene. Very fast for them to have wrapped up an investigation where police fired 200+ rounds into the building, no?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76819425


Tampering with evidence. They cannot let it be known the PD bullets killed the Kosher Nose-tras
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73677230


It is against their religion to leave spilled blood on the ground. I don't know how they work around forensic investigations in America. In Israel, They have special teams that arrive soon after the EMTs and LEOs. They come with spill kits and sponges to clean up the blood.
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Find both photos with the Uhaul truck and the Uhaul van,

The truck is in the reflection of the window of the store,

If you were running from police, would you take the time to perfectly parallel park?

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They weren't running from the police.
All these missions are done with the goal of being martyred. Along with taking out as many non-Muslims as possible.
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...


Keep reading this and read into what I am telling you without saying it.

I am really needed to hit the bed for pisolino
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75110578


The Jersey City gun killings may have been a hate crime against J's. Hate crimes against Jewish community has been on the rise. Yesterday trump did an executive order to essentially mark J's by calling them a nationality. White Supremacists love this. J's aren’t Americans?
[link to twitter.com (secure)]


TRUMP is 2 blame 4 that JERSEY CITY shooting because of his hate speech!They TARGETED that KOSHER STORE!An Officer&others lost there lives because of the HATE speech trump spread! DT:"Nice ppl on both sides" He said THAT after the NAZI group chanted"THE J'S WILL NOT REPLACE US!"
[link to twitter.com (secure)]



So the same day that a shooter targeted a Jewish deli in Jersey City deli, killing three people, Donald Trump declares that Judaism is a “nationality,” putting an even bigger target on the backs of J's by signaling we’re not Americans.
[link to twitter.com (secure)]



This week, Trump focused hate on J's. Today, Jersey City massacre targeted a Jewish grocer. Where's @IvankaTrump and @jaredkushner now? This is the world they want for their children? Do they think Trump's hate stays confined to US? Hint: there's not an undo button
[link to twitter.com (secure)]



The same day someone shot up a kosher grocery store in Jersey City is the day Trump moves a step forward in defining J's as foreign citizens. And our Jeiwsh institutions aren't saying shit about it.
[link to twitter.com (secure)]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73677230





Anyone who doesn't believe that the normalization of antisemitism is related to Donald Trump's behavior and implied permission to be one's worst self is in denial. Jersey City Shooters Targeted Jewish Grocery Store, Says Mayor
[link to twitter.com (secure)]


According to Trump, the shooting in Jersey City targeting a Jewish market is now considered an international incident - and we don't get involved in those
[link to twitter.com (secure)]


#Complimentsof @realDonaldTrump whose hateful rhetoric, and actions, has contributed to an increase in attacks on Jewish and Islamic people and institutions. Jersey City gunmen targeted Jewish grocery for lethal attack -
[link to twitter.com (secure)]




@realDonaldTrump YOU SLAMMED THE JEWISH PEOPLE YESTERDAY AND YOUR PSYCHO DOGS KILLED PEOPLE ONCE AGAIN! THE BLOOD IS ON YOUR HANDS, YOU MURDERER!6 killed in Jersey City shootout that ends at kosher supermarket - Jewish Telegraphic Agency [link to www.jta.org (secure)] … via @jtanews
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SATURDAY: Trump uses anti semitic language in address to Jewish group "...I know you very well. You’re brutal killers, not nice people at all.” TUESDAY: Gunmen attack Jewish deli in #JerseyCity in "targeted attack"
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The brutal killers aren't the Hebrews. silly.
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Going to get my car
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Done. Drove past the scene, and there are "owners" (full garb)of the store inside, cleaning up a crime scene. Very fast for them to have wrapped up an investigation where police fired 200+ rounds into the building, no?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76819425


Tampering with evidence. They cannot let it be known the PD bullets killed the Kosher Nose-tras
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73677230


It is against their religion to leave spilled blood on the ground. I don't know how they work around forensic investigations in America. In Israel, They have special teams that arrive soon after the EMTs and LEOs. They come with spill kits and sponges to clean up the blood.
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No offense to the drive-by AC, but pics of the "store owners in full garb" would shore up this claim.
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Okay guys... I am going to be going soon.


I am going to leave you with ONE question....


If the three civilians that were killed were CHRISTIANS or CATHOLICS, would the media be harping on that fact?
(The answer is "NO")



Pay attention to the news, what Trump said two days ago will be thrown on him. "Brútal kíllers"
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75110578


Keep reading this and read into what I am telling you without saying it.

I am really needed to hit the bed for pisolino
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75110578


The Jersey City gun killings may have been a hate crime against J's. Hate crimes against Jewish community has been on the rise. Yesterday trump did an executive order to essentially mark J's by calling them a nationality. White Supremacists love this. J's aren’t Americans?
[link to twitter.com (secure)]


TRUMP is 2 blame 4 that JERSEY CITY shooting because of his hate speech!They TARGETED that KOSHER STORE!An Officer&others lost there lives because of the HATE speech trump spread! DT:"Nice ppl on both sides" He said THAT after the NAZI group chanted"THE J'S WILL NOT REPLACE US!"
[link to twitter.com (secure)]



So the same day that a shooter targeted a Jewish deli in Jersey City deli, killing three people, Donald Trump declares that Judaism is a “nationality,” putting an even bigger target on the backs of J's by signaling we’re not Americans.
[link to twitter.com (secure)]



This week, Trump focused hate on J's. Today, Jersey City massacre targeted a Jewish grocer. Where's @IvankaTrump and @jaredkushner now? This is the world they want for their children? Do they think Trump's hate stays confined to US? Hint: there's not an undo button
[link to twitter.com (secure)]



The same day someone shot up a kosher grocery store in Jersey City is the day Trump moves a step forward in defining J's as foreign citizens. And our Jeiwsh institutions aren't saying shit about it.
[link to twitter.com (secure)]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73677230





Anyone who doesn't believe that the normalization of antisemitism is related to Donald Trump's behavior and implied permission to be one's worst self is in denial. Jersey City Shooters Targeted Jewish Grocery Store, Says Mayor
[link to twitter.com (secure)]


According to Trump, the shooting in Jersey City targeting a Jewish market is now considered an international incident - and we don't get involved in those
[link to twitter.com (secure)]


#Complimentsof @realDonaldTrump whose hateful rhetoric, and actions, has contributed to an increase in attacks on Jewish and Islamic people and institutions. Jersey City gunmen targeted Jewish grocery for lethal attack -
[link to twitter.com (secure)]




@realDonaldTrump YOU SLAMMED THE JEWISH PEOPLE YESTERDAY AND YOUR PSYCHO DOGS KILLED PEOPLE ONCE AGAIN! THE BLOOD IS ON YOUR HANDS, YOU MURDERER!6 killed in Jersey City shootout that ends at kosher supermarket - Jewish Telegraphic Agency [link to www.jta.org (secure)] … via @jtanews
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Jumping to a conclusion without the evidence again.

Obvious narrative.
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Going to get my car
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Done. Drove past the scene, and there are "owners" (full garb)of the store inside, cleaning up a crime scene. Very fast for them to have wrapped up an investigation where police fired 200+ rounds into the building, no?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76819425


Tampering with evidence. They cannot let it be known the PD bullets killed the Kosher Nose-tras
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73677230



I hadn't even considered that aspect, but yes that makes total sense because of the amount of gunfire.

You make me think of something - last night I was speculating that this really was a CLEAN UP OPERATION. That someone in authority WANTED this officer Seals killed AND wanted the perps killed. If they actually ARE perps. Because the sensible thing to do when you're in an urban situation with a couple of schools nearby is not to engage in an open gun battle for hours but to try to negotiate. I see no sign that they did that. Instead the cops and FBI shot up the land, probably including shooting the hostages.

I'm thinking....the authorities are crooked and this was a CLEAN-UP OPERATION to remove anyone with knowledge or evidence of whatever. And the cops/FBI are as likely to have killed those civilians as the "perps" inside.
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I am kind of amazed I'm not hearing any complaints about the cops & FBI engaging in this kind of long term shootout with alleged perps in an urban area with 2 schools within doors of this "store".
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This is my best guess based on the ever changing story and details: COPS & FBI WORKING TOGETHER TO WIPE OUT A "PROBLEM", DOING A CLEAN-UP OPERATION, AND FRAMING THE ALLEGED "PERPS".

Maybe any "sting" that was done was done with the intention of getting the "perps" in place so they could frame them for Seals' murder (sounds like he was shot execution style, back of ear per locals) but the perps got panicked, escaped, whatever, ran back home (above "store") to get there shit, but of course cops/FBI were already on scene because they PLANNED this shit, and then the shoot-out to finish the off began.

THIS SMELLS BAD.

Now they're using "White Supremacy" bullshit when perps were black and anti-Semitism...because they ALWAYS use that. Good smoke screen.

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I wonder if this was a "clean-up" operation. Not a sting to catch people, but maybe a sting to specifically kill Seals, then follow these perps back and kill them so there's no evidence of whatever these people - and the authorities I would guess - were involved with.
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This definitely has something to do with Seals. The cops went to his house and got his wife and kids out of there. Then they went back for stuff and left again. why?
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Going to get my car
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Done. Drove past the scene, and there are "owners" (full garb)of the store inside, cleaning up a crime scene. Very fast for them to have wrapped up an investigation where police fired 200+ rounds into the building, no?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76819425


Tampering with evidence. They cannot let it be known the PD bullets killed the Kosher Nose-tras
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73677230



I hadn't even considered that aspect, but yes that makes total sense because of the amount of gunfire.

You make me think of something - last night I was speculating that this really was a CLEAN UP OPERATION. That someone in authority WANTED this officer Seals killed AND wanted the perps killed. If they actually ARE perps. Because the sensible thing to do when you're in an urban situation with a couple of schools nearby is not to engage in an open gun battle for hours but to try to negotiate. I see no sign that they did that. Instead the cops and FBI shot up the land, probably including shooting the hostages.

I'm thinking....the authorities are crooked and this was a CLEAN-UP OPERATION to remove anyone with knowledge or evidence of whatever. And the cops/FBI are as likely to have killed those civilians as the "perps" inside.
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The owner of the store seems to have been tipped off. He left right before it all went down.
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I wonder if this was a "clean-up" operation. Not a sting to catch people, but maybe a sting to specifically kill Seals, then follow these perps back and kill them so there's no evidence of whatever these people - and the authorities I would guess - were involved with.
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This definitely has something to do with Seals. The cops went to his house and got his wife and kids out of there. Then they went back for stuff and left again. why?
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My guess is they went back to his house to see if he had any evidence and get it/destroy it.

Sounds like a Serpico scenario to me.
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Done. Drove past the scene, and there are "owners" (full garb)of the store inside, cleaning up a crime scene. Very fast for them to have wrapped up an investigation where police fired 200+ rounds into the building, no?
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Tampering with evidence. They cannot let it be known the PD bullets killed the Kosher Nose-tras
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I hadn't even considered that aspect, but yes that makes total sense because of the amount of gunfire.

You make me think of something - last night I was speculating that this really was a CLEAN UP OPERATION. That someone in authority WANTED this officer Seals killed AND wanted the perps killed. If they actually ARE perps. Because the sensible thing to do when you're in an urban situation with a couple of schools nearby is not to engage in an open gun battle for hours but to try to negotiate. I see no sign that they did that. Instead the cops and FBI shot up the land, probably including shooting the hostages.

I'm thinking....the authorities are crooked and this was a CLEAN-UP OPERATION to remove anyone with knowledge or evidence of whatever. And the cops/FBI are as likely to have killed those civilians as the "perps" inside.
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The owner of the store seems to have been tipped off. He left right before it all went down.
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Exactly. Or he might have been involved all along. Who knows. At minimum I would also guess a tip-off.

Maybe this is a type of gang war about who has the right to sell guns or other things in that area and corrupt police/FBI are involved?
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I wonder if this was a "clean-up" operation. Not a sting to catch people, but maybe a sting to specifically kill Seals, then follow these perps back and kill them so there's no evidence of whatever these people - and the authorities I would guess - were involved with.
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This definitely has something to do with Seals. The cops went to his house and got his wife and kids out of there. Then they went back for stuff and left again. why?
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My personal sense is that Seals was the target and intended murder victim (like a Serpico) and the 2 blacks were going to be killed and framed as the perps. Maybe they never even met him at all. Or maybe it was a sting that went bad. I tend to think these were 2 separate events.....Seals murder which I've heard cited in 2 separate locations and the gun fight at the apartment building.
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Tampering with evidence. They cannot let it be known the PD bullets killed the Kosher Nose-tras
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I hadn't even considered that aspect, but yes that makes total sense because of the amount of gunfire.

You make me think of something - last night I was speculating that this really was a CLEAN UP OPERATION. That someone in authority WANTED this officer Seals killed AND wanted the perps killed. If they actually ARE perps. Because the sensible thing to do when you're in an urban situation with a couple of schools nearby is not to engage in an open gun battle for hours but to try to negotiate. I see no sign that they did that. Instead the cops and FBI shot up the land, probably including shooting the hostages.

I'm thinking....the authorities are crooked and this was a CLEAN-UP OPERATION to remove anyone with knowledge or evidence of whatever. And the cops/FBI are as likely to have killed those civilians as the "perps" inside.
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The owner of the store seems to have been tipped off. He left right before it all went down.
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Exactly. Or he might have been involved all along. Who knows. At minimum I would also guess a tip-off.

Maybe this is a type of gang war about who has the right to sell guns or other things in that area and corrupt police/FBI are involved?
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You mean the Jewish guy is supplying the guns that Seals was taking off the street? It is anti-Semitic to interfere with crimes of the tribe
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I wonder if this was a "clean-up" operation. Not a sting to catch people, but maybe a sting to specifically kill Seals, then follow these perps back and kill them so there's no evidence of whatever these people - and the authorities I would guess - were involved with.
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This definitely has something to do with Seals. The cops went to his house and got his wife and kids out of there. Then they went back for stuff and left again. why?
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They are now targets on the property developer that Seals figured out was one of the suppliers of guns he was tasked to get off the streets.
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It would be more constructive to bump your original thread and ask for more information. Sometimes when people are saying you are doing it wrong, they mean there is a simpler, more straightforward way to achieve your goal.
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Done. Drove past the scene, and there are "owners" (full garb)of the store inside, cleaning up a crime scene. Very fast for them to have wrapped up an investigation where police fired 200+ rounds into the building, no?
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Tampering with evidence. They cannot let it be known the PD bullets killed the Kosher Nose-tras
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It is against their religion to leave spilled blood on the ground. I don't know how they work around forensic investigations in America. In Israel, They have special teams that arrive soon after the EMTs and LEOs. They come with spill kits and sponges to clean up the blood.
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No offense to the drive-by AC, but pics of the "store owners in full garb" would shore up this claim.
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Men in vests appear to clean the crime scene Wednesday morning, a day after a wild, fatal shooting left a police officer and others dead.
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