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I see where you are getting it BB.


And you are right, a Sophie's choice might be unavoidable, and it might actually happen.


I just hope that next week is going to be sobering enough for the governments to avoid getting us to the Sophie's choice point.


My voice is not singular. There are many who are saying the exact same thing as I do : "Do not get us past the point of no return".


I believe the governments are about to make a grave mistake, unless this is a carefully design plan, for an outcome I cannot, as a sane person, see it.


This is where I stand now : if we won't see a dramatic change in major governments public messaging, by the end of next week, from "we have to avoid lock-downs at all price" to "lock-downs are the last option, but we have to consider it"...I think that Europe will be past the point of no return by early November, and the U.S. by mid-November.


But I still want to keep my hope that by the end of next week, the governments will change their approach to lock-downs.

I do not think the governments will choose the right path. I have always said that.

I just hope they will.


Will see by next Saturday/Sunday.
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I really think they will let it run its course in the U.K.

And I am preparing for that situation while there is food in the shops,

The governments know the modelling!
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Real lock-downs have some other benefits. People are reluctant to use health resources so free up those medical staff. Accidents stop almost completely. No spread of other diseases.

When we look at it economically we are ignoring that much of our present activities are of no real value to the well being of people. With governments moved from the periphery of our lives to the center we impose great risk to ourselves from our dependency. A much better choice is to act as small communities to implement and maintain local lock-downs while attending to food, warmth and health. During Katrina some local communities did just this.
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Real lock-downs have some other benefits. People are reluctant to use health resources so free up those medical staff. Accidents stop almost completely. No spread of other diseases.

When we look at it economically we are ignoring that much of our present activities are of no real value to the well being of people. With governments moved from the periphery of our lives to the center we impose great risk to ourselves from our dependency. A much better choice is to act as small communities to implement and maintain local lock-downs while attending to food, warmth and health. During Katrina some local communities did just this.
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Very good points. The U.K. ambulance service had the lowest number of calls for 20 odd years during lockdown. Now back to all time highs!!!
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I have to say the growth in Italy is not exponential, at least not yet

And I think there will remain the big difference between Northern Italy and the rest of the country. Central and southern Italy, except some big city, are too mountainous and sparsely populated.
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Are you sure?

Coronavirus, in Puglia surrendered by the Order of Doctors: "Tracking haywire, only the lockdown can avoid a new Bergamo"

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Official numbers...cases...deaths...they do not match reality.

Hospitalizations and ICU cases do match reality, even if both are lagging behind cases.


In my last update, I talked about excess deaths.

Thankfully, we live in a world where technology shortens the time between gathering and releasing information. We no longer have to wait years before we know what happened.


Excess deaths, during a crisis, are the real picture. When you have a significantly higher number of deaths, during a crisis, the only logical explanation is that those excess deaths were caused by what or who is responsible for the crisis.


The current crisis is caused by a virus.


When we are facing excess deaths that are 10 times higher then the official number of deaths, it is obvious that we are FAR from detecting enough cases, we are FAR from detecting the contacts of those cases, so, we are FAR from containing this pandemic.


Actually, we are very close to completely lose whatever control we still have left over the spread of the virus.


The real numbers are staggering, and because any number I would post here is unbelievable for pretty much anyone, except few who really understand what is happening, I will paint a picture of how the official numbers will look in about 17-18 days from today, in Europe and the U.S.


We can expect Europe to double the number of official cases, and get to around to 300k daily cases, by November 4th.

We can expect the U.S. to have around 50% increase in daily cases by November 4th, to around 105k daily cases.


Europe is about to see what exponential really means. The U.S. won't be far behind.


I expect total loss of control over the pandemic in Europe by the end of this month, and in the U.S. by mid-November.


The real numbers are completely bonkers, many times higher then what official numbers are.



The only reason why I am still talking about the official numbers is because those are the numbers people are looking at.

If Europe hits 300k daily cases in the next 17-18 days, the pandemic will be out of control. If the real number of cases would be around the official number, the pandemic will be under total control.

However, those 300k cases, if reached by Nov.4th in Europe, will actually mean millions of daily cases...and this means that the pandemic is off charts and out of control.


We, in Europe, STILL have time to stop a raging pandemic. But time is running extremely short. I give Europe a maximum of 10 days to stop this, and the U.S. about 21 days.

Europe must enter a full lock-down no later then October 27th, and the U.S. no longer then November 7th. I am repeating what I have said in January, giving last possible dates to avoid a catastrophe.


These are short time predictions, because time is running short.



Let's see if next week is going to bring some reality check on the governments.


But don't hold your breath. They have already betting on the wrong horses.

I just hope that next week (which will make this week look good), will scare them enough to start realizing, before it is too late, that what they think it will work, it's not working.
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Good evening,

He has many followers in our forum, we wanted to know if he has predictions about Spain in particular, here everything is getting very bad again and there are many of us who follow him and we are posting everything he comments. If you want to know more about us, you just have to ask or do it by email, whatever you want. For once we hope that what he raises isn´t fulfilled, his future is very hard.

BR
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Wales to enter 17-day 'circuit break' lockdown, leaked letter reveals

The lockdown will take Wales "back to the situation in March", when businesses shut and people were told they must stay at home.


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Wales to enter 17-day 'circuit break' lockdown, leaked letter reveals

The lockdown will take Wales "back to the situation in March", when businesses shut and people were told they must stay at home.


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17 days ! How will that achieve anything. It will take 2-3 weeks to even start to see a levelling off and then it will take off again. Pointless politic play!

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Wales to enter 17-day 'circuit break' lockdown, leaked letter reveals

The lockdown will take Wales "back to the situation in March", when businesses shut and people were told they must stay at home.


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17 days ! How will that achieve anything. It will take 2-3 weeks to even start to see a levelling off and then it will take off again. Pointless politic play!

:UK Keep Calm Sma:
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Do you think they are just saying 17 days so people will go along with it and then extend when they see they have to?
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The lockdown will take Wales "back to the situation in March", when businesses shut and people were told they must stay at home.


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17 days ! How will that achieve anything. It will take 2-3 weeks to even start to see a levelling off and then it will take off again. Pointless politic play!

UK Keep Calm Sma
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Do you think they are just saying 17 days so people will go along with it and then extend when they see they have to?
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That’s what the states did. 2 weeks turned into 2 more weeks. I live in po dunk USA I think it will take people getting sick in every third house before these country folk think, oh hell
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Another GLPer that works in the healthcare field, cracked under the pressure of the pandemic.

I absolutely understand his position, humanely, but if people in the field of medical care are saying what Tarnished Halo and others before him are saying, we're fucked.


This is not about TH, or PK, or any other person in the medical field. It is not their fault that the pressure is stupidly high for them.

This is about the governments doing such a piss poor job, that even those who should save lives are no longer thinking straight, being under such stress.


Tarnished Halo post on main thread, on page 11195 :

After skimming through mindless arguments here's my 2 cents:

People are losing sight of the entire reason for lockdowns in the first place....to PREVENT OVERWHELMING OF THE HOSPITALS. Lockdowns are NOT to defeat the virus.

Now for my humble opinion. Lockdowns do not work. Period. As soon as they are lifted people act like they've been in prison for years and act like idiots. Thus the reason for spikes again after the lockdown is lifted. Even though I'm in the medical profession and will get my ass kicked, I'm ready to let it burn. Those who will take precautions will and those who won't, won't. I'll see some of the latter in the hospital, but it many are doing well with the treatments we have now.


Every single one of my friends and coworkers from 23-51 have survived and appear to be doing well. The first one was positive in late June and is fine. I have one friend who has it now and is doing good. The people I have personally cared for that died all had pre-existing conditions. every.single.one.

As far as "long haulers" I'll stick to my opinion that the virus triggers an autoimmune disease in people who are already predispositioned to have one. The symptoms are the same as others that are already known. I just wish I knew if they are being treated with the same known treatments for them.

I know this isn't a popular opinion, but it is what it is. Call it normalcy bias, burn out, whatever, but I'm so sick of this shit I could literally walk outside and scream until my throat bleeds. I'm tired of the arguing over masks, flu vs covid, lockdown, covid, politics, etc. I long for the days of the dumb ass chicken sandwich debate.

I'm prepped to the hilt and am prepared for what may come so don't think I'm throwing caution to the wind. As most of you know all of us are on the front lines and will continue to take precautions, but we will live in a healthy fear of this virus and continue to do things we enjoy using precautions.

Stay safe out there!
 Quoting: Tarnished Halo



I have bolded the phrases that for me, are extremely worrying.

I think a lot of people think the same way as TH, and I do not blame them. Can't ask anyone to think the way others think. Their opinion is their opinion, even if it's illogical.

Lock-downs are not only to prevent the overwhelming of hospitals. Lock-downs are mainly to slow down the pandemic, and it is the most substantial measure in this aspect.

All other measures, COMBINED, do not slow down the pandemic as much as lock-downs do.


TH is saying that lock-downs do not defeat the virus. In it self, a lock-down cannot defeat the virus. What defeats the virus is a vaccine, or herd immunity, or prophylactic treatments.

We are 9 months (after this virus existence was made public) into this pandemic. We got no vaccine. We got no prophylactic treatment. Heck, we don't even have a treatment for the symptoms. As for herd immunity, forget about it. It is a novel virus, we will have a vaccine before herd immunity.


So, what can we do to slow down the pandemic at maximum, so we can gain precious time for a vaccine, or a prophylactic or a treatment?

Well, best way to gain this precious time is lock-downs. So while the lock-downs do not defeat the virus, the TIME that lock-downs are giving us will HELP us defeat the virus.


Now, this is TH is saying next :

Now for my humble opinion. Lockdowns do not work. Period. As soon as they are lifted people act like they've been in prison for years and act like idiots.


I am sorry TH, but why do you say that lock-downs do not work...if PEOPLE act like idiots?

The problem is NOT the lock-downs...it is THE PEOPLE.


Moving on to next :

Even though I'm in the medical profession and will get my ass kicked, I'm ready to let it burn. Those who will take precautions will and those who won't, won't. I'll see some of the latter in the hospital, but it many are doing well with the treatments we have now.


This is the most worrying part.

Let is burn? And those who take precautions will, and those who won't won't?

This is, no offense intended, absolutely stupid, especially from a person working in the medical field.

If someone is taking ALL precautions in the world against the virus, HOW is this going to help that person if it is involved in a car accident but the ICUs are fucking full?

Or someone that have a hearth attack? Or ANYONE else that needs ICU, but he can't get in, because it is full of Covid-19 patients?


How exactly would "let it burn" help those who protect themselves from the virus, but still need medical care because of SOMETHING ELSE, but the virus?



This type of thinking is dangerous. Most people are unable to see the big picture, and inside the big picture, the small details.


Again, I understand TH and others. People are not robots, and we ALL crack if we are under enough pressure.


I just wanted only to point out that we are in a pandemic that didn't even started to really pressure us, and because of the stupid ass governments, we are now, just after NINE months of basically NOTHING in terms of this pandemic, on the brink of giving up, with many who already gave up.


I expected everything from the human race in 2020, from anti-maskers, to 5G idiots, to whatever stupid thing...but GIVING UP after nine months of nothing, was not on the list.


If we are here NOW...what the fuck will we do next month? Or the month after?


Man, this is worse then I could even imagine.

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One has to wonder if these same emotions/scenarios occurred in the midst of Spanish flu
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With no extra funds from central government then im not sure how they plan todo it.
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If we are here NOW...what the fuck will we do next month? Or the month after?


Man, this is worse then I could even imagine.
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Keep spirts high. I know idea how but you got to keep your chin up.

Its bad. Its real bad..
But at least mentally you will be prepared.

God knows what will happen to others when they see how bad it is.

Even freinds who i had long chats with at the start of this who knew hoe bad it was, have turned to "let it burn"
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DR, I had read that comment before and I thought it was from a very disgruntled person. But it reveals something that I have realized since this al started. and that is deeply worrying: most people crave their “normality” so badly that they are acting like junkies with withdrawal symptoms. As you correctly state, really few people is capable of looking at the big picture, and they just want their “life” back. They are completely unable to grasp that it is not possible and that insistence in it will only negate the possibility of ever gaining “normalcy” again. It’s really sad, because in such scenario, positive outcomes begin to be restricted to the miracle category.
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The lockdown will take Wales "back to the situation in March", when businesses shut and people were told they must stay at home.


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17 days ! How will that achieve anything. It will take 2-3 weeks to even start to see a levelling off and then it will take off again. Pointless politic play!

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Do you think they are just saying 17 days so people will go along with it and then extend when they see they have to?
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That’s what I’m thinking. Same occurred before in spring. If they were to say, “you’re locked down for 4 months” that won’t go well. It’s just baby steps, which are then met with less opposition.
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DR, I had read that comment before and I thought it was from a very disgruntled person. But it reveals something that I have realized since this al started. and that is deeply worrying: most people crave their “normality” so badly that they are acting like junkies with withdrawal symptoms. As you correctly state, really few people is capable of looking at the big picture, and they just want their “life” back. They are completely unable to grasp that it is not possible and that insistence in it will only negate the possibility of ever gaining “normalcy” again. It’s really sad, because in such scenario, positive outcomes begin to be restricted to the miracle category.
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Go back to DT’s thread and search normalcy bias. March and April..... I screamed until I was blue in the face......

Normalcy bias destroyed us. Normalcy destroys most large entities as a whole because the cogs don’t believe it either.....

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The second 2 has the chance to pivot, but took to long. At this next surge......once we get to 40% out sick .... nothing moves.
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DR, I had read that comment before and I thought it was from a very disgruntled person. But it reveals something that I have realized since this al started. and that is deeply worrying: most people crave their “normality” so badly that they are acting like junkies with withdrawal symptoms. As you correctly state, really few people is capable of looking at the big picture, and they just want their “life” back. They are completely unable to grasp that it is not possible and that insistence in it will only negate the possibility of ever gaining “normalcy” again. It’s really sad, because in such scenario, positive outcomes begin to be restricted to the miracle category.
 Quoting: Red Hot Chilean Pepe


The people you are referring to are ripe for accepting a vaccine. As we know it isn’t possible to have an effective vaccine this soon without proper trials etc.

People will soon be faced with the situation of; if you want to work? Or go about your life as before? You must take a vaccine. Regardless of the obvious dangers, many will happily accept this choice. This is one aspect of what was planned all along.

I also believe those in Control are playing this in a way to purposely stoke people emotions and anger and force them into protests. Which then turn to riots, leaving the only option to bring in army= martial law. This is another aspect that must be in place.
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DR, I had read that comment before and I thought it was from a very disgruntled person. But it reveals something that I have realized since this al started. and that is deeply worrying: most people crave their “normality” so badly that they are acting like junkies with withdrawal symptoms. As you correctly state, really few people is capable of looking at the big picture, and they just want their “life” back. They are completely unable to grasp that it is not possible and that insistence in it will only negate the possibility of ever gaining “normalcy” again. It’s really sad, because in such scenario, positive outcomes begin to be restricted to the miracle category.
 Quoting: Red Hot Chilean Pepe


Hope is not a plan.

TH is caught up in the role of being a good medical worker. Oh look another frustrated nurse. The hospitals will destroy her.

The hospitals cannot handle what is coming. The staff are burned out already. Supplies have been squandered. Medical workers are dying. Hospitals are big, big money and will replace the worker bee with another and keep the facade in check.

The sun tards need to talk to the virus tards because the weather changes are going to be severe and dominate events. The virus is going to become the background noise. This is GLP. A good prepper is ready for a combination of disasters.

Yes people are going to die. It's what we all do. Today's view is that the hospitals will do all they can to save your life, so will the government. The facade is cracking. Time for a major distraction and cut the spot light.
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DR, I had read that comment before and I thought it was from a very disgruntled person. But it reveals something that I have realized since this al started. and that is deeply worrying: most people crave their “normality” so badly that they are acting like junkies with withdrawal symptoms. As you correctly state, really few people is capable of looking at the big picture, and they just want their “life” back. They are completely unable to grasp that it is not possible and that insistence in it will only negate the possibility of ever gaining “normalcy” again. It’s really sad, because in such scenario, positive outcomes begin to be restricted to the miracle category.
 Quoting: Red Hot Chilean Pepe


i read TH's statement too. took it she was tired of the arguing back and forth over it all.think she is tired and frustrated. i can see that ,you work long hours and what for? outside of work,there really isn't much life for them as they are trying to stay healthy to keep working. very frustrating place.

i blame the govern for not informiing and educating ppl. here in the US, we have medical ppl that have no clue what a virus can do.many think it is a hoax against TRUMP. the CDC told us they sent notices way back early on to instruct the hospitals and medical staff how to prepare for this outbreak. the CDC again was incompetant.they even helped spread it by not taking precautions.TH is informed way more than other med personnel.

same thing with the cheap masks and how ppl wear them. they have no fear and no proper training to removing PPE. the MSM is too busy with the election and TRUMP attacks to do their job. the ppl was lied to by the CDC. what happens when they wake up to the reality?
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DR, I had read that comment before and I thought it was from a very disgruntled person. But it reveals something that I have realized since this al started. and that is deeply worrying: most people crave their “normality” so badly that they are acting like junkies with withdrawal symptoms. As you correctly state, really few people is capable of looking at the big picture, and they just want their “life” back. They are completely unable to grasp that it is not possible and that insistence in it will only negate the possibility of ever gaining “normalcy” again. It’s really sad, because in such scenario, positive outcomes begin to be restricted to the miracle category.
 Quoting: Red Hot Chilean Pepe


i read TH's statement too. took it she was tired of the arguing back and forth over it all.think she is tired and frustrated. i can see that ,you work long hours and what for? outside of work,there really isn't much life for them as they are trying to stay healthy to keep working. very frustrating place.

i blame the govern for not informiing and educating ppl. here in the US, we have medical ppl that have no clue what a virus can do.many think it is a hoax against TRUMP. the CDC told us they sent notices way back early on to instruct the hospitals and medical staff how to prepare for this outbreak. the CDC again was incompetant.they even helped spread it by not taking precautions.TH is informed way more than other med personnel.

same thing with the cheap masks and how ppl wear them. they have no fear and no proper training to removing PPE. the MSM is too busy with the election and TRUMP attacks to do their job. the ppl was lied to by the CDC. what happens when they wake up to the reality?
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Another GLPer that works in the healthcare field, cracked under the pressure of the pandemic.

I absolutely understand his position, humanely, but if people in the field of medical care are saying what Tarnished Halo and others before him are saying, we're fucked.


This is not about TH, or PK, or any other person in the medical field. It is not their fault that the pressure is stupidly high for them.

This is about the governments doing such a piss poor job, that even those who should save lives are no longer thinking straight, being under such stress.


Tarnished Halo post on main thread, on page 11195 :

After skimming through mindless arguments here's my 2 cents:

People are losing sight of the entire reason for lockdowns in the first place....to PREVENT OVERWHELMING OF THE HOSPITALS. Lockdowns are NOT to defeat the virus.

Now for my humble opinion. Lockdowns do not work. Period. As soon as they are lifted people act like they've been in prison for years and act like idiots. Thus the reason for spikes again after the lockdown is lifted. Even though I'm in the medical profession and will get my ass kicked, I'm ready to let it burn. Those who will take precautions will and those who won't, won't. I'll see some of the latter in the hospital, but it many are doing well with the treatments we have now.


Every single one of my friends and coworkers from 23-51 have survived and appear to be doing well. The first one was positive in late June and is fine. I have one friend who has it now and is doing good. The people I have personally cared for that died all had pre-existing conditions. every.single.one.

As far as "long haulers" I'll stick to my opinion that the virus triggers an autoimmune disease in people who are already predispositioned to have one. The symptoms are the same as others that are already known. I just wish I knew if they are being treated with the same known treatments for them.

I know this isn't a popular opinion, but it is what it is. Call it normalcy bias, burn out, whatever, but I'm so sick of this shit I could literally walk outside and scream until my throat bleeds. I'm tired of the arguing over masks, flu vs covid, lockdown, covid, politics, etc. I long for the days of the dumb ass chicken sandwich debate.

I'm prepped to the hilt and am prepared for what may come so don't think I'm throwing caution to the wind. As most of you know all of us are on the front lines and will continue to take precautions, but we will live in a healthy fear of this virus and continue to do things we enjoy using precautions.

Stay safe out there!
 Quoting: Tarnished Halo



I have bolded the phrases that for me, are extremely worrying.

I think a lot of people think the same way as TH, and I do not blame them. Can't ask anyone to think the way others think. Their opinion is their opinion, even if it's illogical.

Lock-downs are not only to prevent the overwhelming of hospitals. Lock-downs are mainly to slow down the pandemic, and it is the most substantial measure in this aspect.

All other measures, COMBINED, do not slow down the pandemic as much as lock-downs do.


TH is saying that lock-downs do not defeat the virus. In it self, a lock-down cannot defeat the virus. What defeats the virus is a vaccine, or herd immunity, or prophylactic treatments.

We are 9 months (after this virus existence was made public) into this pandemic. We got no vaccine. We got no prophylactic treatment. Heck, we don't even have a treatment for the symptoms. As for herd immunity, forget about it. It is a novel virus, we will have a vaccine before herd immunity.


So, what can we do to slow down the pandemic at maximum, so we can gain precious time for a vaccine, or a prophylactic or a treatment?

Well, best way to gain this precious time is lock-downs. So while the lock-downs do not defeat the virus, the TIME that lock-downs are giving us will HELP us defeat the virus.


Now, this is TH is saying next :

Now for my humble opinion. Lockdowns do not work. Period. As soon as they are lifted people act like they've been in prison for years and act like idiots.


I am sorry TH, but why do you say that lock-downs do not work...if PEOPLE act like idiots?

The problem is NOT the lock-downs...it is THE PEOPLE.


Moving on to next :

Even though I'm in the medical profession and will get my ass kicked, I'm ready to let it burn. Those who will take precautions will and those who won't, won't. I'll see some of the latter in the hospital, but it many are doing well with the treatments we have now.


This is the most worrying part.

Let is burn? And those who take precautions will, and those who won't won't?

This is, no offense intended, absolutely stupid, especially from a person working in the medical field.

If someone is taking ALL precautions in the world against the virus, HOW is this going to help that person if it is involved in a car accident but the ICUs are fucking full?

Or someone that have a hearth attack? Or ANYONE else that needs ICU, but he can't get in, because it is full of Covid-19 patients?


How exactly would "let it burn" help those who protect themselves from the virus, but still need medical care because of SOMETHING ELSE, but the virus?



This type of thinking is dangerous. Most people are unable to see the big picture, and inside the big picture, the small details.


Again, I understand TH and others. People are not robots, and we ALL crack if we are under enough pressure.


I just wanted only to point out that we are in a pandemic that didn't even started to really pressure us, and because of the stupid ass governments, we are now, just after NINE months of basically NOTHING in terms of this pandemic, on the brink of giving up, with many who already gave up.


I expected everything from the human race in 2020, from anti-maskers, to 5G idiots, to whatever stupid thing...but GIVING UP after nine months of nothing, was not on the list.


If we are here NOW...what the fuck will we do next month? Or the month after?


Man, this is worse then I could even imagine.
 Quoting: deplorable recollector


I am afraid as a society we are screwed. Take my place of employment as an example, company has policies in place, social distance, wear masks, wash hands ect. Nobody, I mean nobody is following these policies and the company is doing nothing to enforce them. People just do what they want. Their opinion is masks don't work, we are all going to catch it, so what difference does it make. I believe that is is the opinion of society as a whole and this thinking is going to doom us. I have been following your thread since the beginning and I just want to say thank you for your work. I have always been a prepper, but following this thread has kicked it into overdrive. This winter is going to be very very bad. May God have mercy on us.
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Another GLPer that works in the healthcare field, cracked under the pressure of the pandemic.

I absolutely understand his position, humanely, but if people in the field of medical care are saying what Tarnished Halo and others before him are saying, we're fucked.


This is not about TH, or PK, or any other person in the medical field. It is not their fault that the pressure is stupidly high for them.

This is about the governments doing such a piss poor job, that even those who should save lives are no longer thinking straight, being under such stress.


Tarnished Halo post on main thread, on page 11195 :

After skimming through mindless arguments here's my 2 cents:

People are losing sight of the entire reason for lockdowns in the first place....to PREVENT OVERWHELMING OF THE HOSPITALS. Lockdowns are NOT to defeat the virus.

Now for my humble opinion. Lockdowns do not work. Period. As soon as they are lifted people act like they've been in prison for years and act like idiots. Thus the reason for spikes again after the lockdown is lifted. Even though I'm in the medical profession and will get my ass kicked, I'm ready to let it burn. Those who will take precautions will and those who won't, won't. I'll see some of the latter in the hospital, but it many are doing well with the treatments we have now.


Every single one of my friends and coworkers from 23-51 have survived and appear to be doing well. The first one was positive in late June and is fine. I have one friend who has it now and is doing good. The people I have personally cared for that died all had pre-existing conditions. every.single.one.

As far as "long haulers" I'll stick to my opinion that the virus triggers an autoimmune disease in people who are already predispositioned to have one. The symptoms are the same as others that are already known. I just wish I knew if they are being treated with the same known treatments for them.

I know this isn't a popular opinion, but it is what it is. Call it normalcy bias, burn out, whatever, but I'm so sick of this shit I could literally walk outside and scream until my throat bleeds. I'm tired of the arguing over masks, flu vs covid, lockdown, covid, politics, etc. I long for the days of the dumb ass chicken sandwich debate.

I'm prepped to the hilt and am prepared for what may come so don't think I'm throwing caution to the wind. As most of you know all of us are on the front lines and will continue to take precautions, but we will live in a healthy fear of this virus and continue to do things we enjoy using precautions.

Stay safe out there!
 Quoting: Tarnished Halo



I have bolded the phrases that for me, are extremely worrying.

I think a lot of people think the same way as TH, and I do not blame them. Can't ask anyone to think the way others think. Their opinion is their opinion, even if it's illogical.

Lock-downs are not only to prevent the overwhelming of hospitals. Lock-downs are mainly to slow down the pandemic, and it is the most substantial measure in this aspect.

All other measures, COMBINED, do not slow down the pandemic as much as lock-downs do.


TH is saying that lock-downs do not defeat the virus. In it self, a lock-down cannot defeat the virus. What defeats the virus is a vaccine, or herd immunity, or prophylactic treatments.

We are 9 months (after this virus existence was made public) into this pandemic. We got no vaccine. We got no prophylactic treatment. Heck, we don't even have a treatment for the symptoms. As for herd immunity, forget about it. It is a novel virus, we will have a vaccine before herd immunity.


So, what can we do to slow down the pandemic at maximum, so we can gain precious time for a vaccine, or a prophylactic or a treatment?

Well, best way to gain this precious time is lock-downs. So while the lock-downs do not defeat the virus, the TIME that lock-downs are giving us will HELP us defeat the virus.


Now, this is TH is saying next :

Now for my humble opinion. Lockdowns do not work. Period. As soon as they are lifted people act like they've been in prison for years and act like idiots.


I am sorry TH, but why do you say that lock-downs do not work...if PEOPLE act like idiots?

The problem is NOT the lock-downs...it is THE PEOPLE.


Moving on to next :

Even though I'm in the medical profession and will get my ass kicked, I'm ready to let it burn. Those who will take precautions will and those who won't, won't. I'll see some of the latter in the hospital, but it many are doing well with the treatments we have now.


This is the most worrying part.

Let is burn? And those who take precautions will, and those who won't won't?

This is, no offense intended, absolutely stupid, especially from a person working in the medical field.

If someone is taking ALL precautions in the world against the virus, HOW is this going to help that person if it is involved in a car accident but the ICUs are fucking full?

Or someone that have a hearth attack? Or ANYONE else that needs ICU, but he can't get in, because it is full of Covid-19 patients?


How exactly would "let it burn" help those who protect themselves from the virus, but still need medical care because of SOMETHING ELSE, but the virus?



This type of thinking is dangerous. Most people are unable to see the big picture, and inside the big picture, the small details.


Again, I understand TH and others. People are not robots, and we ALL crack if we are under enough pressure.


I just wanted only to point out that we are in a pandemic that didn't even started to really pressure us, and because of the stupid ass governments, we are now, just after NINE months of basically NOTHING in terms of this pandemic, on the brink of giving up, with many who already gave up.


I expected everything from the human race in 2020, from anti-maskers, to 5G idiots, to whatever stupid thing...but GIVING UP after nine months of nothing, was not on the list.


If we are here NOW...what the fuck will we do next month? Or the month after?


Man, this is worse then I could even imagine.
 Quoting: deplorable recollector


Everyone has their point of “team virus”.
The important part is not fully losing hope.
Eventually having reflection and realization.
Only then can we be at peace.

But ultimately it will take each of us contributing what we can to help others.
Working together.

We (generally speaking) probably need a bit more of an ass kicking by the virus before we are able to strengthen our resolve and come together.

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Yah. I am so there.

If folks won’t use PPE properly and that’s not totally their fault or stay back ..... I won’t participate.

I will offer kindness and ideas for mental and physical coping skills via some of these threads but other than that.....

I think this is sooooo big that most never get to that work together moment because by then.... they are the victims too.

#teamvirus
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11k cases on Sunday, that's not good.
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Welcome to the new era-DOOM ERA.

Thread: PHASES OF A PANDEMIC OUTBREAK (Page 6)

now u know why the virus was being made and what the governments' of the world goal is. it is not to save U.
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Welcome to the new era-DOOM ERA.

Thread: PHASES OF A PANDEMIC OUTBREAK (Page 6)

now u know why the virus was being made and what the governments' of the world goal is. it is not to save U.
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So how bad do you think it will get on a population reduction level J!
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Showing spain dropping in hospital cases hmmmm
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Here we go again, today two doctors died from COVID
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Looks like ireland back in level 5 lockdown tomorrow for 3 to 4 weeks and reassess then.5km radius, eviction ban, covid social welfare benefits and re-jigging of 'social bubbles to support elderly/vulnerable/isolated people, etc.
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If we are here NOW...what the fuck will we do next month? Or the month after?


Man, this is worse then I could even imagine.
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Keep spirts high. I know idea how but you got to keep your chin up.

Its bad. Its real bad..
But at least mentally you will be prepared.

God knows what will happen to others when they see how bad it is.

Even freinds who i had long chats with at the start of this who knew hoe bad it was, have turned to "let it burn"
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Let it burn is pretty much the theme for this quarter. I know my son feels this way. The young ones represent this idea.
Empathy is gone.

I have to keep reminding him that this is far from over. Just the beginning. My biggest concern is your theory DR. If this virus figures out how to work on the healthy and the young, we are finished.





GLP