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What is the main reason so many do not believe in a Creator...and choose evolution?

 
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What is the main reason so many do not believe in a Creator...and choose evolution?
Can it be said fairly that those who believe in evolution are "spiritual orphans"...with no Heavenly Father, and no hope for the future on this earth?
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Re: What is the main reason so many do not believe in a Creator...and choose evolution?
Fear of judgement.
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Fear of judgement.
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Well I was going to type out a whole cause & effect/rhyme & reason response but ^^THAT^^ pretty much sums it up right there.
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Re: What is the main reason so many do not believe in a Creator...and choose evolution?
Fear of judgement.
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Fear of judgement from God or from humans?
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Re: What is the main reason so many do not believe in a Creator...and choose evolution?
Statistics and something that just seem to be real every so thousand years.
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And not real now?
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Re: What is the main reason so many do not believe in a Creator...and choose evolution?
It is a perfectly reasonable thought that evolution and God are both real. As long as you dont take that book of jokes called the bible seriously. Anyone that worships the type of God that depicts a child smashing his ant Far is clinically insane. Biblically, he was like an abusive boyfriend to the world. Then instead of saying my bad, he sent the proto hippie to teach a totally different script. Then he fuckin killed him.

Keep that guy. I have my own god.

And he coexists with science nicely.
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Re: What is the main reason so many do not believe in a Creator...and choose evolution?
Statistics and something that just seem to be real every so thousand years.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78350448


Not sure what you mean, but....the abundance of life all around the earth is and always has been real, and evidence of intelligent design, no?
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Re: What is the main reason so many do not believe in a Creator...and choose evolution?
Statistics and something that just seem to be real every so thousand years.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78350448


Not sure what you mean, but....the abundance of life all around the earth is and always has been real, and evidence of intelligent design, no?
 Quoting: CelestialMaiden


Nope. There is NOT A SHRED of evidence for "intelligent design". The FACT is, evolution is real, not something to be believed in. Reasonable people don't "believe" in evolution, we simply understand it.

Your argument is a very well known one and is part of the process for becoming a reasonable person. Its called "personal incredulity".
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Re: What is the main reason so many do not believe in a Creator...and choose evolution?
Statistics and something that just seem to be real every so thousand years.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78350448


Not sure what you mean, but....the abundance of life all around the earth is and always has been real, and evidence of intelligent design, no?
 Quoting: CelestialMaiden


Nope. There is NOT A SHRED of evidence for "intelligent design". The FACT is, evolution is real, not something to be believed in. Reasonable people don't "believe" in evolution, we simply understand it.

Your argument is a very well known one and is part of the process for becoming a reasonable person. Its called "personal incredulity".
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Re: What is the main reason so many do not believe in a Creator...and choose evolution?
Nope. There is NOT A SHRED of evidence for "intelligent design". The FACT is, evolution is real, not something to be believed in. Reasonable people don't "believe" in evolution, we simply understand it.

Your argument is a very well known one and is part of the process for becoming a reasonable person. Its called "personal incredulity".
 Quoting: MaybeTrollingUAgain


womanchild Your full of it.
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Re: What is the main reason so many do not believe in a Creator...and choose evolution?
Creation and evolution are not mutually exclusive
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Re: What is the main reason so many do not believe in a Creator...and choose evolution?
Nope. There is NOT A SHRED of evidence for "intelligent design". The FACT is, evolution is real, not something to be believed in. Reasonable people don't "believe" in evolution, we simply understand it.

Your argument is a very well known one and is part of the process for becoming a reasonable person. Its called "personal incredulity".
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womanchild Your full of it.
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If by "it" you mean reason and rationality, yes. Is it really so hard to just admit evolution is real and factual?
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Re: What is the main reason so many do not believe in a Creator...and choose evolution?
God created humans using evolution.
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Re: What is the main reason so many do not believe in a Creator...and choose evolution?
God created humans using evolution.
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The thing is that for the evolution process, we have plenty of evidence...
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Re: What is the main reason so many do not believe in a Creator...and choose evolution?
God created humans using evolution.
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The thing is that for the evolution process, we have plenty of evidence...
 Quoting: MaybeTrollingUAgain


Good
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Statistics and something that just seem to be real every so thousand years.
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Not sure what you mean, but....the abundance of life all around the earth is and always has been real, and evidence of intelligent design, no?
 Quoting: CelestialMaiden


Nope. There is NOT A SHRED of evidence for "intelligent design". The FACT is, evolution is real, not something to be believed in. Reasonable people don't "believe" in evolution, we simply understand it.

Your argument is a very well known one and is part of the process for becoming a reasonable person. Its called "personal incredulity".
 Quoting: MaybeTrollingUAgain


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One cannot imagine the living cell existing without intelligent design
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Re: What is the main reason so many do not believe in a Creator...and choose evolution?
God *** In the beginning

13.8 Billion BC ****** Universe Big Bang event

4.57 Billion BC ****** Sun formed

4.54 Billion BC ****** Earth formed

4.53 Billion BC ****** Moon formed

3 Billion BC ********* Algae appears

510 Million BC******* Fish appear

360 Million BC******* Fern plants appear

230 Million BC******* Dinosaurs appear

150 Million BC******* Birds appear

68 - 66 Million BC *** Tyrannosaurus Rex abundant

66 Million BC****** Dinosaur extinction event

4.8 Million BC**** Mammoths present

250,000 BC***** Homo sapiens present. The human species that lacked awareness of God.

10,000 BC***** Gobekli Tepe ancient site in Turkey showing human construction of pillars and sculptures.

4163 BC***** Time of Adam and Woman (Mankind first became aware of God)(Woman was renamed as Eve after eating the forbidden fruit from the serpent which resulted in the spiritual fall of mankind and then Jesus comes and resurrects humanity thousands of years later) (Adam's society was in the ancient Mesopotamia/Sumer area)
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Re: What is the main reason so many do not believe in a Creator...and choose evolution?
Statistics and something that just seem to be real every so thousand years.
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Not sure what you mean, but....the abundance of life all around the earth is and always has been real, and evidence of intelligent design, no?
 Quoting: CelestialMaiden


Nope. There is NOT A SHRED of evidence for "intelligent design". The FACT is, evolution is real, not something to be believed in. Reasonable people don't "believe" in evolution, we simply understand it.

Your argument is a very well known one and is part of the process for becoming a reasonable person. Its called "personal incredulity".
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One cannot imagine the living cell existing without intelligent design
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Correction: YOU don't understand it. Same argument as OP, you opt for personal incredulity.
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Not sure what you mean, but....the abundance of life all around the earth is and always has been real, and evidence of intelligent design, no?
 Quoting: CelestialMaiden


Nope. There is NOT A SHRED of evidence for "intelligent design". The FACT is, evolution is real, not something to be believed in. Reasonable people don't "believe" in evolution, we simply understand it.

Your argument is a very well known one and is part of the process for becoming a reasonable person. Its called "personal incredulity".
 Quoting: MaybeTrollingUAgain


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One cannot imagine the living cell existing without intelligent design
 Quoting: CelestialMaiden


Correction: YOU don't understand it. Same argument as OP, you opt for personal incredulity.
 Quoting: MaybeTrollingUAgain


A look at the video I linked to might be helpful....correct....I do not understand how one can look at the complexity of life, lets start with the living cell...and say it evolved.....what did the living cell evolve from?
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Nope. There is NOT A SHRED of evidence for "intelligent design". The FACT is, evolution is real, not something to be believed in. Reasonable people don't "believe" in evolution, we simply understand it.

Your argument is a very well known one and is part of the process for becoming a reasonable person. Its called "personal incredulity".
 Quoting: MaybeTrollingUAgain


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One cannot imagine the living cell existing without intelligent design
 Quoting: CelestialMaiden


Correction: YOU don't understand it. Same argument as OP, you opt for personal incredulity.
 Quoting: MaybeTrollingUAgain


A look at the video I linked to might be helpful....correct....I do not understand how one can look at the complexity of life, lets start with the living cell...and say it evolved.....what did the living cell evolve from?
 Quoting: CelestialMaiden


So your rationalization is: "I don't understand it, therefore god"?

I do know the subject in the video. Yes cells can be VERY complex. This is just one of the thousands of confirmations for the evolution. The problem is you can't visualize its gradual mutation along millions if not billions of years. Its another very well known faulty argument: the irreducible complexity. Have you ever tried to study and ACTUALLY understand evolution? There is plenty of free material on the internet to study from. Try it, you might surprise yourself!
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One cannot imagine the living cell existing without intelligent design
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Correction: YOU don't understand it. Same argument as OP, you opt for personal incredulity.
 Quoting: MaybeTrollingUAgain


A look at the video I linked to might be helpful....correct....I do not understand how one can look at the complexity of life, lets start with the living cell...and say it evolved.....what did the living cell evolve from?
 Quoting: CelestialMaiden


So your rationalization is: "I don't understand it, therefore god"?

I do know the subject in the video. Yes cells can be VERY complex. This is just one of the thousands of confirmations for the evolution. The problem is you can't visualize its gradual mutation along millions if not billions of years. Its another very well known faulty argument: the irreducible complexity. Have you ever tried to study and ACTUALLY understand evolution? There is plenty of free material on the internet to study from. Try it, you might surprise yourself!
 Quoting: MaybeTrollingUAgain


Mutate from what?
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Correction: YOU don't understand it. Same argument as OP, you opt for personal incredulity.
 Quoting: MaybeTrollingUAgain


A look at the video I linked to might be helpful....correct....I do not understand how one can look at the complexity of life, lets start with the living cell...and say it evolved.....what did the living cell evolve from?
 Quoting: CelestialMaiden


So your rationalization is: "I don't understand it, therefore god"?

I do know the subject in the video. Yes cells can be VERY complex. This is just one of the thousands of confirmations for the evolution. The problem is you can't visualize its gradual mutation along millions if not billions of years. Its another very well known faulty argument: the irreducible complexity. Have you ever tried to study and ACTUALLY understand evolution? There is plenty of free material on the internet to study from. Try it, you might surprise yourself!
 Quoting: MaybeTrollingUAgain


Mutate from what?
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From different forms of course.
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Re: What is the main reason so many do not believe in a Creator...and choose evolution?
evolution is widely demonstrated at this point.

so, OP, this issue is NOT a "line in the sand" for religious types.

the biggest problem with evo as of today is abiogenesis, and THIS is where your old book still has DEEP LEGS.

we sconce folk are often flustered by how hard it is for some folk to cognize outside the book..

but the book doesnt mention everything, it literally cannot.

how long is a "day" for god? why are there 2 creations in genesis? why would god give us reason and mystery if we are not meant to combine the two and find answers?

BUT

TLDR: god still likely to initiate the evo process. note likelihood of god is not intended as endorsement of any religion.. it is likely that religion is gods worst enemy, and that one answer, religion, also serves to answer OPS question.

many rational people are so offended by the history of religion, that they threw the baby out with the bathwater so to speak.

but god is not religion.
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evolution is widely demonstrated at this point.

so, OP, this issue is NOT a "line in the sand" for religious types.

the biggest problem with evo as of today is abiogenesis, and THIS is where your old book still has DEEP LEGS.

we sconce folk are often flustered by how hard it is for some folk to cognize outside the book..

but the book doesnt mention everything, it literally cannot.

how long is a "day" for god? why are there 2 creations in genesis? why would god give us reason and mystery if we are not meant to combine the two and find answers?

BUT

TLDR: god still likely to initiate the evo process. note likelihood of god is not intended as endorsement of any religion.. it is likely that religion is gods worst enemy, and that one answer, religion, also serves to answer OPS question.

many rational people are so offended by the history of religion, that they threw the baby out with the bathwater so to speak.

but god is not religion.
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we sconce folk.. LOL (worship the SCONCE!)

was supposed to read "science"
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Re: What is the main reason so many do not believe in a Creator...and choose evolution?
Really, I think that the main reason people believe in evolution because of the existence of one type of animal.

That animal is the ape.

If there were just fish, birds, and four legged beasts, evolution would lose many of its followers.
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Re: What is the main reason so many do not believe in a Creator...and choose evolution?
Nope. There is NOT A SHRED of evidence for "intelligent design". The FACT is, evolution is real, not something to be believed in. Reasonable people don't "believe" in evolution, we simply understand it.

Your argument is a very well known one and is part of the process for becoming a reasonable person. Its called "personal incredulity".
 Quoting: MaybeTrollingUAgain


womanchild Your full of it.
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If by "it" you mean reason and rationality, yes. Is it really so hard to just admit evolution is real and factual?
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I don't.
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Re: What is the main reason so many do not believe in a Creator...and choose evolution?
Many people recognize the OT god as a jealous and malicious tyrant, which he is, and that turns them off from Christianity.

What they don’t realize is, OT god of the ‘tribe’ is unforgiving , but Christ is incredibly forgiving and loving. All have gotta so is ask and repent!
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the average IQ is pretty low, and the propaganda is strong with this one, how about you are both wrong s226
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Nope. There is NOT A SHRED of evidence for "intelligent design". The FACT is, evolution is real, not something to be believed in. Reasonable people don't "believe" in evolution, we simply understand it.

Your argument is a very well known one and is part of the process for becoming a reasonable person. Its called "personal incredulity".
 Quoting: MaybeTrollingUAgain


womanchild Your full of it.
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If by "it" you mean reason and rationality, yes. Is it really so hard to just admit evolution is real and factual?
 Quoting: MaybeTrollingUAgain


I don't.
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That's a pity, it would look like you were rational and intelligent for once.
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Re: What is the main reason so many do not believe in a Creator...and choose evolution?
because they have never seen this thread

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