Godlike Productions - Discussion Forum
Users Online Now: 2,946 (Who's On?)Visitors Today: 460,519
Pageviews Today: 1,418,330Threads Today: 844Posts Today: 14,579
05:30 PM


Rate this Thread

Absolute BS Crap Reasonable Nice Amazing
 

What is the main reason so many do not believe in a Creator...and choose evolution?

 
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 42120434
United States
01/17/2020 01:20 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: What is the main reason so many do not believe in a Creator...and choose evolution?
Can it be said fairly that those who believe in evolution are "spiritual orphans"...with no Heavenly Father, and no hope for the future on this earth?
 Quoting: CelestialMaiden


Maybe it's because we're not as dumb to believe what people 5000 years ago thought about things in life.

They would hear thunder, not knowing what caused it, and think it was a god talking to them. FFS.

They would see lightning, and think it was Thor...

They thought it was gods hand when an air burst meteorite exploded and took out small cities like Sodam. Just because they didn't know about asteroids and meteors.

They made up gods for everything they didn't understand.

This is why I do not believe in any gods.
CelestialMaiden  (OP)

User ID: 20340140
United States
01/17/2020 02:33 PM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: What is the main reason so many do not believe in a Creator...and choose evolution?
Rebellion.
 Quoting: Interested_1


Interesting answer.....rebellion is where it all began
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 78292982
01/17/2020 09:08 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: What is the main reason so many do not believe in a Creator...and choose evolution?
Rebellion.
 Quoting: Interested_1


Interesting answer.....rebellion is where it all began
 Quoting: CelestialMaiden


Rather than making assumptions and judging people you've never met, maybe you should actually go learn what the evidence is for evolution.

Have you ever tried that? Can you even tell me what evolution theory is?
Interested_1

User ID: 77128962
United States
01/17/2020 11:24 PM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: What is the main reason so many do not believe in a Creator...and choose evolution?
Rebellion.
 Quoting: Interested_1


Interesting answer.....rebellion is where it all began
 Quoting: CelestialMaiden


Yes it is. What's the saying?
"The more things change, the more they stay the same."
or
"Those who ignore the past are doomed to repeat it."
Yesterday is history
Tomorrow is a mystery
Today is a gift ~ that's why we call it the present!
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 77762685
Belgium
01/19/2020 08:23 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: What is the main reason so many do not believe in a Creator...and choose evolution?
Rebellion.
 Quoting: Interested_1


Interesting answer.....rebellion is where it all began
 Quoting: CelestialMaiden


Rather than making assumptions and judging people you've never met, maybe you should actually go learn what the evidence is for evolution.

Have you ever tried that? Can you even tell me what evolution theory is?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78292982


Conjecture, pragmatism and bullshit.

We know what you believe to be true, do not worry, we all know and we have very good reasons not to believe this to be true.

Cheers 5a
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 78292982
01/19/2020 11:08 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: What is the main reason so many do not believe in a Creator...and choose evolution?
Rebellion.
 Quoting: Interested_1


Interesting answer.....rebellion is where it all began
 Quoting: CelestialMaiden


Rather than making assumptions and judging people you've never met, maybe you should actually go learn what the evidence is for evolution.

Have you ever tried that? Can you even tell me what evolution theory is?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78292982


Conjecture, pragmatism and bullshit.

We know what you believe to be true, do not worry, we all know and we have very good reasons not to believe this to be true.

Cheers 5a
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77762685


I don't think you do. After all this time, can you tell me why most scientists accept evolution? It's been explained to you over and over.

Do you know what the theory says, and what accurate predictions it makes?

Why don't you think that a scientific theory that makes accurate predictions should be considered invalid?

Can you propose an alternative theory that has equal predictive power?
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 77762685
Belgium
01/20/2020 10:11 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: What is the main reason so many do not believe in a Creator...and choose evolution?
...


Interesting answer.....rebellion is where it all began
 Quoting: CelestialMaiden


Rather than making assumptions and judging people you've never met, maybe you should actually go learn what the evidence is for evolution.

Have you ever tried that? Can you even tell me what evolution theory is?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78292982


Conjecture, pragmatism and bullshit.

We know what you believe to be true, do not worry, we all know and we have very good reasons not to believe this to be true.

Cheers 5a
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77762685


I don't think you do. After all this time, can you tell me why most scientists accept evolution? It's been explained to you over and over.

Do you know what the theory says, and what accurate predictions it makes?

Why don't you think that a scientific theory that makes accurate predictions should be considered invalid?

Can you propose an alternative theory that has equal predictive power?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78292982


Most scientists accept evolution because they will lose their jobs, funding and credibility if they dont.

Just like Flew when he abandoned his ideas.

I mean your attitude towards this topic already clearly reflects the credibility part of my argument.

It is just a matter of time for you to change your mind when a new and trendy consensus comes along.

My alternative theory is that either everything was created and yours is everything created itself.

The main difference is, when I point out lets say a feather and show you complexity, functionality and ingenuity, my explanation will start out with a mind/creator and yours will start out with 'nature/time/dont know/no creator' did it.
MaybeTrollingUAgain

User ID: 76840347
United States
01/20/2020 12:48 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: What is the main reason so many do not believe in a Creator...and choose evolution?
...


Rather than making assumptions and judging people you've never met, maybe you should actually go learn what the evidence is for evolution.

Have you ever tried that? Can you even tell me what evolution theory is?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78292982


Conjecture, pragmatism and bullshit.

We know what you believe to be true, do not worry, we all know and we have very good reasons not to believe this to be true.

Cheers 5a
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77762685


I don't think you do. After all this time, can you tell me why most scientists accept evolution? It's been explained to you over and over.

Do you know what the theory says, and what accurate predictions it makes?

Why don't you think that a scientific theory that makes accurate predictions should be considered invalid?

Can you propose an alternative theory that has equal predictive power?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78292982


Most scientists accept evolution because they will lose their jobs, funding and credibility if they dont.

Just like Flew when he abandoned his ideas.

I mean your attitude towards this topic already clearly reflects the credibility part of my argument.

It is just a matter of time for you to change your mind when a new and trendy consensus comes along.

My alternative theory is that either everything was created and yours is everything created itself.

The main difference is, when I point out lets say a feather and show you complexity, functionality and ingenuity, my explanation will start out with a mind/creator and yours will start out with 'nature/time/dont know/no creator' did it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77762685


Most scientists accept evolution because they will lose their jobs, funding and credibility if they dont.

Complete baseless claim. Usually what happens is exactly the opposite.


My alternative theory is that either everything was created and yours is everything created itself.
Its abundantly clear that you are NOT graduated. Therefore, thinks that a scientific theory is the same as a hunch or hypothesis.

The main difference is, when I point out lets say a feather and show you complexity, functionality and ingenuity, my explanation will start out with a mind/creator and yours will start out with 'nature/time/dont know/no creator' did it.
The main difference is that you know nothing about science. It starts with observation, then evidence is collected, then evidence is tested and this cycle repeats to the exaustion. Sometimes for many decades. When there is a sufficient body of evidence(overwhelming evidence) then it can maybe become a theory. What you want to do is, start with an observation, insert a baseless and evidenceless claim and expect that everyone accepts it because that's how you think science works. It is not.
MaybeTrollingUAgain
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 78292982
01/21/2020 04:17 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: What is the main reason so many do not believe in a Creator...and choose evolution?
...


Rather than making assumptions and judging people you've never met, maybe you should actually go learn what the evidence is for evolution.

Have you ever tried that? Can you even tell me what evolution theory is?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78292982


Conjecture, pragmatism and bullshit.

We know what you believe to be true, do not worry, we all know and we have very good reasons not to believe this to be true.

Cheers 5a
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77762685


I don't think you do. After all this time, can you tell me why most scientists accept evolution? It's been explained to you over and over.

Do you know what the theory says, and what accurate predictions it makes?

Why don't you think that a scientific theory that makes accurate predictions should be considered invalid?

Can you propose an alternative theory that has equal predictive power?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78292982


Most scientists accept evolution because they will lose their jobs, funding and credibility if they dont.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77762685


Lol ok... So they're all just pretending? They don't really think the evidence supports evolution? You're delusional. You're pulling this claim straight out of your ass based on nothing.

As I thought, even though it's been explained to you over and over, you still don't know why scientists accept evolution. You don't have the attention span necessary to learn basic biology.

Just like Flew when he abandoned his ideas.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77762685


Flew didn't abandon evolution, retard. He was a deist, which means he didn't believe in your god. I've told you this multiple times, but it's like your brain is incapable of absorbing new information.

I mean your attitude towards this topic already clearly reflects the credibility part of my argument.

It is just a matter of time for you to change your mind when a new and trendy consensus comes along.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77762685


Another claim that you pulled out of your ass, based on nothing. Evolution theory has only grown stronger since it was created, and it's not going anywhere in our lifetimes.

My alternative theory is that either everything was created and yours is everything created itself.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77762685


You don't know what I believe, or what theory means, you dense fuck. Show me a test that demonstrates a snowflake is assembled by an intelligent creator.

The main difference is, when I point out lets say a feather and show you complexity, functionality and ingenuity, my explanation will start out with a mind/creator and yours will start out with 'nature/time/dont know/no creator' did it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77762685


Yeah, because nature and time are facts. Your religion is not. I try to explain the feather using evidence, you'll make ignorant assertions based on nothing at all. That's the real difference between us.
I'm describing complex biological processes, you're just asserting 'god done it.' That doesn't explain anything. Just like saying 'my parents made me' doesn't explain how reproduction actually works.

Again, you haven't retained anything about evolution, despite arguing about it constantly. You're too stupid to talk to. Stop wasting my time.
Zoinkaeon
Odious Tumulus

User ID: 12343871
United States
01/21/2020 04:22 AM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: What is the main reason so many do not believe in a Creator...and choose evolution?
I think Mark Twain summed it up rather quaintly.

"It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled."
Ash Nazg Durbatulûk, Ash Nazg Gimbatul, Ash Nazg Thrakatulûk, Agh Burzum-ishi Krimpatul
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 76013906
United States
01/24/2020 01:47 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: What is the main reason so many do not believe in a Creator...and choose evolution?
Because it’s easy for a Creator AND evolution to both be true?
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 77762685
Belgium
01/27/2020 07:21 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: What is the main reason so many do not believe in a Creator...and choose evolution?
...


Conjecture, pragmatism and bullshit.

We know what you believe to be true, do not worry, we all know and we have very good reasons not to believe this to be true.

Cheers 5a
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77762685


I don't think you do. After all this time, can you tell me why most scientists accept evolution? It's been explained to you over and over.

Do you know what the theory says, and what accurate predictions it makes?

Why don't you think that a scientific theory that makes accurate predictions should be considered invalid?

Can you propose an alternative theory that has equal predictive power?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78292982


Most scientists accept evolution because they will lose their jobs, funding and credibility if they dont.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77762685


Lol ok... So they're all just pretending? They don't really think the evidence supports evolution? You're delusional. You're pulling this claim straight out of your ass based on nothing.

As I thought, even though it's been explained to you over and over, you still don't know why scientists accept evolution. You don't have the attention span necessary to learn basic biology.

Just like Flew when he abandoned his ideas.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77762685


Flew didn't abandon evolution, retard. He was a deist, which means he didn't believe in your god. I've told you this multiple times, but it's like your brain is incapable of absorbing new information.

I mean your attitude towards this topic already clearly reflects the credibility part of my argument.

It is just a matter of time for you to change your mind when a new and trendy consensus comes along.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77762685


Another claim that you pulled out of your ass, based on nothing. Evolution theory has only grown stronger since it was created, and it's not going anywhere in our lifetimes.

My alternative theory is that either everything was created and yours is everything created itself.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77762685


You don't know what I believe, or what theory means, you dense fuck. Show me a test that demonstrates a snowflake is assembled by an intelligent creator.

The main difference is, when I point out lets say a feather and show you complexity, functionality and ingenuity, my explanation will start out with a mind/creator and yours will start out with 'nature/time/dont know/no creator' did it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77762685


Yeah, because nature and time are facts. Your religion is not. I try to explain the feather using evidence, you'll make ignorant assertions based on nothing at all. That's the real difference between us.
I'm describing complex biological processes, you're just asserting 'god done it.' That doesn't explain anything. Just like saying 'my parents made me' doesn't explain how reproduction actually works.

Again, you haven't retained anything about evolution, despite arguing about it constantly. You're too stupid to talk to. Stop wasting my time.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78292982



Flew stated that "the most impressive arguments for God’s existence are those that are supported by recent scientific discoveries" and that "the argument to Intelligent Design is enormously stronger than it was when I first met it". The argument of ID is that evidenced objects and physical concepts are either too simple or too complex to be simply natural, whichever of the two extremes one chooses to be the hallmark of design by an outside intelligence. He also answered in the affirmative to Habermas's question, "So of the major theistic arguments, such as the cosmological, teleological, moral, and ontological, the only really impressive ones that you take to be decisive are the scientific forms of teleology?". He supported the idea of an Aristotelian God with "the characteristics of power and also intelligence", stating that the evidence for it was stronger than ever before


But that's just a crazy old man in fear of death. You are the only source of wisdom here, we know.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 77762685
Belgium
01/27/2020 07:25 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: What is the main reason so many do not believe in a Creator...and choose evolution?
...


Conjecture, pragmatism and bullshit.

We know what you believe to be true, do not worry, we all know and we have very good reasons not to believe this to be true.

Cheers 5a
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77762685


I don't think you do. After all this time, can you tell me why most scientists accept evolution? It's been explained to you over and over.

Do you know what the theory says, and what accurate predictions it makes?

Why don't you think that a scientific theory that makes accurate predictions should be considered invalid?

Can you propose an alternative theory that has equal predictive power?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78292982


Most scientists accept evolution because they will lose their jobs, funding and credibility if they dont.

Just like Flew when he abandoned his ideas.

I mean your attitude towards this topic already clearly reflects the credibility part of my argument.

It is just a matter of time for you to change your mind when a new and trendy consensus comes along.

My alternative theory is that either everything was created and yours is everything created itself.

The main difference is, when I point out lets say a feather and show you complexity, functionality and ingenuity, my explanation will start out with a mind/creator and yours will start out with 'nature/time/dont know/no creator' did it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77762685


Most scientists accept evolution because they will lose their jobs, funding and credibility if they dont.

Complete baseless claim. Usually what happens is exactly the opposite.


My alternative theory is that either everything was created and yours is everything created itself.
Its abundantly clear that you are NOT graduated. Therefore, thinks that a scientific theory is the same as a hunch or hypothesis.

The main difference is, when I point out lets say a feather and show you complexity, functionality and ingenuity, my explanation will start out with a mind/creator and yours will start out with 'nature/time/dont know/no creator' did it.
The main difference is that you know nothing about science. It starts with observation, then evidence is collected, then evidence is tested and this cycle repeats to the exaustion. Sometimes for many decades. When there is a sufficient body of evidence(overwhelming evidence) then it can maybe become a theory. What you want to do is, start with an observation, insert a baseless and evidenceless claim and expect that everyone accepts it because that's how you think science works. It is not.
 Quoting: MaybeTrollingUAgain


Are you high on something?

Going against any flow results exactly in what i have stated. Outcasts, rebels and the likes will always be removed for their mere ideas are a hinderance to idiots, no offense.
RussianAsset

User ID: 77996502
Netherlands
01/27/2020 07:33 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: What is the main reason so many do not believe in a Creator...and choose evolution?
Evidence. Simple as that.


All disciplines confirm evolution. Especially the genome project made this abundantly clear.


Now, you could maybe argue that God created evolution as a process to create, because he is way too busy to mold everything and everyone by hand, from clay, but surely he is more intelligent than that.

But again. No evidence for a God. None.

Last Edited by RussianAsset on 01/27/2020 07:33 AM
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 72946100
United States
01/27/2020 07:42 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: What is the main reason so many do not believe in a Creator...and choose evolution?
I'd say the main reason is what is known as "verifiable evidence", and easy access to information in the digital age.
gray lady
User ID: 77590476
United States
01/27/2020 07:45 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: What is the main reason so many do not believe in a Creator...and choose evolution?
Like lucifer...PRIDE.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 72946100
United States
01/27/2020 07:46 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: What is the main reason so many do not believe in a Creator...and choose evolution?
...


Conjecture, pragmatism and bullshit.

We know what you believe to be true, do not worry, we all know and we have very good reasons not to believe this to be true.

Cheers 5a
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77762685


I don't think you do. After all this time, can you tell me why most scientists accept evolution? It's been explained to you over and over.

Do you know what the theory says, and what accurate predictions it makes?

Why don't you think that a scientific theory that makes accurate predictions should be considered invalid?

Can you propose an alternative theory that has equal predictive power?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78292982


Most scientists accept evolution because they will lose their jobs, funding and credibility if they dont.

Just like Flew when he abandoned his ideas.

I mean your attitude towards this topic already clearly reflects the credibility part of my argument.

It is just a matter of time for you to change your mind when a new and trendy consensus comes along.

My alternative theory is that either everything was created and yours is everything created itself.

The main difference is, when I point out lets say a feather and show you complexity, functionality and ingenuity, my explanation will start out with a mind/creator and yours will start out with 'nature/time/dont know/no creator' did it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77762685


Most scientists accept evolution because they will lose their jobs, funding and credibility if they dont.

Complete baseless claim. Usually what happens is exactly the opposite.


My alternative theory is that either everything was created and yours is everything created itself.
Its abundantly clear that you are NOT graduated. Therefore, thinks that a scientific theory is the same as a hunch or hypothesis.

The main difference is, when I point out lets say a feather and show you complexity, functionality and ingenuity, my explanation will start out with a mind/creator and yours will start out with 'nature/time/dont know/no creator' did it.
The main difference is that you know nothing about science. It starts with observation, then evidence is collected, then evidence is tested and this cycle repeats to the exaustion. Sometimes for many decades. When there is a sufficient body of evidence(overwhelming evidence) then it can maybe become a theory. What you want to do is, start with an observation, insert a baseless and evidenceless claim and expect that everyone accepts it because that's how you think science works. It is not.
 Quoting: MaybeTrollingUAgain


"Most scientists accept evolution because they will lose their jobs, funding and credibility if they dont."

There is a very valid reason for that. Asserting an alternative theory lacking verifiable evidence is not science. It's mythology and superstition.
Wookiee666

User ID: 62421844
United States
01/27/2020 07:53 AM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: What is the main reason so many do not believe in a Creator...and choose evolution?
Statistics and something that just seem to be real every so thousand years.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78350448


Not sure what you mean, but....the abundance of life all around the earth is and always has been real, and evidence of intelligent design, no?
 Quoting: CelestialMaiden


Nope. There is NOT A SHRED of evidence for "intelligent design". The FACT is, evolution is real, not something to be believed in. Reasonable people don't "believe" in evolution, we simply understand it.

Your argument is a very well known one and is part of the process for becoming a reasonable person. Its called "personal incredulity".
 Quoting: MaybeTrollingUAgain


[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]


One cannot imagine the living cell existing without intelligent design
 Quoting: CelestialMaiden


May be.

But to KILL over it? That's the problem.

To kill over books written, compiled, edited (several times), printed, declared divinely inspired, by men is just too primitive for my liking.
Warning: Poster is a publicly confessed neophiliac. INTP-A

With chaos comes profit.

Giants walked the earth until it became completely flat. AC 77844580

"Just because he’s been correctly predicting doom for decades and it hasn’t happened yet, doesn’t mean he’s wrong." - some AC

"…I tasked a professional remote viewer to do this…" some AC from Finland.

"If the truth can destroy a thing, then let it be destroyed."

I never forgive and I never forget.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 72531636
United States
01/27/2020 04:15 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: What is the main reason so many do not believe in a Creator...and choose evolution?
Because evolution is so well-substantiated it's basically incontrovertible?
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 78292982
01/30/2020 02:37 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: What is the main reason so many do not believe in a Creator...and choose evolution?
...


I don't think you do. After all this time, can you tell me why most scientists accept evolution? It's been explained to you over and over.

Do you know what the theory says, and what accurate predictions it makes?

Why don't you think that a scientific theory that makes accurate predictions should be considered invalid?

Can you propose an alternative theory that has equal predictive power?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78292982


Most scientists accept evolution because they will lose their jobs, funding and credibility if they dont.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77762685


Lol ok... So they're all just pretending? They don't really think the evidence supports evolution? You're delusional. You're pulling this claim straight out of your ass based on nothing.

As I thought, even though it's been explained to you over and over, you still don't know why scientists accept evolution. You don't have the attention span necessary to learn basic biology.

Just like Flew when he abandoned his ideas.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77762685


Flew didn't abandon evolution, retard. He was a deist, which means he didn't believe in your god. I've told you this multiple times, but it's like your brain is incapable of absorbing new information.

I mean your attitude towards this topic already clearly reflects the credibility part of my argument.

It is just a matter of time for you to change your mind when a new and trendy consensus comes along.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77762685


Another claim that you pulled out of your ass, based on nothing. Evolution theory has only grown stronger since it was created, and it's not going anywhere in our lifetimes.

My alternative theory is that either everything was created and yours is everything created itself.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77762685


You don't know what I believe, or what theory means, you dense fuck. Show me a test that demonstrates a snowflake is assembled by an intelligent creator.

The main difference is, when I point out lets say a feather and show you complexity, functionality and ingenuity, my explanation will start out with a mind/creator and yours will start out with 'nature/time/dont know/no creator' did it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77762685


Yeah, because nature and time are facts. Your religion is not. I try to explain the feather using evidence, you'll make ignorant assertions based on nothing at all. That's the real difference between us.
I'm describing complex biological processes, you're just asserting 'god done it.' That doesn't explain anything. Just like saying 'my parents made me' doesn't explain how reproduction actually works.

Again, you haven't retained anything about evolution, despite arguing about it constantly. You're too stupid to talk to. Stop wasting my time.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78292982



Flew stated that "the most impressive arguments for God’s existence are those that are supported by recent scientific discoveries" and that "the argument to Intelligent Design is enormously stronger than it was when I first met it". The argument of ID is that evidenced objects and physical concepts are either too simple or too complex to be simply natural, whichever of the two extremes one chooses to be the hallmark of design by an outside intelligence. He also answered in the affirmative to Habermas's question, "So of the major theistic arguments, such as the cosmological, teleological, moral, and ontological, the only really impressive ones that you take to be decisive are the scientific forms of teleology?". He supported the idea of an Aristotelian God with "the characteristics of power and also intelligence", stating that the evidence for it was stronger than ever before


But that's just a crazy old man in fear of death. You are the only source of wisdom here, we know.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77762685


Do you know what a deist is? Deists believe that god started the universe, but doesn't interact with it beyond that. Flew believed in evolution. So why do you keep bringing him up to support your Creationist position? Flew disagreed with you.
Funney
User ID: 72942568
Czech Republic
01/30/2020 03:47 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: What is the main reason so many do not believe in a Creator...and choose evolution?
because it is more objective
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 76013906
United States
01/30/2020 12:18 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: What is the main reason so many do not believe in a Creator...and choose evolution?
...


Most scientists accept evolution because they will lose their jobs, funding and credibility if they dont.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77762685


Lol ok... So they're all just pretending? They don't really think the evidence supports evolution? You're delusional. You're pulling this claim straight out of your ass based on nothing.

As I thought, even though it's been explained to you over and over, you still don't know why scientists accept evolution. You don't have the attention span necessary to learn basic biology.

Just like Flew when he abandoned his ideas.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77762685


Flew didn't abandon evolution, retard. He was a deist, which means he didn't believe in your god. I've told you this multiple times, but it's like your brain is incapable of absorbing new information.

I mean your attitude towards this topic already clearly reflects the credibility part of my argument.

It is just a matter of time for you to change your mind when a new and trendy consensus comes along.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77762685


Another claim that you pulled out of your ass, based on nothing. Evolution theory has only grown stronger since it was created, and it's not going anywhere in our lifetimes.

My alternative theory is that either everything was created and yours is everything created itself.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77762685


You don't know what I believe, or what theory means, you dense fuck. Show me a test that demonstrates a snowflake is assembled by an intelligent creator.

The main difference is, when I point out lets say a feather and show you complexity, functionality and ingenuity, my explanation will start out with a mind/creator and yours will start out with 'nature/time/dont know/no creator' did it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77762685


Yeah, because nature and time are facts. Your religion is not. I try to explain the feather using evidence, you'll make ignorant assertions based on nothing at all. That's the real difference between us.
I'm describing complex biological processes, you're just asserting 'god done it.' That doesn't explain anything. Just like saying 'my parents made me' doesn't explain how reproduction actually works.

Again, you haven't retained anything about evolution, despite arguing about it constantly. You're too stupid to talk to. Stop wasting my time.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78292982



Flew stated that "the most impressive arguments for God’s existence are those that are supported by recent scientific discoveries" and that "the argument to Intelligent Design is enormously stronger than it was when I first met it". The argument of ID is that evidenced objects and physical concepts are either too simple or too complex to be simply natural, whichever of the two extremes one chooses to be the hallmark of design by an outside intelligence. He also answered in the affirmative to Habermas's question, "So of the major theistic arguments, such as the cosmological, teleological, moral, and ontological, the only really impressive ones that you take to be decisive are the scientific forms of teleology?". He supported the idea of an Aristotelian God with "the characteristics of power and also intelligence", stating that the evidence for it was stronger than ever before


But that's just a crazy old man in fear of death. You are the only source of wisdom here, we know.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77762685


Do you know what a deist is? Deists believe that god started the universe, but doesn't interact with it beyond that. Flew believed in evolution. So why do you keep bringing him up to support your Creationist position? Flew disagreed with you.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78292982


clappa

Yep. There are plenty of well-educated people, both god-fearing and atheist, that believe in evolution.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 77762685
Belgium
01/31/2020 12:56 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: What is the main reason so many do not believe in a Creator...and choose evolution?
...


Most scientists accept evolution because they will lose their jobs, funding and credibility if they dont.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77762685


Lol ok... So they're all just pretending? They don't really think the evidence supports evolution? You're delusional. You're pulling this claim straight out of your ass based on nothing.

As I thought, even though it's been explained to you over and over, you still don't know why scientists accept evolution. You don't have the attention span necessary to learn basic biology.

Just like Flew when he abandoned his ideas.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77762685


Flew didn't abandon evolution, retard. He was a deist, which means he didn't believe in your god. I've told you this multiple times, but it's like your brain is incapable of absorbing new information.

I mean your attitude towards this topic already clearly reflects the credibility part of my argument.

It is just a matter of time for you to change your mind when a new and trendy consensus comes along.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77762685


Another claim that you pulled out of your ass, based on nothing. Evolution theory has only grown stronger since it was created, and it's not going anywhere in our lifetimes.

My alternative theory is that either everything was created and yours is everything created itself.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77762685


You don't know what I believe, or what theory means, you dense fuck. Show me a test that demonstrates a snowflake is assembled by an intelligent creator.

The main difference is, when I point out lets say a feather and show you complexity, functionality and ingenuity, my explanation will start out with a mind/creator and yours will start out with 'nature/time/dont know/no creator' did it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77762685


Yeah, because nature and time are facts. Your religion is not. I try to explain the feather using evidence, you'll make ignorant assertions based on nothing at all. That's the real difference between us.
I'm describing complex biological processes, you're just asserting 'god done it.' That doesn't explain anything. Just like saying 'my parents made me' doesn't explain how reproduction actually works.

Again, you haven't retained anything about evolution, despite arguing about it constantly. You're too stupid to talk to. Stop wasting my time.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78292982



Flew stated that "the most impressive arguments for God’s existence are those that are supported by recent scientific discoveries" and that "the argument to Intelligent Design is enormously stronger than it was when I first met it". The argument of ID is that evidenced objects and physical concepts are either too simple or too complex to be simply natural, whichever of the two extremes one chooses to be the hallmark of design by an outside intelligence. He also answered in the affirmative to Habermas's question, "So of the major theistic arguments, such as the cosmological, teleological, moral, and ontological, the only really impressive ones that you take to be decisive are the scientific forms of teleology?". He supported the idea of an Aristotelian God with "the characteristics of power and also intelligence", stating that the evidence for it was stronger than ever before


But that's just a crazy old man in fear of death. You are the only source of wisdom here, we know.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77762685


Do you know what a deist is? Deists believe that god started the universe, but doesn't interact with it beyond that. Flew believed in evolution. So why do you keep bringing him up to support your Creationist position? Flew disagreed with you.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78292982


I see.

So god created the universe but nothing else.

Like a human filling a fishtank with water and then wait for the fish to magically appear/evolve/whatever, because 'life finds a way'.

starwars

[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]

Clearly this man has no clue as well.

Thank notgod for your wisdom and their stupidity.

So to be clear, did god start evolution or not? Or only the universe and then wait?

Cheers
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 76554726
United States
01/31/2020 01:01 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: What is the main reason so many do not believe in a Creator...and choose evolution?
Fear of judgement.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78343423


fear of logic??

Whoever fucked wuth humans dna is evil

our dna show multiple editing who are pure craft of evil.

start with vitamin C pathway

if our pathway wasnt disabed we would not suffer 80% of tge diseases and conditions we suffer


fuck you and your evil father time...aka saturn aka satan
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 78417268
01/31/2020 09:45 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: What is the main reason so many do not believe in a Creator...and choose evolution?
...


Lol ok... So they're all just pretending? They don't really think the evidence supports evolution? You're delusional. You're pulling this claim straight out of your ass based on nothing.

As I thought, even though it's been explained to you over and over, you still don't know why scientists accept evolution. You don't have the attention span necessary to learn basic biology.

...


Flew didn't abandon evolution, retard. He was a deist, which means he didn't believe in your god. I've told you this multiple times, but it's like your brain is incapable of absorbing new information.

...


Another claim that you pulled out of your ass, based on nothing. Evolution theory has only grown stronger since it was created, and it's not going anywhere in our lifetimes.

...


You don't know what I believe, or what theory means, you dense fuck. Show me a test that demonstrates a snowflake is assembled by an intelligent creator.

...


Yeah, because nature and time are facts. Your religion is not. I try to explain the feather using evidence, you'll make ignorant assertions based on nothing at all. That's the real difference between us.
I'm describing complex biological processes, you're just asserting 'god done it.' That doesn't explain anything. Just like saying 'my parents made me' doesn't explain how reproduction actually works.

Again, you haven't retained anything about evolution, despite arguing about it constantly. You're too stupid to talk to. Stop wasting my time.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78292982



Flew stated that "the most impressive arguments for God’s existence are those that are supported by recent scientific discoveries" and that "the argument to Intelligent Design is enormously stronger than it was when I first met it". The argument of ID is that evidenced objects and physical concepts are either too simple or too complex to be simply natural, whichever of the two extremes one chooses to be the hallmark of design by an outside intelligence. He also answered in the affirmative to Habermas's question, "So of the major theistic arguments, such as the cosmological, teleological, moral, and ontological, the only really impressive ones that you take to be decisive are the scientific forms of teleology?". He supported the idea of an Aristotelian God with "the characteristics of power and also intelligence", stating that the evidence for it was stronger than ever before


But that's just a crazy old man in fear of death. You are the only source of wisdom here, we know.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77762685


Do you know what a deist is? Deists believe that god started the universe, but doesn't interact with it beyond that. Flew believed in evolution. So why do you keep bringing him up to support your Creationist position? Flew disagreed with you.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78292982


I see.

So god created the universe but nothing else.

Like a human filling a fishtank with water and then wait for the fish to magically appear/evolve/whatever, because 'life finds a way'.

starwars

[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]

Clearly this man has no clue as well.

Thank notgod for your wisdom and their stupidity.

So to be clear, did god start evolution or not? Or only the universe and then wait?

Cheers
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77762685


You're comparing an entire universe, with a tank of water, which is stupid. A tank of water isn't full of black holes, and colossal nuclear reactors that condense matter into heavy elements.

Think about it, if God is omniscient, then he predetermined everything that would happen at the moment of creating the universe.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 77762685
Belgium
02/01/2020 11:38 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: What is the main reason so many do not believe in a Creator...and choose evolution?
...



Flew stated that "the most impressive arguments for God’s existence are those that are supported by recent scientific discoveries" and that "the argument to Intelligent Design is enormously stronger than it was when I first met it". The argument of ID is that evidenced objects and physical concepts are either too simple or too complex to be simply natural, whichever of the two extremes one chooses to be the hallmark of design by an outside intelligence. He also answered in the affirmative to Habermas's question, "So of the major theistic arguments, such as the cosmological, teleological, moral, and ontological, the only really impressive ones that you take to be decisive are the scientific forms of teleology?". He supported the idea of an Aristotelian God with "the characteristics of power and also intelligence", stating that the evidence for it was stronger than ever before


But that's just a crazy old man in fear of death. You are the only source of wisdom here, we know.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77762685


Do you know what a deist is? Deists believe that god started the universe, but doesn't interact with it beyond that. Flew believed in evolution. So why do you keep bringing him up to support your Creationist position? Flew disagreed with you.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78292982


I see.

So god created the universe but nothing else.

Like a human filling a fishtank with water and then wait for the fish to magically appear/evolve/whatever, because 'life finds a way'.

starwars

[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]

Clearly this man has no clue as well.

Thank notgod for your wisdom and their stupidity.

So to be clear, did god start evolution or not? Or only the universe and then wait?

Cheers
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77762685


You're comparing an entire universe, with a tank of water, which is stupid. A tank of water isn't full of black holes, and colossal nuclear reactors that condense matter into heavy elements.

Think about it, if God is omniscient, then he predetermined everything that would happen at the moment of creating the universe.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78417268


Well why not, a fish tank is less complex.

I don't think bringing in biological or cosmological factories is helping your case for evotardism to be a thing. Or let alone it being a god created evolution thing.

Again, so god created the universe and thats it, or also started the process of evolution, a bit like the opening scene of Prometheus?
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 78296683
United Kingdom
02/01/2020 11:49 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: What is the main reason so many do not believe in a Creator...and choose evolution?
Can it be said fairly that those who believe in evolution are "spiritual orphans"...with no Heavenly Father, and no hope for the future on this earth?
 Quoting: CelestialMaiden


Because the Bible creation story is simply not believable.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 78417268
02/01/2020 07:42 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: What is the main reason so many do not believe in a Creator...and choose evolution?
...


Do you know what a deist is? Deists believe that god started the universe, but doesn't interact with it beyond that. Flew believed in evolution. So why do you keep bringing him up to support your Creationist position? Flew disagreed with you.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78292982


I see.

So god created the universe but nothing else.

Like a human filling a fishtank with water and then wait for the fish to magically appear/evolve/whatever, because 'life finds a way'.

starwars

[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]

Clearly this man has no clue as well.

Thank notgod for your wisdom and their stupidity.

So to be clear, did god start evolution or not? Or only the universe and then wait?

Cheers
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77762685


You're comparing an entire universe, with a tank of water, which is stupid. A tank of water isn't full of black holes, and colossal nuclear reactors that condense matter into heavy elements.

Think about it, if God is omniscient, then he predetermined everything that would happen at the moment of creating the universe.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78417268


Well why not, a fish tank is less complex.

I don't think bringing in biological or cosmological factories is helping your case for evotardism to be a thing. Or let alone it being a god created evolution thing.

Again, so god created the universe and thats it, or also started the process of evolution, a bit like the opening scene of Prometheus?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77762685


Yes, a fish tank is less complex... that means it has LESS potential configurations and possibilities.
Despite what you think, the presence of 'cosmological and biological factories' does mean that there are far greater possibilities that can emerge as a result of the interaction of matter and energy within the system.

Have you ever heard of the game of life? Here it is:


This very simple system is capable of spontaneously forming complex structures, capable of movement, and self replication. If such a basic system can produce these things, imagine what the universe can produce given billions of years.

"Again, so god created the universe and thats it, or also started the process of evolution, a bit like the opening scene of Prometheus?"

You're still not getting it. I'm not talking about aliens coming to Earth and seeding life, I'm talking about a God that created the universe itself. If God is all knowing, and created the laws of nature/physics, then it logically follows that he predetermined everything that would occur. Get it?
ALL IS ONE IS ALL
I AM THAT I AM- KAN DAEK

User ID: 78350737
United States
02/01/2020 07:44 PM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: What is the main reason so many do not believe in a Creator...and choose evolution?
Can it be said fairly that those who believe in evolution are "spiritual orphans"...with no Heavenly Father, and no hope for the future on this earth?
 Quoting: CelestialMaiden


Mind evolves Celestial Maiden.. it works no other way.
Times they are a changing RAPIDLY... and its going to be harsh.. TIME TO REMOVE HEADS FROM SAND and you must do it quickly. The strong.. those who are the REMNANT are NOT the ones leaving... they are the ones who will rebuild.

HELL FIRE is a good thing... it means

HavingEverLastingLIFE... FieryIntelligenceReasonatingETERNALLY.

Now this is the age where people will remain copy cat followers who DO NOT REASON.. or they will begin finding the eternal Fiery intelligence... HELLFIRE IS THE FLAME OF THE FATHER THAT WILL IGNITE THIS WORLD INTO ETERNITY. You have been so FOOLED BELOVEDS.

The choice of remaining IGNORANT or growing your mind is before you. Growing your minds is eternal. Ignorance leads to dead ends.


111:1.6 (1217.1) Mind is the cosmic instrument on which the human will can play the discords of destruction, or upon which this same human will can bring forth the exquisite melodies of God identification and consequent eternal survival. The Adjuster bestowed upon man is, in the last analysis, impervious to evil and incapable of sin, but mortal mind can actually be twisted, distorted, and rendered evil and ugly by the sinful machinations of a perverse and self-seeking human will. Likewise can this mind be made noble, beautiful, true, and good—actually great—in accordance with the spirit-illuminated will of a God-knowing human being. [link to www.urantia.org (secure)]


Our Father, You who have dwelt within us in this incarnation, we give Thee thanks for Your perpetual presence and the continuous guidance of Your Light within, even in those times when we could not see or know. How we bless this our experience acknowledging that where we are now is a credit to the extent that we allowed you to manifest within and through our lives. We glorify in the sanctuary of our inner light as we take these last steps that will gain us entry into our new world. Be with us even and ever more that our inner awareness may assume a greater dimension of knowing and purpose as we transcend and transition into new grounds that will earn us and offer us opportunities to further bridge the divide between physical and spiritual. As we bid goodbye, we do so in love and gratitude and we look forward to creating spiritual sentiments going forward, that which last eternally. From AA Uriel
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 77762685
Belgium
02/08/2020 08:24 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: What is the main reason so many do not believe in a Creator...and choose evolution?
...


I see.

So god created the universe but nothing else.

Like a human filling a fishtank with water and then wait for the fish to magically appear/evolve/whatever, because 'life finds a way'.

starwars

[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]

Clearly this man has no clue as well.

Thank notgod for your wisdom and their stupidity.

So to be clear, did god start evolution or not? Or only the universe and then wait?

Cheers
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77762685


You're comparing an entire universe, with a tank of water, which is stupid. A tank of water isn't full of black holes, and colossal nuclear reactors that condense matter into heavy elements.

Think about it, if God is omniscient, then he predetermined everything that would happen at the moment of creating the universe.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78417268


Well why not, a fish tank is less complex.

I don't think bringing in biological or cosmological factories is helping your case for evotardism to be a thing. Or let alone it being a god created evolution thing.

Again, so god created the universe and thats it, or also started the process of evolution, a bit like the opening scene of Prometheus?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77762685


Yes, a fish tank is less complex... that means it has LESS potential configurations and possibilities.
Despite what you think, the presence of 'cosmological and biological factories' does mean that there are far greater possibilities that can emerge as a result of the interaction of matter and energy within the system.

Have you ever heard of the game of life? Here it is:


This very simple system is capable of spontaneously forming complex structures, capable of movement, and self replication. If such a basic system can produce these things, imagine what the universe can produce given billions of years.

"Again, so god created the universe and thats it, or also started the process of evolution, a bit like the opening scene of Prometheus?"

You're still not getting it. I'm not talking about aliens coming to Earth and seeding life, I'm talking about a God that created the universe itself. If God is all knowing, and created the laws of nature/physics, then it logically follows that he predetermined everything that would occur. Get it?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78417268


Just as likely as you flipping a coin 500 times and it lands heads everytime. You understand this, I don't and I am ok with that.

I'll take my chances with my own silly stupidity.

Your statements concerning god are very confusing, what did god create and what did god not create?





GLP