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NSA Trapdoor Access Built into Windows Drivers ADVAPI.DLL

 
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08/07/2007 10:31 AM
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There has been enough interest generated on this thread that I agree that it should be PINNED.
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08/07/2007 10:33 AM
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i am thinking of using ubuntu for the desktop -- if i get a wireless card (say dlink or linksys) from the local store and install it -- would ubuntu have drivers for them because i cannot see it on the box label... ..??

or printer drivers etc etc etc
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 270632

As far as i know, setting up hardware is a cake. No need to extract driver from anywhere. It's just intelligent enough to indentify itself. Or so i've heard.

[link to www.ubuntu.com]

Go find out.
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bump
Please pin it.
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08/07/2007 11:35 AM
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If you are so paranoid about NSA or anyone else accessing your computer why don't you just learn more about it?

This article is total BS. Granted Windows (like EVERY operating system) is not 100% secure. But there isn't built in NSA backdoors in ANY version of Windows.

Are there vulnerabilities? You bet. Just like there are in every operating sytem available to the public. Yes, that includes Linux.

Just google "hack <insert any operating system here>" and you will find countless websites with all kinds of discussions on security holes in every operating system.

What your computer to be 100% secure? Then rub a lamp!
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08/07/2007 11:56 AM
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If you are so paranoid about NSA or anyone else accessing your computer why don't you just learn more about it?

This article is total BS. Granted Windows (like EVERY operating system) is not 100% secure. But there isn't built in NSA backdoors in ANY version of Windows.

Are there vulnerabilities? You bet. Just like there are in every operating sytem available to the public. Yes, that includes Linux.

Just google "hack <insert any operating system here>" and you will find countless websites with all kinds of discussions on security holes in every operating system.

What your computer to be 100% secure? Then rub a lamp!
 Quoting: Just A Thought 93768

You you want me to learn counter-hacking it? I'm sad to say i dont have enough intelligence to learn it.
Also, it really shouldnt be nessesary to hack your OS to keep sure the makers didn't expose you intentionally, now should it?
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08/07/2007 11:58 AM
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You you want me to learn count-hacking it? I'm sad to say i dont have enough intelligence to learn it.
Also, it really shouldnt be nessesary to hack your OS to keep sure the makers didn't expose you intentionally, now should it?
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Your best solution would be to just stop using a computer period.
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08/07/2007 12:03 PM
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Your best solution would be to just stop using a computer period.
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Ok, thanks for the advice.
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08/07/2007 12:05 PM
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>>>> What your computer to be 100% secure? Then rub a lamp! <<<

rub ya dick?
Just A Thought
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08/07/2007 12:11 PM
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>>>> What your computer to be 100% secure? Then rub a lamp! <<<

rub ya dick?
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No, rub a lamp. As in maybe a Genie will appear to secure your computer for you.
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08/07/2007 12:11 PM
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There has been enough interest generated on this thread that I agree that it should be PINNED.
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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 278775


The only interest I had was being mildy surprised at the efforts people make to whip a dead horse.
Silent Human

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08/07/2007 12:26 PM
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There has been enough interest generated on this thread that I agree that it should be PINNED.
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The only interest I had was being mildy surprised at the efforts people make to whip a dead horse.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 277952

Perhaps there's still a little go in it... We won't find out if we don't whip it.
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08/07/2007 12:51 PM
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an ordinary day at vista :

[link to img233.imageshack.us]


BTW : TURN OFF "Remote Registry" services ( 2000,XP,VISTA )

it is on automatic per default - if I know your IP and you have no online blocking tool I have read/write access to your Win Registry ( The heart of Windows ) !!

also in Vista the "Windows Defender" is a hoax, it pretends to search your PC for Viruses and flowers, cleans them and sends report to MS, but try it :

install flowers of all sorts - Windows Defender WONT FIND THEM!

this thng is all day active and one of the reasons for the horsepower one needs to run Vista, it slows down badly and seems to collect data, but only if online.

"Problems and Solutions" : great, my problems are reported to MS, but there is seldom any solution.. like "Office xp is no longer supported, buy Office 2007"... why the hell then this thing alos collects any info it can get ?

and so on.
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08/07/2007 01:09 PM
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absolute rubbish, i know i wrote the dll.
Silent Human

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08/07/2007 01:20 PM
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absolute rubbish, i know i wrote the dll.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 278852

Windows developers attending the conference did not deny that the "NSA" key was built into their software. But they refused to talk about what the key did, or why it had been put there without users' knowledge.
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08/07/2007 01:22 PM
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"Anonymous Coward
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YOU are an urban myth.
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08/07/2007 01:23 PM
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08/07/2007 01:30 PM
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:) im sorry to do so, i am a bit sketchy.
Are you saying; deal with it, it's just the way it is? I belive it is a violation of forigen policies if it was collected from my computer,(dont hang me on it).
 Quoting: Silent Human


I'm not sure about foreign policies, but I doubt countries around the world don't already know of these backdoor passages

Yes, you basically do have to deal with it, access is available to probably every operating system through backdoor passages. The only way I can see someone blocking it would be to be a paranoid programmer that watches all traffic and can write the appropriate scripts and all

Linux, possibly safer, but I doubt it... if they want to get into your system, they can

But then they don't really need to track your personal files on your harddrive when they can just watch all the internet traffic coming from your computer.
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08/07/2007 01:33 PM
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an ordinary day at vista :

[link to img233.imageshack.us]


BTW : TURN OFF "Remote Registry" services ( 2000,XP,VISTA )

it is on automatic per default - if I know your IP and you have no online blocking tool I have read/write access to your Win Registry ( The heart of Windows ) !!

also in Vista the "Windows Defender" is a hoax, it pretends to search your PC for Viruses and flowers, cleans them and sends report to MS, but try it :

install flowers of all sorts - Windows Defender WONT FIND THEM!

this thng is all day active and one of the reasons for the horsepower one needs to run Vista, it slows down badly and seems to collect data, but only if online.

"Problems and Solutions" : great, my problems are reported to MS, but there is seldom any solution.. like "Office xp is no longer supported, buy Office 2007"... why the hell then this thing alos collects any info it can get ?

and so on.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 278652


If you do not want Windows Defender to send anything to MS then say NO when it prompts you if you want to participate, during the install process.

Flowers? WTF is that in the context you mention?

MS isnt going to contact you directly if you use the "send report" to MS. It collects this information in an attempt to resolve common issues.

The NSA has security guidlines for Windows, OS X and Sun Solaris. [link to www.nsa.gov]

You people crack me up. Your home has locks on the doors and windows right? You think that will keep someone out that really wants in?

The only thing the casual computer users needs to worry about accessing their system is a virus, trojan or a worm.

Then again breaking into "your" computer a hacker can claim to be L33t!!! LMAO
Silent Human

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08/07/2007 01:37 PM
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I'm not sure about foreign policies, but I doubt countries around the world don't already know of these backdoor passages

Yes, you basically do have to deal with it, access is available to probably every operating system through backdoor passages. The only way I can see someone blocking it would be to be a paranoid programmer that watches all traffic and can write the appropriate scripts and all

Linux, possibly safer, but I doubt it... if they want to get into your system, they can

But then they don't really need to track your personal files on your harddrive when they can just watch all the internet traffic coming from your computer.
 Quoting: Fool 260063

Why do i have to live with it?
It dosn't help me that the ones at the top know, I didn't. It's not about hackers, it's about a worldwide(and it dosn't get much more world wide when talking about computers then Microsoft) corporation possibly implanting programming to extract sencitive information and export it to the NSA of the USA.
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08/07/2007 01:44 PM
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Re: NSA Trapdoor Access Built into Windows Drivers ADVAPI.DLL
If you do not want Windows Defender to send anything to MS then say NO when it prompts you if you want to participate, during the install process.

Flowers? WTF is that in the context you mention?

MS isnt going to contact you directly if you use the "send report" to MS. It collects this information in an attempt to resolve common issues.

The NSA has security guidlines for Windows, OS X and Sun Solaris. [link to www.nsa.gov]

You people crack me up. Your home has locks on the doors and windows right? You think that will keep someone out that really wants in?

The only thing the casual computer users needs to worry about accessing their system is a virus, trojan or a worm.

Then again breaking into "your" computer a hacker can claim to be L33t!!! LMAO
 Quoting: Just A Thought 93768

1. Im on the XPSP2. I block the dll through the firewall for now.
2. I didnt send any report of the kind you emply, i send a request for an audience with a executive from Microsoft. It's a standard form if any press wants to have them on their show ect.
3. I dont have lock on all my doors and windows in the fasion you emply.
4. This is not about elites competing.
It's about the possibility that a firm with a gigant clientel leak sensitive info and export it. OK?
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Anonymous Coward
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08/07/2007 02:16 PM
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ADVAPI IS SIMPLY AN ESSENTIAL DLL THAT ALLOWS PROGRAMS TO RETRIEVE VALUED FROM THE SYSTEMS REGISTRY DATABASE.

STOP THIS NONSENSE.
Silent Human

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08/07/2007 02:22 PM
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STOP THIS NONSENSE.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 278382

Trying to! Thanks! hf

Also; it's not the entire file that is the problem. It is the "keys" that according to Microsoft programmers of the linkage library exsist(ed).
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08/07/2007 02:58 PM
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I wonder if they have the same shit in the MAC OS? Gawd I hope not! But then if not, why not?

The govenment has been one of Micro$oft's largest customers for a few decades. Chances are this has been built in knowingly by M$oft to allow the government to load and snoop when ever and where ever they like.

Typical of both MS and the US Government. Who's going to curb the abuse of power that's all too common in the government today, and of course they enlist major corporations to help aid and abet them in their nefarious and illegal little schems.
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08/07/2007 03:09 PM
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Wow... that is some serious shit if true... how many people around the world use windows and have the internet? the NSA could be keeping tabs on everyone, they could even have lots of other countries top-secret military plans and info....

I found it interesting that the file to take out the NSA key has been removed from the Cryptonym site, in fact, everything has been removed and replaced with:

"Yes, this is the website of Cryptonym Corporation (of the "NSA Key" fame).

I hope to, sometime in the near future, put a brief explanation the whole story online, so stay tuned..."

I just had a look for the file on my comp, couldn't find it, but found something similar called advapi32.dll, i copied it somewhere else, changed it to a .txt file, as you do, then opened it, clicked find, and typed NSA, but search came up empty handed. Could this be a little conjured up story?
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08/07/2007 03:13 PM
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I wonder if there are different back door keys for different operating systems or if there is one or two keys for all. I think I found one in my computer, but it and its gif cannot be deleted. It originates at Redmond.
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Who's going to curb the abuse of power that's all too common in the government today, and of course they enlist major corporations to help aid and abet them in their nefarious and illegal little schems.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 276281

We live do we not? So we can fight can we not? I don't plan on stopping. Hopefully others wont either. With or without the MS part, it's a just cause to fight. I belive. Power to the people.
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08/07/2007 03:21 PM
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Re: NSA Trapdoor Access Built into Windows Drivers ADVAPI.DLL
PATCHING OR REPLACING ADVAPI.DLL WOULD NOT BE A COPYRIHGHT INFRINGMENT.

DUE TO ITS CRIMINAL NATURE.

IF YOU BELIEVE THE HYPE, THAT IS.
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PATCHING OR REPLACING ADVAPI.DLL WOULD NOT BE A COPYRIHGHT INFRINGMENT.

DUE TO ITS CRIMINAL NATURE.

IF YOU BELIEVE THE HYPE, THAT IS.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 278382

how would one go about 'patching' or replacing this file?
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PATCHING OR REPLACING ADVAPI.DLL WOULD NOT BE A COPYRIHGHT INFRINGMENT.

DUE TO ITS CRIMINAL NATURE.

IF YOU BELIEVE THE HYPE, THAT IS.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 278382

Ok thank for that info.
The hype :) ATM I do, but once more i have to say:
Should we have to? IT just should not be there, and it is.

If you belive the hype that is.
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*EDIT* Multi posts. Sorry.
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