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I can't understand the cognitive dissonance of people claiming we should respect the will of the Brits, but not the one of the Scotts.

Wait I do, it's hypocrisy
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So UK should not be afraid of a new referendum, right? Unless they know Scotts will vote leave, and refuse them the right of self-determination?

Yeah, fuck you, they are hypocrites and know it
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Why can some people just no ever get over the fact that they are in a minority and therefore they lost and should just move on? Grow the fuck up and accept that you can't always get your way in life when more people want something you do not.

The Scottish referendum was agreed to be the one and only time they would vote on the issue and that both sides would abide by the results.
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Favoring the UK's hold over Scotts is no different than favoring the EU's hold over UK.

With your logic you are also against Flemish independance


The Flemish support Scottish independance so fuck you you fascist scum
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77708627


I thought Brexit was supposed to be a one time deal too lol,
But it was only if it went the way the “Government” wanted lol
Ultimately they passed it right? How do you really anticipate this effecting the UK in reality?
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The May government was trying to keep the UK in the EU and had she not been ousted, I'm sure she would have pushed for as many referendums as it took to change the vote back. It was Boris that said he would deliver what the people voted for and that is why he got an outright majority despite all the crap thrown at him and backstabbing that went on to try and bring him down.

People in the UK (the majority) want their country back and are prepared for all the short-term hardships that that will bring. If that meant doing a deal with the devil ie. labour voters voting conservative (which would be something like black people voting for the ku kux klan in comparison) then they were prepared to risk a few years more of their rule to get the long term result of leaving the EU and standing on their own again.

Most people don't know that the UK twice voted not to join the common market (the original European vote) because they knew it would not be just a common market, which most people were not opposed to, but would become the bureaucratic and undemocratic monster that it is today. They were right and that's why they want out.
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Most people also don't know that the founding EU countries were actually against the UK joining the EU because they're but a US lapdog.
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Most people also don't know that the founding EU countries were actually against the UK joining the EU because they're but a US lapdog.
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That's what greed does then, thinking they could fleece the UK for their own benefit by letting them in. Someone's going to have to make up for all the billions they will be losing now.
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They had an independence vote 5 years ago and they voted to stay in the UK.

The SNP are a bunch of whinging haters who think they are better off outside the UK but inside the EU. They do about 70% of their trade with the rest of the UK, so you can see the flaw in their argument...

The SNP don't want independence, they don't want to leave the EU!
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Well said Sir/Madam
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Summed it up nicely.
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Breaking now.

PM Boris Johnson has rejected SNP leader Nicola Sturgeon’s request for a second Scottish independence referendum, claiming it “would continue the political stagnation that Scotland has seen for the last decade."

Sturgeon - the first minister of Scotland - is on record as saying that she wants to hold a second referendum later this year, believing that she has a mandate following the 2019 general election that saw her party win 48 of the 59 seats in Scotland.

However, in a letter to Sturgeon, published on social media on Tuesday, Johnson contended that she and her predecessor promised that the 2014 independence referendum would be a “once in a generation vote.”
 Quoting: keybored

Oh go die finally whore of london. Who wants to make pretend for snarky orcs and goblins playing office or pay for londons welfare when thanks to wretched london, they are already buried in welfare to support a zoo that turned Scotland into an ugly mogadishu and everybodys lives to catering to babbling idiots.
Break up uk. Its turned into another eu of abusive thieves harming the nations and ruining people. Just look at the irish.
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Most people also don't know that the founding EU countries were actually against the UK joining the EU because they're but a US lapdog.
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That's what greed does then, thinking they could fleece the UK for their own benefit by letting them in. Someone's going to have to make up for all the billions they will be losing now.
 Quoting: keybored


That's not what happened. It's the US that pushed for it, like they pushed for EU to accept Turkey too.

It's all US meddling in other countries politics
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Most people also don't know that the founding EU countries were actually against the UK joining the EU because they're but a US lapdog.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 66919736


That's what greed does then, thinking they could fleece the UK for their own benefit by letting them in. Someone's going to have to make up for all the billions they will be losing now.
 Quoting: keybored


That's not what happened. It's the US that pushed for it, like they pushed for EU to accept Turkey too.

It's all US meddling in other countries politics
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 66919736

Sure it is rachid, sure it is. The eu lied to everybody to get them to sign onto a scam.
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We voted to stay last time. Scotland will stay British.
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I can't understand the cognitive dissonance of people claiming we should respect the will of the Brits, but not the one of the Scotts.

Wait I do, it's hypocrisy
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Scots are Brits you massive bellend
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Sovereignty is everybody's inalienable right.
Oh wait, that's only on paper.
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9teen No they voted on this several years ago. You don't get a second bite of the cherry.
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I wouldn't mind Scotland independent... but idrt Sturgeon is the correct person for the job.
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Re: London rejects permission for Scotland's second independence referendum demand
Bunch of fascist globalist hypocrite scum in this thread who are supporting UK independance but not Scottish independance?


Fuck you all of you
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You don't even know what you're talking about. It's the SNP not Scottish people who want this. How much do you know about the SNP?

Fuck all I imagine.

Anyway, the Scots are subsidised by the English. Without that subsidy they'd be in recession. Most Scots know this, which is why they rejected the first referendum.

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I can't understand the cognitive dissonance of people claiming we should respect the will of the Brits, but not the one of the Scotts.

Wait I do, it's hypocrisy
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Respecting the will of the Scots would have been keeping Scotland in the UK. As they voted for, and as happened. Over 1 million Scots voted to leave the EU vs 1.6 million voting to stay. It's the same argument for each case in reverse.
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so is it like that for Scotland now that they murdered Mary?

You are not still even allowed to vote when you want to for what you want to unless Elizabeth says okay?

You should have NEVER allowed an illegitimate bloodline to take over a Country of the Holy Grail Bloodline.

Idiots.
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just watched braveheart. Would love to see the 2021 reboot :-)
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They had an independence vote 5 years ago and they voted to stay in the UK.

The SNP are a bunch of whinging haters who think they are better off outside the UK but inside the EU. They do about 70% of their trade with the rest of the UK, so you can see the flaw in their argument...

The SNP don't want independence, they don't want to leave the EU!
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Well said Sir/Madam
 Quoting: Andy-Capp




Summed it up nicely.
 Quoting: orangesandlemons




yep

tbh it's a win win for the snp

they don't have a referendum to distract them
they do have to knuckle down and get on with brexit

no one in Scotland will thank them for pulling a corbyn and obstructing everything they can because they can- because they can't really- not with the tory majority as it is

so , they get to blame the tories for another 5 years while fudging minimal accountability for themselves - something they like very much and are good at

and this act of 'imposition' from Whitehall was exactly what started the small minority 'snp ' back in the day (70's)

and now they run Scottish parliament, Scottish councils and have a healthy 50+ mp's in Westminster and have permanently ended the 2 party system north of the border

I thank thatcher for single handedly catapulting Scottish independence into the mainstream from that small minority

and this kind of stunt just does the same for the next generation of Scottish voters


it-Scottish independence - will come

it will be right for both Scotland and the rest of the uk when it comes

but it isn't right now


we are stronger together for the next few years and that's how it's going to have to roll :)
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Sovereignty is everybody's inalienable right.
Oh wait, that's only on paper.
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The Scots had s vote in 2014 on independence - they voted by 55 to 45 to stay in the UK. Now because the SNP can't accept referendum results they want to vote again.

What about the rights of people in England and Wales to not be endlessly disrupted by Scotland or more correctly one political party there - which has much higher spending per head than either paid for by the English and Welsh taxpayer!
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hesright
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Scotland needs to arm up & grow some balls. I am of Scot blood & they used to be fighters!
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Boris has denied it - sturgeon will keep pushing referendum as SNP want freedom from Britain but need to be inside Europe?
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I can't understand the cognitive dissonance of people claiming we should respect the will of the Brits, but not the one of the Scotts.

Wait I do, it's hypocrisy
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Respecting the will of the Scots would have been keeping Scotland in the UK. As they voted for, and as happened. Over 1 million Scots voted to leave the EU vs 1.6 million voting to stay. It's the same argument for each case in reverse.
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I admit that my take on matters is filtered through a conservative/rightist prism.

I also admit that if the EU in Brussels were a strongly right-leaning, ethical, practical, rational, logical, non-power-hungry entity, I wouldn't have a big problem with any sane, humane nation remaining a part of it. But when I see the EU's heavy-handed overreach and it sticking its big, fat nose into non-economic matters - or getting involved in Big Nanny liberalism/leftism - that's a whole different matter

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They had an independence vote 5 years ago and they voted to stay in the UK.

The SNP are a bunch of whinging haters who think they are better off outside the UK but inside the EU. They do about 70% of their trade with the rest of the UK, so you can see the flaw in their argument...

The SNP don't want independence, they don't want to leave the EU!
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Well said Sir/Madam
 Quoting: Andy-Capp


well, they just need to stop being cry-babies
and learn to take "no" for an answer.
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Scotland needs to arm up & grow some balls. I am of Scot blood & they used to be fighters!
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Lol what a bunch og hypocrites.

They can leave EU, but Scots can't leave UK.

Fuck the brits
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Belgian waffle. They voted to stay you ignoramus.
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So UK should not be afraid of a new referendum, right? Unless they know Scotts will vote leave, and refuse them the right of self-determination?

Yeah, fuck you, they are hypocrites and know it
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77708627


Why can some people just no ever get over the fact that they are in a minority and therefore they lost and should just move on? Grow the fuck up and accept that you can't always get your way in life when more people want something you do not.

The Scottish referendum was agreed to be the one and only time they would vote on the issue and that both sides would abide by the results.
 Quoting: keybored


A once in a generation quote was no more than a verbal agreement, the actual written agreement in the Smith Commission states this: Chapter 2 Heads of agreement introduction

18 It is agreed that nothing in this report prevents Scotland becoming an independent country in the future should the people of Scotland so choose.

So there you go, agreed and signed by both the Scottish and UK government.
So one way or another Scotland will have it's referendum and there are already plans underway to do it with out Boris Johnsons permission and as it has been agreed that the choice is up to the Scottish people it will be legal.
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She needs shafting by an African American coon.
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Why does Britain hold Scotland in slavery since 1700s? The Scots were put down when they tried to succeed. Shot and killed in droves for treason and more.

I suspect the modern reason is all the oil in the North Sea and Britain would loose income and taxes.
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I suspect the modern reason is all the oil in the North Sea and Britain would loose income and taxes.
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In turn, why does the EU cling so tightly to its current jurisdictions? Moreover, why do various Scots want to retain close ties to a greedy, misery-inducing, power-hungry entity based in Brussels, Belgium?

What the hell is that all about?

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Breaking now.

PM Boris Johnson has rejected SNP leader Nicola Sturgeon’s request for a second Scottish independence referendum, claiming it “would continue the political stagnation that Scotland has seen for the last decade."

Sturgeon - the first minister of Scotland - is on record as saying that she wants to hold a second referendum later this year, believing that she has a mandate following the 2019 general election that saw her party win 48 of the 59 seats in Scotland.

However, in a letter to Sturgeon, published on social media on Tuesday, Johnson contended that she and her predecessor promised that the 2014 independence referendum would be a “once in a generation vote.”
 Quoting: keybored


That is fucked up! FUCK ENGLAND , ENGLAND AS BEEN TREATING SCOTLAND LIKE SHIT FOR A THOUSAND YEARS!
Anyone who challenges their control is deemed a sexist, a racist, a xenophobe and morally deformed , they will attack you they will slander you, they will seek to destroy your career and your family, they will seek to destroy everything about you ,including your reputation they will lie lie lie, they will do whatever is necessary!
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Most people also don't know that the founding EU countries were actually against the UK joining the EU because they're but a US lapdog.
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That's what greed does then, thinking they could fleece the UK for their own benefit by letting them in. Someone's going to have to make up for all the billions they will be losing now.
 Quoting: keybored



To be fair the EU has stripped the UK clean of manufacturing
They paid companies to move to Eastern Europe, they also made sure they took all the fish in UK waters
They took everything that wasn't nailed down

So you can spare the whole " greedy UK rubbish "





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