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If they took a real vote, how many US taxpayers would vote to maintain Army bases in Europe 75 years after WWII?

 
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If they took a real vote, how many US taxpayers would vote to maintain Army bases in Europe 75 years after WWII?
30 years after the Soviets collapsed.
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They didn't collapse, they expanded.
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They didn't collapse, they expanded.
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The Soviet Union collapsed after they pulled out of Eastern Europe. They went bankrupt and are no longer a threat to Europe so the entire reason for NATO is long over.

Spending trillions of US tax dollars to defend Europe forever is not something that most taxpayers would vote for if they were given the choice to decide.
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Re: If they took a real vote, how many US taxpayers would vote to maintain Army bases in Europe 75 years after WWII?
They didn't collapse, they expanded.
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The Soviet Union collapsed after they pulled out of Eastern Europe. They went bankrupt and are no longer a threat to Europe so the entire reason for NATO is long over.

Spending trillions of US tax dollars to defend Europe forever is not something that most taxpayers would vote for if they were given the choice to decide.
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However, Canada is welcome to pay for those European defense bases if you would like to.
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They didn't collapse, they expanded.
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The Soviet Union collapsed after they pulled out of Eastern Europe. They went bankrupt and are no longer a threat to Europe so the entire reason for NATO is long over.

Spending trillions of US tax dollars to defend Europe forever is not something that most taxpayers would vote for if they were given the choice to decide.
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They went underground, they infiltrated everything from the inside.

They couldn't win the surface battle, so they went inside the victim.

China is what's left on the surface. Hopefully, we'll see the end of that soon.

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Re: If they took a real vote, how many US taxpayers would vote to maintain Army bases in Europe 75 years after WWII?
They didn't collapse, they expanded.
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The Soviet Union collapsed after they pulled out of Eastern Europe. They went bankrupt and are no longer a threat to Europe so the entire reason for NATO is long over.

Spending trillions of US tax dollars to defend Europe forever is not something that most taxpayers would vote for if they were given the choice to decide.
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They went underground, they infiltrated everything from the inside.

They couldn't win the surface battle, so they went inside the victim.

China is what's left on the surface. Hopefully, we'll see the end of that soon.

:truth compassion:
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We were already infiltrated. Our military has been infiltrated since before the soviet union even rose to power. We can't fight them with our army because our army is them.
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Re: If they took a real vote, how many US taxpayers would vote to maintain Army bases in Europe 75 years after WWII?
They didn't collapse, they expanded.
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The Soviet Union collapsed after they pulled out of Eastern Europe. They went bankrupt and are no longer a threat to Europe so the entire reason for NATO is long over.

Spending trillions of US tax dollars to defend Europe forever is not something that most taxpayers would vote for if they were given the choice to decide.
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They went underground, they infiltrated everything from the inside.

They couldn't win the surface battle, so they went inside the victim.

China is what's left on the surface. Hopefully, we'll see the end of that soon.

:truth compassion:
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And keeping giant US Army bases in Europe forever solves "spies" exactly how?
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Re: If they took a real vote, how many US taxpayers would vote to maintain Army bases in Europe 75 years after WWII?
They didn't collapse, they expanded.
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The Soviet Union collapsed after they pulled out of Eastern Europe. They went bankrupt and are no longer a threat to Europe so the entire reason for NATO is long over.

Spending trillions of US tax dollars to defend Europe forever is not something that most taxpayers would vote for if they were given the choice to decide.
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Wrong, we don't need NATO because there is no Europe left to defend. Europe is LOST to the Soviets.
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Re: If they took a real vote, how many US taxpayers would vote to maintain Army bases in Europe 75 years after WWII?
40% would vote for it. 20% of the old "USA should dominate and occupy the world" Conservatives and 20% of the lunatic Liberals that fall for anything the Democrats tell them. The career politician Democrats need all the foreign aid to collect kickbacks from.
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Re: If they took a real vote, how many US taxpayers would vote to maintain Army bases in Europe 75 years after WWII?
40% would vote for it. 20% of the old "USA should dominate and occupy the world" Conservatives and 20% of the lunatic Liberals that fall for anything the Democrats tell them. The career politician Democrats need all the foreign aid to collect kickbacks from.
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Thats about right but that number is falling. It is getting harder and harder to justify occupying all of these countries for so long.
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Re: If they took a real vote, how many US taxpayers would vote to maintain Army bases in Europe 75 years after WWII?
They didn't collapse, they expanded.
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The Soviet Union collapsed after they pulled out of Eastern Europe. They went bankrupt and are no longer a threat to Europe so the entire reason for NATO is long over.

Spending trillions of US tax dollars to defend Europe forever is not something that most taxpayers would vote for if they were given the choice to decide.
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Wrong, we don't need NATO because there is no Europe left to defend. Europe is LOST to the Soviets.
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This^^^^,but as long as they rent our military,i say go for it.
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Re: If they took a real vote, how many US taxpayers would vote to maintain Army bases in Europe 75 years after WWII?
They didn't collapse, they expanded.
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The Soviet Union collapsed after they pulled out of Eastern Europe. They went bankrupt and are no longer a threat to Europe so the entire reason for NATO is long over.

Spending trillions of US tax dollars to defend Europe forever is not something that most taxpayers would vote for if they were given the choice to decide.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70286838


Wrong, we don't need NATO because there is no Europe left to defend. Europe is LOST to the Soviets.
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This^^^^,but as long as they rent our military,i say go for it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73598228


Our military is not rented mercenaries. And anyway, they dont "rent" it because they dont pay for it. Trump can barely get the Europeans to pay for their tiny percent of NATO, let alone for the US bases.
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Re: If they took a real vote, how many US taxpayers would vote to maintain Army bases in Europe 75 years after WWII?
They didn't collapse, they expanded.
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i saw for myself the soviet union crumpled up on the floor reeling in pain after getting knocked the fuck out for getting mouthy.

i can reenact the evening on you if you like.
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Re: If they took a real vote, how many US taxpayers would vote to maintain Army bases in Europe 75 years after WWII?
They didn't collapse, they expanded.
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i saw for myself the soviet union crumpled up on the floor reeling in pain after getting knocked the fuck out for getting mouthy.

i can reenact the evening on you if you like.
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I'll remind you bitches of what happened to the Soviets.

thanks for the Bike, Red!

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Russia, Russia, Russia!!! Meanie Russians everywhere picking on poor little Democrats.
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Re: If they took a real vote, how many US taxpayers would vote to maintain Army bases in Europe 75 years after WWII?
They didn't collapse, they expanded.
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The Soviet Union collapsed after they pulled out of Eastern Europe. They went bankrupt and are no longer a threat to Europe so the entire reason for NATO is long over.

Spending trillions of US tax dollars to defend Europe forever is not something that most taxpayers would vote for if they were given the choice to decide.
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Why do you think the US would leave Europe if NATO was gone?

Having a forward presence in Europe is one of the US empire's core tenets and will be discarded only if the US empire collapses financially like the USSR.
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Re: If they took a real vote, how many US taxpayers would vote to maintain Army bases in Europe 75 years after WWII?
They didn't collapse, they expanded.
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The Soviet Union collapsed after they pulled out of Eastern Europe. They went bankrupt and are no longer a threat to Europe so the entire reason for NATO is long over.

Spending trillions of US tax dollars to defend Europe forever is not something that most taxpayers would vote for if they were given the choice to decide.
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Why do you think the US would leave Europe if NATO was gone?

Having a forward presence in Europe is one of the US empire's core tenets and will be discarded only if the US empire collapses financially like the USSR.
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A "forward presence" is an occupation and military term describing a war with the long gone Soviet Union. Most US citizens are not interested in warring with ANYONE, let alone with long ago defeated enemies. It is the ego manic politicians and generals that are interested in such nonsense.
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Re: If they took a real vote, how many US taxpayers would vote to maintain Army bases in Europe 75 years after WWII?
If Americans voted, they’d vote to keep them and add more!

Why? Because voting is an illusion. Your vote is meaningless. The next president is already known, but they’ll put on bread and circuses for the politically obsessed delusional plebs.
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Re: If they took a real vote, how many US taxpayers would vote to maintain Army bases in Europe 75 years after WWII?
They didn't collapse, they expanded.
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The Soviet Union collapsed after they pulled out of Eastern Europe. They went bankrupt and are no longer a threat to Europe so the entire reason for NATO is long over.

Spending trillions of US tax dollars to defend Europe forever is not something that most taxpayers would vote for if they were given the choice to decide.
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Why do you think the US would leave Europe if NATO was gone?

Having a forward presence in Europe is one of the US empire's core tenets and will be discarded only if the US empire collapses financially like the USSR.
 Quoting: RomanianGuy


A "forward presence" is an occupation and military term describing a war with the long gone Soviet Union. Most US citizens are not interested in warring with ANYONE, let alone with long ago defeated enemies. It is the ego manic politicians and generals that are interested in such nonsense.
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Even though the USSR is gone, Russia is the only country that can annihilate the US.
So a forward presence in Europe close to Russia will still be something the US will be interested in.
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The Soviet Union collapsed after they pulled out of Eastern Europe. They went bankrupt and are no longer a threat to Europe so the entire reason for NATO is long over.

Spending trillions of US tax dollars to defend Europe forever is not something that most taxpayers would vote for if they were given the choice to decide.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70286838


Why do you think the US would leave Europe if NATO was gone?

Having a forward presence in Europe is one of the US empire's core tenets and will be discarded only if the US empire collapses financially like the USSR.
 Quoting: RomanianGuy


A "forward presence" is an occupation and military term describing a war with the long gone Soviet Union. Most US citizens are not interested in warring with ANYONE, let alone with long ago defeated enemies. It is the ego manic politicians and generals that are interested in such nonsense.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75283842


Even though the USSR is gone, Russia is the only country that can annihilate the US.
So a forward presence in Europe close to Russia will still be something the US will be interested in.
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and who can Annihilate Russia?

I heard Tamerlane did it...anyone else?

anyone more contemporary do you know off the top of your head that can annihilate Russia or are the all powerful and immune to destruction?
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Re: If they took a real vote, how many US taxpayers would vote to maintain Army bases in Europe 75 years after WWII?
if there were a Real Conflict...one where all sides are indifferent to Physical Damage to their respective worlds, how long do any of you imagine that you'd last before everything is gone?

its clear there are nations that talk shit based on the principle that no one wants to completely start over...if that principle is discarded and everone has to start over, which nation do you think would be least likely to reemerge to where it is today?

Which do you think is most likely to not only be where it is today but get to that point the fastest?

Take your time when answer because I know it will take some time for you to formulate a delusion.


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30 years after the Soviets collapsed.
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I would expect many would. Those bases are forward zones for striking other areas.
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The Soviet Union collapsed after they pulled out of Eastern Europe. They went bankrupt and are no longer a threat to Europe so the entire reason for NATO is long over.

Spending trillions of US tax dollars to defend Europe forever is not something that most taxpayers would vote for if they were given the choice to decide.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70286838


Why do you think the US would leave Europe if NATO was gone?

Having a forward presence in Europe is one of the US empire's core tenets and will be discarded only if the US empire collapses financially like the USSR.
 Quoting: RomanianGuy


A "forward presence" is an occupation and military term describing a war with the long gone Soviet Union. Most US citizens are not interested in warring with ANYONE, let alone with long ago defeated enemies. It is the ego manic politicians and generals that are interested in such nonsense.
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Even though the USSR is gone, Russia is the only country that can annihilate the US.
So a forward presence in Europe close to Russia will still be something the US will be interested in.
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The ONLY way Russia or China can "annihilate" the US is with ICBMs so forward bases are pointless against that. The US would retaliate with ICBMs, not ground forces.
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Why do you think the US would leave Europe if NATO was gone?

Having a forward presence in Europe is one of the US empire's core tenets and will be discarded only if the US empire collapses financially like the USSR.
 Quoting: RomanianGuy


A "forward presence" is an occupation and military term describing a war with the long gone Soviet Union. Most US citizens are not interested in warring with ANYONE, let alone with long ago defeated enemies. It is the ego manic politicians and generals that are interested in such nonsense.
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Even though the USSR is gone, Russia is the only country that can annihilate the US.
So a forward presence in Europe close to Russia will still be something the US will be interested in.
 Quoting: RomanianGuy


The ONLY way Russia or China can "annihilate" the US is with ICBMs so forward bases are pointless against that. The US would retaliate with ICBMs, not ground forces.
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and our would reach them before they reach us, even if they fire first.
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A "forward presence" is an occupation and military term describing a war with the long gone Soviet Union. Most US citizens are not interested in warring with ANYONE, let alone with long ago defeated enemies. It is the ego manic politicians and generals that are interested in such nonsense.
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Even though the USSR is gone, Russia is the only country that can annihilate the US.
So a forward presence in Europe close to Russia will still be something the US will be interested in.
 Quoting: RomanianGuy


The ONLY way Russia or China can "annihilate" the US is with ICBMs so forward bases are pointless against that. The US would retaliate with ICBMs, not ground forces.
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and our would reach them before they reach us, even if they fire first.
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Hell even if they did get a first strike in and somehow wiped out all our hand based nukes there are always multiple subs out their armed with a dozen+ nuclear weapons meaning even a single sub could destroy Russia or China.
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A "forward presence" is an occupation and military term describing a war with the long gone Soviet Union. Most US citizens are not interested in warring with ANYONE, let alone with long ago defeated enemies. It is the ego manic politicians and generals that are interested in such nonsense.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75283842


Even though the USSR is gone, Russia is the only country that can annihilate the US.
So a forward presence in Europe close to Russia will still be something the US will be interested in.
 Quoting: RomanianGuy


The ONLY way Russia or China can "annihilate" the US is with ICBMs so forward bases are pointless against that. The US would retaliate with ICBMs, not ground forces.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78240418


and our would reach them before they reach us, even if they fire first.
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Not with S-500. Once S-500 is implemented it will be game over for the west, in theory.
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A "forward presence" is an occupation and military term describing a war with the long gone Soviet Union. Most US citizens are not interested in warring with ANYONE, let alone with long ago defeated enemies. It is the ego manic politicians and generals that are interested in such nonsense.
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Even though the USSR is gone, Russia is the only country that can annihilate the US.
So a forward presence in Europe close to Russia will still be something the US will be interested in.
 Quoting: RomanianGuy


The ONLY way Russia or China can "annihilate" the US is with ICBMs so forward bases are pointless against that. The US would retaliate with ICBMs, not ground forces.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78240418


and our would reach them before they reach us, even if they fire first.
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So what. So we blow them up 20 minutes before their own missiles hit and blow us up. Big "win." LOL.
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30 years after the Soviets collapsed.
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Not many. US taxpayers are sick of paying for all that bullshit. $21 TRILLION in debt.
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They didn't collapse, they expanded.
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i saw for myself the soviet union crumpled up on the floor reeling in pain after getting knocked the fuck out for getting mouthy.

i can reenact the evening on you if you like.
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Spoken like a true Hero of the Soviet Union.
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30 years after the Soviets collapsed.
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Not many. US taxpayers are sick of paying for all that bullshit. $21 TRILLION in debt.
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This.





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