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Christ is the flaming sword that guards tree of life in the Garden of Eden.

 
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BEFORE GOD WAS

WAS THE WORD

THAT IS JESUS CHRIST

n the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him;

IF YOU DON'T KNOW

THEN YOU ARE SUBJECT TO THAT LACK OF KNOWLEDGE

OR

YOU ARE A SLAVE TO YOUR OWN LACK OF KNOWLEDGE
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78258948

In John 20:17 Jesus declares the Father is God.

John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
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And YOU are even MORE stupid!

"BEFORE God"???? chuckle

WHEN exactly was the time "before God"? Not scriptural.

You're another numbskull that takes John's 1:1 AND YET IGNORES a vast number of other verses that make your UNDERSTANDING of John 1 to be INCORRECT.

"Jesus IS the Father" is an ignorant false doctrine that IGNORES crucial verses of the Bible.

John 17 shows us that Jesus was WITH the Father in the beginning.

5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

Genesis 1:26 verse of "Let Us make man in OUR image". Only Jesus and the Father would qualify as the "Us" and "our" individuals.

In John 5 Jesus makes this statement.

19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.

So how did Jesus LEARN to do anything?

By WATCHING the Father. So anything created by Jesus was done AFTER He had seen the Father do similar.

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Father God was NEVER "born", yet Jesus makes this statement.

John 18:37 Therefore Pilate said to Him, "So You are a king?" Jesus answered, "You say correctly that I am a king For this I have been born, and for this I have come into the world, to testify to the truth Everyone who is of the truth hears My voice."

Then...

Colossians 1:15-18

15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

So therefore, God, the Father, created Jesus.

And being both a "created entity", AND having been SENT to earth BY the Father, is "how" Jesus died.

This verse in Revelation clearly shows Jesus as both "firstborn of creation" AND "firstborn of the dead".

Revelation 2:8 And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive;

God Himself didn't die for us. God CANNOT die.

Jesus earthly body did - He did this at the Father's commandment.

John 6

38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.

39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.



John 12:49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.
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Bonus verses by Jesus about who the Creator is.

Mark 10

5 And Jesus answered and said unto them, For the hardness of your heart he wrote you this precept.
6 But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female.
7 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife;
8 And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh.
9 What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.


Matthew 19:4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,

Mark 13:19 For in those days shall be affliction, such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be.

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Lol, you're a trinitarian.

You don't believe Jesus is the Spirit.

No different than a Catholic or a protestant.
 Quoting: Photine 75598088


LOL

Anyone who's actually READ the New Testament can TELL that Jesus Yeshua is the SON OF God...

...NOT the Holy Spirit.
...NOT Father God.

yoda
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Jesus is not a cherubim. The tree of life is an actual tree that will line the streets of The New Jerusalem City where the Saints will live. That city is huge! 1,500 miles wide and high. There will be thousands of Trees of Life. Each one with 12 different fruits and the leaves will be distributed world wide as medicine.
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Jer 23:29
Is not My Word like a fire? saith the LORD? and like a hammer that breaketh the rock in pieces?
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Lol, you're a trinitarian.

You don't believe Jesus is the Spirit.

No different than a Catholic or a protestant.
 Quoting: Photine 75598088


LOL

Anyone who's actually READ the New Testament can TELL that Jesus Yeshua is the SON OF God...

...NOT the Holy Spirit.
 Quoting: TheLordsServant


2 Cor 3:16-4:5
the veil is removed in Christ.
whenever a person turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away.
the Lord is the Spirit.
we preach Jesus Christ as Lord,"
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Jesus is not a cherubim.
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Did you read the first post?
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Yes, sword. S...WORD.

Flaming sword is the unadulterated language of light. burnit
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Jesus is not a cherubim. The tree of life is an actual tree that will line the streets of The New Jerusalem City where the Saints will live. That city is huge! 1,500 miles wide and high. There will be thousands of Trees of Life. Each one with 12 different fruits and the leaves will be distributed world wide as medicine.
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You are full of shit.
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Jer 23:29
Is not My Word like a fire? saith the LORD? and like a hammer that breaketh the rock in pieces?
 Quoting: Photine 75598088



 Quoting: Bee Free


Daniel 2:34
34 Thou sawest till that a stone was cut out without hands, which smote the image upon his feet that were of iron and clay, and brake them to pieces.
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Take your book of fiction and shove up your christian collective asses.
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Take your book of fiction and shove up your christian collective asses.
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Naa all of it is not fiction but they just don't understand the real meaning, and in my experience it's probably for the best.
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Take your book of fiction and shove up your christian collective asses.
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Naa all of it is not fiction but they just don't understand the real meaning, and in my experience it's probably for the best.
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bump
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It's very easy to belive that unless you understand what religius books tells you are going to hell.
It's not the case.
Maybe somebody wants you to have a feeling of beeing in hell, and they never give you any comfort, yet hints at the notion that you just have to read a little more, just have to learn the secret, just have to...
Presenting you with...
Look at this.. Look at that.. Do like this.. Do like that..
You end up feeling powerless and humiliated even abused.
If you listened to your feelings you would know what's up and down, told to ignore your own feelings.. You're damn right, they are sock puppets.
Be your self
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Gen 1:1-21
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters. And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light.

Matt 22:25-27
25 Shortly before dawn, Jesus came to them, walking on the sea. 26 When the disciples saw him walking on the sea, they were terrified and cried out, “It’s a ghost!” And they screamed in terror.
27 “Have courage!” Jesus immediately told them. “It’s me. Stop being afraid!”
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Take your book of fiction and shove up your christian collective asses.
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I forgive the heck out of you.
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Nehemiah 4:18
And each of the builders worked with his sword strapped at his side. But the trumpeter stayed beside me.
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1 Chronicles 21:16 The Message (MSG)
The angel of God had just reached the threshing floor of Araunah the Jebusite. David looked up and saw the angel hovering between earth and sky, sword drawn and about to strike Jerusalem. David and the elders bowed in prayer and covered themselves with rough burlap.
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Luke 23:

39:One of the criminals who hung there hurled insults at him: “Aren’t you the Messiah? Save yourself and us!”

40:the other criminal rebuked him. “Don’t you fear God,” he said, “since you are under the same sentence? 41:We are punished justly, for we are getting what our deeds deserve. But this man has done nothing wrong.”

42:The he said, “Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom.

43:Jesus answered him, “Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77543161


In many modern languages, commas are used to convey or clarify the meaning of a sentence. But in the earliest available Greek manuscripts, punctuation was not consistently used.

Thus, the question arises: Was Jesus saying, “I tell you, today you will be with me in Paradise”?

Or was he saying, “I tell you today, you will be with me in Paradise”?

Translators may insert a comma according to what they think that Jesus meant, and you can find either rendering in common Bible versions.

How can we reason on what Jesus must have meant?

Recall that Jesus had earlier told his followers: “The Son of man will be in the heart of the earth for three days and three nights.”

He also said: “The Son of man is going to be betrayed into men’s hands, and they will kill him, and on the third day he will be raised up.” (Matt. 12:40; 16:21; 17:22, 23; Mark 10:34)

The apostle Peter reports that this happened. (Acts 10:39, 40)

So Jesus did not go to any Paradise on the day he and that criminal died.
Jesus was “in the Grave [or “Hades”]” for days, until God resurrected him.


Acts 2:31
he foresaw and spoke about the resurrection of the Christ, that neither was he forsaken in the Grave nor did his flesh see corruption.

32 God resurrected this Jesus, and of this we are all witnesses.

33 Therefore, because he was exalted to* the right hand of God and received the promised holy spirit from the Father,
he has poured out what you see and hear.

34 For David did not ascend to the heavens, but he himself says, ‘Jehovah said to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand
35 until I place your enemies as a stool for your feet.”’
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Lol, you're a trinitarian.

You don't believe Jesus is the Spirit.

No different than a Catholic or a protestant.
 Quoting: Photine 75598088


LOL

Anyone who's actually READ the New Testament can TELL that Jesus Yeshua is the SON OF God...

...NOT the Holy Spirit.
 Quoting: TheLordsServant


2 Cor 3:16-4:5
the veil is removed in Christ.
whenever a person turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away.
the Lord is the Spirit.
we preach Jesus Christ as Lord,"

 Quoting: Photine 75598088


A piss-poor translation as I have already PROVEN.

SEVERAL other verses ALSO prove you NONSENSE to be WRONG.

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more like a flaming failure
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Luke 23:

39:One of the criminals who hung there hurled insults at him: “Aren’t you the Messiah? Save yourself and us!”

40:the other criminal rebuked him. “Don’t you fear God,” he said, “since you are under the same sentence? 41:We are punished justly, for we are getting what our deeds deserve. But this man has done nothing wrong.”

42:The he said, “Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom.

43:Jesus answered him, “Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77543161


In many modern languages, commas are used to convey or clarify the meaning of a sentence. But in the earliest available Greek manuscripts, punctuation was not consistently used.

Thus, the question arises: Was Jesus saying, “I tell you, today you will be with me in Paradise”?

Or was he saying, “I tell you today, you will be with me in Paradise”?

Translators may insert a comma according to what they think that Jesus meant, and you can find either rendering in common Bible versions.

How can we reason on what Jesus must have meant?

Recall that Jesus had earlier told his followers: “The Son of man will be in the heart of the earth for three days and three nights.”

He also said: “The Son of man is going to be betrayed into men’s hands, and they will kill him, and on the third day he will be raised up.” (Matt. 12:40; 16:21; 17:22, 23; Mark 10:34)

The apostle Peter reports that this happened. (Acts 10:39, 40)

So Jesus did not go to any Paradise on the day he and that criminal died.
Jesus was “in the Grave [or “Hades”]” for days, until God resurrected him.


Acts 2:31
he foresaw and spoke about the resurrection of the Christ, that neither was he forsaken in the Grave nor did his flesh see corruption.

32 God resurrected this Jesus, and of this we are all witnesses.

33 Therefore, because he was exalted to* the right hand of God and received the promised holy spirit from the Father,
he has poured out what you see and hear.

34 For David did not ascend to the heavens, but he himself says, ‘Jehovah said to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand
35 until I place your enemies as a stool for your feet.”’
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77505643


Jesus BODY was in the grave for 3 days.

NOT His spirit.

Father God gave Jesus a commandment to raise His OWN body.

John 10

17 Therefore doth my Father love me,
because I lay down my life, that I might
take it again.
18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay
it down of myself. I have power to lay it
down, and I have power to take it again.
This commandment have I received of
my Father.

I am a humble Servant of the one True Living God.
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Luke 23:

39:One of the criminals who hung there hurled insults at him: “Aren’t you the Messiah? Save yourself and us!”

40:the other criminal rebuked him. “Don’t you fear God,” he said, “since you are under the same sentence? 41:We are punished justly, for we are getting what our deeds deserve. But this man has done nothing wrong.”

42:The he said, “Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom.

43:Jesus answered him, “Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77543161


In many modern languages, commas are used to convey or clarify the meaning of a sentence. But in the earliest available Greek manuscripts, punctuation was not consistently used.

Thus, the question arises: Was Jesus saying, “I tell you, today you will be with me in Paradise”?

Or was he saying, “I tell you today, you will be with me in Paradise”?

Translators may insert a comma according to what they think that Jesus meant, and you can find either rendering in common Bible versions.

How can we reason on what Jesus must have meant?

Recall that Jesus had earlier told his followers: “The Son of man will be in the heart of the earth for three days and three nights.”

He also said: “The Son of man is going to be betrayed into men’s hands, and they will kill him, and on the third day he will be raised up.” (Matt. 12:40; 16:21; 17:22, 23; Mark 10:34)

The apostle Peter reports that this happened. (Acts 10:39, 40)

So Jesus did not go to any Paradise on the day he and that criminal died.
Jesus was “in the Grave [or “Hades”]” for days, until God resurrected him.


Acts 2:31
he foresaw and spoke about the resurrection of the Christ, that neither was he forsaken in the Grave nor did his flesh see corruption.

32 God resurrected this Jesus, and of this we are all witnesses.

33 Therefore, because he was exalted to* the right hand of God and received the promised holy spirit from the Father,
he has poured out what you see and hear.

34 For David did not ascend to the heavens, but he himself says, ‘Jehovah said to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand
35 until I place your enemies as a stool for your feet.”’
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77505643


Jesus BODY was in the grave for 3 days.

NOT His spirit.

Father God gave Jesus a commandment to raise His OWN body.

John 10

17 Therefore doth my Father love me,
because I lay down my life, that I might
take it again.
18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay
it down of myself. I have power to lay it
down, and I have power to take it again.
This commandment have I received of
my Father.

 Quoting: TheLordsServant


John 2:19
Jesus answered them, "Destroy this temple, and I will raise it again in three days."

Zechariah 4:6
Then he said to me, “This is the word of the Lord to Zerubbabel: Not by might, nor by power, but by my Spirit, says the Lord of hosts.
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Lol, you're a trinitarian.

You don't believe Jesus is the Spirit.

No different than a Catholic or a protestant.
 Quoting: Photine 75598088


LOL

Anyone who's actually READ the New Testament can TELL that Jesus Yeshua is the SON OF God...

...NOT the Holy Spirit.
 Quoting: TheLordsServant


2 Cor 3:16-4:5
the veil is removed in Christ.
whenever a person turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away.
the Lord is the Spirit.
we preach Jesus Christ as Lord,"

 Quoting: Photine 75598088


A piss-poor translation as I have already PROVEN.

SEVERAL other verses ALSO prove you NONSENSE to be WRONG.
 Quoting: TheLordsServant


You don't preach Jesus as Lord. Ouch.
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Ezekiel 37:14
I will put My Spirit in you and you will live,
and I will settle you in your own land. Then you will know that I, the LORD, have spoken, and I will do it, declares the LORD.

1 Cor 15:45
The Scriptures tell us, “The first man, Adam, became a living person.” But the last Adam—that is, Christ—is a life-giving Spirit.

1 Cor 8:6b
And there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things were created, and through whom we live.

2 Cor 3:16-4:5
the veil is removed in Christ.
whenever a person turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away.
the Lord is the Spirit.
we preach Jesus Christ as Lord,"



Ps 33:6
By the Word of the LORD the heavens were made, And by the Spirit of His mouth all their host.

Ps 104:30
When You send Your Spirit, they are created, and You renew the face of the earth.
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Lol, you're a trinitarian.

You don't believe Jesus is the Spirit.

No different than a Catholic or a protestant.
 Quoting: Photine 75598088


LOL

Anyone who's actually READ the New Testament can TELL that Jesus Yeshua is the SON OF God...

...NOT the Holy Spirit.
 Quoting: TheLordsServant


2 Cor 3:16-4:5
the veil is removed in Christ.
whenever a person turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away.
the Lord is the Spirit.
we preach Jesus Christ as Lord,"

 Quoting: Photine 75598088


2 Corinthians 3:16 quotes THIS:

Exodus 34:34

34 But when Moses would go in before Jehovah to speak with him, he would take off the veil until he went out.

Then he went out and revealed to the Israelites the commands he had received.




2 Corinthians 3:16-4:5

16 But when one turns to Jehovah,* the veil is taken away.

17 Now Jehovah* is the Spirit, and where the spirit of Jehovah* is, there is freedom.
18 And all of us, while we with unveiled faces reflect like mirrors the glory of Jehovah,* are transformed into the same image from one degree of glory to another,* exactly as it is done by Jehovah* the Spirit.

4 Therefore, since we have this ministry through the mercy that was shown us, we do not give up.
2 But we have renounced the shameful, underhanded things, not walking with cunning or adulterating the word of God;

[WHICH IS SO REFRESHINGLY DIFFERENT ! }

but by making the truth manifest, we recommend ourselves to every human conscience in the sight of God.
3 If, in fact, the good news we declare is veiled, it is veiled among those who are perishing,
4 among whom the god of this system of things* has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, so that the illumination* of the glorious good news about the Christ, who is the image of God, might not shine through.

5 For we are preaching, not about ourselves, but about Jesus Christ as Lord and ourselves as your slaves for Jesus’ sake.

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Jehovah* the Spirit.
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Nope.

The Spirit of God is the Word , not the Father.

You're ADDING "Jehovah" into the text. Paul said the Lord and identified the Lord as Christ.

Ephesians 6:17
And take ye the helmet of health, and the sword of the Ghost, that is, the Word of God.


2 Samuel 23:2
The Spirit of the Lord spoke through me;
His Word was on my tongue.

Ps 33:6
By the Word of the Lord the heavens were established; and all the power of them by the Spirit of his mouth
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The Holy Spirit is the person of Jesus. Not the Father. You have to change the text to support your doctrine.
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John 14:18
I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.





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