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I'm going to chime in as another lurker that appreciates everyone here. I've been off the forum for several years for a lot of reasons, but came back when the virus came along. I knew there was more info than what we were being told and this was the place to find it.

A few years ago, we had to leave Texas and come back to Ohio to care for parents. Of the 4, we have 1 left. Our kids are spread out in 2 other states. The forum is the best place to keep up with everything.

I don't post much.
This is a different place than it was 5 years ago, but there are so many good, new to me, people here still.

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Um. Does having AIDS protect you from bat AIDS?

I need to look into this further when I have time. Unless someone else wants to jump on and see if there's any validity when it comes to already established AIDS patients and CoV.

" In fact, despite there are many HIV infected patient and COVID 19 outbreak expands to cover a large area in Asia, there are few observations on infection among HIV infected patients. In our setting, Thailand, where the COVID 19 disease occurred after China, there is no case of infection among HIV infected patients despite there is an extremely high prevalence of HIV infection in this area."

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No testable....

I place bets that it goes straight for the CNS. Or recombinant hell.

Pick your poison.
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I've got two theories:

1. The HIV medication they are on is stopping replication of the virus (which we've seen it do in quite a few CoV cases that have been treated with HIV medication).

or

2. They actually have immunity because of the similarity between HIV and part of the CoV virus. Ironically, because both will kill you.
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Alrighty, I looked further into it. People in Africa with AIDS are still getting COVID while people in Thailand are not.

This might be more to do with treatment (I'm betting people in Thailand have better access to antiviral medication) than the virus itself. So, my theory is learning more towards #1 (the HIV meds help with COVID) rather than #2 (HIV acts as a vaccine for SARS-CoV-2).

"South Africa has the world’s highest rates of HIV and TB infection. To gauge their impact on COVID-19, scientists in South Africa’s Western Cape province analyzed outcomes for 12,987 patients with the disease. After adjusting for other risk factors, they found HIV increased a COVID-19 patient’s death risk by a factor of 2.75, and active TB by a factor of 2.58. (The study did not yield data for people who have both HIV and TB.)"

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Morning. I found this article interesting.

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New research from Karolinska Institutet and Karolinska University Hospital shows that many people with mild or asymptomatic COVID-19 demonstrate so-called T-cell-mediated immunity to the new coronavirus, even if they have not tested positively for antibodies. According to the researchers, this means that public immunity is probably higher than antibody tests suggest.
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Yes some pages ago i posted about my immunity theory being correct and this brings more truth to the situation.
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Morning. I found this article interesting.

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New research from Karolinska Institutet and Karolinska University Hospital shows that many people with mild or asymptomatic COVID-19 demonstrate so-called T-cell-mediated immunity to the new coronavirus, even if they have not tested positively for antibodies. According to the researchers, this means that public immunity is probably higher than antibody tests suggest.
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Yes some pages ago i posted about my immunity theory being correct and this brings more truth to the situation.
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Does the immunity work against the other 20 strains, though?
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Thanks Guythu for the news, I search further and found these 2 links below, we can say bye bye to Vaccine and Antibodies injections ....



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Japanese woman reinfected with coronavirus weeks after initial recovery



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Colorado woman tests positive for COVID-19 twice.
Less than two months after testing positive for COVID-19, and two negative tests, a Lafayette woman tested positive again.



Pakistan confirms first reinfection case of coronavirus

According to the Young Doctors Association (YDA), the reinfected patient is exhibiting more severe symptoms as compared to the previous symptoms of COVID-19, when the patient was first diagnosed.

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AC from Finland is right ... CA didn't do things nearly as well as they could/should have been done. We had very, very delayed and inadequate testing. We did lock down relatively early, and are reopening more slowly than some states, but a good deal of people didn't (and still don't) take the mask orders or stay at home orders seriously.

You'll also notice a huge difference between Northern and Southern CA, in terms of cases. Northern CA has been more compliant about obeying ordinances, which has helped. It's still far from perfect, but I do think the difference in behavior is pretty pronounced in terms of spread.

I've been mulling over the prion aspect of things, too. We know that research on prion diseases goes way back, and that some of them have been studied as weaponized agents over the years. (If you want to go down a rabbit hole, look into the theory that the cow mutilation phenomenon in the US was actually a secret operation to test for prion diseases, following their use in field tests during the Cold War. )

Some prion diseases were originally thought to be viruses, they spread so easily (for example, Scrapie and Wasting Diseases in deer) -- whereas other seem harder to spread, though coming into contact with infected tissue through the food chain will certainly do it. They were also once thought to be species specific, though not all of them are.

Really, this is the scenario that makes the most sense, if China really is afraid of the meat supply being contaminated.... and it's a very frightening thought. I'm going to continue to mull this over.
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Do the thread search .... we discussed the possibility :) and there’s tons back there.
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I haven't had much coffee, yet. But, I was like, didn't we discuss this at length long time back??? I'm not good with time anymore so I wasn't sure. It's all Blursday everyday for me.
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Welcome to page 9779 from a sunny, warm Moscow hf +25.1C outside and a few clouds. Got a line of thunderstorms approaching from the West rather rapidly but it's still far away.

Russia has a total of 647 849 infected according to the official numbers, which is 6693 more then yesterday. Of those 412 650 people have recovered and 9320 have perished.

Not much going on today, they are supposed to open up our new local train platform today. I'm going to be happy that three years of construction are finally over. Checked up on our town's oldest school, a lovely brick building. They are slowly covering it with some real ugly tiles that completely destroy that local, historical look. Otherwise not much going on in my life. Still working towards getting my butt to Norway. About one month left on my campaign.
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It is sad when beautiful old buildings are "fixed" entirely differently. Good luck on Norway!!
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I'm going to chime in as another lurker that appreciates everyone here. I've been off the forum for several years for a lot of reasons, but came back when the virus came along. I knew there was more info than what we were being told and this was the place to find it.

A few years ago, we had to leave Texas and come back to Ohio to care for parents. Of the 4, we have 1 left. Our kids are spread out in 2 other states. The forum is the best place to keep up with everything.

I don't post much.
This is a different place than it was 5 years ago, but there are so many good, new to me, people here still.

If you find things getting to heavy to handle, take a little break, but always remember the work you do here matters.

Thank you all.
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30 Jun - 04:26:02 PM [RTRS] - NEW YORK GOVERNOR ORDERS PEOPLE ARRIVING FROM EIGHT ADDITIONAL STATES TO QUARANTINE FOR 14 DAYS AMID CORONAVIRUS PANDEMIC

nobody wants to go there to get killed anyway.
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30 Jun - 04:26:02 PM [RTRS] - NEW YORK GOVERNOR ORDERS PEOPLE ARRIVING FROM EIGHT ADDITIONAL STATES TO QUARANTINE FOR 14 DAYS AMID CORONAVIRUS PANDEMIC

nobody wants to go there to get killed anyway.
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I find this ironic because many, many infected New Yorkers (city) fled lockdown and spread the love to other states. I have zero desire to go to NYC pre, during or post covid.

I feel for the people in NY outside of NYC that have to deal with tbe bullshit associated with the city.
People suck.
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30 Jun - 03:39:02 PM [RTRS] - NO GUARANTEE U.S. WILL HAVE A SAFE AND EFFECITVE VACCINE FOR COVID-19 - FAUCI AT SENATE HEARING
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I see a clean up, aisle 3 was in order. A couple turds got dropped last night.

Down the bowl they go.
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Unflushables.... unfortunately.... they will be back.

You are appreciated. Hugs and prayers.
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The Unflushables. Good movie title. chuckle

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RooterZ is reporting that:

Global COVID-19 Prevention trial of Hydroxychloroquine to resume

Jeez, is it beyond the wit of science to have a double-blind randomised trial of this well-known anti-viral theraputic WITH ZINC?!!! AND WITH Azithromycin?????

Please, Lord!

ps - search ebay for bromo-quine or cold tablets. They knew a thng or two back in the 1920's, 30's ... MUST be something in it.
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Thailand is covering up because they rely ever so heavily on tourism.
So never expect their numbers to rise above Chinas
Native Thai hate the rude and dirty Chinese
Thai will take their moneys
Lots and lots of middle class Chinese travel to Thailand

I assume a lot of people in Thailand have used the malaria drug

Thanks to the relevant postings. Great to see sone intriguing posts, thread slowed down a bit, enough for the lurkers to chime in. Now it seems evenly distributed reply’s.

Thanks for the polling thread, I still suspect lots of people have it, many Karen’s out there today. Nothing to joke about other people though.

The worst, are the ones suffering mentally but joke about other people suffering. They deserve a slap down, they get angry when u call them out.

Nasty people out in the world. To many judges, one of many reasons for great culling. I have always found the pointers, should point their finger at themselves. We had mental cases before Covid. Recipe for disaster. I do love the hypocrites.
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30 Jun - 05:16:09 PM [RTRS] - FAUCI SAYS NEW COVID-19 CASES COULD HIT 100K PER DAY, CONCERNED IT COULD GET 'VERY BAD' - SENATE HEARING

i hope they wont lock down. if we are lucky and nyc infection rate is only 15% we have a chance to see a 4%+ death rate (basically everywhere) if the healtcare completely breaks down.
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I see a clean up, aisle 3 was in order. A couple turds got dropped last night.

Down the bowl they go.
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Unflushables.... unfortunately.... they will be back.

You are appreciated. Hugs and prayers.
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The Unflushables. Good movie title. chuckle

Good morning, good afternoon, and good evening GLPeeps! hf
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Um. Does having AIDS protect you from bat AIDS?

I need to look into this further when I have time. Unless someone else wants to jump on and see if there's any validity when it comes to already established AIDS patients and CoV.

" In fact, despite there are many HIV infected patient and COVID 19 outbreak expands to cover a large area in Asia, there are few observations on infection among HIV infected patients. In our setting, Thailand, where the COVID 19 disease occurred after China, there is no case of infection among HIV infected patients despite there is an extremely high prevalence of HIV infection in this area."

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AIDS doesn't protect you; taking the cocktail of HIV/anti-viral meds is what protects you.

Prophylaxis at work.
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I see a clean up, aisle 3 was in order. A couple turds got dropped last night.

Down the bowl they go.
 Quoting: Lady Jayne Smith


Unflushables.... unfortunately.... they will be back.

You are appreciated. Hugs and prayers.
 Quoting: CleverCreator



The Unflushables. Good movie title. chuckle

Good morning, good afternoon, and good evening GLPeeps! hf
 Quoting: Serenity Now


hello!

It’s hazy here, in Mid-Iowa. And lazy to match it.

I am trying to do as I said and not run my cogs through six month scenarios... which is really hard! But I have my list ready for my July order, from Walmart, in a week. And Amazon subscribe and save is set to ship this week.

It’s frustrating not being able to shop local or go to the farmers market, this year. However, all I have to do is imagine my normal pneumonia times 10 and that’s enough to shift my thinking back to I appreciate my ability to stay home.

Need more snacks.

And Owl.... the immunity discussion is concerning. This isn’t like influenza... they are soooooo confusing the general public.
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RooterZ is reporting that:

Global COVID-19 Prevention trial of Hydroxychloroquine to resume

Jeez, is it beyond the wit of science to have a double-blind randomised trial of this well-known anti-viral theraputic WITH ZINC?!!! AND WITH Azithromycin?????

Please, Lord!

ps - search ebay for bromo-quine or cold tablets. They knew a thng or two back in the 1920's, 30's ... MUST be something in it.
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The Chinese Spanish flu did not have gain of function....

So while these therapies might help.... they will end up being recurring things until we run out. Or the virus goes full fuck your therapies and your brain.
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New swine flu found in pigs in China has ‘pandemic potential’ and it could infect humans

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A NEW strain of swine flu found in pigs in China has the potential to spread to humans and unleash another pandemic, researchers have warned.

It is feared the bug could mutate and spread easily from pigs to people, spreading through the human population, triggering a global outbreak like Covid-19.


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Experts from the Chinese Academy of Sciences say pigs are a "key intermediate host" or "mixing vessel" for viruses which could spread from wild animals into humans.

They are concerned about the latest strain, G4 EA H1N1, because it has "all the hallmarks" of being highly adapted to infect humans.

The researchers said there was some evidence suggesting it could already have infected people who worked in abattoirs and the swine industry in China.The scientists said: "All of this evidence indicates that G4 EA H1N1 virus is a growing problem in pig farms, and the widespread circulation of G4 viruses in pigs inevitably increases their exposure to humans."

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The worst, are the ones suffering mentally but joke about other people suffering. They deserve a slap down, they get angry when u call them out.

Nasty people out in the world. To many judges, one of many reasons for great culling. I have always found the pointers, should point their finger at themselves. We had mental cases before Covid. Recipe for disaster. I do love the hypocrites.
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Sweetie....

If you are going to take pot shots, I am going to bring the full DSM at you. Why? Because you are a passive aggressive twatwaffle.

Your attempts at invoking anger are lame and extremely pathetic. But I do love a good spar with an internet troll that thinks they have a chance in hell of getting me to “go off the rails”.

What? That’s all you got... say that I have a mental illness because I don’t put up with trolls or assholes. Or wait, say that I have no life because I am here so often.... which brings me back to....

You have no friends or real connections. And that is heartbreaking. If this weren’t a social distancing time, I would suggest you go to a library event ... here we have game nights and book clubs.

We even have book clubs at bars, in Iowa.... but once this disaster passes, you should try making some deeper connections. They will help you not be so mad at the things that you....

CAN’T FUCKING CONTROL !

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Carry on.....
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Had a chat with our local health official mostly from the viewpoint of gossip, learned that they opened up for everyone who wants it to be tested for the virus and its antibodies for free at our hospital. Pondering to get that antibody test. Would be nice to see if I got some immunity to this plague. I bet our official numbers wills tart growing from tomorrow. Just watch and see :)
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Treatment with the first corona drug remdesivir will cost $ 2,340


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A five-day treatment with the drug remdesivir will cost $ 2,340 (about $ 2,076). The CEO of Gilead, the producer of the drug, reports this in an open letter. The drug used to treat Covid-19 will be available in the U.S. from July.

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When it will be available in Europe, and how much it will cost us, is still unknown.

There was a lot of discussion about how much the drug would cost, after the US health authorities gave permission to use remdesivir in May. Clinical tests indicate that the drug improves survival for corona patients who need to be ventilated. Until now, Gilead had donated doses of the drug to the U.S. government, but it will be commercialized from July.

Normally Gilead takes into account the added value that a medicine has for society to determine the price. But to make the drug widely accessible, the company says it has chosen to charge a lot less than $ 12,000 - which the drug would normally cost - according to CEO Daniel O'Day.

6 ampules or 2,080 euros or 2,340 $

The price for governments - that is, for people insured through government - in developed countries was set at $ 390 (just over 266 euros) per ampoule. Based on current treatment patterns, the majority of patients require five days of treatment using six ampoules of remdesivir. That brings the price of a treatment to $ 2,340 (2,080 euros) per patient.

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BLOOD TEST AT COVID-19 DIAGNOSIS CAN PREDICT DISEASE SEVERITY, STUDY FINDS

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Had a chat with our local health official mostly from the viewpoint of gossip, learned that they opened up for everyone who wants it to be tested for the virus and its antibodies for free at our hospital. Pondering to get that antibody test. Would be nice to see if I got some immunity to this plague. I bet our official numbers wills tart growing from tomorrow. Just watch and see :)
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If and only if you mask and eye protection up.... but the antibody test are still extremely inaccurate.... there at least five papers in here.

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Sounds like more than a clue

COVID-19 outbreak at Oswego Co. apple slicing plant linked to outbreak 135 miles away

Many of the employees at Champlain Valley Specialty in the Town of Oswego, where 82 employees tested positive for coronavirus, live in Onondaga and Oneida Counties. Many employees at Keymark also live in Oneida County, revealing a possible clue about how the two clusters 135 miles away are linked.

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S. Dakota Gov. Noem says 'we will not be social distancing' at July 3 celebration with Trump at Mount Rushmore
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You get a covid19. You get a covid19.

You all get a covid19!

Sigh
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Treatment with the first corona drug remdesivir will cost $ 2,340


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A five-day treatment with the drug remdesivir will cost $ 2,340 (about $ 2,076). The CEO of Gilead, the producer of the drug, reports this in an open letter. The drug used to treat Covid-19 will be available in the U.S. from July.

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When it will be available in Europe, and how much it will cost us, is still unknown.

There was a lot of discussion about how much the drug would cost, after the US health authorities gave permission to use remdesivir in May. Clinical tests indicate that the drug improves survival for corona patients who need to be ventilated. Until now, Gilead had donated doses of the drug to the U.S. government, but it will be commercialized from July.

Normally Gilead takes into account the added value that a medicine has for society to determine the price. But to make the drug widely accessible, the company says it has chosen to charge a lot less than $ 12,000 - which the drug would normally cost - according to CEO Daniel O'Day.

6 ampules or 2,080 euros or 2,340 $

The price for governments - that is, for people insured through government - in developed countries was set at $ 390 (just over 266 euros) per ampoule. Based on current treatment patterns, the majority of patients require five days of treatment using six ampoules of remdesivir. That brings the price of a treatment to $ 2,340 (2,080 euros) per patient.

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$2,340....for a drug that really only reduces your avg recovery time from ~15 days to 11 or 12. Am I remembering that correctly?
The bad news is nothing lasts forever. The good news is nothing lasts forever.





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