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January 12, 2020: The Saturn – Pluto Conjunction & the start of WW3

 
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(Published in the Dec 2015 edition of The Mountain Astrologer)

Looking back at previous cycles, we can see that a Saturn–Pluto conjunction occurred in October 1914, around the outbreak of World War I; this global conflict certainly reshuffled power dynamics by dissolving the Russian monarchy, the Ottoman Empire, and the Austro-Hungarian Empire, which led to the redrawing of national borders within Europe.

On January 12, 2020, Saturn conjoins Pluto at 22° Capricorn for a single, and dramatic, pass. With the Sun, Ceres, and Mercury within a degree, and the respective South Nodes of Saturn and Pluto close to this degree, we can expect this cycle to have an exceptionally powerful effect, from the year leading up to the conjunction and approximately two years following it. As previously mentioned, this cycle is bound to stimulate significant geopolitical dynamics that will affect the distribution of power in many structures on a global scale.

We can anticipate important changes in the natural resources industry, the banking system, and regional and world leadership, but it is difficult at this point to anticipate what direction this powerful influence will take. Of course, the U.S. (July 4, 1776) Pluto is itself in Capricorn (27°), guaranteeing a strong effect on this country’s economy around those years.
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(Published in the Dec 2015 edition of The Mountain Astrologer)

Looking back at previous cycles, we can see that a Saturn–Pluto conjunction occurred in October 1914, around the outbreak of World War I; this global conflict certainly reshuffled power dynamics by dissolving the Russian monarchy, the Ottoman Empire, and the Austro-Hungarian Empire, which led to the redrawing of national borders within Europe.

On January 12, 2020, Saturn conjoins Pluto at 22° Capricorn for a single, and dramatic, pass. With the Sun, Ceres, and Mercury within a degree, and the respective South Nodes of Saturn and Pluto close to this degree, we can expect this cycle to have an exceptionally powerful effect, from the year leading up to the conjunction and approximately two years following it. As previously mentioned, this cycle is bound to stimulate significant geopolitical dynamics that will affect the distribution of power in many structures on a global scale.

We can anticipate important changes in the natural resources industry, the banking system, and regional and world leadership, but it is difficult at this point to anticipate what direction this powerful influence will take. Of course, the U.S. (July 4, 1776) Pluto is itself in Capricorn (27°), guaranteeing a strong effect on this country’s economy around those years.
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We were told 4 years ago that WW3 will start for oil so the Iran crisis started just in time to block the traffic in the Persian Gulf!
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Causes of the 1st World War – Saturn and Pluto
WW1 began as a result of the July Crisis of 1914 caused by the assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand of Austria – Hungary and his wife Sophie by Gavrilo Princip, an irredentist Serb.
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WW3 is starting for another assassination!
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Just a small preview of the danger window we are live in...

The Pentagon said the U.S. military killed Gen. Qassem Soleimani, the head of Iran’s elite Quds Force,
in Baghdad Friday at the direction of Trump. The attack is expected to draw severe Iranian retaliation
against Israel and American interests. - Ken Martin, “Democrats Call U.S. Killing of Iranian General
‘Reckless,’” foxbusiness.com, January 3, 2020.
Welcome to a New Year, a new decade, and a new ingress of Mars into Sagittarius. As reported in this
column several times in the past, the passage of Mars through Sagittarius-Capricorn has a remarkable
correspondence with major crises erupting in the Middle East, and often corresponding with a period
danger and threats to Israel from her neighbors, or from within.
Mars entered Sagittarius January 3, as the attack began, and will depart Capricorn on March 30. What
makes this period even more disconcerting is the longer-term conjunction of Saturn and Pluto that takes
place next week, on January 12, 2020. With an orb of up to 18 months, this 32-37-year cycle was present
at the start of World War I and the ending of World War II. It last unfolded in November 1982, coinciding
with the Iran-Contra cover-up of secret weapons’ transactions between the U.S. and Iran following the
Islamic Revolution that toppled the Shah of Iran and led to the creation of an Islamic republic.

Stock markets of the world were doing quite well prior to this military strike. On January 2, the first day
of trading in the New Year, all U.S. stock indices rallied to new all-time highs. The DJIA futures sold off
over 300 points in the overnight market, but started to rally back after the first hour of trading on Friday.
New all-time highs were recorded in Brazil, Switzerland, and India as well last week.
The German DAX also came close to making an all-time high, soaring to 13,425 on January 2, just shy of
its record of 13,596 set on January 23 2018. The Netherlands AEX index rallied to 607, its highest mark
since May 2001. China’s Shanghai Composite rose to its highest mark since April 29, 2019. All in all, it
has been a very good holiday season for world equity markets, despite the pullback on Friday.
The military escalation between Iran and the U.S. was a positive for Gold and the Swiss Franc. Gold
soared to 1554 on Friday, January 3, re-testing it 6-year high made in early September. Silver rallied to
18.32 its highest mark since November 4. The Swiss Franc continued to serve the currency world as a
safe haven during troubled times, rising to 1.0420 on Friday, its highest level since September 2018.
Other commodities also performed very well, with Crude Oil soaring to 64.09, its highest mark since
April 30, while Soybeans soared to $9.49/bu, its highest price since June 2018. If it wasn’t for the
outbreak of military hostilities, all would be well in the financial world. But Mars is now in Sagittarius, so
the tensions of geopolitical political threats may be just starting. Mars is war-like, and Sagittarius knows
no bounds when it decides to act with aggression. It can be restless, reckless, overpowering, and takes no
prisoners. It may be hard to stop, once unleashed. It can coincide with large price swings in many
markets, including equities.
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For WWI Saturn and Pluto were conjunct in Cancer (the opposite sign of where it is now), and for WWII they were in an exact fixed-sign square (Taurus-Leo).

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Causes of the 1st World War – Saturn and Pluto
WW1 began as a result of the July Crisis of 1914 caused by the assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand of Austria – Hungary and his wife Sophie by Gavrilo Princip, an irredentist Serb.
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WW3 is starting for another assassination!
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Yes, Quessem is the 3rd antichrist "Mabus". Spell his name backwards.
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blah blah blah you listen to demonic knowledge.
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World War III: An astrological perspective

The transit of Pluto and conjunction with Saturn in Capricorn and Cancer is important. Capricorn is ruled by Saturn, who is the agent of Pluto

World War II started when Saturn and Ketu were transiting together in Aries, the first sign of Zodiac in 1939 and in exact conjunction on September 1, 1939. The war escalated during 1940-41 when Jupiter and Saturn were together in the sign Aries and Taurus. In 1945, the war ended when Saturn and Rahu came together in the sign Gemini.

After eighty years, we are witnessing similar planetary events during 2019-2025. Saturn and Ketu are conjunct in Sagittarius during 2019-2020. Jupiter and Saturn are together from November 2019 to November 2021 in Sagittarius and Capricorn. Saturn and Rahu are meeting in Pisces, the last sign of the Zodiac during March-April 2025.
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World War III: An astrological perspective

The transit of Pluto and conjunction with Saturn in Capricorn and Cancer is important. Capricorn is ruled by Saturn, who is the agent of Pluto

World War II started when Saturn and Ketu were transiting together in Aries, the first sign of Zodiac in 1939 and in exact conjunction on September 1, 1939. The war escalated during 1940-41 when Jupiter and Saturn were together in the sign Aries and Taurus. In 1945, the war ended when Saturn and Rahu came together in the sign Gemini.

After eighty years, we are witnessing similar planetary events during 2019-2025. Saturn and Ketu are conjunct in Sagittarius during 2019-2020. Jupiter and Saturn are together from November 2019 to November 2021 in Sagittarius and Capricorn. Saturn and Rahu are meeting in Pisces, the last sign of the Zodiac during March-April 2025.
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Iran versus USA – the world holds its breath ++ Add On
3rd January 2020 by Marjorie


The killing of Qassem Soleimani, commander of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Qds force in a USA strike has shaken analysts who all say it’s impossible to exaggerate the repercussions of this event. Soleimani was ‘more important than the president, spoke to all factions in Iran, had a direct line to the supreme leader and was in charge of Iran’s regional policy.” Haaretz says: “This is the most fateful action by the Trump administration in the Middle East in the past three years – the blatant assassination of effectively the second-most powerful man in his country and over the past two decades the most powerful in the region.”

“Soleimani played the key role in destabilizing Iraq after the American invasion. He transformed Hezbollah from a medium-sized militia into an army-sized force and the main power broker in Lebanon. And then came his greatest achievement, at the cost of hundreds of thousands of deaths: Without him Bashar Assad would not have remained president of Syria in his Damascus palace.”

General Petraeus, in a 2008 letter to the then-US defence secretary, described Soleimani as “a truly evil figure”.

The question is not why he was taken out so much as why now? There have been low level attacks by Iranian-backed militia on American forces and personnel in Iraq recently with some retaliation from the US. But this appears to be what the Telegraph described as “a massive walk up the escalation ladder.” Even Israel has ducked chances to take Soleimani out for fear of the consequences.

Trump wants out of the Middle East and stymied John Bolton’s hawkish efforts to topple the Iranian leadership. Did he think a one-off strike would bring him kudos and divert attention from domestic woes? If so, he woefully under-estimates the Iranians who will feel impelled to grandstand their anger and resistance. Despite talk of World War 111 and an all-out confrontation, their talent is asymmetrical warfare since they know they lack the US’s massive armed forces. The payback could happen anywhere and anytime but will certainly put US and Brit forces in Syria and Iraq at higher risk.

Soleimani, 11 March 1957 Iran, was a Sun Pisces (a sign often found in Islamic-fundamentalist charts) in a confident opposition to Jupiter in Virgo with Mercury Venus also in Pisces – all his Pisces planets being square a serious and knowledgeable Saturn in Sagittarius. Most significantly he had Mars in heavyweight Taurus conjunct the destructive Fixed star Algol in a ruthless square to Pluto.

The Iran 7 October 1906 chart has a Solar Arc Mars opposition Jupiter now which does suggest a ‘holy crusader’, aggressive and self-justifying response. There was similar when the US launched the Afghanistan War in 2001. In Iran’s case the Solar Arc Mars will move onto to oppose the Neptune in two years’ time which suggests failed plans; with a massive jolt in 2020 from Solar Arc Saturn opposition Uranus.

Trump’s Term chart also indicates a gung-ho, might-makes-right mood at the moment with tr Pluto square the Jupiter running till late January 2020 and repeating till the end of the year. It gives an overdose of confidence which can ultimately blowback. There’s also a distinct see-saw wobble from the Pluto moving to close to the square to Uranus to exact within the next two months.

Pompeo’s Secretary of State chart always indicated an explosive and crises-ridden with an exact Mars Pluto conjunction which has tr Saturn sitting exactly on it for these few days over the New Year. And his relationship chart with Trump looks extremely fraught with an aggravated Mars opposition Venus Saturn which is being elbowed at the moment by tr Uranus conjunct the Venus and moving on more disruptively in May/June. There were some rumours he was going to bale to pursue a Senate run, which doesn’t sound as if he is in-step with POTUS. Certainly Pompeo does not have Iran as a success zone on his astrocartography, quite the reverse with Mars on his IC.

Neither does Trump since it puts his Uranus Sun in the 7th opposition Moon in the 1st, with an indecisive Neptune in the 10th located to Teheran. The Ayatollah Khamenei’s Uranus is conjunct Trump’s Midheaven, giving him a capacity for destabilising Trump; and the Ayatollah’s Cancer Sun sits on Trump’s Saturn in Cancer, so he’ll dent Trump’s self-esteem.

Which makes the magnitude of the action even more bizarre. Perhaps in his deteriorating mental state, beset by impeachment fears, losing the North Korea negotiating triumph as Kim Jong Un goes awry again, he thought an out-do Obama moment by knocking off an even more significant figure than Bin Laden might feed his crumbling ego. Or maybe he didn’t think. Or maybe a nuke-em-all military type just got his finger on the trigger before anyone noticed. All will no doubt be revealed in time re-motives and decision-making.

Add On: The Iran Revolutionary Guard was founded on 5 May 1979 – which gives a maverick Taurus Sun opposition Uranus; with a ruthless Mars Mercury and Venus in Aries opposition Pluto. The tr Saturn Pluto is square the Mars now as if suffers its worst setback; and in 2021 there’s a road-blocked Solar Arc Saturn conjunct Pluto for a discouraging year. It will be undergoing upheavals and radical changes 2021 to early 2024 as tr Uranus is conjunct the Sun and then opposition Uranus – so the nature of the organisation will be significantly changed. And by the mid 2020s the Solar Arc Saturn will oppose the Mars for a ‘collision’ of a setback.

Thomas Friedman has a few interesting things to say about Soleimani in the NY Times pointing out how his manoeuvrings on the battlefield caused Iran harm at home: [link to www.nytimes.com (secure)]

The Iran Revolution chart of 1 February 1979 9am is set for the moment Ayatollah Khomeini’s feet touched Iranian soil after his time in exile as he returned to put the mullahs in charge. There’s a Sun, Mars, Mercury in stubbornly uncompromising Aquarius opposition Jupiter in Leo. The Sun is widely square Uranus, trine Pluto and inconjunct Saturn – a hint of revolution, heavy control and strain.

Tr Uranus will square the Jupiter from February 9th to early March, which will give rise to a surge of confidence (or good luck); with sharp words erupting mid April to early May with tr Uranus square the Mercury; though when it starts to show disruption, high-risk and insecurity will be from mid June onwards as tr Uranus squares the Mars – which can provoke ill-advised macho gestures to prop up self esteem and that repeats into early 2021. Then in 2021 the tr Saturn in Aquarius square tr Uranus will land on the Aquarius Sun for an uncomfortable year of economic damage and other mishaps, necessitating a change of direction. The tr Uranus square Uranus doesn’t come until 2023 but that will continue the mood of unrest.
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21 June 2019
Are We Going to War With Iran?

The horoscope of the Islamic Republic is set for Apr. 1, 1979 at 3PM in Tehran.
The first thing I did with this chart was to check it against the beginning of the Iran-Iraq war on Feb. 22, 1980. On that date transiting Saturn was exactly opposed to Mars in the Iran chart and close to an opposition to Mercury in that chart.
Unfortunately, transiting Saturn is once again active. It is currently in a square aspect to Pluto in the Iranian chart.
Their leadership may feel that they have been backed into a corner and have nothing to lose.
This is bad, but what really makes the situation worrisome is the historic connection between transiting Saturn and transiting Pluto and war. These two planets were in a conjunction during the first weeks of World War I. They were in a square aspect at the beginning or World War II and the were near (separated by two degrees) an opposition on Sept. 11, 2001. At this time, along with being square Iran’s Pluto, Saturn is nearing a conjunction with transiting Pluto. The aspect will not complete until Jan. 2020 and right now it is at four degrees of separation.
Saturn once again squares the Iranian Pluto and in Jan. 2020, when transiting Saturn conjuncts transiting Pluto and opposes Mercury in the Sibly chart for the U.S.
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Yep Transits this year are a Pain...to say the least.
And seriously how the fuck did I end up in Israel still wonder
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US-Iran war a likely possibility
January 03, 2020

The long awaited Saturn-Pluto conjunction in Capricorn is now at our doorstep. It is exact on Jan.12 and powerfully activated by the lunar eclipse of Jan.11. The following extract from a previous post explains the essence of the conjunction.

Saturn-Pluto cycles can initiate a dismantling or destructive process of long-standing established administrative constructs and systems of belief so that we can evolve our societal structures. In the process, this can articulate as power struggles, wars and the like. The negative Saturn-Pluto manifestation is linked to the trauma and crisis of war, the efficiently organized violence and deployment of vast destructive power, the victimization of the powerless ….the deployment of violence and terror under the guise of moral rightness, a just cause, God’s will, national security, law and order. But Saturn and Pluto will ultimately demand we take responsibility for the discord and destruction we have created [1].

A quick look at the history of Saturn-Pluto cycles [4] will convince the skeptics about how close we are to war.
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(Published in the Dec 2015 edition of The Mountain Astrologer)

Looking back at previous cycles, we can see that a Saturn–Pluto conjunction occurred in October 1914, around the outbreak of World War I; this global conflict certainly reshuffled power dynamics by dissolving the Russian monarchy, the Ottoman Empire, and the Austro-Hungarian Empire, which led to the redrawing of national borders within Europe.

On January 12, 2020, Saturn conjoins Pluto at 22° Capricorn for a single, and dramatic, pass. With the Sun, Ceres, and Mercury within a degree, and the respective South Nodes of Saturn and Pluto close to this degree, we can expect this cycle to have an exceptionally powerful effect, from the year leading up to the conjunction and approximately two years following it. As previously mentioned, this cycle is bound to stimulate significant geopolitical dynamics that will affect the distribution of power in many structures on a global scale.

We can anticipate important changes in the natural resources industry, the banking system, and regional and world leadership, but it is difficult at this point to anticipate what direction this powerful influence will take. Of course, the U.S. (July 4, 1776) Pluto is itself in Capricorn (27°), guaranteeing a strong effect on this country’s economy around those years.
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Saturn opposed Pluto on 9/11.
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January 2020: Saturn-Pluto in Capricorn
Worldwide Purging & Accountability

Serious conflicts and even a global war will affect the distribution of power among nations.
New global superpowers could emerge from the ashes or there could be none at all—Humanity could decide to eradicate even the notion of "superpower" and redefine the basis for power.
Expect a purging of sorts including volcanic eruptions followed by frequent seismic activity.

Together, Saturn and Pluto will teach us the proper use of power and to take full responsibility for its misuse.

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Donald Trump and the Saturn-Pluto Conjunction
June 17, 2019

Trump was born with a fairly close conjunction of Saturn and Venus in Cancer (with Saturn at 23º and Venus at 25º). This means that the transiting Saturn–Pluto conjunction — which becomes exact at 22º Capricorn in January 2020 — will be creating a powerful opposition to Trump’s natal Saturn–Venus conjunction. While this isn’t the only astrological configuration affecting him over the coming year, I think it could well prove to be the most critical.
My point here is that the transiting Saturn–Pluto conjunction in Capricorn is starting to pummel his natal pattern very, very hard, and will continue doing so over the next year or two. I see a few different real-world possibilities resulting from that.

One of those is that his personal finances could take a major hit during this period, in terms of losses due to bad investments, lawsuits, or failed real estate projects. It could also point to negative feedback he’ll be fielding over the financial policies he instigates for the country concerning tariff measures, tax reform bills, or military expenditures.

Pluto in particular has a lot to do with buried matters being uncovered, so these transits will likely involve secrets increasingly coming to light about Trump’s true wealth and holdings, his bank accounts, and his taxes. There could even be more revelations about his dealings with foreign governments, and investigators (like those from the Southern District of New York) continuing to probe into his real estate dealings and problems relating to his hotels.

But also — and this could prove much more problematic for him, since it hits so close to home, emotionally — the Saturn–Pluto transit may also involve his family members being put under the spotlight, since the sign Cancer is involved.
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2020 TRIPLE ALIGNMENT
Three planets will join in conjunction, not at the same time but in rapid succession in 2020.
Saturn will join Pluto first on January 12, 2020. This conjunction takes place every 33.42-years and is followed by Jupiter jointing Pluto in three phases April 4, 2020, June 30, and November 21 making this a most unusual three planet close alignment. To top it off, Jupiter and Saturn form their historic 19.77-year conjunction December 21, 2020! If that isn’t spectacular enough, all three join their south nodes moving from north of the ecliptic to south in their respective orbits.

A very intense “set-off effect” will occur in mid to late March 2020 when Mars joins Jupiter, Pluto, and Saturn in conjunction. The active and violent Mars will stimulate the features represented by the triple conjunction. Confusion, disinformation, and indecision will follow around April 3 when Mercury joins Neptune. Another sign of violent, sudden and disruptive events occurs near April 7 as Mars squares Uranus. Upheaval and unsettling news is certainly indicated by this unusual array of planets.

The Saturn/Pluto opposition of 2001-2002 correlated with the 9/11/2001 terrorist attack on the Twin Towers in New York City and the Pentagon in Washington, D.C. that resulted in the decades long War on Terrorism. Eight to nine years after this when Saturn and Pluto formed a waning square the American economy crumbled into the Great Recession.
Saturn and Pluto together are a volatile combination. The action of Pluto on Saturn is instantly destructive as the plutonian forces of transformation undermine and destroy the rigidity of Saturn. The routine and stability of a nation can be broken up when these two planets form an aspect. Laws, rules, and regulations are apt to be repealed and replaced when Saturn greets Pluto. Conventional behavior and protocols are demolished and restructured anew; even the cloak of civility that covers a nation is torn to shreds or discarded to bare the ugly segments of society. The legal system could undergo scrutiny or swing decisively in favor of one political party or the other. Someone may seriously betray the nation while others disclose flaws that have become institutionalized. In essence, conventional security and current social norms are demolished and transmuted when Saturn joins Pluto. This results in extreme and fanatical elements restructuring society.

The Jupiter/Saturn/Pluto conjunction is essentially an intensified clash between extremist factions. The moderate liberal and conservative wings of government are fragmenting driven apart by extremists in both parties. This is a worldwide phenomenon.
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Now we have the Saturn Pluto conjunction in Capricorn, and at the end of 2020, the Jupiter Saturn Great Mutation conjunction that kicks off a whole new 200 year cycle.
So we’re at the end of an era of history and that tends to spark fears that the world is going to end.
“Something seems to be going on at a subterranean level which catches all of us and throws us into a state of anxiety which is above and beyond the ordinary conscious reactions we might have to things read in the newspaper. It is a sense of the advent of something, a sense of great change.”
“We know a good deal about collective consciousness, which concerns the rules and structures that society creates and by which we supposedly learn to live with and cooperate with each other. But the underground stream that runs beneath the surface of those structures – that is a mystery. We only recognise its existence when it bursts into external life, and one of the ways in which it shows itself is that an entire group or country goes berserk and you have one of those gigantic upheavals or revolutions which ends in a bloodbath.

An entire nation can plunge into psychosis in the same way an individual can, and a lot of apparently very rational people disappear and become one screaming mob.
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After spending a few days reading GLP as of late, I have to say the levels of psychopathy seem to have achieved incredible new heights. I feel like we have some things to discuss.

I am a long time user of godlikeproductions, I think it must be around 15 years or more that I have been here. This was back when GLP was a hub for people to discuss controversial subjects freely and the level of hate was almost 0, so bear with me.

Also, I haven't been to the US for a while, so I need someone who at least appears sane to come here and explain to me a few things, because I'm in total disbelief. Is it really this sick out there at the moment, is GLP a true representation of the current state of affairs or is this just GLP that turned into a far right nazi website and doesn't represent the majority of America ?

In other words, what the fuck is wrong with these people ? Are they paid shills or is it just like this in America today ?

Some things are particularly worrying and need to be discussed:

- Whenever a discussion about any topic whatosever is started, and it almost doesn't matter what it is, whoever doesn't parrot a far right zealot, warmongering, almost religious speech is instantly labelled as anti-american, needs to go live in Iran and gets bashed with memes and "cry baby" and "butthurt" and "left libtard" narratives or is insulted / dismissed.

There are two particularly worrying aspects with this:

1- The offenders do not realise a lot of people [like myself] are actually conservative in many aspects of life, and are only considered "libtard leftie communists" by them because to the far right any non extremist center politics suddenly seems communist.

2- [and most worrying] - No one outside the US gives a shit about this fractured, overfed, opioid addicted, Roman-like society. No one in the outside world cares about this hate and dichotomy that now seems to exist in the US.
Why can't we discuss subjects in a civilised way that doesn't 100% revolve around US politics and the US political stage ? It seems like people are so extremist and hate each other so much they lost any ability to discuss any topic without derailing the discussion into this right / left political argument ? Ever heard about divide and conquer ?

- The offenders seem to have zero empathy or understanding towards other nations, and are absolutely incapable of thinking in terms that relate to other peoples views. I.e offenders can tell Iran hates them and chant death to America, but they are incapable of thinking deeper and trying to understand the why. They will just insult and call them "goat fuckers" without even knowing or having the slightest clue of how life is in Iran, apart from what they get fed by the US media establishment [and not just MSM outlets], like twitter, cnn, instagram, facebook.
Offenders have been fed that "they hate our freedom", think it's all gratuitous and feel like this is an acceptable answer without ever trying to seek deeper to see and understand if the US could be at fault in at least some points where it could cause this hatred towards them. No, it's always back to the same old, if you think deeper and consider these other things, you are not American, you are a "commie libtard" and you need to go live in Iran. This is lookin worse than Kim has it in North Korea friends. Your brains are facing severe atrophy.

- This narrative that the US leaders [Trump] have been chosen by God and as such they are always right - Really ? What the fuck ?

- The fact that the offending psychopaths constantly parrot the same narrative and seem to think as a mob rather than individuals. They all use the same memes, the same words, they all blindly believe everything Trump does.
We can see it, there's probably 1% of them here who knew who Soleimani was up to last week. Now they all talk they know he was the number one terrorist and orchestrated every attack on US people ever to be perpetrated - this is the narrative that has been fed to you, but where is the evidence ? I get the feeling if Trump said this guy was responsible for 9/11 these gullible idiots would believe it.
For example, the US invaded Iraq on these same [proven] lies. If it wasn't for Russia, the US was going to invade Syria on more lies - yet, offenders are incapable of accepting that the same actors may be lying again. On the other hand, they will immediately and aggressively dismiss with insults if someone were to question the timing of this move, and present the [reasonable] argument that Trump may be doing all this to create a diversion, via building up a common enemy in order to shield himself from the scrutiny of his detractors in the US.

There's more questions and points but these ones are some of the ones that confuse me the most.
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When Pluto Met Saturn: Astrologers on How Trump’s Impeachment Could End ‘Explosively’

“Saturn and Pluto have been playing tag for most of 2019, and will come into exact alignment in January 2020, just as the impeachment trial begins in the Senate,” astrologer and author Alex Miller wrote.

“Pluto is basically destruction, boiling shit up,” Eyedealism said. “Pluto brings up the bowels of the earth, the comeuppance of one’s old bad habits.” (The astrologist added that she predicted an impeachment inquiry back in 2017.)

Mitch Lewis, who has studied astrology for over three decades and currently hosts a speaking tour which uses the stars to analyze impeachment, agrees. “Pluto represents the elimination of waste,” Lewis said. “America is going through a Pluto return, which means America needs to deal with a deep-rooted infection that has been in the body politic.”
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When Pluto Met Saturn: Astrologers on How Trump’s Impeachment Could End ‘Explosively’

“Saturn and Pluto have been playing tag for most of 2019, and will come into exact alignment in January 2020, just as the impeachment trial begins in the Senate,” astrologer and author Alex Miller wrote.

“Pluto is basically destruction, boiling shit up,” Eyedealism said. “Pluto brings up the bowels of the earth, the comeuppance of one’s old bad habits.” (The astrologist added that she predicted an impeachment inquiry back in 2017.)

Mitch Lewis, who has studied astrology for over three decades and currently hosts a speaking tour which uses the stars to analyze impeachment, agrees. “Pluto represents the elimination of waste,” Lewis said. “America is going through a Pluto return, which means America needs to deal with a deep-rooted infection that has been in the body politic.”
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US-Iran war a likely possibility
January 03, 2020

The long awaited Saturn-Pluto conjunction in Capricorn is now at our doorstep. It is exact on Jan.12 and powerfully activated by the lunar eclipse of Jan.11. The following extract from a previous post explains the essence of the conjunction.

Saturn-Pluto cycles can initiate a dismantling or destructive process of long-standing established administrative constructs and systems of belief so that we can evolve our societal structures. In the process, this can articulate as power struggles, wars and the like. The negative Saturn-Pluto manifestation is linked to the trauma and crisis of war, the efficiently organized violence and deployment of vast destructive power, the victimization of the powerless ….the deployment of violence and terror under the guise of moral rightness, a just cause, God’s will, national security, law and order. But Saturn and Pluto will ultimately demand we take responsibility for the discord and destruction we have created [1].

A quick look at the history of Saturn-Pluto cycles [4] will convince the skeptics about how close we are to war.
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I HAVE 5 DAYS IN NUMEROLOGY LIKE 911 WAS...AND THE NEXT 3 ARE 1/9

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AND 1/27...SO, EVEN THE EARLY PARTS OR THE LATE PARTS OF THOSE DAYS ARE IN PLAY...MEANING POSS. LATE DAY B 4 AND EARLY IN THE DAY AFTER FOR ALL 3 DAYS!...18TH LOOKS YUGE..GIVES THIS ALLIGNMENT A WEEK ISH TO 'KICK IN'...!!!
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Trump wants out of the Middle East and stymied John Bolton’s hawkish efforts to topple the Iranian leadership. Did he think a one-off strike would bring him kudos and divert attention from domestic woes? If so, he woefully under-estimates the Iranians who will feel impelled to grandstand their anger and resistance. Despite talk of World War 111 and an all-out confrontation, their talent is asymmetrical warfare since they know they lack the US’s massive armed forces. The payback could happen anywhere and anytime but will certainly put US and Brit forces in Syria and Iraq at higher risk.

Trump’s Term chart also indicates a gung-ho, might-makes-right mood at the moment with tr Pluto square the Jupiter running till late January 2020 and repeating till the end of the year. It gives an overdose of confidence which can ultimately blowback. There’s also a distinct see-saw wobble from the Pluto moving to close to the square to Uranus to exact within the next two months.


Which makes the magnitude of the action even more bizarre. Perhaps in his deteriorating mental state, beset by impeachment fears, losing the North Korea negotiating triumph as Kim Jong Un goes awry again, he thought an out-do Obama moment by knocking off an even more significant figure than Bin Laden might feed his crumbling ego. Or maybe he didn’t think. Or maybe a nuke-em-all military type just got his finger on the trigger before anyone noticed. All will no doubt be revealed in time re-motives and decision-making.

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Tr Uranus will square the Jupiter from February 9th to early March, which will give rise to a surge of confidence (or good luck); with sharp words erupting mid April to early May with tr Uranus square the Mercury; though when it starts to show disruption, high-risk and insecurity will be from mid June onwards as tr Uranus squares the Mars – which can provoke ill-advised macho gestures to prop up self esteem and that repeats into early 2021. Then in 2021 the tr Saturn in Aquarius square tr Uranus will land on the Aquarius Sun for an uncomfortable year of economic damage and other mishaps, necessitating a change of direction. The tr Uranus square Uranus doesn’t come until 2023 but that will continue the mood of unrest.
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(Published in the Dec 2015 edition of The Mountain Astrologer)

Looking back at previous cycles, we can see that a Saturn–Pluto conjunction occurred in October 1914, around the outbreak of World War I; this global conflict certainly reshuffled power dynamics by dissolving the Russian monarchy, the Ottoman Empire, and the Austro-Hungarian Empire, which led to the redrawing of national borders within Europe.

On January 12, 2020, Saturn conjoins Pluto at 22° Capricorn for a single, and dramatic, pass. With the Sun, Ceres, and Mercury within a degree, and the respective South Nodes of Saturn and Pluto close to this degree, we can expect this cycle to have an exceptionally powerful effect, from the year leading up to the conjunction and approximately two years following it. As previously mentioned, this cycle is bound to stimulate significant geopolitical dynamics that will affect the distribution of power in many structures on a global scale.

We can anticipate important changes in the natural resources industry, the banking system, and regional and world leadership, but it is difficult at this point to anticipate what direction this powerful influence will take. Of course, the U.S. (July 4, 1776) Pluto is itself in Capricorn (27°), guaranteeing a strong effect on this country’s economy around those years.
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