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JESUS CHRIST (YESHUA) IS NOT ALMIGHTY GOD HE IS NOT A TRINITY!!!

 
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JESUS CHRIST (YESHUA) IS NOT ALMIGHTY GOD HE IS NOT A TRINITY!!!
There is nothing in the Bible that teaches the trinity doctrine. Nothing at all! The doctrine is actually derived from pagan sources, not the Bible. Certain Scripture is interpreted as fitting the trinity doctrine understanding. However, these are certainly not proofs of the trinity since the very same Scripture also fits with the actual truth as taught in the Bible.



There are others, like me, who do not believe in the trinity. However, many of them are also saying that Jesus is just a created being and not Divine from the beginning. They believe that God the Father first created Jesus who then created everything else in the created Universe. Is that what happened? Is that what the Bible teaches? Who is Jesus? Does the Bible say that He was created?



Is Jesus Created?

Colossians 1:15 is sometimes used, by some, to say that Jesus was just the first born in the creation process; That God created Jesus, then Jesus created everything else.

Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: Colossians 1:15 KJV

However with this meaning, Colossians 1 would not even make sense with itself. Here is the verse in the NKJV which gives it a different meaning:

He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.

For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him.

And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist. Colossians 1:15-17. NKJV

In verse 16, it says that all things were created by Jesus. This would mean that Jesus Himself is not created because He certainly did not create Himself!

The three statements in verses 16 and 17 are these: All things were created by Him. All things were created through Him and for Him. In Him all things consist. Paul also says that Jesus existed before all things!

So if Jesus existed before all things that were created, then we know that when it says all things were created by Jesus, we then must understand that Jesus had a special part to play in the creation of all things.

John also explicitly spells out who created all things, but John goes one step further, he also says that nothing else was ever created!

All things were made through Him [Jesus], and without Him nothing was made that was made. John 1:3

Because of what John 1:3 says, we can now say the same things as before but with added assurance, because John not only says that all things were made by Jesus, but John then says that there was nothing made that He did not have a part in making.

Is there anything in these Scripture which say that God first created Jesus, then Jesus created everything else? No, it does not! Jesus did not create everything else. He created all things and without Him nothing was made that was made! So, there is nothing that was created that Jesus did not have a part in creating.

God the Father did not create Jesus because John 1:3 says that nothing was made that was made without Jesus!

Now, let us again look at Colossians 1:15 with verses 16 and 17:

He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.

For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him.

And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist. Colossians 1:15-17. NKJV

The idea that Jesus could be the first created being, in verse 15, just does not fit with the thought in verse 16. Does this make sense? Jesus was the first to be created because all things were created by Him. No, the two thoughts clash. How can Jesus be the first to be created when all things were created by Him! Also, there is no progression of thought. There is nothing that the second sentence can add to the first sentence, in its meaning, because they clash.

But now, does this make much better sense? Jesus rules over all creation because all things were created by Him. Yes, it does make better sense! Verse 16 answers why the statement in verse 15 is true: Now why is it that Jesus rules over all creation? It is because all things were created by Him. This is good progression of thought where the second and third verse builds upon the first verse.

So, within the context of verses 16 and 17, Jesus is the image of the invisible God, He is the firstborn over all creation because He is the one who created everything. He is over creation, He is not part of the creation.

There is also an added meaning in the Jewish mind with the concept of being the firstborn. The first born is the one who gets the coveted birthright. He is the heir! So, when they read that the Son is the firstborn, the birthright is part of the package. It is part of their thinking. So, the Son of God would be the heir of all creation. Thus the sentence is probably saying that the Son of God is the possessor of all created things, of all creation; Not that He is the first created being to be born.

So the verses could be saying: "He is the image of the invisible God, the heir of all creation. For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth . . . All things were created through Him and for Him and He is before all things, and in Him all things consist." Thus He would be the firstborn over all creation and the fact that all things were created through Him is the reason why He is the firstborn and heir!

There are many translations of the Bible that say Jesus was firstborn over all creation, probably because of the context of verses 16 and 17 and possibly because of the Jewish understanding of firstborn.

New King James VersionNew International VersionNew English BibleThe Revised English BibleNew Century VersionPhillipsGoodspeed15.  He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. Colossians 1:15
15.  He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. Colossians 1:15
15.  He is the image of the invisible God; his is the primacy over all created things. Colossians 1:15
15.  He is the image of the invisible God; his is the primacy over all creation. Colossians 1:15
15.  No one can see God, but Jesus Christ is exactly like him. He ranks higher than everything that has been made. Colossians 1:15
15.  Now Christ is the visible expression of the invisible God. He existed before creation began. Colossians 1:15
15.  He is a likeness of the unseen God, born before any creature, Colossians 1:15

The idea that God created Jesus just does not agree with the Bible. Jesus was not created by God because all things were made through Jesus and there was nothing made that He didn't have a part in making. Thus, Jesus is the firstborn over all creation, the heir of all creation.

Jesus is the Actual Son of God,
Not a Created Being

So, if Jesus was not created, and yet we understand He had a beginning, we must ask the question: Where did Jesus come from?

The answer is found in probably the most well known verse in the Bible:

For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. John 3:16

Note: If you have questions on whether "only begotten" is correctly translated, please look at the answer to the second question at the bottom of this page in the Question/Answer section at the end.

If Jesus was begotten, then it should be obvious that He has a beginning. But John 3:16 does not stop with that thought, it goes far beyond.

In Titus 1:2, we find that it is "God, who cannot lie". In Hebrews 6:18 as well, we find that "it is impossible for God to lie". John 3:16 specifically says that the Son of God is the begotten Son of God. So, He is begotten not created.

If God says He has a Son, His own only begotten Son, and God says He loves us so much that He is willing to give us His only begotten Son to us, the Son that is so dear to Him, that whoever believes in His Son will be saved and live forever; What is God really saying?

God is saying that He really does have a Son, He is not lying. God cannot lie! It is His only begotten Son. That part has to be a given. In addition, God describes His love by that very same gift; It is the gift of His only begotten Son, to us, which shows that God really does love us. That must also be a given and His Son is our evidence of His love!

The very central core of God's message, to us, demands that God has a very dear Son, His only begotten Son; The only one that has come out of God. It also demands that He gives Him, to us, that we may be saved and live with the both of them for eternity.

"Then speak to him, saying, 'Thus says the LORD of hosts, saying: "Behold, the Man whose name is the BRANCH! From His place He shall branch out, And He shall build the temple of the LORD;

Yes, He shall build the temple of the LORD. He shall bear the glory, And shall sit and rule on His throne; So He shall be a priest on His throne, And the counsel of peace shall be between them both."' Zechariah 6:12-13

Most everybody agrees that "The BRANCH" is the Son of God. God and His Son will sit and rule. Notice the last part of verse 13: "And the counsel of peace shall be between them both". The original for "both" is the Hebrew plural for exactly two; Not three or more, but a pair! There is no room for a trinity in this Scripture. Only the Father and His Only begotten Son.

Who has ascended into heaven, or descended? Who has gathered the wind in His fists? Who has bound the waters in a garment? Who has established all the ends of the earth? What is His name, and what is His Son's name, If you know? Proverbs 30:4

Jesus, the Son of God, was brought forth from the Father. They experienced a special delight together in creating all things.

"The LORD possessed me at the beginning of His way, Before His works of old.

I have been established from everlasting, From the beginning, before there was ever an earth.

When there were no depths I was brought forth, When there were no fountains abounding with water.

Before the mountains were settled, Before the hills, I was brought forth;

While as yet He had not made the earth or the fields, Or the primeval dust of the world.

When He prepared the heavens, I was there, When He drew a circle on the face of the deep,

When He established the clouds above, When He strengthened the fountains of the deep,

When He assigned to the sea its limit, So that the waters would not transgress His command, When He marked out the foundations of the earth,

Then I was beside Him as a master craftsman; And I was daily His delight, Rejoicing always before Him, Proverbs 8:22-30

In Ephesians, we see that this team effort is called the fellowship of the mystery. It is something that is hidden in God the way all things were created. All we have is the description in Proverbs above.

and to make all see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the ages has been hidden in God who created all things through Jesus Christ; Ephesians 3:9

There are Other Sons of God

We will look more into the Sonship of Jesus, but first we need to clear up a small issue. Because there are other sons of God.

The angels in heaven are created by God (Hebrews 1:7), yet they are also called the sons of God:

When the morning stars sang together, And all the sons of God shouted for joy? Job 38:7

Adam, the first man, was created on the sixth day of creation on earth (Genesis 1:26-27). He was made out of the created dust of the ground, unlike Jesus who came out of God. Yet, Adam is also called the son of God:

the son of Enos, the son of Seth, the son of Adam, the son of God. Luke 3:38

Now, in spite of the fact that we have sinned against God, we can also be a son of God through adoption:

For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God.

For you did not receive the spirit of bondage again to fear, but you received the Spirit of adoption by whom we cry out, "Abba, Father." Romans 8:14-15

So there are many sons of God. We can say that Adam and the angels are sons of God because they were created. We can also say that we are sons of God because we are adopted into God's family.

Jesus is the Only Begotten Son

Yet with all these sons of God, we find that there is something special about Jesus. He is called the only begotten Son of God. So He is the only one that came from God Himself.

The angels in heaven are not even included in this sentence. Jesus is the only one! He is the only one that is actually born from God!

In this the love of God was manifested toward us, that God has sent His only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through Him. 1 John 4:9

Some say that Jesus is called begotten because He was born on earth. However, it is clear from these texts that Jesus already was begotten before He came to the earth as a man! God gave us something that He already had and His love for us was shown in that act of giving.

This is not some esoteric point in Scripture, This is the central issue God makes with us in the Bible! God loved us so much that He gave us His most prized possession. It was His only begotten Son that He gave us. So Jesus, the actual Son of God, is the central pillar of God's message. Since God does not lie we must accept as fact that Jesus is the actual Son of God and that God gave Him to us because He loves us!

God uses His Son to show the intensity of His love and Jesus is the object that shows the extent of His love. He is our evidence of God's love.

No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him. John 1:18

There is a closeness and a bond found nowhere else. Jesus is God's own "flesh and blood" except they are not composed of flesh.

Jesus Came Forth Out of God

What I am trying to say is that Jesus is the Son of God by birth. Jesus came forth out of God! This is not a creative act but it is some kind of a birthing process because the Son of God came out of God Himself. So now Jesus lives in the bosom of His Father.

"In that day you will ask in My name, and I do not say to you that I shall pray the Father for you;

"for the Father Himself loves you, because you have loved Me, and have believed that I came forth from God.

"I came forth from the Father and have come into the world. Again, I leave the world and go to the Father." John 16:26-28

The phrase "came forth" is translated from the Greek word:  ("exerchomai" Strongs # 1831) which means to "issued forth" or to have "issued from". Jesus issued forth from the Father. In the next verse, "proceeded forth" also comes from the same Greek word.

The next Scripture is very interesting. In verse 41, the leaders decided to push their point by saying that they were not illegitimate like Jesus was. Thus they were saying Jesus was Illegitimate!

In response, Jesus expanded His message by telling them where He actually came from. So, Jesus told them that He was not illegitimate at all. He proceeded forth from God! Christ told them: If God were their father, they would love Him because He came out of the Father, and He came from God, who sent Him into the world.

Jesus was speaking very plainly, telling them where He came from, yet it was as if they had not heard Him:

"You do the deeds of your father." Then they said to Him, "We were not born of fornication; we have one Father--God."

Jesus said to them, "If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I proceeded forth and came from God; nor have I come of Myself, but He sent Me.

"Why do you not understand My speech? Because you are not able to listen to My word. John 8:41-43

Jesus said He came forth from God when He was accused of being illegitimate. So it is clear that Jesus was speaking of His original birth from the Creator. Jesus is not illegitimate!

In this and the next Scripture we find that Jesus spoke of two different events. 1) He proceeded forth or He came forth from God and, 2) He came into the world (God sent Him).

The text is not just a fancy way to describe His coming to the earth twice. But rather, Jesus was saying that He proceeded forth from God and He also came from God who sent Him to the earth.

"Now they have known that all things which You have given Me are from You.

"For I have given to them the words which You have given Me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came forth from You; and they have believed that You sent Me. John 17:7-8

Christ's followers knew that Jesus came forth from God and they also believed that God had sent Him to the earth.

Since He was the only begotten Son of God, Jesus was actually composed out of the "stuff" of God! He was in the form of God!

Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus,

who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, Philippians 2:5-6

Jesus came forth from His Father in the form of God. So Jesus is equal with His Father.

But Jesus answered them, "My Father has been working until now, and I have been working."

Therefore the jewish sought all the more to kill Him, because He not only broke the Sabbath, but also said that God was His Father, making Himself equal with God. John 5:17-18.

I see no evidence anywhere in the Bible that to be the only begotten Son is the same as being created. But rather we have found that Jesus is the Son of God because He came forth from the Father. He is in the form of God and except for coming from His Father, He is equal with Him.

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. John 1:1.

Many believe that John 1:1 is saying that the Word is God, along with the Father, are part of the Trinity from the beginning. They argue that the Son and the Father are of "the same substance". To them that means they are not separate individual beings but are both part of the same body or Trinity and they believe that the phrase: "the Word was God" supports that idea. Others have suggested the opposite, that the verse is actually supporting the idea that Jesus was created.

So, what does it really describe? Does John 1:1 suggest that Jesus is created? Or does it suggest that He is part of the Trinity? Or maybe the text really suggests that Jesus is the begotten Son of God!!!

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trinity triangle is a good start , good things come in 3s
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YESHUA IS THE SON OF GOD...
YAHWEH IS THE FATHER OF YESHUA...

JESUS CHRIST IS NOT MICHAEL THE ARCHANGEL...

JESUS CHRIST CAME OUT OF GOD HE IS NOT CREATED...

TOGETHER JESUS CHRIST AND THE FATHER CREATED ALL CREATION...

JESUS CHRIST IS MADE OF THE SAME STUFF AS GOD...

JESUS CHRIST IS THE ONLY BEGOTTON SON OF GOD HE CAME OUT OF GOD...

TOGETHER THEY CREATED ALL THINGS...

JESUS IS CALLED GOD BECAUSE GOD IS JUST A TITLE...

THE TRINITY IS FALSE...


THE FATHER IS ALMIGHTY GOD...

JESUS CHRIST IS THE SON A MIGHTY GOD...
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just opinion op , don't mind me nothings written in stone over here.
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YESHUA IS THE SON OF GOD...
YAHWEH IS THE FATHER OF YESHUA...

JESUS CHRIST IS NOT MICHAEL THE ARCHANGEL...

JESUS CHRIST CAME OUT OF GOD HE IS NOT CREATED...

TOGETHER JESUS CHRIST AND THE FATHER CREATED ALL CREATION...

JESUS CHRIST IS MADE OF THE SAME STUFF AS GOD...

JESUS CHRIST IS THE ONLY BEGOTTON SON OF GOD HE CAME OUT OF GOD...

TOGETHER THEY CREATED ALL THINGS...

JESUS IS CALLED GOD BECAUSE GOD IS JUST A TITLE...

THE TRINITY IS FALSE...


THE FATHER IS ALMIGHTY GOD...

JESUS CHRIST IS THE SON A MIGHTY GOD...
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Bible doesn't say that. You are adding and subtracting. Have mercy on your soul.
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YESHUA IS THE SON OF GOD...
YAHWEH IS THE FATHER OF YESHUA...

JESUS CHRIST IS NOT MICHAEL THE ARCHANGEL...

JESUS CHRIST CAME OUT OF GOD HE IS NOT CREATED...

TOGETHER JESUS CHRIST AND THE FATHER CREATED ALL CREATION...

JESUS CHRIST IS MADE OF THE SAME STUFF AS GOD...

JESUS CHRIST IS THE ONLY BEGOTTON SON OF GOD HE CAME OUT OF GOD...

TOGETHER THEY CREATED ALL THINGS...

JESUS IS CALLED GOD BECAUSE GOD IS JUST A TITLE...

THE TRINITY IS FALSE...


THE FATHER IS ALMIGHTY GOD...

JESUS CHRIST IS THE SON A MIGHTY GOD...
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Bible doesn't say that. You are adding and subtracting. Have mercy on your soul.
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Maybe you should read the bible without indoctrination BIBLE HUB A GOOD START GREEK

JESUS CHRIST WAS NOT CREATED!!!
HE CAME OUT OF GOD!!!
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YESHUA IS THE SON OF GOD...
YAHWEH IS THE FATHER OF YESHUA...

JESUS CHRIST IS NOT MICHAEL THE ARCHANGEL...

JESUS CHRIST CAME OUT OF GOD HE IS NOT CREATED...

TOGETHER JESUS CHRIST AND THE FATHER CREATED ALL CREATION...

JESUS CHRIST IS MADE OF THE SAME STUFF AS GOD...

JESUS CHRIST IS THE ONLY BEGOTTON SON OF GOD HE CAME OUT OF GOD...

TOGETHER THEY CREATED ALL THINGS...

JESUS IS CALLED GOD BECAUSE GOD IS JUST A TITLE...

THE TRINITY IS FALSE...


THE FATHER IS ALMIGHTY GOD...

JESUS CHRIST IS THE SON A MIGHTY GOD...
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Bible doesn't say that. You are adding and subtracting. Have mercy on your soul.
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YESHUA IS THE SON OF GOD...
YAHWEH IS THE FATHER OF YESHUA...

JESUS CHRIST IS NOT MICHAEL THE ARCHANGEL...

JESUS CHRIST CAME OUT OF GOD HE IS NOT CREATED...

TOGETHER JESUS CHRIST AND THE FATHER CREATED ALL CREATION...

JESUS CHRIST IS MADE OF THE SAME STUFF AS GOD...

JESUS CHRIST IS THE ONLY BEGOTTON SON OF GOD HE CAME OUT OF GOD...

TOGETHER THEY CREATED ALL THINGS...

JESUS IS CALLED GOD BECAUSE GOD IS JUST A TITLE...

THE TRINITY IS FALSE...


THE FATHER IS ALMIGHTY GOD...

JESUS CHRIST IS THE SON A MIGHTY GOD...
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Bible doesn't say that. You are adding and subtracting. Have mercy on your soul.
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John 1:3 contains two direct statements that tell us that it was the preexistent Jesus who created all things. “All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.” Notice that John is not content to say only that all things were made through Him, but John adds the fact that “without Him nothing was made.”

Paul confirms exactly what John wrote: “For by Him all things were created.” Paul goes on to make sure that we understand what he means by all things—”that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him” (Colossians 1:16).

Since Jesus and the Father created all things, He could not have been one of the “created things.” Paul then adds, so there can be no mistake, “He is before all things, and in him all things hold together” (Colossians 1:17, NIV).
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YESHUA IS THE SON OF GOD...
YAHWEH IS THE FATHER OF YESHUA...

JESUS CHRIST IS NOT MICHAEL THE ARCHANGEL...

JESUS CHRIST CAME OUT OF GOD HE IS NOT CREATED...

TOGETHER JESUS CHRIST AND THE FATHER CREATED ALL CREATION...

JESUS CHRIST IS MADE OF THE SAME STUFF AS GOD...

JESUS CHRIST IS THE ONLY BEGOTTON SON OF GOD HE CAME OUT OF GOD...

TOGETHER THEY CREATED ALL THINGS...

JESUS IS CALLED GOD BECAUSE GOD IS JUST A TITLE...

THE TRINITY IS FALSE...


THE FATHER IS ALMIGHTY GOD...

JESUS CHRIST IS THE SON A MIGHTY GOD...
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Bible doesn't say that. You are adding and subtracting. Have mercy on your soul.
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11Then I looked, and I heard the voices of many angels and living creatures and elders encircling the throne, and their number was myriads of myriads and thousands of thousands. 12In a loud voice they said:

“Worthy is the Lamb who was slain,

to receive power and riches

and wisdom and strength

and honor and glory and blessing!”

13And I heard every creature in heaven, and on earth, and under the earth, and in the sea, and all that is in them, saying:

“To Him who sits on the throne,

and to the Lamb,

be praise and honor and glory and power

forever and ever!”

14And the four living creatures said, “Amen,” and the elders fell down and worshiped.

JESUS HERE IS CLEARLY NOT A CREATURE BECAUSE HE IS CAME DIRECTLY OUT OF GOD!!!
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he was also abducted by aliens throughout his lifetime.
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OP is antichrist, dont talk to him.
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Now I finally know why God Jesus had me ignore all your threads!
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Here's your last and only bone since you don't know how to interpret the scriptures:

St. Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.


ALL POWER = ALMIGHTY
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I guess you don't understand.

Here, let me clear it up for you:

Jesus is God.
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And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
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You don't have to believe "the trinity BS", and still understand that the body of Yeshua was from the lineage of Adam/Man and internally Yeshua is YeHoVaH and rightfully also called the Son of Elohim/God!!!

YeHoVaH has manifested Himself in Human form before, it is not a big deal.

Ever wonder why it says in HaShem/TheName(SINGULAR) of Father, and of the Son, and of the Ruach HaKodesh? It's because YeHoVaH is Echad/One. You do NOT have to believe in three separate "Gods" in one. TheName/HaShem of the Father/Son/Spirit is YeHoVaH and YeHoVaH is Echad, not 3.

Shabbat Shalom and Happy 6th Night of Chanukah!!!

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I guess you don't understand.

Here, let me clear it up for you:

Jesus is God.
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THIS
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I shortened my sermon up as my 'normal flock' has a short attention span'.
Ti:2:13:
Looking for that blessed hope,
and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
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God in 3 Persons.....the Father and Jesus and the Holy Spirit are still God! kinda goes over your head right? it's supposed to!
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We are all Christ! The Creator God created all things. We are all one, we are it, we are all consciousness. Infinite awareness.

Stop living in the mind and be present.
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YESHUA IS THE SON OF GOD...
YAHWEH IS THE FATHER OF YESHUA...

JESUS CHRIST IS NOT MICHAEL THE ARCHANGEL...

JESUS CHRIST CAME OUT OF GOD HE IS NOT CREATED...

TOGETHER JESUS CHRIST AND THE FATHER CREATED ALL CREATION...

JESUS CHRIST IS MADE OF THE SAME STUFF AS GOD...

JESUS CHRIST IS THE ONLY BEGOTTON SON OF GOD HE CAME OUT OF GOD...

TOGETHER THEY CREATED ALL THINGS...

JESUS IS CALLED GOD BECAUSE GOD IS JUST A TITLE...

THE TRINITY IS FALSE...


THE FATHER IS ALMIGHTY GOD...

JESUS CHRIST IS THE SON A MIGHTY GOD...
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I truly don't want to argue with you, but I think it's important realize that Jesus is the living Word of God. Yes, in the pecking order, God is at the very top. However, Jesus says "my Father and I are one.." John 10:30

They cannot be separated. If you had the power to make your mind and thoughts come to life in the form of a human being, that human being would still be you, would it not? That human being would walk around and only say and teach what you've given from your very mind and thoughts. That is what Jesus is. He is the embodiment of The Almighty God's mind and thoughts, and Jesus only preached what the Father gave him to preach.

In the beginning, when God said, "Let there be light..," Jesus literally is the "let there be light" that came from God's mouth. He is that spoken Word of God. So how can that spoken Word of God NOT be God, since it is from God's very being?

Regarding the trinity, I don't believe it's heresy based on the above, as well as the verse below.

For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word (Jesus), and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. 1 John 5:7.

That verse exists in the Textus Receptus text, and that is good enough for me. Newer translations, based on the Westcott-Hort text, have removed it, and I suppose God will deal with anyone who has added to or removed any words from His Word at His appointed time, whether it was added to the TR or removed from the WH.

Agape in Christ.
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I shortened my sermon up as my 'normal flock' has a short attention span'.
Ti:2:13:
Looking for that blessed hope,
and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
 Quoting: Wayfaring Stranger


Jesus never said he was coming with his Father, but with the glory of God.. so I recommend people ask Jesus for wisdom to reason the scriptures. How can no man has ever seen God at ANY TIME reason with Isaiah, Moses and so many others seeing God? Hmmmmm.. ask Jesus. He is the IMAGE of the INVISIBLE God (power).
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YESHUA IS THE SON OF GOD...
YAHWEH IS THE FATHER OF YESHUA...

JESUS CHRIST IS NOT MICHAEL THE ARCHANGEL...

JESUS CHRIST CAME OUT OF GOD HE IS NOT CREATED...

TOGETHER JESUS CHRIST AND THE FATHER CREATED ALL CREATION...

JESUS CHRIST IS MADE OF THE SAME STUFF AS GOD...

JESUS CHRIST IS THE ONLY BEGOTTON SON OF GOD HE CAME OUT OF GOD...

TOGETHER THEY CREATED ALL THINGS...

JESUS IS CALLED GOD BECAUSE GOD IS JUST A TITLE...

THE TRINITY IS FALSE...


THE FATHER IS ALMIGHTY GOD...

JESUS CHRIST IS THE SON A MIGHTY GOD...
 Quoting: JESUS CHRIST DISCIPLE


I truly don't want to argue with you, but I think it's important realize that Jesus is the living Word of God. Yes, in the pecking order, God is at the very top. However, Jesus says "my Father and I are one.." John 10:30

They cannot be separated. If you had the power to make your mind and thoughts come to life in the form of a human being, that human being would still be you, would it not? That human being would walk around and only say and teach what you've given from your very mind and thoughts. That is what Jesus is. He is the embodiment of The Almighty God's mind and thoughts, and Jesus only preached what the Father gave him to preach.

In the beginning, when God said, "Let there be light..," Jesus literally is the "let there be light" that came from God's mouth. He is that spoken Word of God. So how can that spoken Word of God NOT be God, since it is from God's very being?

Regarding the trinity, I don't believe it's heresy based on the above, as well as the verse below.

For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word (Jesus), and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. 1 John 5:7.

That verse exists in the Textus Receptus text, and that is good enough for me. Newer translations, based on the Westcott-Hort text, have removed it, and I suppose God will deal with anyone who has added to or removed any words from His Word at His appointed time, whether it was added to the TR or removed from the WH.

Agape in Christ.
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Hey brother I hope to help refine your conception of the beginning.

In the beginning God is pure power and does not have a voice to speak. It literally just *pops* (begets) a light body (soul) into existence. The Spirit that is God, fully is within that body and the first thing HE (being in the image of a male) said is Let there be light. That was the expansion of space both in heaven and the physical realm since they were together as 1 but separated by the firmament. (Jesus will recreate heaven and earth without the firmament next time). The creation story of the physical realm is the same as the spiritual. When the body of God (Jesus) said to the Spirit in him (being the will of God), let us make angels in our image.

Something that will help people to understand is that God in Jesus is compartmentalized for his own sanity. The Spirit is greater than the creation. The Spirit is the power of Jesus. The Spirit is unfathomable, so only controls his body as he wills. It's why Jesus said he only says what the Father says, only does what the Father does, everything the Father has is his and the Father takes from what is his and gives it.. If you've seen the image of God then you've seen the invisible God for the image of God is God.

One thing I would add to your post is that Jesus is the PERSONALITY of God! God has a personality, how do and can we know it? As Jesus! For that is his body!
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I pray for you brother, be delivered of deception and cease your blasphemy. You used to know and declare Jesus is the 1 God, even the Gather... Satan got a hold but God is greater to deliver you from ALL deception and sins and everything evil. Declare this to the Lord Jesus putting it on him, that He WILL deliver you from ALL lies and untruth and false beliefs and deception, and that he will not allow you to live in it forever as you live. Amem.
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I pray for you brother, be delivered of deception and cease your blasphemy. You used to know and declare Jesus is the 1 God, even the Gather... Satan got a hold but God is greater to deliver you from ALL deception and sins and everything evil. Declare this to the Lord Jesus putting it on him, that He WILL deliver you from ALL lies and untruth and false beliefs and deception, and that he will not allow you to live in it forever as you live. Amem.
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I HAVE NEVER BELIEVED IN A TRINITY...
JESUS IS THE SON OF GOD...
GOD IS THE FATHER...

JESUS CAME OUT OF GOD WAS BIRTHED FROM GOD...

THEY ARE SEPERATE!!!
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