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More and more people are thinking that the 'let it run' route is the way forward. It seems that the option of controls and lockdowns is just too much for most people to cope with.

Years of lockdowns just to see them followed by spikes until we get to 'herd immunity' or a 'good mutation' or a 'vaccine' feels like a long drawn out process.

Is this not just another human coronavirus like 229E or HKU1 that will be here for all time? It is not going anywhere is it? I wonder what affect 229E had when it first arrived on this planet?

Most of us are following the guidance and doing our best. But in the long run its up to the governments to choose the path they want and they know the models and the predictions as well as we do.

Prepare for the worse and hope for the best and....

UK Keep Calm Sma

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The Italian PM conte says today: Italy can't afford a new lockdown, it would severely compromise the economy.
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More and more people are thinking that the 'let it run' route is the way forward. It seems that the option of controls and lockdowns is just too much for most people to cope with.

Years of lockdowns just to see them followed by spikes until we get to 'herd immunity' or a 'good mutation' or a 'vaccine' feels like a long drawn out process.

Is this not just another human coronavirus like 229E or HKU1 that will be here for all time? It is not going anywhere is it? I wonder what affect 229E had when it first arrived on this planet?

Most of us are following the guidance and doing our best. But in the long run its up to the governments to choose the path they want and they know the models and the predictions as well as we do.

Prepare for the worse and hope for the best and....

UK Keep Calm Sma
 Quoting: ParamedicUK


Yes so many see it as let it run..
But thats Becuase they never seen death piled on the street.
The low deaths in march they see as northing.
Only over 65 die blah blah blah.

The people are the problem.
Now what ever it is, maybe asia countrys are fiddling the figures, hiding it from the world.

But they look like they doing a hell of a lot better then the west.
I got contacts all over asia amd they confirm life is pretty normal.

Yes small selection of people to judge a whole area but none the less more life than the uk/eu has.
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Wales to enter 17-day 'circuit break' lockdown, leaked letter reveals

The lockdown will take Wales "back to the situation in March", when businesses shut and people were told they must stay at home.


[link to news.sky.com (secure)]
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17 days ! How will that achieve anything. It will take 2-3 weeks to even start to see a levelling off and then it will take off again. Pointless politic play!

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Don't be so negative.

It's not pointless at all. It's a start, and as they will observe there are results, they will be encouraged to take the next step for real, which is a longer term lockdown.

I even think interrupting long term lockdowns for a couple or a few days although it will result in a temporary slowing down of a the decrease, it will be like taking a deep breath and allow people to catch up with things, prep, etc.
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Wales to enter 17-day 'circuit break' lockdown, leaked letter reveals

The lockdown will take Wales "back to the situation in March", when businesses shut and people were told they must stay at home.


[link to news.sky.com (secure)]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77757237


17 days ! How will that achieve anything. It will take 2-3 weeks to even start to see a levelling off and then it will take off again. Pointless politic play!

UK Keep Calm Sma
 Quoting: ParamedicUK

Don't be so negative.

It's not pointless at all. It's a start, and as they will observe there are results, they will be encouraged to take the next step for real, which is a longer term lockdown.

I even think interrupting long term lockdowns for a couple or a few days although it will result in a temporary slowing down of a the decrease, it will be like taking a deep breath and allow people to catch up with things, prep, etc.
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He isn’t being negative.

Reality isn’t for everyone.
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The Italian PM conte says today: Italy can't afford a new lockdown, it would severely compromise the economy.
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He doesn't realize this is a problem all countries have to face. Italy is not alone in this and would not be particularly disadvantaged compared to other countries.
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Wales to enter 17-day 'circuit break' lockdown, leaked letter reveals

The lockdown will take Wales "back to the situation in March", when businesses shut and people were told they must stay at home.


[link to news.sky.com (secure)]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77757237


17 days ! How will that achieve anything. It will take 2-3 weeks to even start to see a levelling off and then it will take off again. Pointless politic play!

:UK Keep Calm Sma:
 Quoting: ParamedicUK

Don't be so negative.

It's not pointless at all. It's a start, and as they will observe there are results, they will be encouraged to take the next step for real, which is a longer term lockdown.

I even think interrupting long term lockdowns for a couple or a few days although it will result in a temporary slowing down of a the decrease, it will be like taking a deep breath and allow people to catch up with things, prep, etc.
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He isn’t being negative.

Reality isn’t for everyone.
 Quoting: CleverCreator

And your point is?
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Wales to enter 17-day 'circuit break' lockdown, leaked letter reveals

The lockdown will take Wales "back to the situation in March", when businesses shut and people were told they must stay at home.


[link to news.sky.com (secure)]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77757237


17 days ! How will that achieve anything. It will take 2-3 weeks to even start to see a levelling off and then it will take off again. Pointless politic play!

:UK Keep Calm Sma:
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Do you think they are just saying 17 days so people will go along with it and then extend when they see they have to?
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That’s what I’m thinking. Same occurred before in spring. If they were to say, “you’re locked down for 4 months” that won’t go well. It’s just baby steps, which are then met with less opposition.
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If we can't escape long terms lockdowns... then that's the way to go. It's the diplomatic way.
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Wales to enter 17-day 'circuit break' lockdown, leaked letter reveals

The lockdown will take Wales "back to the situation in March", when businesses shut and people were told they must stay at home.


[link to news.sky.com (secure)]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77757237


17 days ! How will that achieve anything. It will take 2-3 weeks to even start to see a levelling off and then it will take off again. Pointless politic play!

:UK Keep Calm Sma:
 Quoting: ParamedicUK


Do you think they are just saying 17 days so people will go along with it and then extend when they see they have to?
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That’s what the states did. 2 weeks turned into 2 more weeks. I live in po dunk USA I think it will take people getting sick in every third house before these country folk think, oh hell
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It's "Podunk". I hate it when I see people continuously maiming and disfiguring your language in this forum.
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17 days ! How will that achieve anything. It will take 2-3 weeks to even start to see a levelling off and then it will take off again. Pointless politic play!

UK Keep Calm Sma
 Quoting: ParamedicUK


Do you think they are just saying 17 days so people will go along with it and then extend when they see they have to?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78614390


That’s what the states did. 2 weeks turned into 2 more weeks. I live in po dunk USA I think it will take people getting sick in every third house before these country folk think, oh hell
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It's "Podunk". I hate it when I see people continuously maiming and disfiguring your language in this forum.
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You modunk lost your mind.

DR.....this might be ours from over yonder. Sorry. Just clean house. Words like this are not needed.
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Another GLPer that works in the healthcare field, cracked under the pressure of the pandemic.

I absolutely understand his position, humanely, but if people in the field of medical care are saying what Tarnished Halo and others before him are saying, we're fucked.


This is not about TH, or PK, or any other person in the medical field. It is not their fault that the pressure is stupidly high for them.

This is about the governments doing such a piss poor job, that even those who should save lives are no longer thinking straight, being under such stress.


Tarnished Halo post on main thread, on page 11195 :

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What thread is that? Can you please link to it?
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Do you think they are just saying 17 days so people will go along with it and then extend when they see they have to?
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That’s what the states did. 2 weeks turned into 2 more weeks. I live in po dunk USA I think it will take people getting sick in every third house before these country folk think, oh hell
 Quoting: miabelieves

It's "Podunk". I hate it when I see people continuously maiming and disfiguring your language in this forum.
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You modunk lost your mind.

DR.....this might be ours from over yonder. Sorry. Just clean house. Words like this are not needed.
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No, I did not lose my mind. You are just taking your ability for wit too much for granted.
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Another GLPer that works in the healthcare field, cracked under the pressure of the pandemic.

I absolutely understand his position, humanely, but if people in the field of medical care are saying what Tarnished Halo and others before him are saying, we're fucked.


This is not about TH, or PK, or any other person in the medical field. It is not their fault that the pressure is stupidly high for them.

This is about the governments doing such a piss poor job, that even those who should save lives are no longer thinking straight, being under such stress.


Tarnished Halo post on main thread, on page 11195 :

 Quoting: Tarnished Halo



 Quoting: deplorable recollector

What thread is that? Can you please link to it?
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You can use the search function.

Good luck.
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I am preparing an update for Thursday, with a list of countries in Europe that based on my calculations, lost the control of the epidemic already, or are very close to lose it.


I am also trying to determine if the lock-downs are really off the table, or it's just that Europe is waiting for the U.S. elections results, before deciding in favor or against lock-downs.

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The Welsh lockdown is confirmed.

Welsh FM Mark Drakeford has announced Wales will go into a national lockdown from Friday until 9th November. All will be told to stay at home while pubs, restaurants and non-essential shops will shut.
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I am preparing an update for Thursday, with a list of countries in Europe that based on my calculations, lost the control of the epidemic already, or are very close to lose it.


I am also trying to determine if the lock-downs are really off the table, or it's just that Europe is waiting for the U.S. elections results, before deciding in favor or against lock-downs.
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Ump bump
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siren2

The Welsh lockdown is confirmed.

Welsh FM Mark Drakeford has announced Wales will go into a national lockdown from Friday until 9th November. All will be told to stay at home while pubs, restaurants and non-essential shops will shut.

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siren2

"Our critical care units are already full", warns the First Minister.

Schooling affected too. Ages 13/14 and above are included and must stay at home until the lockdown is over.
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I am preparing an update for Thursday, with a list of countries in Europe that based on my calculations, lost the control of the epidemic already, or are very close to lose it.


I am also trying to determine if the lock-downs are really off the table, or it's just that Europe is waiting for the U.S. elections results, before deciding in favor or against lock-downs.
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Look forward to it.

Wonder if wales locking down will it push others todo the same
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Lil still not a single US Hospital “overwhelmed”. Opee, can you splain yerself? 99% recovery rate....

You sychphants that believe this guy need to wake the fuck up- he is part of the payop and is likely getting paid by the WHO or One of Fauci’s companies....
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Little dickhead.


There were hundreds of hospitals with full ICUs in the U.S. during the summer peak.

And there will be thousands in the winter peak.


Go back to your rat cave.

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I am preparing an update for Thursday, with a list of countries in Europe that based on my calculations, lost the control of the epidemic already, or are very close to lose it.


I am also trying to determine if the lock-downs are really off the table, or it's just that Europe is waiting for the U.S. elections results, before deciding in favor or against lock-downs.
 Quoting: deplorable recollector


Look forward to it.

Wonder if wales locking down will it push others todo the same
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I don't see why Wales lock-down is relevant. We're talking a very small population size.


Doesn't matter what such small entities do or don't.
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I am preparing an update for Thursday, with a list of countries in Europe that based on my calculations, lost the control of the epidemic already, or are very close to lose it.
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Don't forget Slovenia. You can find stats here: [link to covid-19.sledilnik.org (secure)]

Yesterday on sunday we had 20.4% positivity ... not good.
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UPDATES FROM ITALY

+ 9.338 new positive cases

98.862 swab tests (50.000 less tests than yesterday).
[9.44% positive cases based on today tests]


+ 73 patients dead


+ 546 patients hospitalized
[new total: 7.676 patients currently hospitalized]


+ 47 ICU
[new total: 797 patients currently in ICU]


+ 1.498 recovered patients


Source:
[ [link to www.ansa.it (secure)]

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Ireland's government is considering going back into a full national lockdown for six weeks, Sky News understands.

Sky's Ireland correspondent Stephen Murphy called it a "surprise move".
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Master DR, I have no words to describe the gratitude for your work.

I've been following your thread since the first post, and after validating and re-validating the numbers (because I'm also a master of numbers), I decided in January to remodel my whole life to escape the horrible future that awaits the cities.

I used all the credit lines I had, (fuck the banks), invested everything in crypto and physical gold, recovered the investments, spent everything on resources useful for survival, and have lived in the jungle, building a refuge with my own hands. It has been months of a lot of struggle, but it is just what is expected of a family man, who is a man and defends his family.

I quit my job, burned my name at the banks, and I'm called crazy even by my mother. I chose the path of no return. In my country it is said "I burned the caravels". But I'm still sure I did the right thing.

Hundreds of people had access to your work through me. Its reach is not limited to visitors to this forum, nor is it limited to interweb users.

My family and I are very grateful.
His wisdom and work were our compass.


Note: english is not my language.
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Ireland's government is considering going back into a full national lockdown for six weeks, Sky News understands.

Sky's Ireland correspondent Stephen Murphy called it a "surprise move".

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79471260


Ireland - Republic of - full lockdown for 6 weeks, announcement tonight 9pm.
Govt tried to hold out against it, medical authorities -NPHET - won that battle. Ireland has a very shaky public health service at the best of times.
This is emphatically NOT the best of times, case numbers ^ above exponential growth *
Here in UK situation seems utterly chaotic.
Many thanks to DR for so much work. Followed since early Spring.
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Master DR, I have no words to describe the gratitude for your work.

I've been following your thread since the first post, and after validating and re-validating the numbers (because I'm also a master of numbers), I decided in January to remodel my whole life to escape the horrible future that awaits the cities.

I used all the credit lines I had, (fuck the banks), invested everything in crypto and physical gold, recovered the investments, spent everything on resources useful for survival, and have lived in the jungle, building a refuge with my own hands. It has been months of a lot of struggle, but it is just what is expected of a family man, who is a man and defends his family.

I quit my job, burned my name at the banks, and I'm called crazy even by my mother. I chose the path of no return. In my country it is said "I burned the caravels". But I'm still sure I did the right thing.

Hundreds of people had access to your work through me. Its reach is not limited to visitors to this forum, nor is it limited to interweb users.

My family and I are very grateful.
His wisdom and work were our compass.


Note: english is not my language.
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I hope you are not trolling, but if not, you kind of overreacted, albeit I think in the mid term you might be proven to have made a very good decision.
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Ireland's government is considering going back into a full national lockdown for six weeks, Sky News understands.

Sky's Ireland correspondent Stephen Murphy called it a "surprise move".

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79471260


Ireland - Republic of - full lockdown for 6 weeks, announcement tonight 9pm.
Govt tried to hold out against it, medical authorities -NPHET - won that battle. Ireland has a very shaky public health service at the best of times.
This is emphatically NOT the best of times, case numbers ^ above exponential growth *
Here in UK situation seems utterly chaotic.
Many thanks to DR for so much work. Followed since early Spring.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79512947


It's good when knowledge beats politics. However, unless we all agree to a global confinement, one country or each country making this kind of very short term decisions, will only prolong the agony.
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Ireland's government is considering going back into a full national lockdown for six weeks, Sky News understands.

Sky's Ireland correspondent Stephen Murphy called it a "surprise move".

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79471260


Ireland - Republic of - full lockdown for 6 weeks, announcement tonight 9pm.
Govt tried to hold out against it, medical authorities -NPHET - won that battle. Ireland has a very shaky public health service at the best of times.
This is emphatically NOT the best of times, case numbers ^ above exponential growth *
Here in UK situation seems utterly chaotic.
Many thanks to DR for so much work. Followed since early Spring.
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The current lvl 5 proposal in Ireland is a "soft" lvl 5...because schools remain open.


Full lock-down, with schools open? Full lock-down with workplaces open?


It's not even a lock-down.


Calling what Ireland is preparing to do , a full lock-down, is very far from what actually is.
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Ireland's government is considering going back into a full national lockdown for six weeks, Sky News understands.

Sky's Ireland correspondent Stephen Murphy called it a "surprise move".

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79471260


Ireland - Republic of - full lockdown for 6 weeks, announcement tonight 9pm.
Govt tried to hold out against it, medical authorities -NPHET - won that battle. Ireland has a very shaky public health service at the best of times.
This is emphatically NOT the best of times, case numbers ^ above exponential growth *
Here in UK situation seems utterly chaotic.
Many thanks to DR for so much work. Followed since early Spring.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79512947


It's good when knowledge beats politics. However, unless we all agree to a global confinement, one country or each country making this kind of very short term decisions, will only prolong the agony.
 Quoting: Red Hot Chilean Pepe




If there's any level of compliance. Public mood is fugly. Many elderly adopting a 'fuck it' stance. Local radio full of people not going to bother with the various measures. Everyone, from hoaxtards to full doomers, furious with government.

Might be an interesting foreshadowing of how the public,generally, in the West react/respond to second/third lockdowns.
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I am preparing an update for Thursday, with a list of countries in Europe that based on my calculations, lost the control of the epidemic already, or are very close to lose it.


I am also trying to determine if the lock-downs are really off the table, or it's just that Europe is waiting for the U.S. elections results, before deciding in favor or against lock-downs.
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" I am preparing an update ..." stir





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