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Rats in Space | SpaceX CRS-19 Falcon 9 Launch TOTAL FAKE must watch!!

 
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Please, someone, call Dr. Astro to explain away the fat rodent.
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He will just start name calling, threatening, ridiculing, banning etc and generally being nasty and childish and immature.
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You're missing the point. I provided hard proof that this happens on every launch and that it is just ice. None of you have been able to refute my evidence, it doesn't matter that I attack you all for calling me out. If you don't want me to attack you on your own thread then don't make a call out asking for me to be here.
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There, I took out every insult. Did it change the substance of my posts? No.
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not a rat
humans may be with their amazing powers of observation, but no
that is not a rat
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Ice? From where? They're in space. Allegedly. And it's inches away from a thruster that is quite literally red hot.

Ice?

They should have just stuck with rat.
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Lol please explain the second video of the OP, in the second post in this thread. That is obviously a rodent. The first video i didnt saw it.
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I already explained it. Try actually reading and following my links you fucking idiot. It's ice. It happens on every Falcon 9 launch.
 Quoting: Astroshill

Its probably "doctored" lol, but its not ice.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 40731538


Wrong. I posted a link to the original video as uploaded by SpaceX. It is not doctored and it is not a mouse. It is ice and it happens on every launch.
I was always skeptic about claims that NASA is faking space footage but this time I can't deny the rat that is walking on the engine. Just skip forward to 01:04:24 and see for yourself.


 Quoting: MAYAMAGIK


It's ice. If you had bothered to pay attention you would know this happens on every launch and the shape and size of the ice is random but it always slides around on top of the turbopump exhaust pipe. You can see it accumulating on the vent and then break off and start sliding around before gradually sublimating away. Here are other examples of it happening:
19:16, 22:49 [link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
19:14, 21:44 [link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
26:15 [link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
11:55 [link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
26:23 [link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
 Quoting: Astroshill

Follow the links, I know what I'm talking about.
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Dude we don’t follow the links because they’re all fake bs. Just like nasa
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no intelligent life down here beam me up
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You can see the ice start forming on the camera that's on the opposite side of the "mouse shot" at 41:12, just after the second stage ignites. By about 41:36 the ice has grown significantly in size. Around 42 minutes you can see it start separating from the vents and moving around the engine nozzle. At 42:10 when the camera switches to the opposite side again you can see the ice that had built up is no longer there; it has already separated and begun sliding around the nozzle.

You can also see it sublimate away over time.

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I already explained it. Try actually reading and following my links you fucking idiot. It's ice. It happens on every Falcon 9 launch.
 Quoting: Astroshill

Its probably "doctored" lol, but its not ice.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 40731538


Wrong. I posted a link to the original video as uploaded by SpaceX. It is not doctored and it is not a mouse. It is ice and it happens on every launch.
I was always skeptic about claims that NASA is faking space footage but this time I can't deny the rat that is walking on the engine. Just skip forward to 01:04:24 and see for yourself.


 Quoting: MAYAMAGIK


It's ice. If you had bothered to pay attention you would know this happens on every launch and the shape and size of the ice is random but it always slides around on top of the turbopump exhaust pipe. You can see it accumulating on the vent and then break off and start sliding around before gradually sublimating away. Here are other examples of it happening:
19:16, 22:49 [link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
19:14, 21:44 [link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
26:15 [link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
11:55 [link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
26:23 [link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
 Quoting: Astroshill

Follow the links, I know what I'm talking about.
 Quoting: Astroshill


Dude we don’t follow the links because they’re all fake bs. Just like nasa
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At least you admit you're close minded. If you're not even willing to look at the evidence then don't bother replying.
19:16, 22:49 [link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
19:14, 21:44 [link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
26:15 [link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
11:55 [link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
26:23 [link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
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Ice? From where?
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The fuel vent. You can clearly see it spraying and forming ice. Yes, they are in space, which is why the ice sublimates directly to gas.
You can see the ice start forming on the camera that's on the opposite side of the "mouse shot" at 41:12, just after the second stage ignites. By about 41:36 the ice has grown significantly in size. Around 42 minutes you can see it start separating from the vents and moving around the engine nozzle. At 42:10 when the camera switches to the opposite side again you can see the ice that had built up is no longer there; it has already separated and begun sliding around the nozzle.

You can also see it sublimate away over time.

 Quoting: Astroshill

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Did astro explain enough yet ppl or are you freakin blind and not bright?
Freakin pitiful!
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This has to go into the NASA Hall of Shame....er....Fame!!!!

So laughable they fake this launch.

Be sure to keep copies of this - they'll try to remove it or alter it, I'm sure.
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"SPACE MIGHT BE THE FINAL FRONTIER BUT ITS FILMED IN A HOLLYWOOD BASEMENT"
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Its probably "doctored" lol, but its not ice.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 40731538


Wrong. I posted a link to the original video as uploaded by SpaceX. It is not doctored and it is not a mouse. It is ice and it happens on every launch.
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It's ice. If you had bothered to pay attention you would know this happens on every launch and the shape and size of the ice is random but it always slides around on top of the turbopump exhaust pipe. You can see it accumulating on the vent and then break off and start sliding around before gradually sublimating away. Here are other examples of it happening:
19:16, 22:49 [link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
19:14, 21:44 [link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
26:15 [link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
11:55 [link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
26:23 [link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
 Quoting: Astroshill

Follow the links, I know what I'm talking about.
 Quoting: Astroshill


Dude we don’t follow the links because they’re all fake bs. Just like nasa
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77176572


At least you admit you're close minded. If you're not even willing to look at the evidence then don't bother replying.
19:16, 22:49 [link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
19:14, 21:44 [link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
26:15 [link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
11:55 [link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
26:23 [link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
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Oh for the love of Christ, Astro, that is clearly an animal. stop blowing smoke up our asses. They can't get FakeX to work so they're making it up.
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They'll be telling us it's swamp gas next.
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For the love of Christ, how could there be ICE just above the intense heat from those rockets?

That's a fucking animal, we're NOT that stupid.
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Oh for the love of Christ, Astro, that is clearly an animal. stop blowing smoke up our asses. They can't get FakeX to work so they're making it up.
 Quoting: Blue State Rebel


No it's not clearly an animal, which is why it happens on every launch affect you are completely unable to explain and you refuse to even acknowledge because it destroys your entire argument.
19:16, 22:49 [link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
19:14, 21:44 [link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
26:15 [link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
11:55 [link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
26:23 [link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
It's not fake. I film these rockets launching and even coming back all the way to land.

Former space station commander Chris Hadfield even tweeted out that video over the weekend.

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OP is right!

Hahahaha, now we can laugh at Astro...
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LOL, Space-rat!

How high was the rocket? Might have actually been enough oxygen for rat to still be moving before his end fate.
Rats are pretty tough.

Agree Ice is much more likely. there is ice all over these ships from the fueling. falling off all over the place.

But love the idea of Space Rat!
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For the love of Christ, how could there be ICE just above the intense heat from those rockets?

That's a fucking animal, we're NOT that stupid.
 Quoting: Blue State Rebel


Then explain why it happens on every launch and why it's coming from the fuel vent and why it's sublimates away.
19:16, 22:49 [link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
19:14, 21:44 [link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
26:15 [link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
11:55 [link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
26:23 [link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
Come on dude. Why can't you address the evidence? Why are you ignoring The fact this ice breaks off from the fuel vent and slides around the engine every time?
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NASA says it's ice. (And yes, I think that could be ice.)
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Fuck NASA. How could there be ice on that machine with the no doubt intense heat of those rockets. It would have melted any remaining ice from earth by that point.

That is obviously a fucking rodent.
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They'll be telling us it's swamp gas next.
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Come on dude. You better start addressing the evidence.
19:16, 22:49 [link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
19:14, 21:44 [link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
26:15 [link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
11:55 [link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
26:23 [link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
Come on, where's your explanation for it happening all those other times? Why is it so clearly ice? Answer me. Address the evidence dude. Let's see your answer. Explain it.
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For the love of Christ, how could there be ICE just above the intense heat from those rockets?

That's a fucking animal, we're NOT that stupid.
 Quoting: Blue State Rebel


Then explain why it happens on every launch and why it's coming from the fuel vent and why it's sublimates away.
19:16, 22:49 [link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
19:14, 21:44 [link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
26:15 [link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
11:55 [link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
26:23 [link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
Come on dude. Why can't you address the evidence? Why are you ignoring The fact this ice breaks off from the fuel vent and slides around the engine every time?
 Quoting: Astroshill



Because I can SEE that that is a rodent. And no ice would survive those rockets. Just a bunch of bullshit from NASA to save FakeX.
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NASA says it's ice. (And yes, I think that could be ice.)
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Fuck NASA. How could there be ice on that machine with the no doubt intense heat of those rockets. It would have melted any remaining ice from earth by that point.

That is obviously a fucking rodent.
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It's not from Earth. It's coming from the fuel vent as you can plainly see in the videos which you are ignoring. It happens on every launch. And it does gradually sublimate away.
19:16, 22:49 [link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
19:14, 21:44 [link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
26:15 [link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
11:55 [link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
26:23 [link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
Come on dude. Stop ignoring the evidence.
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Here is the scene isolated in a single clip.


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Astro, what about the rat in space? This is a 14 second clip. Thanks for your time.
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I have already addressed it a dozen times. Are you not reading my posts, or is it that you are incapable of understanding that I'm talking about that clip? Maybe it's that you don't want people to watch the full video where you can see the context of the ice building up and sublimating away. Whatever the reason is I've already addressed the CRS 19 video. That is where the clip is from.
I was always skeptic about claims that NASA is faking space footage but this time I can't deny the rat that is walking on the engine. Just skip forward to 01:04:24 and see for yourself.


 Quoting: MAYAMAGIK


It's ice. This happens on every launch and the shape and size of the ice is random but it always slides around on top of the turbopump exhaust pipe. You can see it accumulating on the vent and then break off and start sliding around before gradually sublimating away. Here are other examples of it happening:
19:16, 22:49 [link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
19:14, 21:44 [link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
26:15 [link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
11:55 [link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
26:23 [link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
 Quoting: Astroshill

 Quoting: Astroshill


I hit the post button late. Already read your responses by now. Didn't read them before. Thanks
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I believe both OP and Astro. It's a rat on ice! Astonauts have to eat too.
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Oh for the love of Christ, Astro, that is clearly an animal. stop blowing smoke up our asses. They can't get FakeX to work so they're making it up.
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No it's not clearly an animal, which is why it happens on every launch affect you are completely unable to explain and you refuse to even acknowledge because it destroys your entire argument.
19:16, 22:49 [link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
19:14, 21:44 [link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
26:15 [link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
11:55 [link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
26:23 [link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
It's not fake. I film these rockets launching and even coming back all the way to land.

Former space station commander Chris Hadfield even tweeted out that video over the weekend.
 Quoting: Astroshill



That is CLEARLY a fucking animal. We're not THAT stupid. No "ice" would survive the alleged heat of the alleged rocket. It's all bullshit.
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For the love of Christ, how could there be ICE just above the intense heat from those rockets?

That's a fucking animal, we're NOT that stupid.
 Quoting: Blue State Rebel


Then explain why it happens on every launch and why it's coming from the fuel vent and why it's sublimates away.
19:16, 22:49 [link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
19:14, 21:44 [link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
26:15 [link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
11:55 [link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
26:23 [link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
Come on dude. Why can't you address the evidence? Why are you ignoring The fact this ice breaks off from the fuel vent and slides around the engine every time?
 Quoting: Astroshill



Because I can SEE that that is a rodent. And no ice would survive those rockets. Just a bunch of bullshit from NASA to save FakeX.
 Quoting: Blue State Rebel


Nope. You think it's a rodent but it's not. And it doesn't survive. It gradually sublimates away.
You can see the ice start forming on the camera that's on the opposite side of the "mouse shot" at 41:12, just after the second stage ignites. By about 41:36 the ice has grown significantly in size. Around 42 minutes you can see it start separating from the vents and moving around the engine nozzle. At 42:10 when the camera switches to the opposite side again you can see the ice that had built up is no longer there; it has already separated and begun sliding around the nozzle.

You can also see it sublimate away over time.

 Quoting: Astroshill

Is it also a rodent on all these previous launches, or is it just ice coming off the fuel vent?
19:16, 22:49 [link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
19:14, 21:44 [link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
26:15 [link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
11:55 [link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
26:23 [link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
Follow the links go to the timestamps I specified and answer me.
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Am I the only one that sees the fat rat or what? That is ridiculous..
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played it at .2 speed saw nothing you are hallucinating
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So tired of the bullshit from NASA, just endless streams of it over and over. I see the shills are here. Whoopeee!

Don't forget to keep a copy.
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Obviously not a rat, although there's a resemblance at first glance.
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For the love of Christ, how could there be ICE just above the intense heat from those rockets?

That's a fucking animal, we're NOT that stupid.
 Quoting: Blue State Rebel


Then explain why it happens on every launch and why it's coming from the fuel vent and why it's sublimates away.
19:16, 22:49 [link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
19:14, 21:44 [link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
26:15 [link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
11:55 [link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
26:23 [link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
Come on dude. Why can't you address the evidence? Why are you ignoring The fact this ice breaks off from the fuel vent and slides around the engine every time?
 Quoting: Astroshill



Because I can SEE that that is a rodent. And no ice would survive those rockets. Just a bunch of bullshit from NASA to save FakeX.
 Quoting: Blue State Rebel


Nope. You think it's a rodent but it's not. And it doesn't survive. It gradually sublimates away.
You can see the ice start forming on the camera that's on the opposite side of the "mouse shot" at 41:12, just after the second stage ignites. By about 41:36 the ice has grown significantly in size. Around 42 minutes you can see it start separating from the vents and moving around the engine nozzle. At 42:10 when the camera switches to the opposite side again you can see the ice that had built up is no longer there; it has already separated and begun sliding around the nozzle.

You can also see it sublimate away over time.

 Quoting: Astroshill

Is it also a rodent on all these previous launches, or is it just ice coming off the fuel vent?
19:16, 22:49 [link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
19:14, 21:44 [link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
26:15 [link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
11:55 [link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
26:23 [link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
Follow the links go to the timestamps I specified and answer me.
 Quoting: Astroshill


Did you go to the links yet? Yes or no? What's your explanation for this happening every time?
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