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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 72299469  Netherlands01/18/2020 12:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | what if they were set up as independent funds that pay out to individuals based on level of automation? at first it pays little because robots aren't replacing people's work, which allows people to still have incentives to work for now as more automation occurs, the profits the robots generate go to filling the fund, benefiting humans and allowing them to actually live on the labor of robots, robots who will never get tired or feel used then there is more incentive to automate everything, which helps everyone get richer and since they are independent funds with different rules, they cannot control you the way a government can, if a fund has stupid rules they'll end up going bust anyway and the most important thing is the recipients of the fund can vote on the rules of the fund if the fund isn't working properly, or they can find another fund the best post in the thread and you all ignored it PEARLS BEFORE SWINE Yes. That old advice is not given without reason.  |
Tenty  User ID: 78347269  United States01/18/2020 12:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | serious question when was the last time you went out job hunting? I don't need to go job hunting. I have a job. But if I wanted another one, I could find one in less than a day. Learn a trade. Have some kind of skill. Otherwise, you are gonna be stuck cleaning shitty toilets. But it's still a job, so quit bitching. i am an auto mechanic who can't get a job in my field so im looking for any job, even one cleaning toilets can't find one I don't know where you live but every dealer within 10 miles of me is Hiring Auto Mechanics and as several other Repair Shops. So I would think this is BS. Tenty You Best Be On Lookout WWG1WGA |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 42079668 United States01/18/2020 12:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42079668 serious question when was the last time you went out job hunting? I don't need to go job hunting. I have a job. But if I wanted another one, I could find one in less than a day. Learn a trade. Have some kind of skill. Otherwise, you are gonna be stuck cleaning shitty toilets. But it's still a job, so quit bitching. i am an auto mechanic who can't get a job in my field so im looking for any job, even one cleaning toilets can't find one I don't know where you live but every dealer within 10 miles of me is Hiring Auto Mechanics and as several other Repair Shops. So I would think this is BS. where i live it's not the case |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 78359004  Australia01/18/2020 12:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Xeven User ID: 75948321 United States01/18/2020 12:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Only after the robots take over work. I reserve the right to declare my comments and posts as satire. Nothing I post should be considered or interpreted as advocacy for illegal activity. My comments are designed to inspire critical political thinking. I only mean half of what I say and only say half of what I mean. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 42079668 United States01/18/2020 12:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42079668 you said you were walking to get gas for your car i don't have a running car already you had a huge advantage over me i'm walking daily to get my groceries for my family and walking to apply for jobs So you're getting exercise and fresh air! Griping about how the world works won't do a damn thing for your situation. No one is going to care about your hopes and dreams but you, unless you're real lucky. Therefore care about yourself! Quit being a crappy boss and do something for yourself. I'm all out of pep talk. Its a shame. You have no idea what you could do if you wanted. i don't mind the exercise the point is starting a business with nothing and no car is impossible, period, end of story i've been applying for every job i can even walmart and mcdonalds, and can't get hired you can be all rainbows and sunshine but the fact is sometimes there isn't a way out of a situation without some type of external help It will come but only when you prove it won't be wasted. That proof is you thinking and doing all you can on your own. This Universe is just. It responds to our thoughts, actions and intent. It's not just rainbows and sunshine it's the whole glorious Universe! ok man now you are just babbling on what does the universe do for starving kids in third world countries? oh i guess they didn't do enough for themselves huh? so the universe doesn't care about them huh? |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 76720150 United States01/18/2020 12:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There are not enough jobs so politicians have a responsibility for the reality they created. And there is not a free market. It is rigged. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77761866 Its not a right Now, if for some reason one day in the future everything gets taken over by machines and there are no jobs to be had then ok, there would at that point have to be some form of income to people Other then that no, there are jobs for everyone that wants one, there's always going to be people who dont want to work or cant work |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 77331063 United States01/18/2020 12:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77331063 So you're getting exercise and fresh air! Griping about how the world works won't do a damn thing for your situation. No one is going to care about your hopes and dreams but you, unless you're real lucky. Therefore care about yourself! Quit being a crappy boss and do something for yourself. I'm all out of pep talk. Its a shame. You have no idea what you could do if you wanted. i don't mind the exercise the point is starting a business with nothing and no car is impossible, period, end of story i've been applying for every job i can even walmart and mcdonalds, and can't get hired you can be all rainbows and sunshine but the fact is sometimes there isn't a way out of a situation without some type of external help It will come but only when you prove it won't be wasted. That proof is you thinking and doing all you can on your own. This Universe is just. It responds to our thoughts, actions and intent. It's not just rainbows and sunshine it's the whole glorious Universe! ok man now you are just babbling on what does the universe do for starving kids in third world countries? oh i guess they didn't do enough for themselves huh? so the universe doesn't care about them huh? Good luck! |
| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 77761866  Sweden01/18/2020 12:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Well, it's an interesting problem, for sure. Quoting: Accidental Stoner 77022301 Automation or meaningful work for all? Seems to me having both at once may prove difficult.  ^^^ I agree and I'm conservative. Don't know that Basic Income is the solution, certainly its not a right. How can it be? To take from some and give to others by force? Still what are we to do if there are simply more people than jobs because the jobs are being done by robots, computers etc? Surely the extreme view of just letting people wither on the vine (survival of the fittest) is no solution either. Those people won't just go away, they will become a major problem if ignored. It is a right. This system with fake debt was created to keep us enslaved. A few years ago many here on GLP would understand that. They would have read David Ickes books about it. If the central bankers can help banks with trillions then they can help the poor. Man was meant to work. And work we should. Work provides the means to live like a proper human being, fostering pride and dignity in oneself, and in turn gets you respect and kudos from those around you. One of the deadly sins is slothfulness. Did you know that Karl Marx was an avid sloth? There is always a job for someone. Sometimes you need to swallow your pride and do what need to be done. Hmmm, pride. Did you know that is another deadly sin? Where pride is prevalent, one's downfall is right around the corner. You, sir or madam, should really try and examine your spiritual well being a bit more carefully. And by the way, I have read Icke's books, still have them in my library. Icke is a tool, much like Limbaugh is as well. They tell you half truths with smoke and mirrors. What Icke fails to understand is that spiritual progress can only exist in a society that values personal responsibility over collective coddling. You don´t think a family should take care of it´s own? The people are or should be the government. People can and will still work. But when robots are smart enough we will only work with what we enjoy. This false reality has been pulled over your eyes to blind you from the truth. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 42079668 United States01/18/2020 12:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There are not enough jobs so politicians have a responsibility for the reality they created. And there is not a free market. It is rigged. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77761866 No... The right is land that everyone should have and feed themselves from that. Govt is not my keeper. i'm fine with being given some land and being able to live like I want, hunting fishing etc problem is all the land is already owned, either by private folks or .......wait for it........THE GOVERNMENT |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 30852165 United States01/18/2020 12:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There are not enough jobs so politicians have a responsibility for the reality they created. And there is not a free market. It is rigged. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77761866 PLENTY of Jobs in New Jersey. And I mean EVERYWHERE. Maybe you just arent trying hard enough. And want to sit home and play video games all day and get paid to do that. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 42079668 United States01/18/2020 12:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42079668 i don't mind the exercise the point is starting a business with nothing and no car is impossible, period, end of story i've been applying for every job i can even walmart and mcdonalds, and can't get hired you can be all rainbows and sunshine but the fact is sometimes there isn't a way out of a situation without some type of external help It will come but only when you prove it won't be wasted. That proof is you thinking and doing all you can on your own. This Universe is just. It responds to our thoughts, actions and intent. It's not just rainbows and sunshine it's the whole glorious Universe! ok man now you are just babbling on what does the universe do for starving kids in third world countries? oh i guess they didn't do enough for themselves huh? so the universe doesn't care about them huh? Good luck!  what's the matter? i shot your universe bullshit down so now you leave? why give up so easily? |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 78280500 United States01/18/2020 12:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42079668 serious question when was the last time you went out job hunting? I don't need to go job hunting. I have a job. But if I wanted another one, I could find one in less than a day. Learn a trade. Have some kind of skill. Otherwise, you are gonna be stuck cleaning shitty toilets. But it's still a job, so quit bitching. i am an auto mechanic who can't get a job in my field so im looking for any job, even one cleaning toilets can't find one I don't know where you live but every dealer within 10 miles of me is Hiring Auto Mechanics and as several other Repair Shops. So I would think this is BS. If he was worth his weight he would advertise his services. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 42079668 United States01/18/2020 12:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There are not enough jobs so politicians have a responsibility for the reality they created. And there is not a free market. It is rigged. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77761866 PLENTY of Jobs in New Jersey. And I mean EVERYWHERE. Maybe you just arent trying hard enough. And want to sit home and play video games all day and get paid to do that. great idea lets all move to jersey!!! |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 77999315 United States01/18/2020 12:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 42079668 United States01/18/2020 12:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Irredeemable I don't need to go job hunting. I have a job. But if I wanted another one, I could find one in less than a day. Learn a trade. Have some kind of skill. Otherwise, you are gonna be stuck cleaning shitty toilets. But it's still a job, so quit bitching. i am an auto mechanic who can't get a job in my field so im looking for any job, even one cleaning toilets can't find one I don't know where you live but every dealer within 10 miles of me is Hiring Auto Mechanics and as several other Repair Shops. So I would think this is BS. If he was worth his weight he would advertise his services. i don't have a garage or a running car, live in a small apartment so what services can i advertise? |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 78359004 Australia01/18/2020 12:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | JuST WoRk!! anything you can do, a robot can do better, faster and for almost nothing a robot can pick more grapes than any human can, and because robots dont eat grapes, I'm gonna take the grapes robots will literally drive down the cost of everything and create wealth, but 99% of people in this thread still assume that wealth redistribution will be taken from humans which is unfair a robot doesn't care if you take its grapes |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 77331063 United States01/18/2020 12:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77331063 So you're getting exercise and fresh air! Griping about how the world works won't do a damn thing for your situation. No one is going to care about your hopes and dreams but you, unless you're real lucky. Therefore care about yourself! Quit being a crappy boss and do something for yourself. I'm all out of pep talk. Its a shame. You have no idea what you could do if you wanted. i don't mind the exercise the point is starting a business with nothing and no car is impossible, period, end of story i've been applying for every job i can even walmart and mcdonalds, and can't get hired you can be all rainbows and sunshine but the fact is sometimes there isn't a way out of a situation without some type of external help It will come but only when you prove it won't be wasted. That proof is you thinking and doing all you can on your own. This Universe is just. It responds to our thoughts, actions and intent. It's not just rainbows and sunshine it's the whole glorious Universe! ok man now you are just babbling on what does the universe do for starving kids in third world countries? oh i guess they didn't do enough for themselves huh? so the universe doesn't care about them huh? Are you doing anything for them? No? Then through you the Universe is doing nothing. Maybe if you were successful you could give money to charities that are doing something. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 76785567 United States01/18/2020 12:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| anwer User ID: 78355011  Egypt01/18/2020 12:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There are not enough jobs so politicians have a responsibility for the reality they created. And there is not a free market. It is rigged. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77761866  in all countries the dark side of the force be praised. I AM SORRY IF I DIDN'T Responded TO YOUR COMMENT THAT HAPPENS BECAUSE I HAD ENOUGH WITH ALL Bullshit, INSULT AND PHYSIOLOGICAL ATTACKS from MY ENEMIES |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 78299788 United States01/18/2020 12:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There are not enough jobs so politicians have a responsibility for the reality they created. And there is not a free market. It is rigged. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77761866 No! A human right is hunting for your food and being free. No one deserves a basic income. LOL! We are no longer giving out trophies to everyone. We now can say some people are losers and don’t get the reward. Go away loser. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 42079668 United States01/18/2020 12:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42079668 i don't mind the exercise the point is starting a business with nothing and no car is impossible, period, end of story i've been applying for every job i can even walmart and mcdonalds, and can't get hired you can be all rainbows and sunshine but the fact is sometimes there isn't a way out of a situation without some type of external help It will come but only when you prove it won't be wasted. That proof is you thinking and doing all you can on your own. This Universe is just. It responds to our thoughts, actions and intent. It's not just rainbows and sunshine it's the whole glorious Universe! ok man now you are just babbling on what does the universe do for starving kids in third world countries? oh i guess they didn't do enough for themselves huh? so the universe doesn't care about them huh? Are you doing anything for them? No? Then through you the Universe is doing nothing. Maybe if you were successful you could give money to charities that are doing something. I absolutely would give lots of money to charities if I was rich and successful. I would also pay good wages to my employees because i'm not a greedy fuck like Bezos. No one person needs billions of dollars. I wouldn't even take a million to myself, i'd pay myself like 100k a year and give the rest of my profits back to the employees and to charities. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 78359004 Australia01/18/2020 12:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It will already begin in a few years self driving cars and trucks will push truckers, taxi drivers, couriers, limousine drivers out of business first and they're also the least likely to find employment in any other field The future is coming faster than 99% of the people in this thread realise [link to www.popularmechanics.com (secure)] if you dont have UBI ready to absorb the waves of unemployment, you're going to have lots of problems UBI does not have to be structured the way the welfare system is |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 42079668 United States01/18/2020 12:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There are not enough jobs so politicians have a responsibility for the reality they created. And there is not a free market. It is rigged. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77761866 No! A human right is hunting for your food and being free. No one deserves a basic income. LOL! We are no longer giving out trophies to everyone. We now can say some people are losers and don’t get the reward. Go away loser. i would walk down to the park and kill one of the hundreds of ducks that hang out there, for a free dinner but the government says i can't do that |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 77331063 United States01/18/2020 12:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77331063 It will come but only when you prove it won't be wasted. That proof is you thinking and doing all you can on your own. This Universe is just. It responds to our thoughts, actions and intent. It's not just rainbows and sunshine it's the whole glorious Universe! ok man now you are just babbling on what does the universe do for starving kids in third world countries? oh i guess they didn't do enough for themselves huh? so the universe doesn't care about them huh? Are you doing anything for them? No? Then through you the Universe is doing nothing. Maybe if you were successful you could give money to charities that are doing something. I absolutely would give lots of money to charities if I was rich and successful. I would also pay good wages to my employees because i'm not a greedy fuck like Bezos. No one person needs billions of dollars. I wouldn't even take a million to myself, i'd pay myself like 100k a year and give the rest of my profits back to the employees and to charities. Make it happen! Lead by example! |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 42079668 United States01/18/2020 12:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42079668 ok man now you are just babbling on what does the universe do for starving kids in third world countries? oh i guess they didn't do enough for themselves huh? so the universe doesn't care about them huh? Are you doing anything for them? No? Then through you the Universe is doing nothing. Maybe if you were successful you could give money to charities that are doing something. I absolutely would give lots of money to charities if I was rich and successful. I would also pay good wages to my employees because i'm not a greedy fuck like Bezos. No one person needs billions of dollars. I wouldn't even take a million to myself, i'd pay myself like 100k a year and give the rest of my profits back to the employees and to charities. Make it happen! Lead by example! I would but i'm apparently too much of an idiot to be successful so i'm a failure in everything I try. Now i just live to survive because that's all i can do. I may not be a greedy shit head but i'm apparently also not smart enough to make my own successful business. |
