Christ is the flaming sword that guards tree of life in the Garden of Eden.

ONE thing is for SURE.

YOU will NEVER KNOW whether I live on OR die.

AND YOU have NO SAY in the matter.

YOU're as blind as a demon can make you.

Jesus DOES NOT LIE.

John 14:16 "I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever;

John 14:26 "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you.

Shows how much you know the Bible.

Judgement is given to the saints.

And Christ's kingdom is already here, you're just blind and can't help but blaspheme God's Servants because you are evil.

Neither Jesus NOR the Holy SPirit are "manifestations" of the Father.

The Father SPEAKS to the SON.
THe Father SENDS the Son.
The Father SENDS the Holy Spirit.

The Father DOES NOT "decide" to "manifest" into either of them depending on what He wants to do.

Jesus sit's at the right hand of the Father.

YOU won't be one.

THAT is for sure. You ego and arrogance are starting to show through.

Acts 5:3-4
3 But Peter said: Ananias, why hath Satan tempted thy heart, that thou shouldst lie to the Holy Ghost, and by fraud keep part of the price of the land?
4 Whilst it remained, did it not remain to thee? and after it was sold, was it not in thy power? Why hast thou conceived this thing in thy heart? Thou hast not lied to men, but to God.

John 1:1
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Excuse me? "Won't"??????

Maybe you don’t understand how logic works. All that has to be shown is that your conclusions don’t necessarily follow. They don’t. There are numerous counterexamples. Not that a religious text full of parables and other veiled language is an appropriate place for deductive reasoning.

He knows.. Just like Judas knew.

The word manifestation is used to denote God is not of the material world.

I suspected you’d descend into ad hominem attacks. I respect your right to believe whatever you wish. But please do not approach me again. I will not engage you.

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Genesis 16:13
And she called the name of the LORD that spake unto her, Thou God seest me: for she said, Have I also here looked after him that seeth me?

Got an email address, P? I think this subject is deserving of formal correspondence.

Yeah, but I would never post it here; what can we we do.. hmm

Here, in Canada, Icons and Saints are revered not worshipped. Only Christ is worshipped? I see not what you mean. And I'm prolly only the only punter that sponsored a a former Yugoslav family over here in the early 90's I know of.

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Here. I’ll give you my real email after you write (and after I verify it’s you). I’ll check in tomorrow. Goodnight.

[email protected]

yay!

they got a room

WHO is it that declares anyone "Saints"?

Father God.

SO NOW You're claiming that YOU ARE a saint.

Nothing but ego and arrogance.

The Holy Spirit isn't a "person". Scripture NEVER refers to him as a "person".

"Minor discrepancies"??? You can make all the claims you want but you CANNOT say that comparing ya'all's "doctrine" to verses like this are minor discrepancies.

Luke 4:1 And Jesus being

full of the Holy Ghost

returned from Jordan,

and was led by the Spirit

into the wilderness,


You're argument isn't with ME.

Jesus DOES NOT LIE. Scripture doesn't lie.

Here's 9 KEY verses that you folks have NO REAL answers for.

1. Notice God ANOINTED Jesus WITH the Holy Spirit.

Acts 10:38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.


2. Jesus was FILLED with AND LED by the Holy Spirit.

Luke 4:1 And Jesus being

full of the Holy Ghost

returned from Jordan,

and was led by the Spirit

into the wilderness,


3. The Holy Spirit LANDS on Jesus.

John 1

32 And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him.

33 And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost.


4. Blaspheming Jesus is forgivable - but NOT the Holy Spirit.

Matthew 12

31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.

32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

Mark 3

28 Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme:

29 But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation:


5. The Holy Spirit was SENT on Pentecost. It wasn't Jesus.

Acts 2

3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.


6. Jesus said "the Spirit of Truth will glorify ME".

John 16

13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of
truth, is come, he will guide you into all
truth: for he shall not speak of himself;
but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he
speak: and he will shew you things to
come.
14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine,
and shall shew it unto you.


7. Jesus said the Father will send "ANOTHER Helper". That's IN ADDITION to Jesus being with the Apostles.

John 14:16 "I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever;

John 14:26 "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you.


8. BOTH John the Baptist AND Peter says that Jesus will baptise folks WITH the Holy Spirit. NOT with "Himself".

Matthew 3:11 I indeed baptize you with water
unto repentance: but he that cometh after
me is mightier than I, whose shoes I
am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize
you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:


9. AND Peter says..."the GIFT of the Holy Spirit". This is NOT Jesus' Spirit.

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent,
and be baptized every one of you in the
name of Jesus Christ for the remission of
sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the
Holy Ghost.


10. Peter - and others - "filled with the Holy Ghost" - NOT Jesus.

Acts 4:8 Then Peter, filled with the Holy
Ghost, said unto them, Ye rulers of the
people, and elders of Israel,

Acts 4:31 And when they had prayed, the
place was shaken where they were assembled together;
and they were all filled with the Holy Ghost,
and they spake the word of God with boldness.

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"How logic works"???

There isn't ONE SINGLE person in scripture that actually calls Jesus THE Holy Spirit. He's called...

...wait for it...

...the SON OF God.
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Here is a list of the people in the Bible who claim that Jesus is the Son of God, and then those who claim that he is God the Son. I will keep it simple and not list the verses that claim that Jesus is the Messiah, the Christ, the Son of Man, or the king of Israel. All these titles are synonymous.

People in the Bible who say Jesus IS God.

Thomas

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People in the Bible who say Jesus is "God the Son"

Nobody.

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Son of God

God Himself refers to Jesus as His Son: Matthew 2:15, 3:17, 17:5, Mk 1:11, 9:7, Luke 9:35

Jesus says that he is the Son of God: Mark 14:61-62, John 3:16, John 3:18, John 9:35, 10:36

The angel Gabriel says Jesus is the Son of God: Luke 1:35

Peter says that Jesus is the Son of God: Matthew 16:16

John the Apostle says Jesus is the Son of God: John 20:31, 1 John 3:23, 4:15, 5:5

All the Apostles say Jesus is the Son of God: Matthew 14:33, John 6:69

John the Baptist says Jesus is the Son of God: John 1:34

John Mark says Jesus is the Son of God: Mark 1:1

Paul says Jesus is the Son of God: Acts 9:20, Romans 1:4, 1 Corinthians 1:9, 2 Corinthians 1:19, Galatians 2:20, Hebrews 4:14

Nathanael says Jesus is the Son of God: John 1:49

Centurions says Jesus is the Son of God: Matthew 27:54, Mark 15:39

satan says Jesus is the Son of God: Matthew 4:3, 4:6, Luke 4:3

Demons say Jesus is the Son of God: Matthew 8:29, Mark 3:11, 5:7,Luke 4:41, 8:28

NOT ONE of the verses below have ANYTHING to do with "parables" NOR "veiled language".

These are straight / to the point teachings / facts.
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1. Notice God ANOINTED Jesus WITH the Holy Spirit.

Acts 10:38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.


2. Jesus was FILLED with AND LED by the Holy Spirit.

Luke 4:1 And Jesus being

full of the Holy Ghost

returned from Jordan,

and was led by the Spirit

into the wilderness,


3. The Holy Spirit LANDS on Jesus.

John 1

32 And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him.

33 And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost.


4. Blaspheming Jesus is forgivable - but NOT the Holy Spirit.

Matthew 12

31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.

32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

Mark 3

28 Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme:

29 But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation:


5. The Holy Spirit was SENT on Pentecost. It wasn't Jesus.

Acts 2

3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.


6. Jesus said "the Spirit of Truth will glorify ME".

John 16

13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of
truth, is come, he will guide you into all
truth: for he shall not speak of himself;
but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he
speak: and he will shew you things to come.

14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine,
and shall shew it unto you.


7. Jesus said the Father will send "ANOTHER Helper". That's IN ADDITION to Jesus being with the Apostles.

John 14:16 "I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever;

John 14:26 "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you.


8. BOTH John the Baptist AND Peter says that Jesus will baptise folks WITH the Holy Spirit. NOT with "Himself".

Matthew 3:11 I indeed baptize you with water
unto repentance: but he that cometh after
me is mightier than I, whose shoes I
am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize
you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:


9. AND Peter says..."the GIFT of the Holy Spirit". This is NOT Jesus' Spirit.

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent,
and be baptized every one of you in the
name of Jesus Christ for the remission of
sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the
Holy Ghost.


10. Peter - and others - "filled with the Holy Ghost" - NOT Jesus.

Acts 4:8 Then Peter, filled with the Holy
Ghost, said unto them, Ye rulers of the
people, and elders of Israel,

Acts 4:31 And when they had prayed, the
place was shaken where they were assembled together;
and they were all filled with the Holy Ghost,
and they spake the word of God with boldness.

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Under YOUR "theory", EVERY VERSE in the Bible where the Holy Ghost / Holy Spirit is mentioned SHOULD SAY Jesus???

NONE of the above makes ANY sense.

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Take a serious look at the implications of your Holy Spirit Jesus "THEORY".

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0. Holy Spirit Jesus danced on the heads of the Apostles at Pentecost in Acts.

1. Son of God Jesus was led to the wilderness by Holy Spirit Jesus?

2. Son of God Jesus was filled WITH Holy Spirit Jesus?

3. Holy Spirit Jesus landed on Son of God Jesus after He was baptized?

4. Son of God Jesus had to go to heaven BEFORE Holy Spirit Jesus would be SENT?

5. Son of God Jesus would SEND Holy Spirit Jesus once He went to Heaven?

6. Holy Ghost Jesus impregnated Mary with Son of God Jesus?

7. Blaspheming Son of God Jesus is forgivable but blaspheming Holy Spirit Jesus IS NOT forgivable?

I know there are "Old School" Orthodox peoples in Russia. They don't use electricity, and they live far from civilization. There are no roads to their land. I studied many works of Orthodox people. There are some mind opening books. I believe that there are real Christians in every religion. Not everyone who is involved in religion knows God.

But he can't beat Corona

Romans 1:7
to all who are beloved of God in Rome, called as saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

1 Corinthians 1:
To the church of God which is at Corinth, to those who have been sanctified in Christ Jesus, saints by calling, with all who in every place call on the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, their Lord and ours:

2 Corinthians 1:1
Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God, and Timothy our brother, To the church of God which is at Corinth with all the saints who are throughout Achaia:

Colossians 1:2
To the saints and faithful brethren in Christ who are at Colossae: Grace to you and peace from God our Father.

Ephesians 1:1
Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God, To the saints who are at Ephesus and who are faithful in Christ Jesus:

Philippians 1:1
Paul and Timothy, bond-servants of Christ Jesus, To all the saints in Christ Jesus who are in Philippi, including the overseers and deacons:

Ephesians 5:25-26
25 Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her 26 to make her holy, cleansing her by the washing with water through the word,

John 17:17
Sanctify them by Your truth. Your word is truth.

John 15:3
3 Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.

Ephesians 6:17
And take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the Spirit, which is the Word of God,

SO WHAT?

NONE of that PROVES that Father God NOR His SON approved of those folks as "saints".

Humans did.

You don't get to proclaim YOURSELF as a saint.

I guess you missed the verses where Jesus said to be HUMBLE.